DOVER KENT ARCHIVES
PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Barry Smith and Paul Skelton

Earliest 1907

(Name from)

Trocadero

Latest Nov 1967

182 Snargate Street

Trocadero Bars

Trocadero Bars showing war damage.

Former Trocadero Bars

The Trocadero bars were to the right of the picture. Photo by kind permission of Dover Library. ILL/483.

Above shows a photo of Snargate Street in 1948. The Trocadero is extreme right. The above has been taken from the Dover Express 26 November 1948 with the caption:- SNARGATE STREET TODAY. A view of the area at the junction of Snargate Street and Five Post Lane. A shell, in September, 1944, destroyed the Salvation Army Hostel, which stood near the corner. The premises adjoining are now being pulled down.

 

On the corner with Five Post Lane and assuming this title from 1907. It had been the "Wine Vaults" where Adams had acquired a six day licence in 1872.

 

The Trocadero Company made their debut in 1907 with the provision of a wine lounge. They claimed it was the largest and most comfortable wine lounge in the town, with fine oak panelled saloons and wines served from the wood. That lounge, previous to 1908, had artificial lighting, but that year a partition was removed which gave the use of a window.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 2 February, 1912.

LICENSING

The management of the "Trocadero" were granted permission to supply refreshment at the Drill Hall, Northampton Street, on January 31st, on the occasion of an Army Pay Corps dance.

 

From Dover Express 12 June 1914.

TOPE FISHING AT MARGATE.

The first three-days' fishing in connection with the six days' tope competition held at Margate under the auspices of the British Sea Anglers' Society and the Margate Fishing Club, took place on Saturday and Sunday, but on Monday the weather was too rough for fishing. Mr. Todd's fish, which is 5ft. in length, was on view at the "Trocadero" at Dover this week.

 

From Dover Express 03 November 1916.

At the Dover Police Court this (Friday) morning, before Messrs. F. W. Prescott (in the chair), J. Scott and W. D. Atkins, the licence of "The Trocadero" was transferred from Mr. Lukey to Mr. J. Casselden, who had for three years had the "Salutation" Inn. Mr. Holford, the late Manager, had joined up.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 5 January, 1917.

MAKING A CHILD DRUNK

SEQUEL TO A RECENT CASE

CHARGES OF ALLEGED TREATING AND CHARGES AGAINST LICENSEES

At the Dover Police Court this (Friday) morning, before Messrs. W. J. Barnes (in the chair), J. W. Bussey, H. Hobday and Edward Chitty.

John Casselden, landlord of the “Trocadero,” Snargate Street, was summoned for, on December 20th supplying, either by himself or by his servants, intoxicating liquor to Mabel Ratchiffe, the same not being paid for by her, contrary to the Central Control Order. He was further summoned for supplying intoxicating liquor to Winifred Friend, not having been paid for by her. Mabel Newing was summoned as being a servant of John Casselden for supplying the liquor. John Hale, a stoker, was summoned for ordering and paying for intoxicating liquor to be supplied to the two women; and Charles Miller, another sailor, was summoned for a similar offence.

Before the case was called, Edward Le Gros, landlord of the “Avenue Inn,” Snargate Street, was called forward to answer to a similar charge.

Mr. Watson, who appeared for Mr. Mr Gros, asked that the case be heard after that of Mr. Mowll's, as Mr. Mowll was his senior!

Mr. Vosper said that he thought that the cases should be taken in their proper sequence, but he would not be unreasonable.

Mr. R. Mowll pleaded not guilty in each case.

Mr. Vosper prosecuted.

Winifred Dora Friend, ages 13 years, of 13, Hartley Street, said that on December 20th she went to see Mrs. Ratcliffe, of 14, Herbert Street, Buckland. They went into the “Avenue” public-house. Afterwards they went to the “Trocadero” with two sailors. They had several drinks there. The shortest sailor, Miller, paid for the drinks – gin and cloves, port wine and whisky. Neither Mrs. Ratcliffe nor witness paid for any of these. The sailors drank whisky. They got the drinks one by one. As soon as he got one glass he immediately went back and got another. Witness did not remember what happened after having all these drinks. When she left Mrs. Ratcliff's house she had 1¾d. in her pocket, and all the money she spent was a penny for the tram. Mrs. Ratcliffe did not pay for any drinks, as she sat by the witness all the time. She could not say who actually supplied the liquor. She did not see Mr. Casselden or the barmaid.

