22 Erith Street
and 45 George Street
Chapel Hill
Dover
Above photo, date unknown. |
Above photo date unknown, showing a day trip from the pub. |
Above photo 16 April 1949, showing Phoebe, Arthur Seymour and Arthur
Clifford Moody, kindly sent by Jane Stafford. |
Above photo, date unknown showing Ron Green (left) and Tommy Murton
(right) presenting a trophy of the "Stirrers Club" to man centre, name
unknown. |
Another with like sign was once the property of Kingsford
(click here) but there is evidence also, of another in the 1860's, in Adrian Street or
Adrian Row (click here). The Erith Street is dated 1839
and the earliest account of the pub found so far is from 1841.
From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General
Advertiser, Saturday 27 February, 1841. Price 5d.
CORONER'S INQUEST
An inquest was held on Tuesday last, at the "Green Man" beer-shop,
Buckland, before G. T. Thompson, Esq. the Borough Coroner, to enquire
into the cause of death of a child belonging to a poor man named Griggs,
a bricklayer.
From the depositions of the witnesses, it appeared that the deceased,
who was about nine years of age, was left at home with an elder sister,
about eleven o'clock on Monday last, while their mother came down to
Dover. The elder sister was engaged in the washhouse, and, as is
supposed, the deceased employed herself in putting some sticks on the
fire when her clothes became ignited. She then ran screaming into the
street, which, with the barking of some dogs, alarmed the neighbours,
who ran and wrapped a carpet round her, and succeeded in extinguishing
the flames ; but not till she had been burned in a most dreadful manner.
A surgeon was immediately sent for, but the fire had taken so great an
effect upon her frame, that she died in the most excruciating pain at
about half-past ten o'clock that evening.
Verdict - "Accidental death."
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South Eastern Gazette, 8 May, 1860.
Case of Wife Beating.
At the police court on Wednesday last, John Jenkins, labourer, was
charged with assaulting his wife, Maria Jenkins, on the previous
Monday night. They resided in Erith-street, Buckland, and happening
to be together at the "Green Man" public-house, on the night in
question, she had a glass of beer, but refused to drink with her
husband, who asked her to do so. He said that she took her glass
with another man, but this she denied. When they left the
public-house and were going home, he knocked her down in the road,
and struck her in the mouth after she was down, knocking three of
her teeth out and severely injuring her jaw. The husband admitted
that he had struck her, but pleaded that he had been "greatly
aggravated."
The Bench sentenced him to one month’s hard labour.
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South Eastern Gazette, 24 July, 1860.
DEATH.
On the 17th inst., at Buckland, Dover, Mr. William Pay, of the
"Green Man Inn," aged 62.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 3
January, 1863.
DASTARDLY ASSAULT
John Revell was charged with assaulting Emma Fagg, a married woman,
at the "Green Man" public house, Buckland, on the day following
Christmas Day. It appeared hat the parties were merry-making at the
public-house in question on the day named, the complainant being in the
company of her husband, when the defendant, in the absence of Mr. Fagg,
caught hold of Mrs. F. in too amorous a manner. She threatened to
scratch his face, if he did it again, but the defendant disregarded this
warning, and ultimately was, as Mrs. F. Herself stated, slightly brushed
across the face with her hand. He thereupon addresses her in foul terms
and struck her in the face, leaving marks upon her eyes which were still
visible. Witnesses were called, and the Magistrates decided that the
assault, which they considered a very dastardly one, was proved.
Defendant was fined £1, including costs, which he paid.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 12 April, 1872. Price 1d.
STEALING FOWL AT RIVER
George Stanwood, labourer, was indicted for stealing seven fowls,
belonging to Filmer Phipps, at River, near Dover, on the 24th March.
Mr. Marsham, who prosecuted, said prisoner was seen lurking about the
premises near the hen roost, and he also took a fowl into a public house
in payment of some money which he owed the landlady.
Stephen Hobbs, waggoner, living at Mr. Phipp's Old Park, River, said
that on Saturday the 23rd he left the hen roost at ten, and next morning
he found the roost had been broken open and seven or eight of the fowls
were gone. They were all safe when he fed them at five o'clock on
Saturday. The fowl produced was the only one of the sort which he had.
