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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1828-

Waterman's Arms

Closed 1920s

134 High Street (Waterside Pigot's Directory 1832-34)

Dartford

Waterman's Arms

Above photo, date unknown.

 

This was a tied "Fleet Brewery" pub in 1865 when the brewery was put up for auction.

I am informed that the pub closed in the 1920s and was demolished shortly afterwards, however, I do have the name of a licensee in 1930, so that information may be slightly out by a few years.

See Dartford Map 1905.

 

Kentish Gazette, 26 March 1850.

Robert Miller, 16, was indicted for breaking into the bar of the "Waterman’s Arms," at Dartford, where he lived as pot-boy, and stealing therefrom the sum of £4 8s. 10d.

After severe witnesses had been examined, he was acquitted.

 

West Kent Guardian 1 January 1853.

Kentish Gazette, 4 January 1853.

DARTFORD. FATAL FIGHT AT DARTFORD.

On Monday afternoon at one o'clock John Malay, Harry Gibbs, and Joseph Wise, al labourers, at Dartford, were brought before Thomas H. Fleet, Esq., at the office of Mr. Hayward, charged with causing the death of Abraham Aptel, on the night of Friday.

Mary Wise, Wife of Charles Wise, labourer, deposed, I live in Water-lane, Dartford. About 10 minutes before 12 on Friday night I was talking outside my door to my husband's brother (the prisoner Joseph Wise), when some woman came up to us and said, "How about the fight?" I said, "What fight" and she said, "The fight in the marshes." We went out to the marsh, which is near my house, and saw there the prisoners John Maloy and Harry Gibbs, and the deceased Abraham Apted. Maloy and Apted were fighting; presently they fell down, Maloy falling upon Apted. My husband's brother picked up Maloy, and Gibbs picked up Apted. They rested a little while and began squarring and fighting again. Apted kept falling back, and Gibbs held him up and said, "Get up, you receive all the blows and give none." I said, "Pray, Harry, don't let them fight anymore." He replied, "Oh nonsense, they will not hurt each other." Apted then stood up to fight again, and Maloy hit him somewhere in the forepart of the body, I did not see where, when he made a gurgling noise in the throat, and fell backwards and did not move. I turned to Maloy and said, "You villain, you have killed this man, and if anything happens I will appear against you." He said, "I did not strike a blow, and if you say I did I will ring the nose out of your face." Gibbs picked up Apted and shook him, and I said, "Oh my, he is dead." He replied, "Nonsense, he has only fainted." The deceased was then placed on Gibb's back, who took him home play. Dr. Fisher was sent for, and when he came he said he was dead.

Maloy:- Will you swear I hit him when he fell?

Witness:- Yes, you did, but I do not know where.

Maloy:- It is false: I was four feet off from him. And you say he fell on his back, but he fell on his side.

The prisoner Gibbs said:- I went into the "Waterman's Arms," in Water-lane, kept by Mrs. Brice, between 11 and 12 on Friday night, for a pennyworth of gin, when Mrs. Brice asked me to go into the marsh and see how Jem (meaning Maloy) and Aby Apted were getting on, for they had gone into the marsh to fight. I went out, and met Maloy coming out, and saw Apted laying down. Apted called the Maloy back, and said, if I would lift him up he would fight agaion. Jem went back, and I lifted Apted up, and they shook hands, and began to fight again, when Joe Wise and Mrs. Wise came down.

The cause of the quarrel appeared to be that while Maloy was drinking in the "Waterman's Arms," Apted (the deceased) went in, took up Maloy's pot, and drank some of his beer. This gave offence to Maloy, and words arose, which terminated in the fatal occurrancs.
The prisoners were reminded till Tuesday, to wait the coroner's inquest.

Application was made to admit Wise to bail, which was refused.

The prisoners were conveyed by North Kent Railway to Maidstone goal, from whence they will be brought on Thursday.

A mob assembled outside the office threatening vengeance on the woman Wise, and it was necessary to place her under the protection of the police.

 

Southeastern Gazette 4 January 1853.

DARTFORD:— The Late Fatal Affray.

The inquest on the body of the unfortunate man Abdaham Apted who met with an untimely end on Christmas-eve, as stated in our last, was held before C. J. Carttar, Esq. coroner, at the "Waterman’s Arms," Dartford, on Wednesday last.

Mr. W. Fisher, surgeon, Dartford, deposed:— I was called upon to see deceased between two and three o'clock in the morning of Saturday last, and found him quite dead; he had not been dead long. I made a post mortem examination on Sunday last. There were no marks of violence externally. There was a slight disease of the left lung; the stomach was comparatively healthy. I found the brain perfectly healthy, and no marks of violence whatever accounting for his sudden death.

By the Coroner:- I should attribute the cause of death to a sudden shock of the nervous system, producing a collapse. A fright would produce it. I do not find that the man has received any mortal injury. A violent blow on the epigasrtium might cause death without producing any external or internal appearance.

John Robson, of Dartford, coal merchant, was next called to identify deceased, who was about 36 years of age.

