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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1700s-

Red Lion

Latest ????

(Name to)

17 Greenwich Road

Greenwich

Red Lion painting 1700s

I am not yet positive that this picture is of the correct "Red Lion" (possibly not or has it been painted with artistic license?) as I have found several in this area, but this also shows the "Three Tuns" on the left. Is that also a church seen in the background, if so which one?

Red Lion 1952

Above photo, 1952.

 

The pub changed name to the "Greenwich Inn," date unknown.

 

Project 2014 has been started to try and identify all the pubs that are and have ever been open in Kent. I have just added this pub to that list but your help is definitely needed regarding it's history.

As the information is found or sent to me, including photographs, it will be shown here.

Thanks for your co-operation.

 

From the Maidstone Gazette and West Kent Courier, 27 March, 1827.

Sarah Emery, 21, for stealing at St. Paul's Deptford, a £50 banknote, and other money the property of Henry Matthews.

Joseph Thomas Rogers, a coach trimmer, lodged at the "Red Lion," Greenwich Road. About 7 o'clock on the 18th January, prisoner was there with prosecutors; they sat in a black box, and had a glass of gin and water. Prosecutor was intoxicated. About an hour after, he fell off the seat. She asked witness to help him home, and said he should be paid for his trouble. He did so, and they went to a house in a street next to King Street. She took a key from her pocket, but an old lady inside open the door. She was going to shut it as soon as prisoner and prosecutor were in, but witness was admitted by desire of the girl. Prisoner and prosecutor went upstairs for about an hour. The old lady begged of witness to help the man down. Prosecutor and prisoner went out. Shortly after, prisoner returned to the house, and invited witness upstairs. She then showed him a £50 note, and asked him what it was; witness said it was a £5. She said she would go with her to get it changed, he should have half. She went into a jeweller's shop; before she went in she gave him a £50 note to hold. He ran away with it to the "Red Lion," and told the landlord. When afterwards went before a Constable.

Mr. Brown, the landlord, advertise the note; 5 or 6 days afterwards prosecutor called on him. Rogers was shown to prosecutor. In consequence witness gave the note to prosecutor.

Henry Matthews depose that he went with a girl to the "Red Lion," but could not stat the hour. He had a £50, a £20, and a £5 note, 5 sovereigns, some loose silver, and a gilt medal. About 8:30 or 9 o'clock he missed his money. He afterwards saw the £50 notes at Mr. Brown's and knew it by the number. He was intoxicated when he was in company with prisoner, and could not identify her again. He had no recollection of what passed that evening, except finding his money gone. At 6 o'clock he had it in his possession, as he was walking from Lewisham to Deptford.

Benjamin Cole, constable of Deptford, apprehended prisoner on the 15th of February, at Woolwich, and told her why he did so. He said it was for robbing a gentleman on the 18th of January, of a £50 note another notes. She said she was very sorry, and hoped witness would do the best he could for her. He asked her what she had done with the money? She said the young man who got the £50, and she change the £20 note to the jeweller's shop in the London Road. She said she had given her own name and address to the shopkeeper, where she changed the note. Witness went next morning to that shop.

Not guilty.

Prosecutor asked his lordship for his expensive. His lordship said in a very expressive manor said "certainly not."

Prosecutor is a man moving in a respectful sphere of life.

 

From the Borough of Greenwich Free Press, 22 November, 1856.

COURT OF QUEENS BENCH.

(Before Mr. Justice Crompton, and a Common Jury.

Hobbs v. Corbett.

Mr. Serjeant Parry and Mr. Worslev, instructed by Messrs. Bristow, appeared for the plaintiff; and Mr. Serjeant Shee, and Mr. Woods, instructed by Mr. Binns, appeared for the defendant.

The declaration in this cause alleged that the plaintiff being a contractor under the Board of Works for the district of Greenwich, the defendant spoke certain false, scandalous, malicious, and defamatory words, of and concerning the plaintiff in his capacity of contractor.

The defendant pleaded "Not guilty."

It appeared from the statement of the plaintiff's counsel that he was a paving contractor under the Board of Works for the Greenwich district. In the month of August last, some stone, the property of the board, had been stolen; two men in his employment were arrested on suspicion, and taken before the magistrate on the 25th of August. After the examination plaintiff went to the "Red Lion" public-house, in company with a person named Thompson. There were two detective policemen in the room.

