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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1832-

Rising Sun

Latest ????

88 Rushey Green

Lewisham

Rising Sun 1910

Above postcard, 1910, kindly sent by James Fribbins.

 

Alfred James Norris can be found at his fathers pub in the 1871 and 1881 census, at the Swan, in the market place, Romford, and looking at the licensees list below, I will assume that from between 1901 and at least 1910, both father and son were at this premises, perhaps with a dual license.

 

Project 2014 has been started to try and identify all the pubs that are and have ever been open in Kent. I have just added this pub to that list but your help is definitely needed regarding it's history.

As the information is found or sent to me, including photographs, it will be shown here.

Thanks for your co-operation.

 

West Kent Guardian, 2 January 1841.

GREENWICH POLICE COURT.—Monday.

(Before Mr. Jeremy.)

The Late Highway Robbery at Perry Hill, Sydenham.

This being the day fixed for the re-examination of Smith and Rosser, the two men so strongly suspected of being the parties implicated in the late daring and brutal attack on and robbery of Mr. Doust, the gardener of W. Halfhide, Esq., much interest was excited, it being fully expected that further and more conclusive evidence would be adduced against the prisoners.

Joseph Jackson, Esq., one of the county magistrates, and Mr. Halfhide were on the bench.

Rosser was first placed at the bar he appeared with less confidence than on the former occasion.

Inspector Havard, having stated that though every exertion had been made, none of the property stolen from Mr. Doust had been yet found, added that other witnesses in addition to those already examined were present, whose evidence would materially strengthen the case against Rosser, but nothing further against Smith had been discovered. The Inspector also produced a plan of the locality.

Mr. Doust, whose head was still bandaged, but who, we are happy to say, is convalescent, was first called, and his former deposition read to him by Mr. Ffinch, the clerk, and in addition to what was stated in our last was the following:-

Both prisoners were well known to him, he having employed Smith for four years, and discharged him about a year ago, and had occasionally given employment to Rosser; both knew his (prosecutor's) habits well; they knew also the time he always received his wages, and also when and by what path he went home. He made a stout resistance to the robbery, and caught one of the men by the neck. Neither of them said a word; had the prisoners spoken, he would have known their voices; one had a frock, but not the one he grappled with. Both the stock and the stick he himself picked up, and delivered to the police-constable; he could identify them as the same as now in the former’s possession.

Policeman Kirby’s former evidence was then read over to him, to which may here be added, that on tracking the footmarks he observed that one of the two men had fallen on his two hands and one knee, he could not tell which, and that the left knee of the prisoner was found to be slightly grazed, as if recently.

Prisoner:- That was done with the flints while I was at work the week before.

Witness, re-examined:- Had compared the stake produced with the cut off portion of one at the haystack, they fitted exactly; had found the piece of crape mentioned on the top of a box in the prisoner’s house.

William Gabbitas, a publican of Bromley, (as yet unknown, Paul Skelton) deposed that on Monday morning, the 21st instant, about six o’clock, the prisoner came to his house, and asked for half a pint of gin-hot, in payment for which the prisoner gave him a sovereign. Witness gave him 19s, 8 1/2d. in change. The witness said he knew the prisoner well.

Mr. Jeremy here asked the prisoner how he could account for the possession of the sovereign?

The prisoner answered that he had met a tailor on the tramp, named William Smith, on Bromley-hill, who owed him prisoner, one shilling; that Smith said that if he could give him change of a sovereign, he would pay him; that whilst the latter retired to a field, he, prisoner, went to the public-house, and got the change as mentioned, nineteen shillings of which he returned to Smith.

Witness, re-examined:- When the prisoner came in, he seeing him tender a sovereign chaffed him, saying, stonebreaking must be a good trade to have a sovereign on a Monday morning. Prisoner’s reply was that he had four to take of his employer, Mr. Ledger, that he had token two, and had now been paid all up; the change he gave him was mostly in shillings and sixpences.

Prisoner:- Did I not ask you for the change of a sovereign.

Witness:- Yes; but not before you ordered the drink.

Mr. Horton Ledger, the surveyor’s foreman examined:- The prisoner was occasionally employed by his master to break stones on the road; his earning; when fully employed sometimes might amount to 18s. a week; he was always paid by witness. No such sum as 4 sovereigns was ever allowed by Mr. Horton Ledger to be back. He had paid the prisoner 6s. on Saturday the 19th being the sum due to him up to the previous Tuesday.

Cross-examined by the prisoner:- You had two sovereigns to receive about three weeks ago.

William Shilling, the ostler to the "Black Horse," Rushey Green, deposed to his having engaged the prisoner to assist him in the stable a little before it was dark, and shortly after gave him some bread, cheese, and beer; left him in the tap-room. Witness was principally in front of the house; left it at half-past 6 o'clock, returned at 7, and found the prisoner then at the inn.

Other evidence was given by the witness, but it was not material, lying principally corroborative of the lad Colburn's testimony.

Rosser’s little boy's evidence was next read over to him. He persisted firmly that the stock found by the prosecutor was his father’s.

On the appearance of his child, Rosser was much affected, hung down his head, and resting it on his hand, wept. At the conclusion, as the child was retiring, he said to him in apparent agony, "Tommy, Tommy, you know very well that is not my stock."

