6 Royal Hill
Greenwich
I am informed that the pub can be traced back to 1786 when it was called
the "Horse and Groom." It can be traced as far forward as 1881.
Steve Mortimore tells me that the building was pulled down for the new
town hall.
From the Borough of Greenwich Free Press, 18
September, 1858.
On Monday afternoon, Mr. J. C. Carttar, the coroner for West
Kent, opened an inquest at the "Globe Tavern," Royal Hill,
Greenwich, upon the respective bodies of Caroline Isabella Roper,
aged 5 1/2 years, and her sister, Eliza Jane, aged one year and six
months, who were burnt to death at a fire which occurred on Sunday
morning last in the house of their father, Mr. K. Roper, a corn
dealer, carrying on business in the before mentioned thoroughfare.
The inquiry created great interest, and Mr. Hodsoll attended to
watch the case on behalf of the Kent Fire-office, and Inspectors
Marks, Barry, and Wilson, attended to watch the case on behalf of
the Commissioners of Police.
Mr. Roper, the owner of the premises destroyed, having identified
the bodies of the two unfortunate children, proceeded to say that
the deceased and the servant girl slept together in the attic. In
the sitting-room first floor were sleeping his wife, who had been
confined only the previous Thursday, the nurse, and two other
children. He closed shortly before 12 o'clock. His stock consisted
of straw, hay, and clover, which was placed in the ground floor, and
there was some of the same material in the cellar—probably two
loads. The gas had not been put out entirely, since his wife's
confinement, as he thought it was more safe than common rushlights.
The burners used were what are termed "fish tails." The meter was
under the showboard in the shop. On Sunday morning last he was awoke
by an oppressive heat. He jumped out of bed, and found the flooring
quite hot. He then slipped on his drawers for the purpose of running
down stairs to see what was the matter, when he was met by a body of
flames on the stairs. He ran through the fire, and made for the room
whore his wife was sleeping, and he got her out of the room, and
assisted her out of the window. He next tried to get back to save
the baby, but was unable. He spoke to the servant, who was in the
attic, and he imagined that she would have been enabled to save the
two children. After putting his wife out she fell into a cistern of
water, owing to the woodwork giving way. He screamed, and called out
"Fire," and a policeman came up soon after. As the fire had not then
burst forth, he asked the first policeman who came up to lift him
over Mr. Morley’s yard, so that he could get a ladder from his yard,
but he would not, and several others came up, and they only pushed
him about.
By the Coroner:- I entreated the officer to render me assistance
to procure a ladder, but it was no good, and they then commenced
pulling the shutters down, and I begged of them not to do so, as it
would kill the children. I knew the nature of such a proceeding,
that it would cause the fire to spread through the house more
rapidly. In my opinion, it was a manifest error of judgment in
breaking open the shutters and door, and the police ought to have
known better than to have done so as they are instructed to do
better, and if they had not done so there would have been plenty of
time to have rescued the two children. When I entered into my wife’s
room I got scorched, and her bed-gown became ignited.
By a Juror:- I escaped through the next house. Eight or ten
minutes elapsed before the escape arrived.
Priscilla Wheeler said she had been out of bed twice before Mr.
Roper came down to his wife’s room. Mrs. Roper then cried out "Get
up Wheeler, for I know the house is on fire." she escaped in the
manner described by Mr. Roper. She was last down stairs at eleven
o’clock. Her mistress was placed on the lid of the water cistern,
which broke in two, and she fell into the water. She asked the
policeman if he had sent for the escapes, he said he had. She saw
one of the children on the roof, and she saw the escapeman bring a
girl down. There were very few people in the street when the alarm
was given.
By the Coroner:- I never said that I went down stairs at
half-past three o’clock to make some gruel, as I had no occasion to
do so.
Elizabeth Waterfall, servant to Mrs. Roper, said that she went to
bed just before Mr. Roper, who was the last person down stairs. She
slept in the attic with the deceased children. There was another bed
in the room, but as the boy was out it was not occupied.
By the Coroner:- I was awoke by Mr. Roper calling out, and on
opening the door found the fire coming up the stairs. I did not
close the door after I opened it, as I forgot to do so. I knew that
it was impossible for me to save the children. I was taken down the
escape, and received by Mr. Glaisher, one of the jurors. I did not
hear any one about the house after I went to bed. I am 16 next
birthday, I took a lighted rushlight with me to my bed-room, which I
placed on a washhand-basin, but it was not lighted in the shop.
