West Langdon
Not to be confused with the pub with the same name just a few miles away
at Church Whitfield. See "Rose
Inn" Church Whitfield.
Melvilles directory of 1858 identified this as a shop and beer house.
Apparently it operated only as an off-license and beer shop in 1884.
The pub closed in 1978 and the premises is now a farm called Old Rose Farm and is a private estate.
The resident, A. J. Powers tells me (2011) that the tree shown in the
picture above was cut down in 2001 and there is now a detached garage in its
place.
Canterbury Journal, Kentish Times and Farmers' Gazette, Saturday 25 October 1884.
Selling Beer on Off-Licensed Premises.
Thomas Tritton, keeper of the "Rose beer shop," West Langdon, was
charged with selling beer for consumption on the premises contrary to
the law, he only having an off license.
P.C. Fowler, of Great Mongeham, said he saw a man named Thomas Dawson go
to the house on the afternoon of the 27th Sept. He was supplied with a
jug of beer, which he drank outside the house.
Mrs. Tritton admitted that she supplied beer to people which they drank
in the road.
Superintendent Kewell said he thought the defendant was ignorant of the
law, and as this would be a warning to him, he did not press for a heavy
fine.
Fined 1s. and 9d. costs.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 17 September, 1886. 1d.
TRANSFER
Mr. Vernon Knocker said that with reference to the “Rose,” of West
Langdon, notice had been given that it should be a fully licensed beer
house, but owing to some fault in that notice he had advised his client
to withdraw the application for the present. He asked that the house
might be transferred to George Drew, formerly of the Royal Marines. The
widow was not in occupation.
The magistrates granted the request.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 14 September, 1888. 1d.
WINGHAM PETTY SESSIONS
The report of Superintendent Kewell showed that the ale houses, beer houses,
and grocers, and others licensed to sell spirits, wine, and beer within
part of the Wingham Division under his superintendence with the
following exceptions have been well conducted:
The exceptions were the “Rose,” off license, West Langdon, kept by
George Drew, who was fined 18s. and costs for permitting beer to be
consumed on his premises contrary to his license on the 18th May, 1888.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 21 September, 1888. 1d.
APPLICATION REFUSED
Mr. M. Mowll applied on behalf of Mr. George Drew, for an on-license at
the “Rose” public house.
The application was refused.
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From the Canterbury Journal, Kentish Times and Farmers' Gazette, Saturday 29 September, 1888.
THE LICENSING REPORTS.
The annual licensing business was then proceeded with.
With two exceptions the whole had been well conducted during the past
year.
The "Rose," an off-licensed house at West Langdon, the
landlord, George Drew, being fined for permitting beer to be consumed
on the premises, contrary to the license.
The landlords of the two houses referred to in Supt. Kewell's report
were called forward and cautioned as to the way in which their houses
were conducted in the future.
Mr. M. Mowll applied for an "on" beer license for the "Rose," West
Langdon, George Drew, landlord. The application, which was also made
last year, was again refused.
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Dover Express 22nd June 1889.
Dover County Sessions( before G. E. Toemer, Esq., Major Stevenson and
Colonel Sladen).
George Drew, the landlord of the "Rose" beerhouse, West Langdon, was
summoned for allowing beer to be consumed on his premises, he only
having an off licence. The defendant, on oath, denied the offence but
the Bench fined him 10 shillings and costs.
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Dover Express 14 May 1915 back page.
(Private) Wm HARVEY 2nd Batt.
Buffs. War Dead. Parents at the Rose Inn, West Langdon. Photo of him
there. To add.
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Dover Express 8.th January 1943.
Wingham Petty Sessions 7th January 1943.
The licence of the “Rose” Inn, West Langdon, was transferred from
Frederick George Philpott to William Powell.
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Dover Express 15th January 1943.
The licence of the “Rose” Inn, West Langdon, has been transferred to
William Hall and not Powell as stated last week.
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Dover Express 20th August 1943.
Wingham Petty Sessions held on 19th August 1943 before Lord Hawarden (in
the Chair).
