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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1828-

Britannia

Closed 15 Jan 2020

42 Fort Hill (East Cliff Pigot's Directory 1828-29)

Margate

01843 280609

https://whatpub.com/britannia

Britannia

Above photo date unknown.

Britannia 2019

Above photo 2019.

Britannia 2019

Above photo 2019.

Britannia sign 1986Britannia sign 2012

Above sign left, October 1986, sign right 2012.

With thanks from Brian Curtis www.innsignsociety.com.

 

The "Britannia" is a hexagonal shaped building situated next to the police station today and has a wonderful view over the harbour and one time Jetty, and may add to the claim that this was a hunting lodge belonging to the Cobb's Brewing and Banking family. In the 19th Century was next door to Cobb's Brewery who held the freehold here from at least 1820 to October 1968 when they were bought out by Whitbread, who took just three years to demolish the brewery.

In the early 1900's minstrels would entertain on the forecourt in front of the pub, which is now its car park.

Minstrels performing in 1900

Above photo, circa 1900.

 

It is said that there are a huge amount of tunnels under the area and the cellar of the "Britannia" also has a tunnel entrance reputed to be used by smugglers leading to the nearby Margate Caves. These tunnels were used as an entrance to the Fort air raid shelters during the two World Wars.

The pub was also used by the rescued heroes landing in Margate after being brought home from Dunkirk 1940.

A projectile smashed through the bedroom window and embedded itself 4 inches in the wall after one of the unsuccessful attempt to blow up the rotting iron remains of the storm damaged jetty.

One time Cobbs tied house. Cobbs were founded in 1673, but Whitbread took them over early 1968 and closed the brewery later that year.

Chris Richford tells me the following:- This pub is next door to Margate police station. In 1968 the remains of the Cobbs brewery buildings were still standing. The original police station was in Margate old town. The new police station had opened in 1966 on the site of the brewery. Mr Cobb, while chairman of the Kent Police Authority had apparently gifted the site to Kent County Council. As they had intended to acquire the old TA centre/fire brigade/ambulance station at Westwood to have one station for the whole of Thanet, the gift kept Broadstairs and Ramsgate stations going for at least another 40 years.

In the 1980s, a skeleton was found under the floorboards inside the pub and used to be displayed, covered by a glass plate, in the main bar.

The pub today (2011) the pub is one of East Kent's Premier Live Music Venues.

The pub was disrupted in August 2019 due to unruly travellers in the location. (View here.)

 

From the https://theisleofthanetnews.com by Kathy Bailes, 3 January, 2020.

Margate landlord announces the closure of The Britannia pub.

Britannia 2019

The Britannia pub in Margate will close its doors for good on January 15, says landlord Paul Rollins, due to pressures including ‘crippling’ business rates.

Paul and wife Edna have run the Fort Hill boozer for almost five years and hit the headlines with their £1 Sunday roast dinners last year. The venue has also put on a host of live music nights and other events over the years,

But Paul, 66, says running the “pub is not viable.”

Paul & Edna Hutson 2019

Paul and Edna have been at the helm of the pub for almost five years Photo John Hutson.

In September Paul, who is the President of the Licensed Victuallers Association Thanet Branch, revealed during a meeting that he was paying a huge £22,000 a year in business rates.

The British Beer and Pub Association says: “Business rates are a major cost to pubs, who pay a disproportionate amount compared to other sectors.

“In April 2017 there was a revaluation of rates across the UK, with many pubs seeing further significant increases. We believe major reform is required and until that point additional relief should be given specifically for pubs.”

The Britannia has also made the decision to keep the doors closed today (January 3) as a precaution due to a Traveller encampment currently at the Lido car park in Cliftonville. Last August Bank Holiday the pub had to shut when trouble flared with a group staying at the same site.

 

From the https://www.kentonline.co.uk By Millie Bowles, 18 August 2023.

The Britannia pub in Margate could be turned into flats.

Plans have been unveiled to turn a former pub famous for serving Britain’s cheapest roast dinner into four flats.

The Grade II-listed Britannia in Fort Hill, Margate, dates back to about 1828 and hit national headlines in 2019 when the landlord began serving £1 Sunday roasts.

Unfortunately, the following January the inn closed its doors for good, citing rising costs, and it has remained empty ever since.

Now, a bid to “reinvigorate” the venue by converting it into four flats by building a two-storey extension to the rear, and adding two semi-detached cottages in the beer garden, has been submitted.

Documents lodged by architects Ian Barber Associates say: “The proposals ensure that the existing building will be complemented by the new works, allowing for a positive addition to the site without detriment to the locality.

“They will improve the living quality and standard of the existing building and future occupiers, while not unacceptably intruding into the landscape and street scene or the listed building.”