Mrs. Matilda Nash, of 8, Royal-hill (next door to Mr. Roper's),
said, that hearing a noise in the street, and cries of "Murder," she
got up and saw Mr. Roper and the nurse on the tiles. Had it not been
for the services rendered by the police, she must have been
suffocated, like the poor children were. She saw the girl brought
down the escape, and she gave her some clothes to cover her, and she
was taken away by four men.
By the Coroner:— I should say the fire escape arrived in twenty
minutes.
Frederick Haycroft, of the R division, said he was about, twenty
yards of the beat in which the fire occurred, when he heard the
alarm given.
The Coroner:— Just describe which is your beat.
Inspector Marks:— This is against the orders of the Commissioner#
for a police officer to describe his beat.
The Coroner:— I am sure I can legally put such a question, and
the witness is bound to answer me.
The witness then proceeded to state where he was at the time of
the outbreak, and noticed a light in Mr. Roper’s front shop, he went
to the house and saw that the light was over the shop door. He
sprang his rattle, took out his truncheon, and knocked violently at
the street-door and the shutters.
By the Coroner:- It was eight minutes to four when he discovered
the fire. Two police-officers came up, and he sent one for the
escape and one for a ladder. The one who went for the ladder came
back and said that he could not get one. Mr. Roper told him that his
two children were in the house. He told him that he could not get
them out, and that he had sent for the escape. A gentleman went for
the escape, but it did not arrive for twelve or fifteen minutes He
saw the roof fall in half an hour after the escape was brought to
the spot, and after the young woman was brought down.
Ebenezer Hodd, No. 123 of the R division, said that he called
Smart, the conductor of the escape, three times before he answered.
He believed he was asleep at the time, and was not sober.
Smart emphatically denied this accusation, and his evidence was
confirmed by several respectable tradesmen, including Mr. Moore, the
Landlord of the "Globe;" and after an able summing up by the learned
coroner, it was decided to adjourn the inquiry for additional
evidence as to the origin of the calamity.
Great praise is due to Mr. Baldy, bootmaker, of Royal-hill, who,
we believe gave up his bed for Mrs. Roper, and to whose kindness we
may say Mrs. Roper owes her life.
On Monday afternoon, at three o'clock, Mr. J. C. Carttar, coroner
for West Kent, resumed the inquiry at the "Globe Tavern," Greenwich,
into the circumstances attending the deaths of Isabella Caroline,
and Eliza Jane, the infant daughters of Mr. Richard Roper, corn
chandler, of Royal Hill, Greenwich, who were destroyed by a fire,
which consumed the premises of Mr. Roper, early on the morning of
Sunday, the 12th Inst.
After the examination of Mr. Charlesly, a gentleman residing at
26. Circus, Greenwich, who merely proved witnessing the fire, the
coroner and the foreman of the jury somewhat abruptly left the room,
and were absent so long that the remaining jurymen became very
impatient. It appears that in consequence of information received,
the coroner deemed it necessary to confer privately with the police
authorities and Mr. Hodsoll, of the Kent Fire office, and on his
return to the room it soon became apparent that evidence of a
painful nature, and seriously affecting the parents of the deceased
children, would be forthcoming.
The first witness called in connexion with this, painful phase of
the case, was a young man named Robert Morris, who stated that he
had been in the service of Mr. Roper about eight months, and who
endeavoured to parry with the questions put to him by the coroner,
when the latter remarked that he was in possession of the whole of
the information he was now seeking to elicit from the witness, who
had better for his own sake speak the truth, and not endeavour to
screen any person.
In reply to questions from the coroner, the witness then deposed
that on the Saturday previous to the fire, the shop was well filled
with goods, and on that day he brought a quartet of a load of hay,
which was placed in the shop. On Saturday night, witness met the
servant girl in the Circus. She had something with her, but witness
did not see what it was. On the Sunday evening after the fire
witness went out for a walk, and was met by two young men named
Abbott and Cowell, the latter being Mrs. Roper’s brother. They told
witness that they had been looking after-him, and that if he was
asked any questions he was not to know anything.
Eliza Waterfall, a young woman in the service of Mr. Roper, was
then urged by the coroner, for her own sake, to speak the truth; and
in reply to questions, she at first denied having removed property
from the premises previous to the fire. A relative of the witness,
who was present, now begged of her to speak the truth, and the
witness then gave the following evidence:— On the Saturday night
before the fire I went to Deptford by desire of my master, Mr.
Roper. I took a writing desk to the house of Mrs. Cowell, who is
related to my master. The desk was very heavy, and Mr. Roper told me
to cover it up and not let the boy, (the previous witness) know what
it was. I recollect a service of china and a dinner service. They
were removed from Mr. Roper's house to Mrs. Cowell's, two or throe
days before the fire. A tea service was also sent to Mrs, Cowell's.
