Cemetery Road/Western Road
Middle Deal
Deal
Also referred to as the "Duke of Norfolk" but I am suggesting that they
are one and the same. I'm not certain which of the two names was the one
that appeared on the sign.
Originally called the "Jolly Sailor"
and can be traced back to as early as 1750.
Location is in North Ward on seaward side of railway line and in the area
of the northern end of West Street. This showed up on Kent Sheet 58.04
(LVIII.4) being a reprint of ‘First Edition 1873' Old Ordnance Survey Maps
published by Alan Godfrey Maps.
The Deal Licensing Register of 12 September 1867 stated that this
alehouse was formerly the "Jolly Sailor." I believed it changed name on 1
September 1867 after the cholera outbreak caused several deaths to occur at
the pub.
Again the Deal Licensing Register of 5 September 1889 said it changed name to the "Jolly Sailor"
again. Unfortunately the building was demolished in 1969.
From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
20 February, 1869. 1d.
THE EFFECTS OF DRINK
Thomas Bailey, waterman ( who appeared with one arm in a sling) and
Ambrose Barton, chair-bottom mender, were charged with assaulting
Police-constable Pain and Romney, and Bailey also with attempting to
rescue the other prisoner from custody.
P.C. Romney said: I was on duty on Tuesday afternoon about four
o'clock, at the Guildhall, when a boy came to me and told me Mr. Marsh
wanted me at the "Norfolk Arms." I went there, and saw the prisoners
Bailey and Barton. Mr. Marsh was also there, and he told me he had been
assaulted by Barton and wished me to take him into custody. I did so,
and Bailey then began to abuse me and wanted to know why we had taken
Barton into custody. I told him it was for assaulting Mr. Marsh, and he
then said "I'm ____ if he shall go with you," and came and laid hold of
the prisoner. I put him back and he then threatened to kick me. He said
he would kick me in the private parts. He did kick me two or three times
on the leg, and he would have done so at my private parts if I had not
prevented him. He laid hold of the prisoner Barton and in getting him
away his coat was torn. We then took both prisoners into custody and
brought them to the lock up.
By the Mayor: The prisoners were not sober at the time.
Mr. Simon Marsh was then sworn. He said: Mrs Harvey called me into
her house .She said, "Mr. Marsh, