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509 Loose Road
Loose
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Maidstone Telegraph, Saturday 12 May 1866.
Coroner's Inquest.
A coroner's inquest was held on Tuesday afternoon last, at the
"Papermakers' Arms," Loose, on the body of Elisa Elliott.
The coroner (N. J. Dudlow, Esq.), having sworn the jury, of which
Mr. Cock was the foreman, they proceeded to view the body, and on
their return the following witnesses were sworn.
Any Marrs:- I live on the Loose Road. My husband is a labourer. The
deceased was a single woman. She lived with her sister, next door to
me. Her sister's name I do not know. I have known her a year and a
half. Her sister has not been there all that time. The deceased came
back to her sister last summer. I saw her walk up to the door
feebly. I have not seen her since then. Her sister, Mrs. Chrisp
called me in to see her last Thursday. When Mrs. Chrisp called me in
she said she did not know what to make of her. I went in and she
appeared to me to be dead, and I told Mrs. Chris so. Mrs Chris said
"Do you think so?" I went for a medical man, and he came. I did not
see or hear what he said. I saw her last alive about three weeks or
a month ago. She then said she felt very poorly. She said her sister
had asked her to get up and walk about, and she told me she could
not. The deceased said to me that she hoped they would not not take
her away. I believe she meant the officers, who took her away
before. She did not mention anyone's name. I thought she meant the
relieving officer. She never complained of her sister's treatment,
nor of the want of food. Her sister was always present when I saw
her. I never saw anything harsh on the part of deceased sister
towards her. Mrs. Chrisp used to tell me her sister was trying to
her, but I don't know in what way. On the morning of deceased death
I heard someone say, "You dirty devil." I was in bed at the time. It
sounded like Mrs. Crisps voice. No one else lived in the cottage but
Mrs. Chrisp, her husband, and deceased. Deceased never asked me for
food, no complaint of the want of food. When I saw her 3 weeks ago
she said she felt very poorly. Her sister told me she had a pain in
the stomach, and that was the reason she wanted her to walk about.
She used to tell me she did not want to go back to the union. I
never saw any ill-treatment on the part of Crisp or the wife towards
deceased.
Buy a juror:- I don't know whether she died in the room where you
saw her. She was downstairs when I saw her 3 weeks ago.
By another Juror:- I felt her to know whether she was cold. It was 6
o'clock when I heard the expression, and 10 o'clock when I was
called in.
Constructing Constable Okhill:- I saw the deceased on Saturday. I
heard of her death by accident on Friday Night. On Saturday I went
to the house. I there saw the deceased. She had a slight bruise on
her shoulder. Mrs. Chrisp told me it was by her falling against the
skirting of the room. I made enquiries into her death, in
consequence of a report in 1858 that a person who was kept in a
cottage, short of provisions. I made enquiries of Mrs. Chrisp. In
1864 I had an interview with the deceased and she then complained of
being kept short. I have made enquiries now, and can hear nothing of
the neighbours who she had been treated unkindly or kept short of
food. She returned from the union in my last. That is what Mrs.
Chrisp told me.
Buy a Juror:- Nourishment and provisions were put in through the
window to her in 1864.
Mr. Duly, relieving officer at Maidstone Union:- I knew the
deceased. She was taken by me into the union on the 16th September,
1864. My attention had been previously called to her on the 15th. I
inquired of her whether she had enough to eat, and she said "Yes." I
then told her I thought she had better go into the union. She first
said, "Yes" and then "No." I told her sister I should bring a
conveyance to take her next day. I did so. She remained in the union
until the 7th October following, when I removed her to Willesborough
union. On our way to Coxheath union I said "Is it true you have not
had enough to eat," and she said, "Yes; only I did not like to say
so before my sister." I said "I suppose they live as they do?" She
said "No; she makes me sit up in the corner of the room all day
long, and have nothing but bread and bread and butter." I said how
does your brother behave towards you? She said she would serve him
the same as me - thrash us both a like. I saw Mrs. Chrisp about
deceased and she said she was an artful deceitful hussey. Some few
months after I had moved her to Willsborough I received a letter,
asking me whether she was not for for removal. he applied to me to
know whether the sister was a proper person to have charger for her,
and I wrote back "No." I wrote to Crisp, and he denied her
treatment, saying that she faired as well as they did. When going to
the Willesborough union she expressed her pleasure in going there.
If she had applied to go into the Union, she would have been taken
there, but she was a poor helpless creature, not fit to be removed.