Mrs. Mabel Ratcliffe, of 14, Herbert Street, said that on December 20th she went out with the last witness. They went to the “Avenue” first, and then into the “Trocadero” at about 6.30. The two sailors were with them. They went into the bar in Snargate Street. Miller paid for gin and cloves, which witness and the last witness drank. She did not notice who served the drink, but she could see the counter. Miller paid for a similar round. There were four customers in the bar. The barmaid Newing was serving in the bar, but witness did not notice if she served the drink to Miller. The third round consisted of port wine, and Hale paid for it. The fourth round consisted of port wine again. Witness paid for no drink at all. Afterwards they had whisky, at the order of Miller. When they came out at ten minutes to eight there were a considerable number of people there.

Cross-examined. Her seat was right away from the counter, in a corner that she indicated. There were a great many people round the counter after a time.

Re-examined: The person serving could see her if she saw over the people.

Detective Sergeant Southy said that on the 21st December he accompanied the last witness to the “Trocadero,” and saw Mr. Casselden. Witness told him that Mrs. Ratcliffe had made a statement, and he read it. Mr. Cassleden said that he had not seen either of the girls before. Mrs. Ratcliffe then pointed out Mrs. Newing as the person who supplied the drinks. She said, “I may have served the sailor, but he may have called again and been served by other attendants. We were very busy, and I never saw the girls on the premises.” Witness saw Miller on his ship, and took a statement from him. Witness told Miller that a girl had been charged with drunkenness before the Magistrates. Miller said that at 6.30 he was in the “Avenue” public-house with Stoker Hale. They went to another public-house, and he said that the statement of Mabel Ratcliffe was quite correct. He had never seen the girls before. He called for one drink at a time and fetched it away. He did not know that the no-treating order was in force at Dover. On the 22nd December her witness saw Hale at the Police Station, and, in reply to questions, hale said that he called for a drink and stood it on the table, and it was drunk by Friend. He did not treat them, but they picked up the drinks on their own account.

Cross-examined. Mr. Casselden had an excellent record n Dover as a licensed victualler. The “Trocadero” was doing a very busy trade in the evening. Witness had no reason to doubt that Mrs. Newing and Mr. Casselden did not see the women, owing to the construction of the bar.

Mr. Mowll said that it was a case he could ask should be dismissed straight away, as there was no evidence, but he would call the defendants.

Mr. J. Casselden said that he had held the “Trocadero” on a lease, and paid nearly £1,000 to take it over. He knew nothing about the case, and did not know the sailors or the two girls. He went through the bar and in front sis times in an evening. He had no doubt that he did so that evening. There was such a crowd there that it was possible that they were there and he did not notice them. Mr. Millen, Mrs. Newing and a boy served in that bar. Strict orders were given that there should be no treating.

Mr. Mowll: Suppose a man orders a drink and comes back and orders another drink, how can you tell if he is ordering the drink to hand over to anyone else?

It is impossible to tell.

Re-examined. The instructions were that one man is not to be given more than one drink at a time. Orders were also given that such evasion as suggested should be looked after. He had a large house, and was very careful.

At this point the Court adjourned, till a quarter past two.

On the resumption of the Court, the Magistrates, after a long deliberation, dismissed the summons with a caution against Mr. Cassleden, and fined Mrs. Newing £2. Miller and Newing were fined £2 each.

In the case of the “Avenue Inn,” Mr. Le Gros was fined £1; and the two sailors, for treating the girls, were fined 10s. each.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 9 February, 1917.

DOVER LICENSING MEETING

The annual meeting of Justices for the purpose of issuing licenses for the ensuing year was held at the Town Hall on Monday before Mr. W. J. Barnes (in the chair), Messrs. Edward Chitty, W. J. Palmer, W. D. Atkins, F. W. Prescott and A. Clark.

In the case of the “Trocadero,” Mr. Casselden attended with a plan, and the Magistrates examined it. The question of the sanitary accommodation was raised by Mr. Prescott; and it was decided with regard to the proposed alterations to the bar, which will be reduced by 8ft., that it would not be passed until the sanitary accommodation was increased. The renewal of the licence was adjourned till the adjourned Sessions in March.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 2 March, 1917.

ADJOURNED LICENSING SESSIONS

In regard to the “Trocadero,” it was now explained that there was sufficient lavatory accommodation on the premises, and, with a slight alteration, it was quite satisfactory. In regard to the alteration to the bar, 11ft. was being cut off, so that the customers could be kept under observation; and the licence was now ordered to be issued.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 17 August, 1923. Price 1½d.

LICENSING BUSINESS

Mr. H. Clark, of the "Trocadero," Dover, was granted an occasional license for the Stanlee Sports Club sports on Saturday from 12 till 9 p.m. It was stated by the Police that the ground was just outside the Borough at River.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, 8 April, 1927. Price 1½d.