LANGDON DANCE SEQUEL. TWO MEN SENT TO PRISON.
Gunners Leonard H. Pink and William C. Kelly R.A. represented by
Mr. A. K. Mowll, pleaded guilty to stealing a quantity of tinned foodstuff
of the value of 17s 1d, the property of H.M. Government. Supt. Wheatley
said that, on 7th August, the unit held a dance and, at 11.45 p.m. Lieut.,
Hutchinson was seeing people off the premises when he heard voices, made
investigations, and, as a result, came into possession of a box
containing tins of food. He made certain other inquiries and issued
instructions for the rations to be checked. The tins were then missed
from the cookhouse. Defendants were interviewed by the Police and made
statements.
Pink stated that he and Kelly were together all the evening and had been
drinking a lot of beer. Following a suggestion made to them, they went
to the cookhouse
and took the foodstuffs, which they left outside in the box, telling the
men inside that they had got them some food. No payment was made.
After an officer had given the men excellent army characters, Mr. Mowll
said that the whole unfortunate incident was the result of beer. Both
had been drinking heavily or they would not have done that sort of
thing. Before the war Kelly had been in one job for 17 years. He was
representing them at the expense of the officers, because they thought
so highly of those men.
The Chairman said that the defendants had committed a very serious
offence and, apart from stealing Government stores, would have deprived
their mates of certain food. As they did not get much money as soldiers,
the fines would be 30s each.
Langdon Licensee sent to Prison.
The sequel to the above case was that William Hall, licensee of the
“Rose” Inn, West Langdon, Mrs. Emily M. Hall, his wife, and Victor V.
Lawrence of Douglas Road, Dover, were charged with receiving foodstuffs
well knowing them to have been stolen and with being in possession of
Government stores. Represented by Mr. G. W. Hardman, they pleaded not
guilty.
Supt. Wheatley outlined the case and observed that the Bench would
appreciate in these days that no sane person could suggest that they
would not suspect that the tins were stolen goods, since civilians could
not obtain them without points and those tins represented 182 points or
an adult ration for 8 months.
Lieut Ernest Hutchinson, R. A. said that, on August 7th, the unit held a
dance which ended at 11.45 p.m. when he was seeing people off the
premises. He was returning when he heard voices 15 or 20 yards away. He
called out “Who’s that?” but got no answer. He went across and saw the
three defendants. Lawrence had a box and witness asked “What have you
got there?” There was no reply but, when witness said he wanted to know
what they were taking out, the woman said “What has that got to do with
you?” The woman dropped something – which he afterwards found was a
handbag – over the things in the box. He took them to a marquee and
found that the box contained the tins of food, which were similar to
those issued for the mens’ rations.
Cross examined, witness said that Lawrence had been drinking, but was
not drunk. He afterwards became abusive. He could not say on oath that
any one of those tins was the property of the Government, because the
same brands could be bought in the shops.
Corpl. John Catlow, in charge of the cookhouse, and responsible for the
food stores, said that he checked them at 4.30 p.m. on August 7th. At 1
a.m. on August 8th, he again checked the stores and missed the 28 tins
and the box, which he identified in Court.
Pink said that he and Kelly were in the canteen during the dance and had
some drinks with Hall and Lawrence. One of the civilians spoke of the
difficulty of making ends meet because of the food rationing. As a
result, he went to the cookhouse and he put the tins in the box.
Returning to the canteen, he told them he had one or two things for them
outside. They then had another drink.
Kelly said that he went with Pink and got the rations and he handed the
box to the two men in the dark.
Det. Cons. Sharp of Deal said that he went to the "Rose Inn," West
Langdon, and saw Mr. & Mrs. Hall and Lawrence, and told them they would
be arrested for receiving stolen Government stores. Hall replied “I
don’t know what it’s all about”. When charged at Deal Police Station,
Hall said “I have nothing to say except that it was a good job I was
stopped. Perhaps I was not as careful as I should have been. I have
never received anything before.” Lawrence said that he was leaving the
place when a box was handed to him. He did not know what it contained.
