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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1841-

Woodman

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Whitley Row (Ashen Cross in 1851Census)

Goathurst Common

Ide Hill

01732 750296

https://www.thewoodman-idehill.co.uk/

https://whatpub.com/woodman

Wood man 2015

Above photo, 2015, by Paul Bailey.

Woodman 2016

Above photo, 2016.

Woodman sign 2007

Above sign 2007.

 

The "Woodman" is one of Ide Hill's original ale houses, and parts of the premises go back to the early 1800s.

I have also seen this addressed as at Chevening.

Found as early as 1841 where the Miles family appear to be running he pub. The census shows both Thomas Miles as the Inn Keeper whilst his son age just 15 is described as the Beer Seller.

The 1851 census show Thomas Miles to also be a Fruiterer addressed as Shrubs Corner.

Owned by Green King, the pub was renovated in 2015 and as of 2017 was being advertised as under offer with an entry cost of 29,050, but annual rent of 52,000.

 

Maidstone Telegraph, Rochester and Chatham Gazette, Saturday 6th October 1860.

Sevenoaks. Petty sessions.

George Shrubb, labourer, was charged with assaulting George Longley, at Chevening, on 22nd September, at the "Woodman" public house.

There been no witnesses beyond themselves on either side, the case was adjourned.

 

"The day of the Jackal - Shot at Sevenoaks, 1st March 1905.

Woodman Jackal 1905

This animal, which is a fine specimen of a male Jackal, about 5 years old, infested the neighbourhood of Sevenoaks for some weeks, during which time it evaded capture and did great damage to the flocks and game in the neighbourhood. On Wednesday 1st March, a hunt was organised and the animal was eventually shot by Mr. Willis near "The Woodman," Sevenoaks. The Hunting party consisted of about 50 guns and 70 beaters. It has been stuffed by Mr Hutchinson, Naturalist of Derby, at whose premises this photograph was specially taken, by Essenhigh, Corke & Co. It is now in the possession of Mr Pocock, Cold Harbour, Montreal Park, Head Keeper to the Rt. Hon. Earl Amherst, on whose estate it was killed..."

 

Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser, Friday 11 March 1938.

THREE FEET LONG BADGER KILLED AT IDE HILL.

Strolling in the rocks behind the "Woodman," Ide Hill, on Friday Last, Mr. A. Cowlard saw his dog attack a badger and engage him in a fierce fight.

He intervened and killed the badger, which was afterwards found to be three feet long and two stone in weight.

 

Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser 20 January 1950.

"AT THE "PUB"

WATER FOR CATTLE BUT NONE FOR COTTAGERS.

A "pub" whose brewers have sometimes to send them barrels of water because they have none.

A mother with an 8-month-old baby who has to carry water 300 yards or so from a roadside standpipe.

A deputation from Sundridge Parish Council will tell Sevenoaks R.D.C. about these things when it urges the need for a piped water supply to struggling parts of the parish.

A "Chronicle" reporter this week heard bitter comments from Ide Hill residents who are among those most affected.

At Hanging Bank 11 households find that living in a position of entrancing natural beauty is inadequate elementary comforts and a flush lavatory.

In her electrically lit cottage, Mrs. B. A. Cowland has a sink and other fittings ready to use, but apart from a small rain-water tank at the front door her water must come from the standpipe more than 400 paces away.

Small wonder then, that Mrs. Cowlard's first comment when told that the Parish Council were trying to come to her rescue was to exclaim "Jolly good show."

Mrs Cowland

This is where the occupants of eleven cottages at Hanging bank have to go for water. Mrs. Cowland, seen drawing a supply, has to carry the bucket 400 paces back to her home.

DOCTOR WOULDN'T COME.

"The doctor simply refused to come here when baby was born," she said, turning to her eight-month-old son "You must have water for a young baby, and my husband just can’t carry all I need before he goes to work."

When Mrs. Cowlard returned from hospital with her infant last May it was not long before she was under the doctor again. "He definitely put my troubles down to carrying water." she said.

"What makes me so angry," she went on, looking down at the green valley beneath, "is that all those fields have been piped with water for cattle.

"Cows can be moved to find water—but you can’t move houses, and here are we forced to cart ours like beasts of burden whilst the animals have it laid on—I believe by the authorities."

Mr. D. Lynch is the lucky member of the little community at Hanging Bank, for he has a deep water well. Disgusted by the failure to extend the mains, he recently installed a pump to draw from the well, and is now indignantly independent."

