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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1695-

Sun in the Wood

Latest 1893

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52 High Street

Brompton

 

In 1869-70 the pub was part of a consortium who were advertising their goods of selling tea in response to grocers' selling beer and wine. (Click for further details.)

 

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12 July 1791.

Insured:- James, Richard and George Best, Kent Brewers.

The Sun in the Wood, Brompton, Henry Stroud, victualler.

 

Kentish Gazette6 July 1802.

Sunday died at Brompton, after a lingering illness, Mr. G. Rockcliffe, master of the "Sun in the Wood," public house, in that place.

 

Kentish Gazette, Friday 10 June 1808.

Married. June 6th, Chatham, Mr. Terry, Sen.. of the "Sun in the Wood," Brompton, to Mrs. Phillips, of the same place.

 

From the Kentish Gazette, 5 December 1848.

AWFUL INSTANCE OF SUDDEN DEATH. Nov. 27th.

An inquest was held this afternoon, by J. Hinde, Esq., one of the coroners for West Kent, at the "Sun in the Wood," High-street, Brompton, touching the death of Mr. George Butcher, an elderly gentleman, who resided at Maidstone. The deceased had been visiting his son-in-law. Mr. Smith, at Brompton, since Tuesday, and on Saturday morning last, about a quarter before 10 o'clock, he left Mr. Smith’s house in perfect health with a grand-daughter to go to Maidstone by the quarter past ten o’clock omnibus, and he entered the Eagle Coach Office, at Chatham, to secure his place; he had not been there but a few moments, when he suddenly fell, and, on being raised up, he was found to be dead. Dr. Richard Martin and another medical gentleman were in immediate attendance, but their services were of no avail; death was instantaneous. The body was afterwards removed to his son-in-law’s, at Brompton. The verdict of the Jury was, "that the deceased died by the visitation of God." He for many years was the principal fireman of the Ordnance, at Chatham, and for the last nine years he has resided at Maidstone on his property.

 

Chatham News, Saturday 5 September 1863.

A water case.

Mr. Samuel Munn, baker, Brompton, was summoned on a charge of unlawfully taking a quantity of water belonging to the waterworks company, on the 22nd of August.

Mr. Bassett appeared for defendants; and Mr. Bolton, Secretary, attended to watch the case on the part of the company.

Mr. W. B. Love, collector for the Water Company, knew the defendant; he was not supplied with water by the company.

William Osborne said he was at Brompton on the 22nd, between 7 and 8 o'clock; saw the defendant's lad go round from Mr. Munn's house with a cart; he went to Middle Street and up Broad Alley towards Wood Street; he went into the back gate of the "Sun in the Wood;" he (witness) went to the bar of the "Sun in the wood," and saw Mr. Munn's cart go in the yard; saw the boy drawing water from the Company's tap into a pale; he threw it on the card, to wash it; drew another pale; asked him who ordered him to wash the cart with the water; he said Mr. Munn; the cart had been drawn round by the boy; told Mr. Munn that he (witness) had got him again; he begged that he would say nothing about it, as it would get Mrs. Palmer into trouble; it was not a public water tap.

By Mr. Bassett:- The boy did not say he was employed by Mrs. Palmer, but by Mr. Munn; Mr. Munn used to keep a pony at Mrs. Palmer's; he (defendant) had told him that he paid one shilling a quarter for the use of the water to Mrs. Palmer. Mr. Munn was not present when the water was drawn.

By Mr. Bolton:- Knew the cart belong to Mr. Munn.

Mr. Bassett address the Bench, and called Henry Gilbert, 16, who said he was employed by Mrs. Palmer, landlady of the "Sun in the Wood," Brompton; on the 22nd Mr. Munn's cart was in the yard, and Mrs. Palmer told him he might clean the cart; Mr. Munn did not tell him to take the water; Mr. Munn did not tell him to clean the cart; Mr. Munn keeps his pony at Mrs. Palmers.

By Mr. Bolton:- Took the car to the yard without telling Mr. Munn what he was going to do; Mr. Munn helped him to push the cart into the yard; he was not present when he washed the cart; received no wages from Mr. Munn; Mrs. Palmer paid him 2s. a week, and gave him permission to wash the cart.

Mr. Bassett said that was the case; when Mr. Bolton said the evidence of the last witness had so taken him by surprise that he wished to produce further evidence.