She was almost a skeleton when I took her to Willesborough. She
seems to be suffering from disease and of week mind, at the same
time she understood every question put to her.
Mr. Stokoe, surgeon of Coxheath Union:- On the 16th September
deceased came under my notice at the union. I found her a very
exhausted condition, and weak in the mind. On that occasion, or
shortly afterwards, she stated she was in want of food. I found also
from Mr. Duly that she was suffering from one of nourishment. After
her admission she had wine and meat, and I found her improve. Three
weeks after her admission I saw nothing of her until her death. On
Sunday last, the 6th inst., I saw the deceased. She had been then
dead three days. She was in an extremely emaciated condition. I
questioned Mrs. Crisp as to the state of her health previous to her
death, and she told me that it had been as good as as usual, and
that her appetite seemed good, and that until that day before she
died there have been no signs of approaching dissolutions. I
questioned her particularly with regard to the symptoms of
consumption and dietary disease, but heard from her that there was
none. From what I consider that she had been suffering from want of
food. Since then I have made a post-mortem examination, and found
extensive disease of both lungs, sufficient to account for death,
and also a slight softening of the brain. I think those diseases
would prevent food from properly nourishing her frame. The disease
appeared to have been of long-standing. I think the disease might
possibly have existed since October, 1864. I did not attend the
family, and therefore had no opportunity of knowing how she was
treated. I think it very rarely such as extreme emaciation arises
from consumption alone. It might accounted for from its
long-standing. There was no food in the stomach, but she had
evidently taken food within 24-hours.
By a Juror:- She might not have died so soon if she had proper
stimulants. Being short of food in 1864 might of accelerated the
disease.
This be in the last witness it was thought necessary to call, the
jury consulted amongst themselves after which the foreman said that
the jurors were of opinion that the conduct of Mrs. Chrisp, sister
of deceased, was highly censurable, and thought it would be more
satisfactory if she was called to give some explanation of this
account.
Mr. Crisp was accordingly brought into the room, but not
sworn.
The Coroner, addressing her, said that the jury were of opinion that
she had a exhibited great inattention to her sister; and that it was
her bounded duty to have called in medical assistance on the morning
of her death, and before. She (Mrs. Chrisp) had been heard to say by
witness, "You dirty devil." He wished to know whether it was correct
and who she was addressing.
Mrs. Crisp denied using such expressions, and said that she had done
her duty to her sister. She had supported her for 38 years, and
never during that period had been short of food. She had had several
doctors to her, and amongst others Mr. Monckton and Mr. Church. Last
Thursday morning when deceased got out of bed she had a fit, and she
sent for a medical man between 9 and 10 o'clock.
Coroner:- It appears when you waited until the deceased was in the
agonies of death before you sent for a medical man?
Witness:- I did not know she was so bad, as I had slept with her,
and gave her on Wednesday night a pint basin of gruel and toast.
A Juror:- Leicester Stokoe had said that he found no food in the
stomach. I should like to know from that gentleman if deceased had
had the gruel the previous night whether it would have been found in
the stomach. Mr. Stokoe:- I think so - more especially in a person
in her state of health.
A Juror:- There seems to be no evidence as to the state of the
health of deceased when she was brought from the union to her
sister's.
Another Juror (to Mrs Chrisp):- Where are you in receipt of parish
relief?
Mrs. Chrisp:- Not for the last 2 years.
The jury then consulted together and return the following verdict:-
"That the deceased died from consumption, accelerated by want of
proper nourishment, for which great blame is attached to Mrs. Chrisp,
sister of deceased."
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From the Southeastern Gazette, 15 May 1866.
LOOSE. Inquest on a Female.
A coroner’s inquest was held on Tuesday afternoon at the “Papermaker's
Arms,” before J. N. Dudlow, Esq., upon the body of Eliza Elliot, aged
52.
It appeared from the evidence (which was of considerable length) that
the deceased, who was of somewhat weak intellect, had been for some time
in the Coxheath Union. She was afterwards taken to the Willesborough
Union, and subsequently went to live with her sister, a Mrs. Crisp, on
the Loose-road. In conversation with Mr. Duly, the relieving officer,
deceased said she did not have enough to eat, but she did not like to
say so before her sister. Mr. Duly said he supposed she lived as they
did, meaning her sister and the husband, to which she replied, “No, she
(Mrs. Crisp) makes me sit up in the corner of the room all day long, and
have nothing but bread and butter.”