The prisoner was then committed, and on being removed, Smith was next placed at the bar, and the depositions affecting him read over. As in our last, owing to our own reporter not being present, an unauthorised report of it was inadvertently given, and which was not only miserably defective in its details, but positively unjust to Inspector Havard in particular, whose exertions in the affair are highly creditable to him, we herewith give it as it ought then to have been given:—

Between 6 and 7 on Saturday evening. I received information of the robbery. I immediately proceeded to the residence of Mr. Doust. from whom I received a stock and the stake now produced; the latter I gave to Police constable 86, the former I put in my pocket. I then went towards Sydenham in pursuit of the parties concerned in the outrage, and returned home unsuccessful. On the following morning I received further information that David Smith was one of the parties suspected, and observing him to pass opposite the station-house, sent a police constable to bring him over, and on asking him where he was on Saturday night, he replied, that he came up to Rushey Green from Southend, between 4 and 5 o’clock, in company with a man named Barkway, a hay-binder, whom he left at Rushey Green. He then said he went down Lewisham for the purpose of going to see a man named Hornewood, to whom he said he had sold his donkey; that he went so far as the "Rising Sun," Lewisham, and then met a man who told him that Homewood was not at home, and consequently he did not go any further, but returned home immediately. On asking him how much money he had, he said only a few halfpence; I then requested him to pull them out of his pocket, which he did, amounting to 8 1/2d., and on questioning him as to whether it was all he answered, no, he had half a sovereign which he pulled out of his pocket, wrapped up in a piece of paper, and added first that he had earned it, but next said that he had given change for it to a man at Bromley in the street, but he did not know the man. He afterwards altered this story to one he pledged his coat and waistcoat for 10s. on Tuesday, out of which he gave his wife two or three shillings, and purchased herrings, nuts, and apples, with the remainder, which he had been selling during the week. His shoes were then pulled off, and witness went to the spot where the robbery took place, and across the fields made several marks in the snow, by the side of the marks already there, and had no hesitation in swearing that they exactly corresponded, there being six rows of nails in the soles of their shoes, a whole plate on the toe of one shoe, and half a plate on the other, the right foot, the indentations from which were clear; there were eight nails also in the heels of the shoes, which exactly corresponded; traced the same footsteps from the spot where the robbery took place to the Southend road, and within 250 yards of the residence of the prisoner. On searching the prisoner’s house, witness found the bill-hook or chopper now produced, and from the appearance of the cut on the edge of the stake and the notches on the edge of the bill-hook, he had no doubt that the stoke had been cut with it, and a quantity of nuts and apples to the value of 2s.

The additional evidence this day adduced against the prisoner was the production of a piece of waste paper found upon his person, and identified by Mr. Doust, as having been in his possession at the time of the robbery.

The prisoner was then committed, but remanded as well as Rosser to Maidstone for a fortnight; when they will be taken to the Central Criminal Court for trial.

 

Confession Of The Prisoner Thomas Rosser.

About a month ago Smith came to me when I was at work at Bromley, and said he wanted some money, and said he knowed of a chance. That Dowst, the gardener, in coming home on Saturday night had always 33s. or 34s. with him besides a watch. He knew what time Dowst came down the lane, and wanted me to go with him. I said perhaps I might, but I went another road to miss him. I saw him on the Monday following, and he asked me how it was I did not come? I said I worked too late. He then said he would meet me on the following Saturday night. I said I should see him again before then. I saw him in the middle of the week, and he said Will you go with me next Saturday night? I said, You meet me by Southend somewhere, which I did not. When I saw him again, he said. You are not a man of your word. I told him it was so light I was afraid of being found out. Then I do not think I saw him for a week afterwards. When I again saw him, he said, It will be darker next Saturday night, will you go? I said I did not expect I should be in work, and I should see him about somewhere. On the Saturday it was done, he was going to London in the morning. He said, I shall see you when I come back. When he came from London he said I shall see you by and by. He came down to the "Black Horse," and went in and lighted his pipe. He came out again, and he said Come on, and let us go, and he then went up the walk opposite the "Black Horse," and I followed him. In going across the fields, he took his bill-hook out and cut the stick from off the side of the haystack. We both went across into the lane, and Smith said we had better go further down the lane, as it would be darker. Then two men came along, and Smith said That isn't him. After they had passed, Smith said he would knock him down, and Smith gave him his apron to put in his mouth, and Smith said he would take his watch and money. Presently the gardener came along, and Smith said. Here he comes! Smith then went into the road, and knocked him down with a stake, and he took what he had and gave a cough as much as to say come on. He said he owed him a grudge for a long time, and said, I don’t care if I have killed him. I said, O, God forbid it should be like that! I said, I wish I had not come now. He gave me the watch and sovereign to hide up, which I did, and he said, I will see you another day. I hid the watch in the stable the same night, and kept the sovereign in my pocket, as Smith said I was to change it and give him half. The keys and the bag were thrown into the stream by Smith. Then we came out at the gate into Southend-road, and I bid him good night, and Smith said he should slip home and sell his nuts, to which I made no answer, but bid him good night; and if it was not for Smith I should not have been led into it. Smith said, I know it is a good watch, for he has not long had it. I changed the sovereign at Bromley on Monday morning. I did not see Smith afterwards until he was in custody.

(Signed) Thomas Rosser.

The prisoners were then removed to their cells previous to their final committal.

 

 

LICENSEE LIST

STILLWELL Stephen 1832+ Pigot's Directory 1832-34

ANDREWS Josiah 1841-62 (age  55 in 1861Census)

SWAN W 1867+

GAMON Richard Benjamin 1871-82+ (age 43 in 1881Census)

TAYLOR Enoch 1891+ (age 33 in 1891Census)

LEVY Emanuel 1896+

NORRIS Alfred James 1901-44+ (age 32 in 1901Census)

NORRIS Alfred James 1901-10+ (age 84 in 1901Census)

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