I carried some of these articles, and others were packed up in large
square boxes, and sent by the previous witness. The articles were
removed constantly from Mr. Roper’s house, during a fortnight
previous to the fire. Mr. Roper told witness, whilst this was going
on, not to say anything to any one about the removal of the goods.
Mrs. Emily Cook, of Deptford, sister to Mr. Roper, was then
examined and stated, in reply to the coroner, that she had remained
in the room and heard a portion of the previous evidence. She then
left the room, and went to the house opposite.
The Coroner:- Who did you see there?
Witness:- I saw Mrs. Cowell, and by brother, Mr. Roper, and his
wife.
The Coroner:- Remember, this is a most important inquiry,
seriously affecting several persons, and before I must ask you what
conversation took place?
Witness:- I have nothing to keep back. I said to my brother, "The
evidence at the inquest is of an unpleasant nature. Come and justify
yourself before your good name is lost."
The Coroner:- What reply did he make?
Witness:- I left to return to this room, and he promised to come,
but did not.
By the Coroner:- I will swear that none of the goods were removed
to my home.
The coroner and jury, at this stage, retired, and it appeared
that on the day following the fire, Mr. Roper, whose stock and
furniture was insured for £300, had sent in a most elaborately
detailed claim to the Kent lire office, setting forth that his loss
amounted to a sum beyond the insurance, and the articles which it
was now proved had been removed from the premises were entered as
items in the claim. It also transpired that a large stock of flour
had been claimed for, beyond the quantity which could have been on
the premises.
On the return of the coroner and jury into court, other evidence
was elicited of a somewhat suspicious nature, and after some remarks
from the learned coroner, it was agreed to adjourn the inquiry, as
several other witnesses were required, including Miss. Cowell, in
whose house the goods referred to were deposited, and for whose
attendance the coroner issued his warrant.
On Tuesday, the inquest was resumed, and after Mr. Roper and
several witnesses were examined, the inquiry was adjourned until
Monday next.
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From The South Eastern Gazette, Tuesday, 21 September, 1858.
The late Fatal Fire.
Yesterday week an inquest was held by Mr. C. J. Carttar, for Kent, at
the "Globe Tavern," Greenwich, on the bodies of Isabella Caroline Roper,
aged five years, and Eliza Jane Roper, aged one year and nine months,
the children of Mr. Richard Roper, corn-merchant, of Royal-hill,
Greenwich, who lost their lives by being burnt to death on Sunday
morning, as reported in the South Eastern Gazette of Tuesday. Upwards of
twenty witnesses were examined. The father of the deceased deposed that
on retiring to rest about twelve o’clock on Saturday night, everything
was safe. Owing to his wife being confined on Thursday, and in order to
avoid the nurse’s carrying a candle through the shop to the back
sitting-room, where he slept, he had kept the gas burning on his shop
counter and also in the sitting-room. He was awoke by the smell of fire,
and on arousing himself and placing his feet on the carpet the heat was
so great he could scarcely stand. He immediately raised an alarm and ran
into his wife’s bedroom, up-stairs. On doing so and opening the door the
flames followed him. He succeeded in getting his wife out of bed, and
getting her on to the roof of the adjoining premises, as also the nurse,
who he thought at the time had the infant with her; but finding this
was not the case, he returned and secured it, and they subsequently made
their escape by a neighbour s front door. He then screamed out to the
servant-girl, who was sleeping with his two children in the front attic,
but it was impossible for him to go through the house to save them. He
was answered by the servant, who afterwards got out on to the roof, and
remained there until taken down by means of the fire-escape. On gaining
the street he endeavoured to obtain a ladder to place against the attic
window, but was unable to do so. At that time there was no fire issuing
from the attic window, and had there been no delay in arriving with the
parish fire-escape, which did not reach the spot until a quarter of an
hour after it was sent for, though the escape station was not five
minutes walk distant, the children could have been saved. The inquest
was adjourned until yesterday (Monday.) |
From the Borough of Greenwich Free Press, 2 October, 1858.
ADJOURNED INQUEST.
On Monday afternoon, Mr. C. J. Carttar, coroner for West Kent,
resumed the inquiry at the "Globe Tavern," Greenwich, relative to
the origin of the fire which consumed the premises of Mr. Richard
Roper, corn-chandler, of Royal Hill, Greenwich, on the morning of
Sunday, the 12th inst. The room was, as on previous occasions,
densely crowded, and Mr. Ingle, solicitor of Hibernia Chambers,
London-bridge, again attended on behalf of Mr. Roper.