Developers promise to retain the existing historical features of the 19th century public house, including an internal flint wall.

They also hope to reinstate some which have been lost throughout the pub’s lifetime such as sash windows, and remove modern partition walls.

The architects add: “There have been various alterations to the existing building over time, not all in character with the age and style of the property, consisting of extensions to the front side and rear, with many unsympathetic internal alterations.

“These new plans will provide life to the site and period building, and reinvigorate its continued use.”

The apartments will all have three bedrooms, as will the houses.

Behind the white castle-style wall at the front of the building, it is hexagonal in shape and has an incredibly rich history.

It was once owned by Cobbs Brewery, which made beer at an adjoining site demolished in the 1960s to make way for Margate police station.

It is rumoured the cellar connects to the Margate Caves and tunnels used by smugglers, and the tavern was used to house soldiers rescued from Dunkirk.

A skeleton was found under the floorboards in the 1980s and the publican of the time covered the portion of the floor with glass and displayed it.

In more recent times, it was known as a great music venue, and hundreds of people flocked from as far as Yorkshire to try the famous £1 roast.

Britannia garden 2023

Developers want to add two houses in the garden of The Britannia in Margate.

The food – despite the meagre price tag – was highly enjoyed by all accounts, and landlord Paul Rollins said he made the money back by the extra advertising and customers.

 

From the https://www.kentonline.co.uk By Daniel Esson, 11 April 2024.

Historic seafront pub in Margate to be transformed into flats.

A distinctive Grade-II Listed former pub labelled an “eyesore” is set to be overhauled into flats.

Divisive plans to transform Margate’s old Britannia into homes recently received a mixed bag of reaction.

But now, the once prominent family pub in Fort Hill, previously renowned for £1 roast dinners, is expected to be revamped into four flats.

Dating back to about 1828, The Britannia closed its doors in 2020 citing rising costs, and has remained shut ever since.

Now, Thanet District Council planning chiefs are expected to greenlight developer Acme Lettings’ proposals, after it pointed out the “non-viability” of running pubs.

The Whitstable developer argued in its design and access statement: “Certainly, the decline of the pub as a community facility is highlighted in that another local pub has closed, together with many other pubs within the area, most due to the non-viability of running them.”

“There has been various alterations to the existing building over time, not all in character with the age and style of the property, consisting of extensions to the front side and rear,” the developers add.

The building situated next to Margate Police Station has a distinctive castellated front, with Acme stressing the unique design will remain unchanged.

Originally, the application also included plans for two semi-detached cottages in the former beer garden.

However, the buildings were removed from the plans, with TDC’s conservation officer labelling them “inappropriate” and “ultimately causing harm to the primary listed property”.

The application has been controversial, attracting six objections and nine letters of support in the authority’s planning portal.

“With the urgent need for more housing, changing the use of the land and property to incorporate such in a prime seafront location therefore seems to be the best and most sensible way forward,” wrote resident Keith Docwra.

“I feel this proposal will bring a much-needed and welcome change to the site in question.”

The new homes would be a “small but essential step in the right direction and can only serve to enhance the local area,” Mr Docwra added.

Andrew Cox wrote that he supports the bid “to finally do something constructive with the white elephant that is the Britannia public house.

“I know that the pub business has failed on five consecutive occasions because the Britannia is too big for its own good.

“These days people want specialist designer bars and micro pubs. The days of the huge family public house have long gone.”

He added: “Residential use is the only sensible option.”

“The building will go from being a paint-peeling eyesore, with a concrete car park dominating the frontage, to an attractive facade with substantial planting,” wrote Elizabeth Stone.

However, not everyone is overjoyed to see the historic inn converted.

Julian Stone, pub preservation officer of the Thanet Campaign for Real Ale, wrote to the district council on behalf of the 500 members.

“We believe the Britannia Hotel needs time to re-establish itself,” he argued.

“Let’s be clear, pubs and hotels in Margate need to be protected from being converted into flats or houses in multiple occupation.

“Pubs and hotel businesses are important for the town’s continued prosperity and vitality.”

Ian Jones also came out in objection, arguing: “This proposal seems to be an exercise in squeezing six three-bedroom dwellings onto a relatively small plot, adding substantially to urban density, with little thought regarding its detrimental impact on the quality of life in neighbouring (listed) properties.

“Whilst some development of the Britannia pub is probably inevitable in one form or another, the proposal under consideration is opportunistic, inconsiderate and far from ideal, contributing little to the neighbourhood,” he added.

The Britannia garnered attention in 2019 when the landlord started selling what could have been Britain’s cheapest roast dinner at only £1 a meal.

