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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1812-

South Foreland

Latest 1869

Near Carter House, South Street

1 (80) Beach Street

Deal

South Foreland House South Foreland House address plaque

Above photos kindly sent by Patricia Streater, 9th February 2010. Showing South Foreland House as it is today at number 1 Beach Street.

The picture on the left shows the entrance to the house being on the left of the picture and the address plaque stating:- "South Foreland House 1 Beach Street." This one is actually facing South Street, the building being on a corner.

 

This is another one mentioned by the Deal History Society, and they say that the pub was in the vicinity of Carter House. I have now identified it as being 1 Beach Street.

Elizabeth Carter being famous as the English poet and translator (1717-1806).

The only information about the pub given is that it was operating between 1854 and 1868. However, according to www.deadpubs.co.uk it is listed as being in Beach Street in 1858.

Steve Glover and Michael Rogers in their book "The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer" state that Richard Redmond ran an unnamed beerhouse around the 1830s until at least 1852.

1857 the premises were not licensed as an alehouse but obviously continued selling beer as a beerhouse as shown below.

 

From the catalogue of the Lambeth Palace Library:

Lease: John May, of Deal, Kent, banker; James Shipdem of Deal, Kent, banker; James Wyborn, of Deal, Kent, banker.

TA 510/1,2 1812 (no. 455) Beach Street, the "South Foreland" Public House.

Lease to John May, of Deal, Kent, banker; John Mercer, of Deal, Kent, banker; James Shipdem of Deal, Kent, banker; James Wyborn, of Deal, Kent, banker.

 

TA 510/3,4 1823 (no. 455) Beach Street, the "South Foreland" Public House.

 

They were partners in the Deal Bank and were declared bankrupt on 24 December 1825. James Wyborn was the father-in-law of John May. This would have been an investment and they would have sub-let to someone else to run the pub.

The numbers in the catalogue entry are not the house number.

 

From the Kentish Chronicle, 17 November, 1860.

STEALING FROM THE PERSON.

At the Deal Petty Sessions on Saturday Mary Ann Nelson was charged, by John Pearcey, with stealing money from his pocket.

John Pearcy said:- I am a private in the 2nd Queen’s. Yesterday evening I met Mary Ann Nelson, in Lower-street, a little after six o'clock, and accompanied her to Mrs. Baker's, at the "South Foreland" beer-house. We had four half-pints of gin during our stay there. I changed a sovereign to pay for what I had. There were two or three others who partook of it besides ourselves. I should suppose I drank half of it. When I arose to leave the house, whilst in the passage, I had put the change in the pocket inside my jacket, it being unbuttoned at the time. I did not feel her take the money, but she left suddenly and said she would return in a few minutes. During her absence, Mrs. Baker, the landlady, told me she had got my money. I then put my hand to my pocket and found it gone. It consisted of half a sovereign in gold, three shillings and sixpence in silver. I then told Mrs. Baker that I should give information to the police, which I did, and accompanied the inspector, Parker, back to the "South Foreland," and then found that Nelson had returned. I charged her with the robbery, which she denied, this was about eight o'clock.

Prosecutor's evidence was not substantiated, and the case was therefore dismissed.

 

From the Deal, Walmer & District and Kingsdown Telegram, 12 December, 1860.

Petty Sessions

Mrs. Baker, "South Foreland" beerhouse in Beach Street, Deal, charged with selling spirits while only licensed to sell beer. Fined 12 11s. 0d. and 1 17s. 6d. costs and licence to sell beer null and void.

 

From the Deal, Walmer & District and Kingsdown Telegram, 16 March, 1861.

Report of theft of shawl from E A Baker of "South Foreland" Public House (beer shop.)

 

 

The property was sold in March 1861.

Last report from 1869, the premises were not licensed and this is the last I know of this one.

It is said that at one time during its  history, the house also operated as a brothel, where a booth on the ground floor was used where clients would pay the "madam" before ascending up to the bedrooms above. Inside was a two-way mirror where others could watch without been seen themselves, and possibly "madam" used to partake herself.

Now the house is a respectable abode, and privately owned, but it has been said that the ghost of the "madam" is still performing as overnight male guests have claimed they have been rudely awakened from their sleep my he presence.

 

LICENSEE LIST

???? 1812+

REDMOND Richard 1830s-52+

SPEARS H W 1854-55 Deal Licensing Register

Unlicensed 1856+

KNIGHT James 1858+ Melville's 1858

Last pub licensee had BAKER Ann M Mrs 1860

AUSTIN Edward Mar/1861-69

https://pubwiki.co.uk/SouthForelandInn.shtml

http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/southforeland.html

 

Melville's 1858From Melville's Directory 1858

Deal Licensing RegisterDeal Licensing Register

 

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