Several of the witnesses previously examined were recalled, for the
purpose of cross-examination by Mr. Ingle, with the following
result:—
Mr. George Allwright, appraiser, of Lewisham-road, Greenwich,
repeated his evidence as to making out the claim for £290, upon the
Kent Fire Insurance Company.
By Mr. Ingle:— Mr. Roper was greatly excited on account of the loss
of his children by the fire, and appeared scarcely in a condition to
give me a list of the items to make the inventory. He said that an
inventory made when he effected the insurance, and I then told him
to give me a list, so far as he could recollect, of the property
contained in such inventory, believing the whole of this property
had been consumed. I continued to enter the items until the claim
far exceeded the amount of the insurance, and I then said it was
useless to put down any more, in reply to my questions as to the
value of the stock, he said that he was unable to give the exact
value — it might be £30, or it might be £100, and I then put down
£70.
By the Coroner:— I considered that the inventory made was for
property consumed. I wrote the letter produced to Mr. Roper,
offering to make out his claim, and recommended him not to be to
hasty in stating the amount of his loss. I always give such advice.
I examined the ruins after the fire, in order to find a gold watch,
but was unable to do so. From inspecting the premises, my opinion is
that the fire broke out in the cellar, under the stairs.
Mr. Sitgrave, appraiser, of 28, Leodenhall-street, deposed he was
employed by the Kent Fire-insurance Company to inspect the ruins
after the fire. On examining the claim several items appeared to him
to be very large, especially £155 for wearing apparel, 10 guineas
for a dinner service, &c. He could find no traces of wearing apparel
in the ruins, but believed he must have found the remains, such as
buttons, &c, had such a large stock been on the premises. Owing to
the peculiar circumstances of the case and the loss of the children,
he was not disposed to deal harshly with Mr. Roper, but was
compelled to cut down the claim of £483 to £192. He examined a
wardrobe on the premises, which was not consumed, and found that the
drawers contained a few articles of children’s clothing, but no
clothing or property of value. A claim was made for 14 sacks of
flour, but the lad in the service of Mr. Roper informed him that
there was not more than a sack of flour, on the premises.
Robert Morris, a lad in the service of Mr. Roper, was then
re-examined by Mr. Ingle, and stated that he was sent by his master
to Mr. Denham, corndealer, of Deptford, to request the latter to
attend at Mr. Roper’s house on Tuesday, the 14th inst, as a witness
to an agreement respecting the letting of the business. He (witness)
did not commence removing any article of furniture from his master’s
house until after he had heard that the business was disposed of.
Mr. James Denham, wholesale corn factor, of Deptford, was then
examined by Mr. Ingle, but his evidence was merely relating to
business transactions with Mr. Roper.
Eliza Waterfall, servant to Mr. Roper, after being duly cautioned,
was examined by the Coroner relative to the removal of several silk
dresses belonging to Mrs. Roper, previous to the fire. This witness,
as on previous occasions, parried with the questions — at first
denying all knowledge of the removal of the property, but she
ultimately stated that she saw a large parcel, which was packed for
removal, and which contained silk dresses. She had removed articles
of furniture to Mr. Cowell's house at Deptford, daily, during a
fortnight previous to the fire.
Mr. John Cowell, of Deptford, Mrs. Roper’s father, to whose
residence a large quantity of Mr. Roper's furniture was removed, was
then examined by the Coroner; who remarked that this witness had on
a former occasion so manifestly contradicted himself, and so
evidently kept back the truth, that he (the Coroner) should exercise
his power and proceed against the witness for perjury if he
continued such a course. After this warning the witness reluctantly
admitted that he had taken a parcel containing wearing apparel from
Mr. Roper’s house previous to the fire, and had pawned the property
at Greenwich. He did not exactly know the description of the
property. He gave the ticket and the money to Mr. Roper.
Mrs. Cook, sister to Mr. Roper, now admitted receiving her brother’s
writing-desk and contents.
This desk, which had been sealed by the police authorities, was now
produced, it had been broken open by Mr. Roper, who had stated to
the last witness that he required some of the papers.
The Coroner:— At present there is no charge against Mr. Roper but he
must take any responsibility as to breaking open the desk.
Mr. Ingle:— It was not broken open my advice.
Miss Merton, a lady residing at Plaistow, was then examined by Mr.
Ingle, and deposed that a few days before the fire she called at Mr.
Roper's, and requested him to allow her to take away the children,
on account of Mrs. Roper’s indisposition, but her request was
refused.
Mr. James Seaward, printer, of London-street, Greenwich, was
examined by Mr. Ingle, and proved that a few days previous to the
fire he was informed by Mr. Roper that he had disposed of the
business to a man who had paid him a deposit of two sovereigns.
By a Juryman:— This man has not yet been found.