Mr. Bassett said in that case he should also claim to produce another witness; and if Mr. Bolton persisted in bringing further evidence, he would ask for an adjournment.

During a conversation Mr. Bassett discovered that the witness, Mr. Bolton was about to produce had been in court during the proceedings, when his witness (the boy) has been ordered to leave the court; he thought this witness ought not to be heard.

Adjourned till next Monday.

 

From the Kentish Gazette, 29 August 1865.

CORONER’S INQUEST.

On Thursday Mr. Thomas Hills, the coroner for Chatham, held an inquiry at the "Sun in the Wood Tavern," Brompton, adjoining Brompton barracks, to investigate the circumstances attending the murder of Major F. H. de Vere, R.E., who was killed by a rifle-ball, fired by Sapper John Currie from one of the barrack-room windows at the time Major de Vere was in command of the officers and men on the parade-ground. The inquiry attracted considerable interest, and, as will be seen, some additional evidence of highly important character was adduced to the Jury, which would tend in some decree to throw light on the prisoner’s object in shooting down his commanding officer.

Currie, the accused, was not present before the Jury, the prisoner having been removed the previous evening on the magistrate’s warrant to the county gaol at Maidstone, to await his trial for the wilful murder of Major de Vere. During his removal from Chatham to Maidstone he still maintained the same dogged demeanour which he has displayed throughout, which would appear to arise not so much from ignorance as from a kind of bravado, the prisoner being described as having, in common with all the sappers and miners of the Royal Engineers, been fairly educated. Only once has he alluded to his crime, and then in terms in which he maintains that he has done right in murdering his commanding officer.

The Jury, of which Mr. Honey was the foreman, was selected from among the most intelligent of the tradesmen in the neighbourhood of Brompton barracks. After they had been sworn the Coroner briefly alluded to the nature of the inquiry on which they had entered. They were all, doubtless, acquainted with the melancholy circumstances under which Major de Vere came by his death, and therefore there would be no necessity for his taking up their time in detailing them. Their first duty would now be to view the body.

The jury then proceeded to view the body, which lay in the same room at Brompton barracks to which it had been taken immediately after Major dc Vere had received the fatal bullet wound, and where the unfortunate officer died.

On the return of the Coroner and jury the following evidence was taken:—

Lieutenant Arthur George Durnford, R.E., examined:- On Friday, the 11th inst., the officers and men of the Royal Engineers were on the parade-ground at Brompton-barracks. The deceased, who was first-captain of Royal Engineers, and major in the British army, was in command. He was 36 years of age. I was also present on the parade-ground. Soon after 1 o’clock p.m. I heard the repot of a rifle, and on looking round I saw Major de Vere in Captain Hime’s arms, apparently in a fainting condition. I went to his assistance, and helped to carry him off the parade-ground. Just after I heard the report I heard Major de Vere say "Oh my God!" twice, and immediately became insensible. We got about half-way across the parade when, by direction of Dr. Seddall, we laid deceased on the ground. I then heard some one say the shot was fired from one of the windows, on which I went to the guard-room and sent men to be posted at the back doors of K and L houses on that side of the barrack-square, to prevent men leaving the houses. I also posted men at the front doors. On arriving at K house I saw Sapper Mason running out, and on my stopping him he told no the man who fired the shot was in that house I went upstairs to a front room, and there I found Sapper John Currie, R.E., standing in a room by himself. There was a smell of gunpowder in the room, but no smoke. I said to Currie, "Did you do this?" He said, "Yes, Sir."

I then asked for his rifle and pouch, which he pointed out to me, but did not give me. The rifle was in the armband and the pouch hanging up by his bed. The rifle had been just discharged, and there was deficient from the pouch one round of ball cartridge and two caps. There was an exploded cup on the nipple of the rifle. Nothing more passed between me and the prisoner, and I then went with him to the guard-room, where he was placed in custody.

By the Coroner:- When I saw Major de Vere in the arms of Captain Hime I saw blood on his trousers, coming from under his coat, and I found blood on my own coat and glove from assisting him.

By the Jury:- Currie did not attempt to assign any reason for the act, and nothing more passed beyond what I have stated.

By the Coroner:- The rifle and pouch are now in my charge.