But the landlords closed in January 2020 amid mounting trading pressures.

Indeed, it has been well-documented pubs across the county have been struggling for years.

As the housing crisis shows no sign of abating, many have been converted into flats or homes instead.

TDC’s planning committee are set to vote on the application at a meeting on Wednesday, April 17, where planning officers will recommend it be approved.

 

From the https://theisleofthanetnews.com By Kathy Bailes, 18 April, 2024.

Thanet councillors refuse proposal to turn Margate’s Britannia pub into flats.

A bid to turn the Grade II listed Britannia pub in Margate into four flats has been rejected by councillors on Thanet’s planning committee.

Developer Acme Lettings said the housing plan was necessary due to the “non-viability” of the pub.

The Whitstable developer argued in its design and access statement: “The decline of the pub as a community facility is highlighted in that another local pub has closed, together with many other pubs within the area, most due to the non-viability of running them.”

However, councillors at a meeting last night (April 17) said local buyers and a London chain had made approaches about taking it on as a business and Julian Stone, from the Thanet branch of the Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA) said it is possible for larger pubs to thrive.

Mr Stone said: “We believe this change of use application adversely affects the balance of the area by permanently removing a community pub that also forms part of the visitor attractions for the town.

“As way of background, in 2021 the Britannia didn’t re-open when lockdown ended. Much later that same year it was then run by another concern until closing in early 2022. Has the building’s owner been actively seeking a new tenant for these last two years? We’re unsure.

“There is an assertion that the Britannia is now and forever will be unviable as a business, this has to be refuted it being so close to the Turner Gallery and other Margate attractions.

“To be clear, the assertion that such larger public houses cannot survive in Thanet is not the case. For example the Botany Bay, two Wetherspoons – one being the largest in the country- Royal Albion Hotel in Broadstairs, the Minnis Bay in Birchington, and at least four carvery-style venues all prove that larger public houses can certainly thrive.

“That Thanet is experiencing a significant increase in its population and so its customer base must spell good news for all venues including for the future of the Britannia.

“As we know, new housing is already being built on many new sites in Thanet, but these builds can never include a beautiful Historic England listed public house. This proposed permanent loss of the Britannia removes a little part of the publicly accessible heritage of Thanet. To those who think that a new micropub or a bar opening somewhere can replace this historic building – all I can say is that such would be poor replacement.”

Mr Stone pointed out that in 2022 important changes in the Pubs Code Regulations came into being, forcing fair rents and extra protections for tenants. He has also suggested converting it back to its former use as a hotel.

He added: “There have been recent pub closures in Margate but all these have re-opened and in spectacular fashion; the Bulls Head, the Shakespeare and the Northern Bell are fine examples of re-opened pubs that are doing well.”

Cllr Sam Bambridge, who had called the application in to the planning committee, also questioned the lack of viability for the Britannia saying she was aware of ‘numerous offers’ that had been made.

She said: “As a councillor I have been approached by numerous parties that have put in offers for the Britannia to continue its use as a public house for the local community and have been deterred by what appears to be an inflated price tag designed to deter potential buyers for the building.

“These offers have included local buyers and a London pub chain that said the price asked was unrealistic.”

Cllr Bambridge also revealed a local businessman had made an offer in the region of £500,000 which had been rejected when the owner said a higher offer had been made.

The businessman said his plan had been to retain the bar with Air BNB units upstairs.

Cllr Bambridge said the Britannia had been “an incredibly popular venue” which served meals, had regular music sessions and was used as a meeting place by residents, adding: “It is an amazing venue that needs a chance to get up and running again.”

Views against the proposal.

This view was backed by ward councillor Rob Yates who said it was an historic pub in a prominent location and the perfect spot for pre or post drinks when the Winter Gardens reopens.

Cllr Steve Albon said he could not support an application to “stick a lump of an extension” on a Grade II listed pub.

Cllr Marc Rattigan said he was also aware of offers that had been made and rejected for the building while Cllr Becky Wing said the pub should not be ‘butchered’ and with investment the Britannia would have similar potential to the Royal Victoria Pavilion in Ramsgate.

Planning officers warned that a rejection of the plans could go to appeal. However, councillors voted to reject the application on the basis of a loss of a community facility without sufficient justification or adequate alternative provision.

From the 1800s the site of the Britannia pub in Margate has been a destination for drinkers. The original building overlooked the harbour and the jetty and has been in use in its current form since the mid 1840s. It is claimed it was once a hunting lodge and tied with the original Cobb’s Brewery, in operation on the site adjoining the pub from the early 1800s until 1968.

Following the demolition of Cobb’s in the 1970s the site saw some new buildings put up which included the current police station next door.