Mr. Barr and Mr. Randall, pawnbrokers, of Greenwich, produced a
number of articles of female wearing apparel which had been pawned
by the witness Cowell, a few days previous to the fire, the tickets
having been made out in the names of Buchan, and Brown, which names
Cowell admitted giving to the pawnbrokers.
The proceedings were adjourned at a late hour, as several other
witnesses have to be examined.
The inquest was resumed yesterday afternoon, when after Mrs. Roper
had been examined at her father's house, Church-street, Deptford,
the inquiry was adjourned to the Greenwich Hall, when Mr. Gandy, of
Walbrook, City, was examined, and stated while in the Greenwich
train, and conversing about the fire; a person said he was in treaty
with Mr. Roper and had paid him a small deposit. Mr. Allwright was
then examined, and said Mr. Roper only claimed for £290, and not for
£483 as had been stated. After several witnesses had been examined
the inquiry was adjourned until Wednesday next, Mr. Roper was given
into custody on a of charge fraud, and will be examined this day at
the Greenwich Police Court.
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From the Borough of Greenwich Free Press, 9 October, 1858.
ADJOURNED INQUEST.
On Wednesday afternoon, at five o’clock, Mr. C. J. Carttar, coroner
for West Kent, resumed the inquiry at the Literary Institution,
Greenwich, into the origin of the fire which consumed the premises
of Mr. Roper, corn-chandler, Royal-hill, Greenwich, on Sunday, the
12th September, and resulted in the death of Mr. Roper’s infant
daughters, Isabella Caroline, and Eliza Jane.
Mr. F. Scudamore, solicitor, and Mr. C. Lendon, secretary to the
Kent Fire Insurance Company, appeared to watch the proceedings on
the part of the company; and Mr. Ingle, solicitor, of Hibernia
chambers, London bridge, again attended on behalf of Mr. Roper.
The court was, as on former occasions, densely crowded, by
respectable inhabitants of the district, and the following witnesses
were now examined:—
Mr. David Dennant, of South-street, and Mr. Isaac Hurst, of Circus
Villa, Greenwich, gave evidence to the effect that on the Monday
after the fire they were passengers to London by the train which
leaves Greenwich at 11. 45. a.m. Two other gentlemen were in the
same carriage, and a conversation took place respecting the fire.
One of the gentlemen said "I was in treaty with Mr. Roper, for the
purchase of his business, but we could not agree about the price of
the stock."
Mr. Sayers, a cornchandler, residing at Church-street, Greenwich,
was now confronted with the witness, who expressed their belief that
Mr. Sayers, was the gentleman they had referred to.
In reply to the coroner, Mr. Sayers stated that he went to London by
the train named, and remembered a conversation respecting the fire,
when witness stated that he had been in treaty respecting the
purchase of the stock and business.
Other witnesses were examined, and it was evident that Mr. Sayers
was the party referred to.
Cornelius Davis, a painter, employed at Woolwich Arsenal, deposed:-
He is brother-in-law to Mr. Roper On the Friday evening previous to
the fire, witness after leaving his work at the Arsenal, walked to
Greenwich to see Mr. Roper. He had no motive for doing so, except
that he had not been over for some time, and was on good terms with
the family, and fond of the children. Before leaving home Mrs. Roper
asked him to do her a favour, and he said that he had no objection
to do so, and he then consented to take away, and pawn at Woolwich,
a quantity of glass, consisting of decanters, wine-glasses, a water
ewer, &c. He took away the property in a carpet bag, and on the next
day he pawned it at the shop of Mr. Birt, Green’s-end, Woolwich, for
£2. He returned to Greenwich on the following (Saturday) evening,
and gave the money to Mrs. Roper, who told him that her husband knew
nothing of the transaction. He saw Mr. Roper on the same evening,
who said that he had let his shop and business.
By Mr Carpenter (a juryman):- I did not think it was wrong to pawn
the property without the knowledge of Mr. Roper, as they lived on
the best terms together, and I knew she was short of money, and
required it for a good purpose.
Edward Davis, a joiner employed by Messrs. Rolt, and residing at
Railway-grove, New-cross, gave evidence to the effect that a brother
workman named Beard asked his advice relative to taking Mr. Roper’s
business, which he stated he could have for £100. Witness and Beard
walked past the shop to take a glance at the stock and position of
the premises, and witness advised Beard to nave nothing to do with
it.
By the coroner:- Have you not said that you waited outside the shop
whilst Beard went in?
Witness:- No. I advised him not to go in, as it would appear that he
was sweet about taking the business. I am satisfied that Beard paid
no deposit.
By Mr. Ingle:- Beard had been in treaty respecting the business
before we went to look at the shop.