THE TROCADERO SOLD FOR £4,500

Mr. S. Knott, on behalf of Messrs. Worsfold and Hayward, had a very large company of bidders – and others – before him at the sale by auction yesterday of a large block of property fronting Snargate Street, Five Post Lane and Adrian Street, which included the “Trocadero.” This was part of Lot 1, which also included the adjoining house, No. 182 Snargate Street, and amongst those present were many who are interested in the Licensed Trade in the district. Auction sales are always interesting, and an added spice was conveyed to that of the “Trocadero” by the presence of an unknown bidder who opened the bid with a few enquiries about a wall that had to be built under certain conditions, and the whereabouts of which the inquirer said he could not be quite sure of, although he had inspected the premises by the courtesy of Mr. Clark, the tenant. Colonel Hayward having carefully explained this, the bidding commenced. Mr. Knott invited offers at £3,000 for a start, but the first bid was an unaccepted one of £1,000 from Mr. Clark, and then another “unknown” offered £2,000. From this the price rose by £250's to £3,000, and then climbed by £100's, the inquirer about the wall capping every bid. Eventually at £4,500, when there was a lull, Mr. Knott announced his intention of knocking it down to that figure if Mr. Clark would not go to £4,600, and the fact that he would not was explained before the gathering dispersed by the unknown buyer at £4,500 announcing that Mr. Clark, who he was acting for, would sign the contract! There was general congratulations afterwards to mine host of the “Trocadero” on his successful purchase.

Other results of the sale were:-

133, Snargate Street, £900

Nos. 4 and 3, Adrian Street, £300

No. 2 Adrian Street, £400

No. 1 Adrian Street was not sold.

 

 

Herbert Clark served from 1919 and in 1927 he managed to obtain also the licence of the "Burlington Bars". In 1929 he followed that achievement by annexing number 182a Snargate Street. The public bar was then available from the front of the premises and lunches were provided. The six day licence was still operative to 1954 when the full licence of the "Pavilion Hotel" was transferred.

 

In 1936 it came within the perimeter of a redevelopment area. The onus was then on Dover Corporation to provide an alternative site. The country was at war before that could be progressed and following hostilities, when the brewer was negotiating the opening of the "Dover Stage Hotel", he agreed to close here in order to make that possible.

 

That closure came on 17 May 1957, the licence passing to the "Dover Stage" a week later. Owing to an empty money box, it was September 1959 before the town was able to buy the property and even then, demolition proceeded by stages. I read that it was being taken down in November 1967, that the demolition was complete in July 1968 and that authority was given by the Corporation for the remains to be demolished in January 1971.

 

The site, together with Five Post Lane, now lies below the new York Street.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News. 1 March 1939.

ASSAULT CHARGE DISMISSED

At the Dover Police Court, on Friday before Mr. W. J. Palmer, Dr. C. Wood and Mrs. Morecroft.

Peter Donovan, St. Radigund's Road, was summoned by Thomas Edward Kettle, of Buckland Avenue, for assault on March 3rd.

Defendant pleaded guilty under provocation.

Thomas Edward Kettle said that at 2 p.m. on Friday, March 3rd, he went to the "Trocadero" and had a drink whilst waiting to see someone. Defendant came over to him and called him a "Police Nark" or informer. Witness did not understand what he meant. When witness was leaving at 2.25 p.m. defendant said, "Get out, you are a Police Nark." Witness said, " I don't think so, I think you are." Defendant then rushed at him and struck him knocking him down. Witness got up and went to the door. Defendant rushed at him again but witness got outside.

Defendant: Didn't you ask me to buy you some beer? - You gave me half a glass but I didn't ask you for it.

Then you asked me for money? - "No."

And I would not give you any because you still owed me some? - "No."

Defendant said that the whole argument was over money. He did not deny striking Kettle, but it was under great provocation.

Dismissed on payment of costs.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, 5 January 1940.

At the Dover Police Court on Monday, the licence of the "Trocadero," Snargate Street was transferred from Mr. S. E. A. Glynn and Mr. B. A. Straughan to Mr. Glynn and Mr. W Holden of Hastings.

 

Dover Express 8th August 1941.

Dover Police Court 1st August 1941.

£5 FINE FOR LIGHTING OFFENCE.

Ernest Thomas Calvert of the “Trocadero”bars, Snargate Street was summoned for allowing light to show from the premises at 11.15 p.m. on July 19th.

