117 Beach Street (139 in 1847 & 78
)
Deal
Above photo, circa 1893, kindly sent by Rory Kehoe. |
Above picture taken from Google maps 2010. |
Earliest mention of this pub being in 1821 and obviously named after Sir
William Sydney (Sidney) Smith, who retired from duty as full Admiral in the
same year.
The Deal Licensing Register shows that on 12th December 1861 licensee
Joseph Maxted gained permission to open at 4 o'clock in the morning.
The license was refused in 1869 but granted again in 1870.
From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
18 September, 1869. 1d.
ADJOURNED LICENSES
(Before the Mayor, S. Pritchard, W. M. Cavell, J. Iggulden, G. Hughes
and R. Hassell, Esqrs.
On Mr. Maxted, the landlord of the "Sir Sydney Smith," applying his
license, which was one of those suspended on the previous Thursday, Mr.
Henry Duncan Reynolds handed in a couple of letters to the Mayor, and
afterwards made the following statement on oath: "I live at No. 136,
Beach Street, two doors from the "Sir Sydney Smith." I wish to complain
of the character of that house, on account of the disorderly manner in
which it is conducted. I refer especially to what has happened during
the last 10 months - such as fighting and use of profound language, both
by persons who frequent the house as well as between the landlord and
his wife. I have seen all this personally, but it has been so continuous
that I am not able to give particular dates. I have suffered very
serious inconvenience in my family from this conduct, and when my
daughter was lying ill the noise and uproar was continued during the
whole time, which was some few months since. I have never made any
representation to the landlord. I am authorised to put in the
communication from Mr. Cole, who resides next door to the house in
question; but the other, from Mrs. Harding, also a next door neighbour,
although it states I may make what use I like of the letter, is of a
more private character. [Mr. Edwards read the letter from Mr. Cole,
which was to the effect that the house was so improperly conducted that
he had been obliged to give his landlord notice to leave.] If the house
was worse conducted at any one particular time it was whilst a Mrs.
Marsh, who resides at the North-end was there. She had a daughter living
at the house, and the language on this occasion was more excessively
bad. - Mr. Renolds also stated that he was very reluctant to complain,
but assured the Bench that the house had got so bad that he did not
think he should be doing his duty as a father or as a citizen if he did
not come forward and make the complaint. He had no animosity against Mr.
Hills, and if he could find another tenant for the house he would be the
first to sign a testimonial. He did sincerely hope, however, the
Magistrates would not grant a fresh license to the present tenant.
Mr. Maxted, the landlord, said there had occasionally been some rough
characters in his house, but he had always done his best to get them out
as quickly as possible.
Mr. S. Pritchard was then sworn. He said: I am owner of the next
house to the "Sir Sydney Smith," and Mr. Cole, who is a tenant of mine,
is the person referred to. He has several times complained to me of the
noise and disturbance at the "Sir Sydney Smith," and also of the house
being kept open till two o'clock in the morning. He has been in the
house two years and has made complaints almost from the beginning of his
tenancy. He has reported this to me several times, as often as twice in
one day I believe, and I have directed him to go to the Mayor. He has
now given me notice to quit solely on the ground that he could not live
there in consequence of the noise. He stated that to be his sole reason
for leaving. I am very sorry to lose him, as he was a very good tenant.
Mr. Iggulden (to Mr. Reynolds): Do women of bad character frequent
this house?
Mr. Reynolds: It is rumoured so, but of course I could not describe
it, as I do not frequent the house.
Mr. Maxted said Mr. Cole always had his ale and beer of him for his
lodgers and it was therefore rather strange that he had never complained
to him. He said he thought the house was one of the quietest houses that
there was. As to what persons did after they went out of his (Maxted's)
house, of course he could not help.
Supt. Parker was next called. He deposed as follows: On several
occasions I and the rest of the police have been called to the "Sir
Sydney Smith" to quell rows, but it has generally been by Mr. Maxted
himself. On one occasion, bit I can't give the date, Mr. Cavell came to
me and informed me of a disturbance there was at this house, and on my
going there I found a young man named Marsh making a noise. nearly the
whole of these disturbances arise from that family. He was brother to
the young woman that was locked up last week. I ordered him out of the
house, and he went away quietly. His sister lives at the "Sir Sydney
Smith," but I don't know in what capacity, although I believe it to be
an illegal one. I believe the young man went to the house to fetch his
mother, who also occasionally visits there.