William Mason, Sapper, R.E., deposed:- On the 11th of August inst. I was cook’s mate in No. 3 room, K house, Brompton barracks. About a quarter past one I heard a noise, but did not know what it was. At first I thought it was the noise of a wall of some building falling. I looked out of the window, and on the parade saw Major de Vere in the arms of some of the officers. I went into No. 4 room to call Currie’s attention to it. I expected he would be there, because he was cook’s mate in that room.

I found him there, and I said to him, "My God, Currie, there’s Major de Vere shot! Did you see it?" He said, "Yes I did it." I remarked, "You did it!" To which he replied, "Yes; why shouldn’t I shoot the old ----?” He did not say anything more. I then left the room, leaving Currie there sitting on his bed. I met Mr. Durnford, the last witness, near the door of K house, and told him what I had seen. I then went into the room before him, and found Currie still sitting on his bed. I heard Mr. Durnford say to him, "Are you the man?" or somethin to that effect. Currie replied, "Yes, Sir." I saw Currie point out his rifle and pouch to Mr. Durnford, who took possession of them. I did not hear him say anything else to Lieutenant Durnford, who took him to the guard-room.

A Juror to witness:- Had the prisoner been drinking that morning?

I had seen Currie several times before that morning, and he was quite sober. I saw him the last time about a quarter before 12, and I then noticed nothing peculiar in his manner; he was quite calm and composed.

By the Juror:- He made no observation to me about this matter before it happened, and never spoke to me about taking the life of Major de Vere. He was quite cheerful and joking that morning.

A Juror:- Did he ever say anything to you as to how he had been treated by Major de Vere?

He may have spoken of Major de Vere’s harshness, as some of the men had, but I cannot recollect his saying anything to me about it.

By the Jury:- I cannot say whether he left the room that morning.

A Juror:- Do you know if any lots were drawn by your men to do this?

I never heard of any concocted plans to take Major de Vere's life, and I believe the report to that effect to be a lie.

A Juror:- Was Currie under punishment before this, and if so, state what it was?

He had six days in the cell?, I believe, for refusing to work.

Why did he refuse to work?

I believe it was because the Major checked his pay.

A Juror:- There are a great many floating rumours about this case, and the jury would like to have the matter set right.

Why Currie refused to work was, I heard, because his pay was checked.

The Coroner:- I can’t have what one man or another told him. The rules of evidence won’t allow that kind of secondary evidence. Pray don’t ask the witness questions he does not know of his own knowledge.

A Juror to witness:- Who had the power to stop his pay?

Major de Vere had, but whether it was done so by his orders in this case I cannot say of my own knowledge.

A Juror:- Do you know if his hair was cut short?

It was cut short when he was sent to the cells; this is part of the punishment.

Had the Major power to punish him without calling in another officer?

No, he had no power to sentence a man to punishment without the sanction of the colonel.

Lieutenant Durnford:- That is not, quite right. The colonel alone hears the evidence and always orders the punishment.

A Juror:- When an officer is Field Instructor can’t he inflict a punishment?

Lieutenant Durnford:- He can only check him his working pay, but not sentence him to the cells.

By the Jury:- Currie was a sober, well-conducted man.

I knew Currie had been punished two or three times.

A Juror remarked that it had been stated that the deceased officer had been rebuked by the colonel for his undue punishment of Currie, and it was right that that should be cleared up.

The Coroner said he could not go into that. This was a matter in which the Jury could ask any questions they pleased, but it was hardly fair to put these questions to the witness, who could not answer them of his own knowledge.

A Juror:- In what estimation was Major de Vere held by the men in the corps?

The Coroner:- That is an unfair question. To ask a private sapper what was the general opinion of his commanding officer was not altogether proper.

A Juror:- This is an important inquiry, and it is proper that this matter should, if possible, be cleared up.

The Coroner:- But I can’t take that kind of evidence.

One of the Jury suggested that the "punishment-sheet" should be produced before them, and Lieutenant Durnford accordingly proceeded to the barracks to procure it.