On Thursday, the 3rd inst., Mrs. Crisp called a neighbour to see the
deceased, who died shortly afterwards. On the 6th Mr. Stoke, the medical
officer of the Union, saw the deceased. He had attended her while in the
house. She was in a very emaciated state. In reply to his questions,
Mrs. Cripp said deceased’s health up to the time she died had been as
usual, her appetite seemed good, and that until the day before she died,
there had been no signs of approaching dissolution. He questioned Mrs.
Crisp particularly with regard to the symptoms of consumption or
dysentery disease, but was told there was none, and from that he
considered that she had been suffering from want of food. He had since
made a post mortem examination of the body, and found extensive disease
of both lungs, sufficient to cause death, and also a slight softening of
the brain. He was of opinion that those diseases would prevent food from
properly nourishing the frame. The disease appeared to have been of long
standing. There was no food in the stomach, but she had evidently taken
food within twenty-four hours.
By a Juror:— She might not have died so soon if she had had proper
stimulants.
The jury consulted, and the foreman said the jurors were of opinion that
the conduct of Mrs. Crisp was highly censurable, and that it would be
more satisfactory if she were called to give some explanation.
Mrs. Crisp was accordingly called in, and the Coroner, addressing her,
said the jury were of opinion that she had exhibited great inattention
to her sister, and that it was her bounden duty to have called in
medical assistance before the morning of her death.
Mrs. Crisp said she had done her duty to her sister. She had supported
her for 38 years, and never during that period had she been short of
food. She had several doctors to her, amongst others Mr. Monckton and
Mr. Church. Last Thursday morning, when deceased got out of bed, she had
a fit, and she (Mrs. Crisp) sent for a medical man between nine and ten
o’clock. She did not know her sister was so bad, as she had slept with
her, and on Wednesday had given her a pint basin of gruel and bread.
The jury returned the following verdict “That the deceased died of
disease, accelerated by the neglect of Mrs. Crisp, her sister.”
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Maidstone Journal and Kentish Advertiser, Thursday 20 June 1895.
The "Papermakers Arms," Loose.
Mr. S. J. Langton made an application in the matter of the licence
of the "Papermakers Arms," Loose, which was recently destroyed by
fire. The owners, the Northfleet Brewery Company, now wished to
inform the bench that the house was to be re-erected on exactly the
same site, and later on an application would be made for a new
licence.
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From the
https://www.kentonline.co.uk By KentOnline reporter, 29 August 2008.
New life for old pub?
The Papermakers' Arms: destined for new homes.
Time has been called on a pub.
The Papermakers’ Arms, Loose Road, Maidstone, is vacant and destined for
demolition if plans before Maidstone council are approved.
Development company Brookheath wants to build a block of six one and
two-bed apartments at the front of the site, and a further five houses
on the pub’s parking area behind.
The new development would extend behind the rear gardens of numbers 511
to 525 Loose Road, and abut the gardens of properties in Berwyn Grove.
The applicants say the pub would not be missed since the "Swan" pub in one
direction, and the "Walnut Tree" in the other, are both “within five
minutes’ walk”.
However, the scheme has been criticised by South Ward Cllr Ian
Chittenden, who has called it in for examination by the planning
committee.
The scheme density equates to 89 dwellings per hectare, well above the
normal minimum of 30 dph.
Cllr Chittenden said the scheme was unsympathetic to the area, had
insufficient landscaping and with only five proposed parking spaces
would result in overspill parking on the already congested Loose Road.
The standard ratio of 1.5 parking spaces per dwelling would suggest that
17 spaces were needed.
The scheme is also opposed by the North Loose Residents’ Association.
People have until September 11 to submit comments on the proposal to
Maidstone council. Details can be viewed under application number
08/1559 on the council website:
www.digitalmaidstone.co.uk
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The pub has now been completely demolished (2022) and replaced by houses.
A lovely pub gone. Jeff East.
Above Google image, August 2021. The driveway to the left side
led to the former pub's car park. A house has been built on this car
park. The Lane is now called Papermakers Court. |
LICENSEE LIST
WILKINS Edward 1858-74+ (also bricklayer age 51 in 1871 )
TURNER Alfred 1881+ (also engine fitter age 32 in 1881 )
MARTIN William 1882+
KING Frederick W 1891-Feb/93 (age 31 in 1891 )

SAYERS Frederick Feb/1893+

FIRNESS/FITNESS Arthur Nov/1901-03+

LARKIN George R 1913-30+
SPICER Albert Edward 1938+
HARRISON ???? 1950s?
https://pubwiki.co.uk/PaperMakersArms.shtml
Census
Maidstone
and Kentish Journal
From the Kelly's Directory 1903
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