Mr. Hardman withdrew his plea of not guilty in regard to the two men and
called Mrs. Hall, who maintained her plea of not guilty.
Mrs. Hall said that, after the "Rose Inn" closed, her husband and she
and Lawrence, who was an old friend, went to the dance and remained
until nearly midnight. She stopped in the dance room all the time,
except for a few minutes when Lawrence fetched her to have a glass of
lemonade. After the dance, she met Lawrence outside the canteen, but did
not see her husband. Lawrence had had a lot to drink and was a bit
troublesome. He was stumbling along when she thought she heard
something, and, turning round, saw that Lawrence had a box. She asked
where he had got it and he said someone had given it to him. She then
thought she heard her husband coming and called “Will”. She did not know
what was in the box, but knew it must have come from the soldiers and
she wanted to get it back to them. It was through her calling to her
husband that the officer came. He thought that they were waiting for
somebody and then saw the box. Because she wanted to keep Lawrence out
of trouble, she put her handbag on the top and told the officer it was
something they had brought in with them. It was then her husband came
up. Her one idea was to keep the men out of trouble. She had no idea of
the contents of the box or from where or why they came. She knew
Lawrence had no right to it and she stupidly tried to bluff the officer.
Mr. Hardman said that all three bore good characters and the case was the
result of the two men indulging in too
much of a drinking party. They apologised for all the trouble they had
caused. He asked the Bench to accept Mrs. Hall’s evidence as the truth
and contended that she had no knowledge of any arrangements between the
two soldiers and her husband and Lawrence. The first she knew was when
she saw Lawrence in possession of the box and her immediate instinct, as
a friend, was to get him out of trouble.
The Bench gave Mrs. Hall the benefit of the doubt and dismissed the
cases against her. Hall and Lawrence were each sentenced to a month’s
hard labour on each charge to run concurrently, the Chairman observing
that they had, whether or not they had had too much to drink, committed
very serious offences.
As Hall, on conviction, automatically ceased to be a licensee, the
licence of the “Rose” Inn, West Langdon was temporarily transferred to
the secretary of the brewery company.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 3
September 1943
WINGHAM PETTY SESSIONS
Licence Transfer
The licence of the "Rose Inn," West Langdon, which at the last Court
was temporarily transferred to the Secretary of the Brewery company,
Messrs. Thompson and Co., Ltd. following the conviction of the licensee,
was temporarily transferred to George Pepper.
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From an email received 7 April 2011.
David Harvey kindly emailed me
with the following information:-
Isaac James Harvey, one of the licensees, was my grandfather. He
moved into the pub in 1900 but I do not have the exact date. He left on
17th October, 1929 when the licence was taken over by 'Mr. Philpott'.
Though I cannot be certain, I believe this was Fred Philpott shown in
your list. I have the original statement of the transfer which show the
fittings and stock to have been worth £38. 8s. 11d. After expenses, my
grandfather received £31. 1. 8d. One of the deductions was licence 4s.
0d. which might have referred to the first 16 days of October prior to
the transfer.
David Harvey.
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LICENSEE LIST
BEAN William 1851+
(also carpenter age 28 in 1851)
HAMMOND William 1858-61+ (also shop keeper age 51 in 1861)
TRITTON/SUTTON Thomas 1871-84+ (also blacksmith age 63 in 1881)
Unknown Widow (Mrs Tritton perhaps) to Sept/1886
DREW George Sept/1886-91+ (also agricultural labourer age 39 in 1891)
(former Royal
Marine)
CRESWELL Francis to Apr/1900
HARVEY Isaac James "Joseph" Apr/1900-Oct/29 (also farmer age 43 in 1911)
PHILPOTT Frederick George Oct/1929-Jan/1943
HALL William Jan/1943-Aug/43
PEPPER George Sen
2/Sept/1943-50
CLARINGBOULD Frederick T 1953-64+
From the Post Office Directory 1914
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39
From the Kelly's Directory 1950
From the Kelly's Directory 1953
From the Kelly's Directory 1956
Canterbury
Journal, Kentish Times and Farmers' Gazette
From the Dover Express
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