Defendant came in the room and said, "It is a b------ shame that the poor men should be in prison and the master out. He could prove that the plaintiff had stolen 100 feet of stone from the parish, and that he had got up at 5 o'clock in the morning and buried it in his yard, and that he could prove it." These words formed the subject of the present action. Plaintiff replied it was a gross accusation, and he would appeal to the magistrate. He immediately went to the police office, but Mr. Traill would not interfere; he then returned to the "Red Lion." In his absence defendant had repeated the charge; the result was that the constables went to plaintiffs yard to make search, but they found nothing except two small pieces of Purbeck stone, which Mr. Hughes, the district inspector had given to plaintiff. The defendant had not since apologized or made any retraction.

The plaintiff, Samuel Hobbs, was then examined. He stated that after he left the police-office he met the inspector, who said "This is a pretty report about you Mr. Hobbs." He then went into the "Red Lion." He was telling Thompson what the inspector had just said, when the defendant came in and said,

"It is a b----- shame that the two poor men should be in and the master out," pointing to him, said, "you I mean." He told him it was a gross accusation; that he had never stolen anything, and would not let it rest. Defendant replied, "He did not care a d---; he could prove everything he said." Thompson said it was time the plaintiff did something. He immediately went to Mr. Traill, who, however, refused to interfere. He returned to the "Red Lion." Defendant was still there. Crouch the detective, informed him that after the charge made by the defendant, he should search his premises. He said he had no objection. He was about to propose it. They all went to the yard. When they entered he pointed out two small pieces of Purbeck-stone which Mr. Hughes had given him, and asked the defendant to show out where the missing stone was. Defendant said he did not know where it was, but the man who had unloaded the cart knew, and that it was the constable’s business to find it out. He then ordered the defendant to leave the yard. Nothing was found in the yard. Defendant is a stonemason at Lewisham.

Cross-examined by Mr. Serjeant Shee:— The men against whom the charge was made were in his employment. The old pavement had been left lying along the road, and Mr. Hughes and he thought some of it had been removed. He did not take any of it, except the two little pieces of Purbeck-stone, which were removed in his cart. He told Thompson that somebody had reported to the inspector that he had stolen the stone. Defendant then used the words charged.

Mr. Hughes, the inspector to the Board of Works at Greenwich, was present at the "Red Lion." The defendant said the men were in prison for taking 100 feet of stone, but their master had the other 100, and nothing done to him. He replied that he did not believe it, but if it was true he would put the matter in the hands of the police. After plaintiff left defendant told the constable that if he did not search plaintiffs yard he would not be doing his duty; he (defendant) could take him there and show the stone. After plaintiff came back they went up to the yard. When he got there defendant said he could not show where the stone was, but the carman knew all about it. They searched the place, but could not find any. He remembered having given the plaintiff the two pieces of Purbeck stone in exchange for a little carting job.

Cross-examined:— He had not since discovered who took the stone.

The two police constables and Thompson, who were all present at the transactions, were then examined. Their account did not vary materially from that given by the other witnesses, but none of them proved the use of the exact words laid in the declaration.

At the close of the plaintiffs case Mr. Serjeant Shee, submitted that there was no proof of the declaration.

After some discussion, His Lordship expressed a hope that an arrangement might be come to.

Mr. Serjeant Shee, on behalf of the defendant expressed his conviction that there was not the slightest foundation for the charge, and that the plaintiff left the court without any imputation on his character.

A verdict was then taken for the plaintiff for 40s. with the understanding that his Lordship should certify for costs.

 

Orr's Kentish Journal, 14 June 1862.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.

George Gorman, 50, a hawker, was charged with passing a counterfeit half-crown at the house of Mr. C. Cox, "Red Lion," Greenwich, and was remanded.

 

From the Borough of Greenwich Free Press, 14 June, 1862.

George Goman, address refused, was remanded on a charge of passing counterfeit money at the "Red Lion," Greenwich Road.

 

 

 

LICENSEE LIST

BROWN George 1823-27+ Pigot's Directory 1823

SANDWELL Richard 1832-34+ Pigot's Directory 1832-34

JUTSUM John 1840+

CUBITT Thomas 1858+

COX William 1862-Sept/70

OVERTON Arthur H Sept/1870-71+ (age 39 in 1871Census)

WARREN William & Frederick James 1874+

PRATT Edward 1881+ (age 61 in 1881Census)

WARREN Frederick James 1882+

WARREN Elizabeth 1891-96+ (widow age 43 in 1891Census)

PERON William 1901-Feb/08 Next pub licensee had

PERRY John Arthur 1908-14+

HOPKIN George Herbert 1919+

STEPHENS Fras 1938+

DONOVAN Denis C 1944+

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Pigot's Directory 1823From the Pigot's Directory 1823

Pigot's Directory 1832-34From the Pigot's Directory 1832-33-34

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