Thomas Beard, of 242, Evelyn-street, Deptford, deposed that he had
known Mr. Roper for some years, and was informed by a young man
named Henry Abbott that Mr. Roper’s business was to let. Abbott
proposed that witness and himself should enter into partnership,
stating that a sum of £200 would be required — £100 to pay for the
goodwill, fixtures, &c., and £100 to purchase stock. Witness said he
would consider the matter, and spoke to the last witness (Davis),
who advised him to have nothing to do with it. Abbott proposed that
they should raise money by means of a loan. Witness, on Wednesday,
the 8th September, received a note from Abbott, whom witness saw on
the same evening, and Abbott then stated that Mr. Roper had let his
business for £130.
Matthew Milestone, a cab driver, of Skelton-street, Greenwich,
deposed:- He returned from London on the night of Saturday, the 11th
September, and arrived at Greenwich about half past twelve o’clock
(four hours before the fire.) He wanted a feed for his horse, and
therefore drove up to Mr. Roper’s shop. He rang the bell, but no
person came, and he could plainly see that the gas was turned full
on. The shop was so light that he could have picked a pin from the
floor had he been inside. He drove away, as he could not arouse any
person.
The coroner:- I am not aware that we have any more witnesses; but if
any person present wishes to give evidence, let him come forward.
By desire of Mr. Ingle, the name of William Layton was then called,
but no answer was given.
Mr. Ingle:- I beg, Mr. Coroner, respectfully to ask for another
adjournment of this inquiry. We have received a letter, dated from
the "Saracen’s Head Inn," Bedford, and signed by a person named
William Layton, who states that he called at Mr. Roper’s shop on the
Tuesday before the fire, and paid two sovereigns deposit to Mr.
Roper, on an agreement to take the business, he also states that he
was unable to complete the purchase on account of the failure of a
friend, who promised to lend him money, and that on reading in the
public papers a report of the proceeding in connection with the
fire, he felt it his duty to make himself known, and was willing to
come forward and give evidence. In consequence of this letter he
(Mr. Ingle) proceeded to Bedford, and ascertained that a man wrote a
letter on Friday last at the "Saracen’s Head," and promised to call
at the same place for a reply. The superintendent of the police at
Bedford had promised to co-operate, with a view to the production of
this witness, and he (Mr. Ingle) asked for an adjournment for this
purpose.
The coroner, having inspected the letter, observed if its contents
were true it was of the utmost importance to Mr. Roper in his
present position, and he would therefore adjourn the inquiry until
Friday, the 15th inst.
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From the Borough of Greenwich Free Press, 23 October, 1858.
THE VERDICT.
The jury deliberated until a quarter past three o'clock on Wednesday
morning, and at that hour many hundreds of persons were anxiously
awaiting the verdict, which was delivered to the coroner by the
foreman of the jury in the following terms:- That the jury find that
Isabella Caroline, and Eliza Jane Roper, on the 12th September,
1858, were burnt to death by fire in the house No. 8, Royal-hill,
Greenwich, which house was burnt down by fire; but how, or by what
means, the said fire originated, there is not sufficient evidence
before the jury to prove. The jury cannot return this verdict
without expressing their decided conviction that the origin of the
fire is involved in great doubt and mystery, and grave suspicions
exist in their minds that the fire did not result from accidental
circumstances, and it is only from the want of strict legal evidence
and proof that the jury feel compelled to return this open verdict.
And the jury is further of opinion that policeman Haycraft, 381 R,
and Smart, the parish fireman, did not exhibit proper activity at
the time of the fire, and that the conduct of Smart ought to be
fully investigated by the parish authorities."
APPEAL ON BEHALF OF THE ROPER FAMILY.
From the date of the occurrence of the fire, 12th of September last,
seven adjournments of the inquiry before the coroner have taken
place; (the last, in the, in the coroner's own words: "in
consequence of some information received which may turn out of
importance to Mr. Roper") and until the day of the trial at the
sessions, nearly two months will have elapsed.
The poor mother with her lingering baby five weeks old, at her grief
burdened breast, and her little lonely boy, whom God’s hand has
preserved from the dreadful fate of his dear sisters, is deprived of
almost every necessary of life, in the heart of that, very country
which prides itself in being the upholder of Christianity — a
bereaved mother utterly destitute, who confiding in God and in the
clear conscience of her husband, said from her torn heart, without
complaining to men, in a meek and low voice, on hearing of his
having been attested:- "O! my God, Thou didst allow my dear children
to be burnt, and now they take HIM TOO from me."