Mr. P. A. G. Aldington appeared for the defendant who pleaded not guilty.

Mr. S. R. H. Loxton (Town Clerk) prosecuted and said that the light was seen by Mr. Kalfuss of No. 183, and two police officers. They had to knock on the door for ten minutes during which time defendant must have pulled the black-out blind, because it was in order when the police were admitted to the building.

William Kalfuss of 183 Snargate Street said that at about 11.15 p.m. on July 25th he saw a bright light coming from the lantern light of the "Trocadero." Witness went to the Market Square and informed the police. Witness returned to his house with two police officers and the light was still on. The police went out and witness returned to the window and saw the light still burning. He heard banging and six minutes later the light suddenly went out.

P.S. Lee gave evidence of seeing the light and he, with P.C. Milton, knocked on all three doors of the "Trocadero" for about ten minutes before they were admitted. The lantern light was then obscured by a draw blind in the lounge. Going on to the roof, witness saw that wooden shutters were attached to the lantern light, but one of these was not in position. Light did not show through when the inside blind was drawn.

In reply to Mr. Aldington, witness said that he did not notice any other skylights.

P.C. Milton gave similar evidence.

Defendant, giving evidence, said that he was responsible for three skylights and there were other skylights nearby. Witness’s skylights were covered by wooden boards and these were in position, and inside, blinds were used. The nearest light to the lantern light was 3ft to the side of the lantern light.

Mr. Aldington submitted that, if any light was shown, it was not from defendant’s premises.

Defendant was found guilty.

The Chief Constable said that defendant was fined £3 for a lighting offence on 15th November 1940.

Fined £5 and £1.15s costs, including 10s witness’s costs for Mr. Kalfuss.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 3 April, 1953.

Licences Confirmed

Confirmation of their decisions made on 2nd March, regarding the Hotel de France and the "Trocadero Bars" was made by Dover Licensing Magistrates on Monday. The "Trocadero" may now remain open on Sunday compared with its previous six-day licence, while at the "Hotel de France" drinks can now be served to guests of residents without themselves having meals.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 31 October 1958.

Town May Buy Former Pub

The town is to negotiate for the purchase of former licensed properties in Snargate Street, the Trocadero, and two sites at the rear near, 3 and 4, Adrian Street.

The owners Messrs. Watney, Coombe Reid & Co., have asked whether the Corporation would be interested to acquire the properties, and on Tuesday the Town Planning Committee  reported that they had authorised the Town Clerk to negotiate for the purchase "at a price now mentioned."

 

 

LICENSEE LIST

ADAMS 1872

Last pub licensee had ADAMS Lewis 1899-1908 end Kelly's Directory 1899

LUKEY Edward Aug/1908 dec'd Dover Express

LUKEY John Edward Aug/1908-16 end Dover Express

Last pub licensee had CASSELDEN John C 1916-Sept/19 end Dover Express

CLARK Herbert Sept/1919-34 end Next pub licensee had Dover ExpressPikes 1923Pikes 1924Pikes 1932-33

TAYLOR William Alfred James 1934-Aug/38 Dover ExpressPikes 1938-39

SHAUGHAN Bernard Ralph and  Glynn S E A Aug/1938-39 and Dover Express

GLYNN Stanley Edwin Arthur and HOLDEN William Aug/1938-51 end Dover Express

HOLDEN Hastings or W 1940 end

Last pub licensee had CALVERT Ernest Thomas 1940-41 end

Watney, Combe, Reid & Co 1948 Pikes 48-49

WOODS Horace George 1942-1950+ Kelly's Directory 1950

EYNON Richard 1951-Aug/53 end Kelly's Directory 1953Dover Express

GASCOIGN Robert and Madeline Kelly's Directory 1956 Aug/1953-67 end Next pub licensee had Dover Express

 

Herbert Clark also ran the "Burlington Bars" and "Falcon" between 1924 and 1931.

According to the Dover Express, Bernard Shaughan and Stanley Glynn, were Brewers' Managers.

Stanley E. A. Glynn was of, 5 Linton Road, Hastings and Ernest Thomas Calvert, of 27, Woolcomber Street, Dover was a constable.

 

Kelly's Directory 1899From the Kelly's Directory 1899

Pikes 1923From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1923

Pikes 1924From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924

Pikes 1932-33From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33

Pikes 1938-39From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39

Pikes 48-49From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1948-49

Kelly's Directory 1950From the Kelly's Directory 1950

Kelly's Directory 1953From the Kelly's Directory 1953

Kelly's Directory 1956From the Kelly's Directory 1956

Dover ExpressFrom the Dover Express

 

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