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Sort file:- Chatham, August, 2024.

Page Updated:- Monday, 26 August, 2024.

PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1799

Lord Duncan

Closed 1974

59 New Road ' Gibraltar Place

Chatham

Lord Duncan

Above photo, date unknown.

Lord Duncan 1910

Above photo, 1910.

Lord Duncan 2010

Above photo 2010 by N Chadwick Creative Commons Licence.

 

Built in 1799 the Licensing Records of 1872 stated the premised held a Full License and was owned by Edward Winch of Chatham.

The 1874 directory gave the address as Duncan Terrace and the 1891 census the address as 59 Duncan Place.

The premises was still serving beer in the late 1960s but was said to be boarded up a few years later, as yet date unknown.

The building gained a Grade 2 listing on 11 September 1974 and was built in the late eighteenth or early nineteenth century, named after Admiral Duncan who defeated the Dutch off Camperdown and Egmont in 1795. Now derelict (DoNH 1996, 43).

On 10th February 2020 the premises was finally put up for auction by Clive Emerson Estate Agents. https://youtu.be/NbHgzZreByY Shown below are some of the photos of the premises before the auction.

Lord Duncan 2020

Above photo 2020.

Lord Duncan bar 2020

Bar area 2020.

Lord Duncan inside 2020

Inside 2020.

Lord Duncan inside 2020

Inside 2020. Kindly sent by Frank Simpson.

Lord Duncan inside 2020

Inside 2020. Kindly sent by Frank Simpson.

 

South Eastern Gazette, 18 December, 1860.

Conviction of a Publican for Sunday Trading.

Yesterday Mr. Matthew Geere, landlord of the "Lord Duncan public-house, Gibraltar-place, was charged before the county magistrates with having his house open for the sale of liquors at improper hours. Two police-constables proved visiting the house, between 10 and 12 on Sunday, and finding six men there, and eight others leaving at the back entrance. Mr. Stephenson, who appeared for the defendant, endeavoured to show that the parties were there against the express orders of the landlord. Supt. Everist, in reply to the magistrates, said the defendant's house was generally one of the best conducted in Chatham. In consideration of this being the defendant's second offence the magistrates fined him £2 and costs.

Mr. W. Melton, landlord of the "Malt-shovel" and "Hasting’s Arms," Grange, was also charged with a similar offence, twelve men having been found in the tap-room, all drinking. In this case defendant was fined 10s. and 10s. costs.

 

From the https://www.kentonline.co.uk By Katie May Nelson, 18 July 2022.

Battle to convert Lord Duncan pub in New Road, Chatham.

A developer looking to convert a historic pub into a House of Multiple Occupancy (HMO) says planning red tape means the building is rotting away and costing him thousands.

Medway Council is taking a the government Planning Inspector who allowed plans to redevelop the long-empty Lord Duncan pub in Chatham to court after officers rejected the plans.

The former boozer in New Road has been vacant since 1974 and is Grade-II listed.

James Mills, who runs Maidstone-based CKE Homes Ltd, purchased the property in March 2020 with a view to turning it into a 10-bed HMO with two kitchens and a laundry room.

Permission was initially refused by the council in April 2021.

Officers believed internal and external alterations had already been made without planning consent, however, according to a report presented to the authority's planning committee, Mr Mills told them he found it had been stripped of all internal finishes upon purchase.

The council's planning department concluded the internal alterations would be "unsympathetic and unnecessarily harmful to the significance of the listed building".

The authority had also issued an enforcement notice. The planning permission refusal was overturned by a planning inspector.

Lord Duncan 2022

The long empty Lord Duncan pub in Chatham (57991035)

The council then sought a judicial review to challenge their decision, which is due to happen in December.

A judicial review happens when the lawfulness of a public authority is challenged.

Permission was granted by the inspector in November which gives Mr Mills until May 2023 to complete the work before planning permission runs out.

But doing any work in the meantime could prove costly in the long run, as Mr Mills explained.

He said: "We can't do any work on the property really because if we did and it was overturned, it's all got to be ripped out and put to how it was originally.

"My biggest concern is how much Medway Council is paying of taxpayers' money on it.

"Since the first planning application I've spent over £90,000.

"My issue is that if I win, I still don't get any costs back and if I lose, I have to pay Medway Council.

Listed Building Enforcement Notices allow councils to compel a developer to bring the building to its former state.

He added: "I haven't had a delay on it, the clock is still running. The hearing will be December 6, we won't get an answer on the day we are probably looking at February time.

"I then have four months for complete refurbishment, including structural works, re-tiling the roof, re-cladding the building, rebuilding the rear wall, everything.

Lord Duncan 2022

The long empty Lord Duncan pub in Chatham (57991038)

I have got to do all of that in four months which is impossible. Their concern was there was too much structural work changing what was inside the listed building and the format of it.

"They are basically forcing me to not do any work. They are not allowing me to start a single piece of work. Every time it rains, the roof takes in water.

"The building gets more and more rotten every time it rains and takes in water.

"It's a little bit embarrassing for me because everyone that knows me, knows that when I buy something, it happens immediately.

"If I was allowed to work on this, it would have been decorated now and people could move in in two weeks time.

"By the time anything could happen, I would imagine it will be this time next year."

Medway Council said it was unable to comment further as the case was pending.

It is believed to have been built during the late 1700s and was named after Admiral Duncan of the Royal Navy.

He led a force which defeated the Dutch fleet off Camperdown and Egmont in 1795.

 

Lord Duncan 2024

Above photo, 2024.

 

LICENSEE LIST

HOBBS Peter 1828-40+ Pigot's Directory 1828-29Pigot's Directory 1832-34Wright's Topography 1838

GEERE Matthew 1851-60+ (age 40 in 1851Census)

WOODFORD William 1862+

GROVES William 1872-82+ (age 56 in 1881Census) Licensing Records 1872

HICKMOTT John Henry 1891+

ISAACS Sydney 1891+ (age 33 in 1891Census)

WOOD William 1901-03+ (age 36 in 1901Census) Kelly's 1903

CARTER Levi James 1913-22+

PARROTT Albert E 1930+

REID John Clark 1938+

https://pubwiki.co.uk/LordDuncan.shtml

http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/lordduncan.html

 

Pigot's Directory 1828-29From the Pigot's Directory 1828-29

Pigot's Directory 1832-34From the Pigot's Directory 1832-33-34

Kelly's 1903From the Kelly's Directory 1903

Wright's Topography 1838Wright's Topography 1838

Licensing Records 1872Licensing Records 1872

CensusCensus

 

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