The distressed fattier is in jail; his heart is breaking with the
idea of the probability of his being unable to meet the necessary
expense for a proper defence at a higher court — a penniless man,
guilty or not guilty, little does it differ in the mind of the good
Samaritan, contending against a wealthy association, bound to
prosecute him, and unable to avail himself in order to equalize the
contest, of the means which British Law affords to the wealthy; in
order to alleviate such sufferings as far as pecuniary assistance is
able to do, numbered Subscription Lists have been distributed, and
other numbered Copies may be had, for the present, at Circus Lodge,
Royal Hill, Greenwich. Subscriptions received, will be duly
acknowledged. In the Public Press. Subscriptions opened on October
the 18th, 1858.
At the Greenwich Police-court, on Thursday last, Richard Roper,
corn-dealer, was placed at the bar before Mr. Traill, on a charge of
attempting to defraud the Kent Fire Insurance Company.
Mr. Scudamore observed: He felt it his duty on behalf of the
company, to make an application to the magistrate of a most
important nature as affecting the prisoner. The coroner's Inquest;
as to the origin of the fire, had terminated, and the jury had (at
three o'clock on Wednesday morning) returned an open verdict. After
the coroner had summed up the evidence to the jury information was
given of a most important and extraordinary nature, and it was this
new evidence that he (Mr. Scudamore) intended to produce in that
court, and upon that evidence to ask the magistrate to commit the
prisoned on a charge of arson. He had at present but one witness in
the court, and should be compelled to ask for another adjournment of
the case, as these new facts had suddenly transpired.
Elizabeth Waterfall, Servant to Mr. Roper, who has repeatedly given
evidence at the various inquiries relative to the fire, was then
examined by Mr. Scudamore, and deposed:- On the Saturday night
previous to the fire, my master told me to go out and fetch some
turpentine. (Sensation.) It was about eleven o'clock, and I asked
him how much he wanted. He replied, “Oh, see how they sell it;" and
gave me fivepence or sixpence in coppers, and a large size glass
bottle. He said he wanted it to clean a bookcase. I then went to an
oil and colour shop in London-street, and asked how they sold
turpentine, and the reply was "five pence half a pint." I then
purchased a half pint, and took it to my master. I was served by a
young woman, and they were shutting up the shop when I purchased it.
I had occasionally purchased a pennyworth of turpentine in a small
bottle, but never such a large quantity. My master was never in the
habit of Cleaning furniture.
By Mr. Ingle:- I did not speak of it until last night. My master did
not tell me to purchase a half pint; no one told me last night at
the inquest to make this statement. Am quite sure it was on Saturday
night before the fire, as I removed the desk on that night. it was
my own act and deed to make this statement. I never said that I was
not sure as to the night when I purchased it. At the inquest on
Thursday night I was sent for by the coroner, and, in reply to his
questions, I told him about it.
Mr. Traill:- I suppose it comes to this — the witness made this
statement to another person, who informed the coroner, and the
latter sends for the witness to investigate the matter.
Mr. Carttar, coroner, who was in the court, signified that this was
the case.
By Mr. Ingle:- I did not say a few minutes since, in the yard of
this court, that I did not remember the time. A policeman spoke to
me about the turpentine. I met him outside the court, and said to
him, "I suppose they want to examine me about the turpentine." and
he said, "What about the turpentine; how was it?"
Mr. Ingle:- I may as well inform your worship that a conversation
has been overheard in the yard outside the court, and this witness
was heard to say that she did not remember the time.
Mr. Traill addressing Mr. Mallalieu, superintendent of the R
division of police observed:- I must say that I altogether object to
constables taking upon themselves to converse with witnesses who are
about to give evidence in this court. Now here is a witness whose
evidence is not given in the most intelligible manner, and if she is
suffered to converse with three or four different people on the
point upon which she is to speak, the difficulty is started that she
has given various versions of her story.
After a further examination of the witness by Mr. Ingle, Mr. Traill
stated, as it had been shown to him evidence had transpired-since
the decision of the coroner’s court, he thought he should be
justified in granting the application for an adjournment. He had not
read the whole of the evidence, adduced at the inquest; and if
furnished with the coroner's notes of the depositions, should be
able to form an opinion, whether this additional evidence would
materially affect the evidence before offered, and make out a more
grave charge against the prisoner.
Mr. Scudamore said he would undertake to forward the required
documents to the magistrate, and the prisoner was then remanded
until that day week.
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From the Borough of Greenwich Free Press, 30 October, 1858.
THE FIRE AND LOSS OF LIFE AT ROYAL HILL, GREENWICH.