Mr. Cavell said it was when the row was between Maxted and his wife a
few weeks since that he complained to the police.
Supt. Parker continued: On that occasion Maxted was locked up under a
warrant, but his wife refused to appear against him. I have several
times been called into the house and have also been attracted there by
quarrelling between Maxted and his wife.
Mr. Iddulden: Are woman of bad character harboured there?
The Superintendent: I believe so, but I have no proof.
After a brief consultation the Mayor informed Maxted that the
majority of the Magistrates were of opinion that it was not in their
power, with propriety, to continue his license. They were very sorry to
take so unusual a course - and it was a very unusual one in Deal - but,
after the evidence had been given, they did not feel it to be in their
power to renew the license.
Maxted: All I can tell you is that no one ever saw my house open at
two o'clock in the morning, but go to the "Royal
Oak" and others, and you will find them open and a great deal of
noise going on.
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Kentish Gazette, 8 March, 1870.
DEAL.
Borough Petty Sessions.
The Magistrates present at these sessions on Thursday were the
Mayor, W. M. Cavell, E. Brown, and J. Iggulden, Esqrs.
The Mayor stated, with respect to the application made last
week by Mr. R Sharp is to the granting of a new license to the “Sir
Sydney Smith,” that Mr. Sharp was unable to attend that day, but he
supposed the matter did not lay to a week or two, and inquired of
the Clerk whether the Magistrates could grant a fresh license to a
new tenant. After consulting the Act of Parliament, Mr. Mercer said
he was afraid the Bench could not, whereupon Mr. Iggulden remarked
that he was glad to hear it, as he considered there were already far
too many public-houses in the neighbourhood, and the tenants
themselves would admit it. The Mayor said he quite approved of
withholding the licenses of the beershops, but thought they should
not do so with respect to public-houses. The beer-shops were a great
nuisance.
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Kentish Gazette, Tuesday 10 May 1870.
Deal Borough Petty Sessions.
Mr. John W. Reely made application to the Bench to know if there would
be any objection to the granting to him a licence for the "Sir Sidney
Smith," public house, Beech Street.
The Clerk informed Mr. Reely that he would not be able to take
possession until July and that in the meantime he would have to give the
usual notices, and instructed him to apply at his office where he would
be directed as to the course he must pursue.
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
15 July, 1871. 1d.
VERY SUSPICIOUS
Alfred Harris, carpenter, and Lucy Marsh, were both charged by Mr. M.
Langley with illegally stealing or removing a quantity of furniture from
the "Sir Sidney Smith," public-house, Beach Street, the property of Mr.
D. M. Hills.
Mr. Langley, agent to Mr. Hills, explained that he had put an
execution in the house in question under a bill of sale, and had left a
man in the house in possession. The parties in the house, however,
either made the man drunk or drugged him, and at two o'clock on Sunday
morning the two prisoners were discovered removing things from the
house.
In answer to the Bench, Harris said he was lodging at the house, and
Mrs. Reely, the landlady, asked him as a favour to assist in removing
some of the things, and she told him Mr. Langley had given her
permission to do so. He did not know that he was doing wrong. The female
prisoner said she was staying at the house for the purpose of helping
Mrs. Reely clean up, and had been there about six weeks, but the
cleaning up had not been going on all that time. Mrs. Reely told her the
same as she had told Harris.
Mr. Langley said that both the prisoners knew perfectly well how
matters stood, and Harris had been caught attempting to move some of the
things between ten and eleven on Sunday night.
In the course of a conversation that followed, it transpired that the
things the prisoners had attempted to remove had been recovered, and as
there was a legal difficulty in the matter Mr. Hills, who was present,
expressed his willingness to forego the charge against the prisoners, it
being understood that proceedings would be taken against the tenant
himself.
The prisoners were then admonished by his Worship and discharged.
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
6 June, 1872. 1d.
BOROUGH PETTY SESSIONS
A new license was granted to Mr. Harspool, who was for twenty-five
years employed at the "Bricklayer's
Arms Station," to sell at the "Sir Sydney Smith," public-house,
Beach Street.
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
6 December, 1873.
BOROUGH PETTY SESSIONS
The Magistrates present at these Sessions on Thursday were the Mayor,
and G. Hughes, W. M. Cavell, E. Brown, and G. Fry, Esqrs.