On this document being produced it appeared that Currie had formerly been in the 5th Lancers, in which he enlisted in March, 1864. While in that corps he was confined for 28 days for a breach of his duty, and was also awarded other punishments. On the 1st of September, 1864, he was transferred to the Royal Engineers, since which it appeared he had been four times under punishment for "exceeding his pass and returning drunk," for which he was admonished; on the 26th of May he was charged with disobedience of orders and refusing to work, for which he was ordered 144 hours’ garrison duty; on the 26th of June he was absent from tattoo, for which he was stopped one day’s pay, and was confined for 10 days to the cells; on the 6th of August, a few days before his shooting at Major de Vere, he was sentenced to three days’ cells, and to mount extra patrols, for being absent from patrol for 50 minutes.

Corporal George Pring, Royal Engineers, deposed:- I was in the non-commissioned officers’ mess-room on the 11th of August, when I heard the report of a rifle. I afterwards proceeded with Lieutenant Durnford to No. 4 room, K house. I there saw Currie standing by the side of the table, facing the square. Sapper Mason had been there before me. I heard the officer ask him if he was the man that had done it. Currie said, "Yes." The officer then asked him where his rifle was, on which Currie pointed his finger to the place where it was standing. He also pointed to his pouch hanging over the rifle. I heard no other conversation pass between the officer and Currie. I cannot recollect having seen him before that morning, and he was not in my company.

By the Jury:- Currie had no appearance of having been drinking that morning. When I seized him by the arm he never spoke.

Superintendent Thomas Robert Everist deposed:- From information I received on the 11th inst., I came to Brompton-barracks, and took the accused, John Currie, in charge from the guard-room. I conveyed him to the police-station, when I charged him with shooting, with intent to kill, Major de Vere, and read the charge to him. He said, "Very well," and made no other remark. Since he has been in custody I have visited him frequently in the cells, and told him how the Major was. On one occasion he said, "I am happy for what I have done. I think I have done right, and I hope God will forgive me." On Wednesday I informed him that the Major was dead. He replied, "Is he? What time did he die?" I answered, "At a quarter to 10 the night before," and that he (Currie) would now be charged with the murder. He said, "All right," and the sat down.

By the Jury:- When I took him in charge he was quite sober. He has never given any reason for what he had done beyond what I have said. He has always behaved in a very quiet manner since he has been in custody.

James Balfour Cockburn, M.D., deposed:- I am surgeon of the Royal Engineers. The deceased came under my care on the 11th inst. He was then suffering from a gunshot wound of the chest. I continued to attend him throughout up to the period of his death, which occurred on Tuesday night at a quarter before 10, at the quarters in Brompton-barracks, to which he had been removed. I have made a post-mortem examination of the body of the deceased. I found that the bullet had entered posteriorly the costal space of the fifth and sixth ribs, going in a direction slightly outwards, perforating and passing completely through the left lung, coming out immediately at the inner side of the left nipple, smashing the fifth rib in its progress outwards. That is the course of the bullet. The left lung was almost completely disorganized from the intensity of the inflammation. The other organs of the body were principally healthy. The condition of the lungs was the cause of death, and that state was brought about solely by the gunshot wound. I have known the deceased all the time he has been at Chatham, ever since he first joined this establishment. I knew him before in the Crimea. At the time Major de Vere received the bullet he must have been standing slightly on one side, towards the Crimean Arch, for the bullet to have taken that course.

The Coroner said that was the whole of the evidence to be laid before the jury, and, if they wished it, he would read over the whole of the evidence to them; but he really did not see that there was any necessity for his doing so.

The jury intimated that there was no necessity for the Coroner to go through the evidence.

The Coroner then proceeded to remark that the points to which it would be necessary for the jury to direct their attention were first, whether the wound which the deceased, Major de Vere, had received was inflicted by Currie; and, secondly, whether it was sufficient to cause death. With regard to the first point, the accused admitted that he did it, and they had the statement he made to the officer after the occurrence in evidence, and therefore it would be absurd for them to come to any other conclusion than that the shot had been fired by Currie. Then they had the evidence of Mr. Cockburn that the deceased died from the effects of the wound he had received. The law held that whenever a person came to his death at the hands of another the party who so caused it was prima facie guilty of murder. There were, however, circumstances which occasionally reduced, murder to that of manslaughter, but in this case no such ingredient arose, as it was either wilful murder or it was nothing. It was gratifying to know from the lips of one of the witnesses that the statement of there being a compact among the men to shoot Major de Vere was, as he forcibly expressed it, "a lie." He (the Coroner) was glad to hear it, for nothing, he believed, could be worse for this country than that a number of men should conspire together to commit a crime of this nature. But even had that been the case it would not have reduced the magnitude of the crime which Currie had committed, while it would have shown that others were equally guilty with him. The Jury had the whole case now before them, and they would now consider the verdict they would return.