Mary Wise, wife of Thomas Wise, of Dartford, labourer, deposed:— I went down into the marsh, with James Wise, my brother-in-law, to see the fight, where I saw Mrs. Gibbs. There were John Maloy, Abraham Apted, and Henry Gibson, who are all in prison. No one else was there. Mrs. Gibbs was crying. I saw Maloy and Aptod fighting blow for blow very severely; in a few minutes they both fell down; Maloy fell on the top of Apted. James Wise took Maloy off, and Gibbs picked up Apted. They held them up to fight again, and made no endeavour to part the men. The men had all been drinking at the "Waterman’s Arms." Maloy then struck Apted somewhere in front, he fell backwards, and made a noise in his throat. I then caught hold of Maloy and said, "You villian, you have killed this man." Maloy said "I have not struck the man a blow." Wise said to Gibbs, "Pick that man up" and he did so and shook him. He was quite cold. Gibbs said he would "brighten up" presently, and he put him down again and went home, and left us there. I was not in the field more than ten minutes.

By the Coroner:— I never drink more than does me good. I heard Maloy challenge Apted in the beer-house to come to the marsh and he would fight him. Maloy "smoothed" him in the face. Apted got up to strike him, but I held him back. That was about half an hour before.

John Collyer, of Dartford, waterman, was in the taproom when Maloy and Apted quarrelled about a pint of beer, and dragged Apted out of the house to prevent them fighting. Soon after that he saw them all in the marsh, when some one said they thought Apted was dead. Witness lifted him up on Gibbs’s shoulders, who took him home.

Maria Gibbs, wife of Henry Gibbs, laborer, of Dartford, one of the prisoners in custody, went into the marsh to look after her husband. Saw Wise standing there; he was doing nothing. Her husband carried Apted home. Did not cry in the field.

James Brice, landlord of the "Waterman’s Arms," deposed that Apted stripped to fight in his house; the other man was not desirous of fighting. They afterwards went to fight in the marsh. They were in witness’s house from 7 to 12.

Sarah Brice, wife of the last witness, deposed that she saw Apted and Maloy struggling together in the tap-room to fight. They went out directly. Before they did so Apted and Maloy said they had no animosity, and they drank together.

David Ovenden, police-constable, proved taking Maloy into custody. He was in bed at the time. Witness told him he was charged with killing a man in a fight. He replied "Me! me! I never hit him." He said he was some distance from him when the man fell. He was slightly under the influence of drink.

Superintendent Thatcher proved taking the other two prisoners into custody, and charged them with aiding and abetting in the fight. Wise said he was on his way home and did not assist in any way. Gibbs refused to answer any question.

Paul Wise, the father of one of the men implicated, here addressed the coroner and said:— Mrs. Wise is not friendly with my son; she deserted him, and took up with John Collyer.

The Coroner said he could not see anything to identify Gibbs with the transaction. He thought there was no chance of conviction upon the testimony before them; the medical man not attributing the death to violence. The man's own excitement might have accelerated his death.

The room being cleared, the jury, after deliberating about half an hour, returned the following verdict, "That the deceased suddenly departed this life, but from what precise cause there is no sufficient evidence before the jury to prove."

The men concerned in the affray, John Maloy, Henry Gibbs, and Joseph Wise, underwent an examination before the magistrates on the following day, and were discharged.

 

Kent Times, 26 April 1862.

DARTFORD. Fatal Accident to a Child.

On Saturday last an inquest was held before C. J. Carttar, Esq., at the "Waterman's Arms," Dartford, on the body of Charles Summers, a child six years old. It appeared that the deceased’s father was in the employ of Mr. Solomon of Joyce Green Farm, and that having no mother he was allowed to run about, and got into a field with another boy, between eleven and twelve years old, who was driving three horses attached to a heavy iron roller. Deceased got upon and fell off the roller, which went over him, killing him on the spot. The jury returned a verdict of "Accidental death;" the coroner and the jury at the same time stating that so young a boy should not have the driving of three horses.

 

Maidstone Journal and Kentish Advertiser 28 February 1895.

DARTFORD. POLICE COURT. SATURDAY.

Thomas Baker, a printer, was charged with stealing a concertina, valued at £2, belonging to David Fenner, landlord of the "Waterman's Arms," Dartford, on the 22nd November.

Prisoner got the concertina from the prosecutor as he said he wanted to go out to earn a few coppers. He was committed to 21 days hard labour.

 

LICENSEE LIST

FINCH George 1828+ Pigot's Directory 1828-29

BAXTER William 1832-41+ (age 43 in 1841Census) Pigot's Directory 1832-34

BRICE James 1851-58+ (age 48 in 1851Census)

SIBLEY S 1862+

SIBLEY (nee WARNER) Mary Elizabeth 1874-82+ (widow age 65 in 1881Census)

HISCOCK George 1891+

JUDGES Thomas Mar/1894+

FENNER/FERRALL David July/1894-95+ Bromley and District Times

ROGERS John 1901-03+ (age 57 in 1901Census) Kelly's 1903

BURVILL Alfred 1913+

FRANCIS Fred Edgar 1918-22+

COX Harry 1930+

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Pigot's Directory 1828-29From the Pigot's Directory 1828-29

Pigot's Directory 1832-34From the Pigot's Directory 1832-33-34

Kelly's 1903From the Kelly's Directory 1903

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Bromley and District TimesBromley and District Times

 

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