He was prisoner on the 22nd March, near the hen roost.
By Prisoner: Did not know it was a public thoroughfare through the Park.
It was not Thursday but Friday when he saw prisoner.
Elizer, wife of John Pelham, landlord, of the “Green Man,” Buckland,
said prisoner came to her house on the 25th March and asked for four
penny worth of food, and he said he would give a fowl which he had, in
payment of this and previous debt of 9½d. he asked her to allow him 4d.
as well. She did receive the fowl.
A woman named Mitchell deposed to receiving the fowl from Mrs. Pelham.
Police Constable Foster went after the prisoner on the 25th, and on
finding the fowl in Mrs. Mitchell's possession he took the prisoner in
custody. He found the knife produced in the roost, which had been broken
open.
Police Sergeant Bevan went with the last witness, and on charging the
prisoner he said he knew nothing. When he went to prisoner's house on a
previous occasion he noticed a knife in a hamper similar to the one
produced.
The Jury returned a verdict of guilty, and having been previously
convicted in 1862, and at other times, he was sentenced to seven years'
penal servitude, and three years' Police supervision.
The Court then adjourned.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 28 July, 1876. Price 1d.
ENDORSING A LICENSE
John Pelham was charged with having his house open for the sale of
liquor during prohibited hours at the “Green Man,” Buckland. Isaac
Gilley was charged with being on the premises.
The case having been proved, the bench fined the landlord £1 12s. 6d.,
and endorsed his license, and the man Gilley was fined 12s. 6d.,
including costs.
Mr. Worsfold Mowll appealed to the Bench to withdraw their decision as
to endorsing the license, as the owners of the house intended to part
with his tenant at once.
The Bench said they could not alter their decision.
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Dover Express, Friday 9 June 1950.
The Green Man raid. Manager and customers in court.
Policeman peep through curtains.
In the bar of the "Green Man" public house, in Erith Street, nine people
sat laughing and talking. Four of them were drinking, and a number of
empty and near empty glasses stood around on the counter and window
ledges.
A pleasant enough scene in any bar on any night, particularly in Dover,
where, according to the statisticians "there isn't the money about" and
licensees have to pump hard and long to pay their increased rates.
On this particular night, however, that of Saturday, April 29th, and at
that particular time, approximately 11:30 p.m., it was not the sort of
scene on which two police officers expected to focus their eyes as they
peeped through a gap in the curtains.
As a results, the four people who were seen to be drinking, appeared
before Dover magistrates on Friday charged was consuming intoxicating
liquor in other than permitted hours. Fines of 30s., with 10s. costs,
were imposed on Frank Thomas Luke Booth (24), of 200, Union Road; James
Thomas Brice, (53), fishmonger, 38, East Cliff; Jessie May Harris (40),
fishmonger, 1, Last Lane, and Riley Keats (24), labourer, 13, Tower
Hill. The manager, Arthur Clifford Moody (34), who has since had to
vacate the premises, and who was summoned for aiding and abetting the
first four defendants, was fined £5, with costs of £2 2s.
Everyone pleaded not guilty, including Moody and Harris, who were
represented by Mr. P. A. G. Aldington. Mr. G. W. Hardman conducted the
prosecution.
Sergeant W. E. Court told how he saw lights coming from the "Green Man"
while on duty in George Street with Inspector Haydon. There was a 3 inch
gap in the curtains over the corner of the window, so they went up to it
and looked in. In the bar there were 9 people talking together. Facing
the window from the far end was Harris holding a half pint glass of
beer, from which he drank, while seated beside her was a woman in a
green coat and Brice. At the counter stood Keates and Booth, both
drinking from pint glasses. After keeping watch for about 5-minutes
Inspector Hayden went round to the door and entered the bar from the far
end, and witness joint in. None of the people in the bar had moved, and
he started taking their names and addresses. As he did so, Moody called
out, "There's no beer about, what are you going to do?" so Inspector
Haydon showed him a pint glass three quarters full of beer, one
containing stout, and one empty. Brice took a drink from a pint glass,
said the Sergeant, and the following conversation ensued:-
Sergeant Court:- What is in that glass?
Brice:- A.B.