The Britannia was last run by landlord Paul Rollins and wife Edna but they announced its closure in 2020 due to pressures including ‘crippling’ business rates.

Paul and Edna had run the Fort Hill boozer for almost five years and hit the headlines with their £1 Sunday roast dinners but it came to an end when they said it was no longer viable.

Paul, who was the President of the Licenced Victuallers Association Thanet Branch, revealed during a meeting that he was paying a huge £22,000 a year in business rates.

The pub had a brief reopening in the latter part of 2021 but this was short-lived and it has not been open since 2022.

 

From the https://www.kentonline.co.uk By Louis Walker, 26 April 2024.

Plans to transform The Britannia pub in Margate into flats refused by Thanet District Council.

A bid to transform a historic pub overlooking the sea into housing has been rejected.

The Grade-II listed The Britannia in Margate was earmarked for four three-bedroom flats and a rear extension but it was claimed the argument it needs to be turned into housing “just doesn’t work here”.

The once-beloved boozer dates back nearly 200 years and has been closed since January 2020, with its former landlords citing rising costs behind the decision to quit.

But when the scheme went before councillors at Thanet District Council (TDC), they voted to overthrow the flats development.

One member said prospective landlords looking to take over the pub had been put off by “what appears to be an inflated price tag”.

The conversion plans received a mixed bag of responses after being unveiled last year.

Applicants Acme Lettings said conversion was necessary due to the pub's “non-viability”.

“The decline of the pub as a community facility is highlighted by the closure of another local pub, together with many other pubs within the area, mostly due to the non-viability of running them.”

However, this was questioned at the planning meeting last Thursday by Thanet Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA) member, Julian Stone.

He said: “There is an assertion that The Britannia will now and forever be unviable as a business. This has to be refuted, given its proximity to the Turner Gallery and other Margate attractions.

“This proposed permanent loss of The Britannia removes a little part of the publicly accessible heritage of Thanet.

“To those who think that a new micropub or a bar opening somewhere can replace this historic building, all I can say is that such a replacement would be a poor one.”

Cllr Sam Bambridge (Con) also questioned the lack of viability surrounding The Britannia.

She said: “As a councillor, I have been approached by numerous parties that have put in offers for the Britannia to continue its use as a public house for the local community and have been deterred by what appears to be an inflated price tag designed to deter potential buyers for the building.

“The argument of a housing shortage just doesn't work here. There are plans for housing everywhere, including many newly built flats behind the Britannia itself.

“The historic, much cherished Britannia, is one of the best-placed venues in Margate. We should be proud of it and protect it.

“The last thing we need is a small number of flats to benefit the few who can afford them.”

The original plans for the pub site also included two semi-detached cottages in the former beer garden.

However, the buildings were removed from the plans, with TDC’s conservation officer labelling them “inappropriate” and “ultimately causing harm to the primary listed property”.

Ward councillor for Margate Central, Rob Yates (Lab) also said he knew residents who had expressed interest in taking over The Britannia and added that “it was the perfect place for a pub”.

Cllr Rebecca Wing (Green) acknowledged what could be possible at the site if it was allowed to get back on its feet.

She said: “I can't understand why we are allowing this listed building to be butchered.

“There isn't another pub in the area, and it seems it has been left to rot since lockdown.

“We can liken this to the Royal Victoria Pavillion in Ramsgate, the listed building that has been turned into a magnificent venue enjoyed by many people. This probably has similar potential.”

The Britannia’s history dates back to 1828, and it previously gained national headlines for its £1 roast dinners.

The application was refused unanimously, based on losing a community facility without sufficient justification or adequate alternative provision.

The vote followed warnings by planning officers that the decision could be taken to appeal.

 

LICENSEE LIST

HUBBARD John 1826-32+ Pigot's Directory 1828-29Pigot's Directory 1832-34

WORMALL William James 1839-41+ (age 56 in 1841Census)

PEAL Robert (Richard) Dunk 1847-67+ (age 55 in 1861Census) Williams Directory 1849

GRANT Alfred Henry 1871-91+ (age 48 in 1881Census)

BROWN Seymour W 1901-03+ (age 39 in 1901Census) Kelly's 1903

MOUNT George William 1911-13+ (age 30 in 1911Census)

STRANGE Joseph W 1922-30+

CARTER George 1938+

ROLLINS Paul 2019-20

https://pubwiki.co.uk/Britannia.shtml

 

Pigot's Directory 1828-29From the Pigot's Directory 1828-29

Pigot's Directory 1832-34From the Pigot's Directory 1832-33-34

Kelly's 1903From the Kelly's Directory 1903

CensusCensus

Williams Directory 1849From Isle of Thanet Williams Directory 1849

 

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