On Thursday last,. Richard Roper was again brought up before Mn
Traill, on a remanded charge of arson,. Elizabeth Waterfall, deposed
to her purchasing a half-pint of turpentine on the night previous to
the fire, at Mr. Harding’s, London-street, this statement was
corroborated by Miss Maria Harding. The defence to this was that it
was purchased to clean the furniture previous to the removal on the
following Tuesday. After Smart, and Mr. Richard Henderson, of the
London Brigade had given their testimony as to where the fire broke
out, Elizabeth Waterfall was re-examined as to the removal of the
straw in the cellar, and whether she assisted Mr. Roper in its
removal, she first stating that she did, secondly that she was not
certain, and thirdly that she did not know of the straw being
removed in the cellar, but that it was in the shop. Her mode of
giving evidence called forth the censure of the magistrate, Mr.
Ingle exclaiming, "God help the man whose life depends on such a
witness," the magistrate continuing, "God save the prosecutors whose
case depends on such a witness."
Mr. Traill said that looking at the coroner’s inquisition, and the
verdict of the jury in the same light as a proceeding before a grand
jury at the sessions, although that verdict did not ignore the fact
of suspicion in the case, it would have been an unusual thing on his
part to send the case for trial for the serious offence of arson if
no other evidence was before him than that given before the coroner;
but since the coroner’s jury had arrived at a verdict, additional
evidence of a suspicious character had been produced, and it was his
(the magistrate's duty to consider whether, if such additional
evidence had been, produced in the first instance, that verdict
would have been different. Two facts had been brought forward —
viz., the existence of the fire in the cellar, coupled with the
particular position in which the straw found there had been placed,
and the purchasing of turpentine as late certainly as half-past
eleven on the night preceding the fire. The purchasing of the
turpentine had not been sufficiently explained; and although the
fire might have accidentally been occasioned, yet its being traced
to the cellar got rid of one thing in his mind, for it could not
have been supposed that had the shop been set on fire, either by the
prisoner or any other person — and the prisoner a father and husband
of persons living in the house — the person would not have remained
on the premises afterwards, there still remained the question
whether the fire had arisen accidentally or designedly, and looking
at the conduct of the prisoner and the difficulty the prosecution
had had to contend with in the witnesses who had been examined, he
should not be doing his duty were he not to allow the fullest
opportunity of their producing any further evidence, and to bring
the witnesses together who were examined before the coroner when he
should send the whole case for trial. The prisoner would therefore
be again remanded for the longest time allowed by law (eight clear
days), when he would be again brought up.
The prisoner was then removed.
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From the Borough of Greenwich Free Press, 18 December, 1858.
"ROPER DEFENCE FUND."
We hear the following donations towards the "Roper defence fund,"
have been received:
Lord Haddo, £5: W. Angeratein, Esq., £5; Mr. Alderman Salomons £1;
Rev. J. Pulling, £1; Rev. C. F. Money, £1; T. Glenton, Esq., £1; G.
Stevenson, Esq., £1, &c.
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From the Borough of Greenwich Free Press, 5 February, 1859.
Mary Brewin, a young woman, residing at Roan-street, was charged
with stealing a sovereign from William Brown, who deposed that on
the previous afternoon he met the prisoner at Royal-hill, and they
both went to the "Globe Tavern," and called for some gin, which
witness paid for. She then asked witness for a shilling which she
required to complete the purchase of a pair of boots; witness took
some money from his pocket intending to give the shilling, when she
snatched a sovereign from him and walked off; witness pursued her,
and she refusing to give up the money, he gave her into custody.
When apprehended she confessed to the robbery.
Remanded.
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From the Borough of Greenwich Free Press, 13 August, 1859.
Chaise Accident.
On Monday last, as our respected townsman. Mr. Moore, of the "Globe
Tavern" Royal Hill was driving on the Eltham-road, his mare, a very
spirited animal shied at an omnibus passing, and threw Mr. Moore out
on an adjoining bank. Mr. Moore’s collar bone was found to be
broken, but we are happy to say he is fast recovering.
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LICENSEE LIST
MOORE Charles 1826+
MOORE Elizabeth 1832-Feb/48
MOORE James Alfred & MOORE Mary Pearson Feb/1848+
MOORE James & Mary 1852+
MOORE James Alfred 1862-67+
MOORE Mary A 1871+ (widow age 40 in 1871)
BURTON D 1874+
BISHOP Robert 1881+ (age 36 in 1881)
ANDREWS John 1882+
MONK William Henry 1891+ (age 28 in 1891)
CHAPMAN Henry Alfred 1901+
THORP William Owen 1904-05+
NORBURN George Frederick 1908+
HARRIS Walter John 1911+
BEER James 1919+
GORDON Albert 1938+
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From the Pigot's Directory 1832-33-34
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