60 Blenheim Road
Deal
Above photo, 1910, kindly sent by Rory Kehoe. |
Above photo taken by Ron Shelvey 3 July 2001, who says:-
"My brother, Ern Shelvey, and I visited this pub and had a drink
outside knowing that at one period of time our Great Grandfather had
been the Licensee.
He was Daniel Shelvey Born 1837 and Died 1907.
Kind Regards,
Ron Shelvey. |
Above photograph by Patricia Streater 9th February 2010, showing the
former "Oak and Ivy." |
Above photo kindly supplied by Trevor Hatton.
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From the East Kent Mercury, 13 July, 1983.
Mrs J Fermor, of East Farleigh, sent the East Kent Mercury this picture
of the "Oak and Ivy" in Denmark Place, Deal, in 1910. Her grandfather,
Arthur Wackett, is driving the 36-seat brake in hand, Does anyone know
what was the occasion?
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Above sign 1992, with thanks to Deal library. |
Earliest mention I have found to date is from the Deal Licensing Register 1869 as a beer-house,
but previously called the "Crown"
as early as 1847 when the road was called South Sandy Lane. It changed name
to Blenheim Road in 1869.
In 1869 when the Deal Licensing Register
still referred to the premises as a beer-house and in 1903 it was referred to as
an alehouse being supplied by George Beer and Sons.
It appears that in March 1872, new landlord Daniel Shelvey applied to
have the name of the house changed again, this time to the "Flying Horse." I
have not found a pub with that name in this area, so obviously it never
happened.
From the Deal, Walmer & Sandwich Mercury, 27 March, 1872.
The license of the "Oak and Ivy," beer-house, Blenheim
Road, was endorsed from Mr. Curling to Mr. D. Shelvey, who expressed a
wish to alter the sign of the house to the "Flying Horse." He was
informed that he must wait till the next licensing day.
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From the Deal, Walmer & Sandwich Mercury,
4 April, 1874.
UNSUSTAINED CHARGE OF ASSAULT.
John Dessant a labourer, was summoned by Thomas H. Pain, cooper, for
assaulting him at the "Oak and Ivy," public-house, on the 24th March.
Defendant pleaded not guilty.
Thomas Pain deposed: On the morning in question I called in at the
"Oak and Ivy," and whilst there the defendant came to the bar. Seeing
him there, and having some business with him, I called him into a room
and asked him how we could arrange about some things which were in a
store which I used formerly to hire. I said the casks must be got out as
the parties had sent for them. The answer he gave me was, "We will
settle it this way, you ____", and then struck me a blow on the nose. I
went and asked the landlady Mrs. Shelvey, for some water to wash my face
in as it was bloody, and whilst I was washing he hit me again, as near
the same place as he could. He then went away, and I afterwards left. As
I was passing the "Swan Inn" on my way home
I saw defendant and some other men at work there. I asked him if he were
not ashamed of what he had done, when one of his mates said, "Give it to
him again Johnny." He came towards me as if he were going to strike me,
but someone came round the corner at the time and he went back and
resumed his work. I walked away.
Cross-examined: I was not drunk at the time I spoke to you. I will
swear that I did not strike you. The door of the room was shut so that
anyone standing at the bar could not see what was done. I did not fall
down at all. The scar on my nose was not occasioned by my falling, but
by a blow. I still say you struck me a second time whilst I was washing
my face. The landlady was present in the bar when this second blow was
struck, but whether she saw it or not I cannot say. There was also a man
sitting in front of the bar and I said to him, " You are a witness," but
he laughed and said "That's nothing; I know nothing about it."
In defence Dessent said, he went into the public-house to get a
glass of beer, and whilst at the bar Pain, who was sitting in the room,
called him in and said he wanted him to go at ten o'clock the next
morning to Mr. Mercer's office. Defendant inquired what he was to go
there for, and added, "Tom, you are drunk, and I won't talk to you now;
but I am working at the "Swan," and if you
have anything to say to me you can come there to-morrow." He then walked
out of the room, and Pain followed him and wanted to know if he said
that he (Pain) was drunk. Dessent told him that he was not sober, and
then Pain struck him, when defendant gave him a push and he fell
backwards. Pain then got up and pulled off his jacket and stuck him
again. He denied most positively that he struck Pain whilst they were in
the room, or until he had received two blows from him. They were not in
the room for more than three or four minutes, and the table was between
them.
Luke Amys, a coastguard pensioner, living in Gladstone-road, said he
was at the bar of the "Oak and Ivy" in company of a man named Castle,
when the defendant came in. Pain was in the tap-room, and called Dessent
into him. The door was half open, and after the defendant had gone in he
saw the two in there. After they had been in about five minutes Dessent
came out again, and Pain followed him. Dessent said "If you have
anything to say to me, I am working at the "Swan";
you are not in a fit state for me to talk to." pain said "Do you mean to
say I am drunk?" Dessent replied "Well, you are not sober, Tom;" and
with that Pain struck Dessent, and then the latter struck him and
knocked him down. Witness was quite positive no blows were struck by
either of the men in the room; if there had been he must have seen them.
Pain did not have water to wash his face. Witness added that he knew
neither of the men, and was no way interested in the case.
William Castle, the man referred to, fully corroborated the statement
of the defendant and his witness.
The Magistrates, without retiring, said they were quite of opinion,
from the evidence which they had heard, that Pain was really the
aggressor, and the case would therefore be dismissed.
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An outlet for Fremlins in 1974,
and by 1992 passed into the hands of Whitbread.
From the East Kent Mercury, 6 September, 2001
RUNNING A PUB IS A TALL ORDER.
There is more to running a pub than pulling pints as Derek and
Christine Crittel have discovered. Since arriving at the "Oak and Ivy" in
Blenheim Road, Deal, they have found themselves at the top of the
tallest building in Ashford. But they didn't abseil alone, a team of
regulars joined them [...]" The result was that Action Research were
more than £323 richer. |
LICENSEE LIST
CURLING Mr to Mar/1872
SHELVEY Daniel Mar/1872-1901 (age 54 in 1891)
beerhouse
THATCHER George 1901-29
FRERE Tom 1929-38+
OLIVER Frederick 1938-39 dec'd
OLIVER Andrea Mrs 1939-48 (age 42 in 1939)(remarried in 1939 to John H
ADAMS)
OWENS Winifred 1956+
STOCK Alfred 1962
STOCK G R 1966
STOCK Albert A J 1974
Fremlins
BACON Frederick 1974+
ARNOLD John 1982+
ROGERS Arthur 1987+
STEWART Keith 1989
HOYLE John & SHILLETT Mary 1994+
CRITTEL Derek & Christine 2001+
Closed 2004
https://pubwiki.co.uk/OakIvy.shtml
http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/oakivy.html
From the Kelly's Directory 1903
From the Post Office Directory 1913
Deal Library List 1914
From Pikes 1908
From the Post Office Directory 1922
From the Post Office Directory 1938
Library archives 1974
Deal Licensing Register
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