In answer to the Jury, the Coroner said if a man died within a year and a day after receiving his injuries at the hands of another, the accused would be deemed guilty of wilful murder the same as if he had died immediately afterwards.

The Jury, after deliberating about half an hour, returned a verdict of "Wilful murder against John Currie."

 

Maidstone Journal and Kentish Advertiser, Tuesday 15 April 1890.

A complainant to pay costs, or go to prison.

On Wednesday, at the Borough Police Court, James Edward Cranham, a Metropolitan Police Constable, Charles Burrows, County Police Constable, and Henry Bladon, a private in the Royal Marines, was summoned for assaulting Edward Cranham, father of the first name defendants.

Mr. G. Clinch appeared for the defence.

Complainant, a bricklayer, living at 11, Albert Terrace, Shooter's Hill, said that on Sunday, 23rd March, he went to the "Railway Bell," where his wife lived. It was about 20 minutes or quarter to ten in the morning. As he was going in the door he was met by his son, and knocked back into the road. Then the other defendants attacked him and they "had him for over a quarter of an hour before he managed to get down to the station, knocking and kicking him about the road." They were all alike. Two railway porters then assisted him, and the defendant's ran away.

Complainant, cross-examined by Mr. Clinch, said that up to October last he kept the "Sun in the Wood" public house, Old Brompton, but was "sold out." Since that time he had not seen his wife, and had not allowed her a penny towards the maintenance of herself and children. On the day before the occurrence in question he found out where his wife was living, and going there he told was told to leave the house. On the Sunday he was perfectly sober. He threatened to strike his little girl with a twig; she called him an old beast.

Mr. Clinch, handing complainant a book; What is that?

Complainant:- A book showing bets on horse racing. It shows losses but not wins (laughter).

Yes:- here is a win of £3.

Mr. Clinch:- Is not that how you lost your money while at the "Sun in the wood?"

Complainant:- No; you will find wins on every page.

Mr. Bewley (magistrate's clerk):- Why, on every page is it "Lost, lost, lost!"

Mr. Clinch describe the proceedings as an impudent attempt to get men convicted for assault, under false pretences. Complainants wife and two daughters have been turned into the street to starve for all the complainant cared. Mrs. Cranham was supported by her friends for some time, and then Mr. Winch kindly put her into the "Railway Bell" to enable her to own her own living. Directly she was pulling herself around, the complainant visited the house and created a disturbance; and he (Mr. Clinch) contended that it was a justifiable act to eject him from the premises. No more force than was necessary was used.

Mrs. Cranham, who appeared very much upset, bore out Mr. Clinch's statement as to being left homeless and penniless by the complainant in October, and she saw no more of him until 22nd March, when he went to her house and created a disturbance. A policeman was sent for and he left, but came again the next evening and tried to force his way in. Witness did not see him ejected, as he was in the back-parlour.

The bench dismissed the case, with costs, and Lieutenant-Colonel Sankey said he thought complainant ought to be ashamed of himself to put his head inside a Court of Justice.

The costs amounted to £1 15s, including the fare of Burrows, from Herne Bay, and Cranham, from London.

Complainant said he had not the money, whereupon the Chairman said he must go to prison for 14 days in default.

The Bench granted Mrs. Cranham a protection order.

Ultimately, the complainant made arrangements for the payment of the costs.

 

LICENSEE LIST

STROUD Henry 1792+

ROCKLIFFE G Mr to July/1802 dec'd

CROUCH Richard 1828+ Pigot's Directory 1828-29 (Sun)

CROUCH Mary 1832+ Pigot's Directory 1832-34

PALMER Charles W 1851+ (age 45 in 1851Census)

PALMER Eliza 1858-63+ (widow age 56 in 1861Census)

ANDREWS George 1869-74+

CRANHAM Edward Next pub licensee had 1881-Oct/89 (age 34 in 1881Census)

ROBINSON Alexander 1891+ (age 45 in 1891Census)

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Pigot's Directory 1828-29From the Pigot's Directory 1828-29

Pigot's Directory 1832-34From the Pigot's Directory 1832-33-34

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