He still has to economise, however, and was cleaning his car with the aid of half a bucket of water and a brush when our reporter saw him.

"What annoys me," said Mr. Lynch, who also had some incisive remarks about animals coming before humans." Is that the District Council seem to expect us to pay for the whole "shoot.''

"When it was first announced that Government grants would be available for rural water extensions I urged that an application should be made on our behalf at once, but this was not done, apparently because it would not pay. It would cost several hundred pounds to install and the resulting water rate would bring in very little.

"I should have thought the whole point of grants was to meet such cases."

AT THE "PUB"

Near Mackrells Plain on the Sevenoaks side of Ide Hill lies the “Woodman," a delightful country pub as smart as a new pin.

Here Mr. W. Searles, who had moved in only the previous day, told of inspecting invoices with his predecessor which showed that the brewers had had to supply barrels of water when none was left.

Mr. Searles, who said he believed the cost of laying on water was considered prohibitive, said:- "I have a rotary pump and the lovely soft water is a delight, but in a business of this kind main water is really essential, especially when there is any chance of running out."

At Beech Grove, on Back Lane— which leads down towards Bessels Green. Mr E. J. Dannlels opened up a well-protected underground tank almost full of rain water. "I’m luckier than a good many." he said, "for a lot of people have only small surface tanks to store water in."

Standing at his back door, Mr. Danmels told of the better part of a dozen families nearby who rely upon rain water. These are not isolated homes, far across the fields, but in most cases front, like the "Woodman" and Beech Grove, upon well-used, metalled roads.

Nor do they exhaust the tale of waterless homes, for, as was stated at the Council meeting, there is yet another "dry" colony near Sundridge Hospital "within a stone's throw" of the main, as a councillor pointed out.

The Parish Council's deputation should not be short of material.

 

From http://www.kentlive.news  19 March, 2009.

Pub threatened by huge rate hike.

SHOCKED: Manager of the Woodman, in Goathurst Common, Heinz Klose, who is facing a 280 per cent rise in business rates, with some of his staff.

A LANDLORD'S pub is threatened with closure after being hit with a whopping 280 per cent tax hike.

Heinz Klose, who runs the Woodman pub, in Goathurst Common near Ide Hill, was shocked to receive his bill for business rates on Saturday, which showed the cost will soar from 8,000 to 27,400.

The increase will mean his monthly payments to Sevenoaks District Council, which collects the tax, will jump from 799 to 2,740 from the start of April.

Mr Klose said: "Something like this is enough to close us down. Eighteen people will be without a job."

He said the increase in business rates, on top of domestic rate payments on his own flat above the pub and staff accommodation, will leave him with a bill of around 32,000 for local amenities.

He said: "To me the major issue is what do I get for 32,000 a year? The answer is simple – nothing. We haven't called the police in years, I pay to have a contractor remove the rubbish."

Mr Klose said he had checked the likely business rates bill when he looked into taking over the lease on the pub in July 2006 and found it was around 7,000.

He said: "Based on that we thought 'because it's a viable business, ok we'll take the lease'." The huge tax rise came about because the pub was re-rated, based on its rental value and trading potential, by the Government's Valuation Office Agency in 2005.

For the past four years, it has benefited from rate relief, aimed at gradually bringing in increases but this has now ended, leaving the pub facing a huge bill.

District council spokesman Steve Mandaluff said the council collects business rates on behalf of central Government and does not keep any of the cash.

A Department for Communities and Local Government spokeswoman said: "Business rate revaluations are held every five years, after which transitional relief is applied to business rate bills, to phase in any larger increases over a period of up to five years.

"Businesses will next year be in the final, fifth year of the rating list and, in some cases, rate payers will not have been required to pay their full rates liability until then."

She said the Government recognised the problems businesses are facing and was offering support such free business health checks and skills training to support them.

The Confederation of British Industry is calling on the Government to freeze business rates for two years, to help businesses through the current recession.

 

LICENSEE LIST

MILES William 1841+ (Beer Seller age 15 yes 15 in 1841Census)

MILES Thomas 1841-81+ (Inn Keeper age 81 in 1881Census)

MARCHANT William 1851-61+ (also grocer age 62 in 1861Census)?

RYE William 1891-11+ (age 70 in 1911Census) Kelly's 1903

SEARLES Mr W 1950+

KLOSE Heinz July/2006/09+

 

Kelly's 1903From the Kelly's Directory 1903

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