Sergeant Court:- And what is A.B.?
Brice:- Ale and Beer.
There were a number of glasses on the counter, continued the sergeant,
and five persons who were not seen to commit any offence were allowed to
go.
Remarks by one of the defendants included:-
Harris:- "I was waiting for a taxi"
Keates:- "We never had any intoxicating liquor."
Brice:- "There it is, we were all being caught, you can wangle it."
Moody:- "O.K., well I plead not guilty."
Moody also asked him if he could have the names and addresses of the
people who are allowed to leave but this was refused. At midnight,
concluded the Sergeant, a taxi arrived.
Corroborative evidence was given by Inspector H. Haydon, who said that
as he went through the door of the bar Moody looked out from inside and
tried to close it before witness forced it open, walked past the curtain
and into the bar. Following a question by the Chairman (Mr. D. Bradley)
about "the geography of the place," a Police-drawn diagram of the bar,
showing such obstacles as "pint glass, half full of beer" which the
officers had had to negotiate, was handed in for members of the Bench
the study.
Giving evidence on his own behalf, Moody, now living at 62, Union Road,
and working as a minor at Snowdown Colliery, said he called "Time" at
10:30 p.m., and got most of the customers out of the house by 10:40. The
only people left behind were a few who were waiting for taxis. He
collected up the empty glasses and spent 10 minutes straining the beer
back into the barrels before going out to take his dog for a run. When
he got back shortly after 11 p.m. he saw no one with drink, and saw no
one drinking. He maintained that when the Inspector came into the bar it
was more like 11:10, and not half past.
Booth, who had been said by the others to have been drinking from a pint
glass, said he never drank more than a half pint of anything at any
time, and in any case he was only talking.
Keates on oath, put forward a similar defence, and said he only drank
brown ales in half pints, and on that evening he was only talking to
Harris.
Asked by Mr. Harden and if he knew the difference between half pints and
pints, Keates exclaimed vigorously. "I hope so sir!"
After a retirement, the Chairman announce that the Bench had decided the
prosecution's case was proved.
On Mr. Aldington's application, Moody, who, he said, had been forcibly
removed from the house, was allowed 14 days to pay. |
The compulsory purchase order for this street and George
Street was confirmed in November 1966 and the pub closed on 11 September
1967. With a few exceptions, the area was then rebuilt and a car park for
residents now occupies this site.
LICENSEE LIST
PAY William 1851-17/July/60 dec'd (Census labourer at Brewery and Beer Shop Keeper)
PAY Mary 1861+ (age 59 in 1861) (More Info)
PELHAM John July/1871-July/76
AMOS William 1876-1881+ (age 32 in 1881)
MARBROOK Mrs Ann Mary 1895
YATES William 1899-1901+
HUNTLEY Ellen 1901-05 (age 38 in 1901)
STORY/STAREY John Apr/1905
WISE T H June/1906
ROBERTSON James T H June/1906-Aug/06 (Ex-constable of Metropolitan Police)
ROWDEN Horace W Aug/1906-Apr/08
CHAMBERS Albert William Apr/1908-Sept/09
LITTLE Charles Sept/1909-13+
(age 40 in 1911)
HOWLING Robert 1922-June/34
GUNN George Edward June/1934 (late of the "Brunswick," Hove, Sussex.)
THOMPSON John Frederick 1937-Jan/49
(Granted a music and singling license on 13 Jan 1939. Dover Express.)
MOODY Arthur Seymour Jan/1949-50
MOODY Arthur Clifford (son) June/1950+
BESSANT William T 1953-55 end
HARDY Cecil Robert 1955-56 end
CAMPBELL Donald Farquhar 1956
WALLER Enos 1958-67 Sept 11
Albert William Chambers was a Marden farmer and fly proprietor before
taking on the Green Man.
From the Post Office Directory 1874
From the Kelly's Directory 1899
From the Post Office Directory 1901
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1909
From the Post Office Directory 1913
From the Post Office Directory 1922
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924
From the Post Office Directory 1930
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33
From the Post Office Directory 1938
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1948-49
From the Kelly's Directory 1950
From the Kelly's Directory 1953
From the Kelly's Directory 1956
From the Dover Express
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