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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1858-

Redan

Latest 1882

(Name to)

153 Middle Street

Deal

Redan drawing

Above drawing by Peter Hollingsworth & Co, Building and Electrical contractors who have recently (2017) been responsible for renovating the building. https://www.pahollingworth.co.uk/casestudy

Clifton Hotel garden

The above photo shows the gardens at the back of the "Redan" although when the photograph was taken the name had changed to the "Clifton Hotel." I am informed by Simon Gregory whose photo it was taken from, the following:- The view of Redan, formerly the "Clifton Hotel," shows the tea rooms in the garden attached to the back of the building in Middle Street.

The vast building was once owned by Deal’s great benefactor, Sir Ernest Justice Charles, who lived along the seafront at ‘Bruce House’. He changed the style of the gardens so that they now belong to that seafront property.

My grandfather, Morgan Jones, a fiery Welsh miner, was employed by Sir Ernest as live in caretaker when the large rooms below were let out as a Boxing Club and Scout Hall.

I was born in ‘Redan’ and my own story of living there as a child until my family was rehoused in a prefab at Upper Deal, is told in ‘The Prefab Kid’.

It will be mentioned briefly in my forthcoming book ( August 2021 ) “Secret Deal and Walmer’ to be published by Amberley Press.

Gregory Holyoake (Deal’s Historian).

 

This premises I have found mentioned once when as reported in the Deal, Walmer & Sandwich Telegram on 15 September 1858 at the Petty Sessions Licensing Day, and states:-

William Peckham applied for a spirit licence for the "Redan," in Middle Street. Request refused, however, he was still there in 1874 and is listed in the Post Office Directory of the same year under publicans.

According to David G. Collyer, while being altered on one occasion when the carpenters working on the staircase saw the figure of of a lady, dressed like old-fashioned milkmaid descend the staircase, then vanish through a wall. The two workmen fled, leaving their task unfinished, and refused to return.

On 3 September 1896 the Deal Licensing Register reported that the pub changed name to the "Clifton Hotel". But according to licensee records must have changed around about 1882 at the latest.

 

153 Middle Street

The above photograph, kindly sent by Patricia Streater, shows 153 Middle Street as it is today, but I don't believe this to be the "Redan." I believe the numbering of the street changed and the house we are looking for is today numbered 102. See "Clifton" which the "Redan" was later called.

Regarding the renumbering of Middle Street, Deal. The numbers went consecutively along one side of the road and then back down the other. Nobody is certain when the renumbering took place for definite but seems to be started in 1878 and finished by 1898. It ended up being odd numbers on one side of the road and even on the other. (Patricia Streater.)

153 Middle Street

Above photo also from Patricia Streater show a better view of the street. Street renumbering does prove confusing.

 

LICENSEE LIST

PECKHAM William 1858-74 (age 54 in 1861Census) Deal TelegramPost Office Directory 1866Post Office Directory 1874Kelly's 1874 alehouse

PARROTT James White 1881+ (age 57 in 1881Census)

https://pubwiki.co.uk/Redan.shtml

 

Deal TelegramFrom the Deal Telegram

Post Office Directory 1866From the Post Office Directory 1866-67

Post Office Directory 1874From the Post Office Directory 1874

Kelly's 1874From the Kelly's Directory 1874

CensusCensus

 

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