Mrs. Maxted was in attendance to hear a complaint from Mr. J. Wise,
of Middle Deal, who alleged that the former always insulted him whenever
she met him, in consequence of his having given evidence to the
character of the public-house formerly kept by Mr. Maxted, and upon
which the license was taken away. Mrs. Maxted admitted that she had
upbraided Mr. Wise, but pleaded provocation. The Magistrates, however,
told her that she was not in the least justified of her conduct, and if
she continued the annoyance she would be called upon to find sureties
for her good behaviour, and in default she would be sent to prison.
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
10 April, 1875. 1d.
LICENSED VICTUALLERS' APPLICATION
Application was made for permission to carry on the business of the
"Sir Sydney Smith" public-house till the next transfer day, namely, the
first of May next.
Henry Barrett said he had taken the "Sir Sydney Smith." The house had
been shut up for some time, and he had now taken possession of it. He
had signed the necessary notices for an application to be made at the
next transfer day. He was informed that the Excise would not object to
his opening the house in the interval if the magistrates sanctioned that
being done.
Mr. M. Langley, agent to the owners, deposed that the late occupier,
a man named Shipley, had left the house, and neglected to apply on the
general transfer day for the renewal. He made application for it, but
the magistrates refused to grant the renewal till a new tenant had been
obtained.
The magistrates granted the application, but intimated that their
permission would not prejudice the decision of the magistrates on the
next general transfer day.
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There being a "Sir Sidney Smith" in
Dover, care should be taken that the two pubs don't get confused with each
other. I have also seen this one listed as a Sidney spelt with an "i."
From the Deal, Walmer and Sandwich Mercury, 6 March 1920
DEAL LICENSEE AND STOLEN OVERCOAT
Mr James Pitcher, licensee of the "Sir Sidney Smith," Beach Street,
Deal, figured in a case of theft heard at Dover on Monday, when
Frederick King, postcard seller, of no fixed abode, was charged with
stealing an overcoat, value six guineas, from Colonel W. T. Mould's
house, 3, Marine Parade. The coat was stolen from the hall at No. 3
Marine Parade on Friday evening. Mr. Pitcher said between 7 and 8
o'clock on Friday evening, Feb 27, prisoner came to the "Sir Sidney
Smith," and witness served him with some beer. He was wearing a brown
overcoat, which he offered to sell to the customers in the bar for 15/-.
As none of them would buy it he offered it to witness for 10/-. Witness
noticed that King had lost his arm and was wearing his service ribbons,
and out of pity for him he bought the coat for 10/-.
Det-Sgt. Greenland deposed to arresting prisoner at Deal Police
Station, where he had been detained in consequence of information
circulated from Dover. He also went to the "Sir Sidney Smith" and
received the overcoat from the daughter of the licensee, who was mending
the coat when witness called.
The Magistrates sentenced prisoner to a month's hard labour. The
Chairman (Dr. Wood) told Mr. Pitcher that they did not think he had been
as careful as should have been, and warned him as to the future.
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Around the 1930s the pub expanded into its neighbour on the right at 115
Beach Street.
Unfortunately in 1944 the house suffered bomb damaged and closed for
good, where the licence was transferred to the Astor Hall on the provision
that no alcohol was to be made or sold on the premises. Thompson and Sons
were the owners and supplies at the time.
Today the premises is again two separate properties.
LICENSEE LIST
WANSTALL John 1821-28
PITTOCK Ralph 1828-41+ (age 55 in 1841)
CAPON Jonathan 1847-58+
(age 545 in 1851)
MARSH John 1860
MAXTED Joseph 1861-Sept/69
MAXTED Mrs Sept/1869-Dec/73
REELY John William July/1870-71+
HORSEPOOL/HARSPOOL/HORSPOOL Mr Jun/1872-Dec/72
SHIPLEY Henry Dec/1872-74+
BARRETT Henry 1875+
JONES Robert 1878-86+
BARRETT Harry 1891-99+
(age 49 in 1891)
PLEDGE George Thomas 1903-08+
REDMAN James Edwin 1910-14+
REDMAN Ada Jane 1916+
PITCHER John 1920-22+
GEORGE Edward Thomas 1934-44
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From the Pigot's Directory 1823
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From Bagshaw Directory 1847
From Melville's Directory 1858
From the Kelly's Directory 1862
From the Post Office Directory 1874
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From Pikes 1908
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Deal Library List 1914
From the Post Office Directory 1922
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The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and Rogers
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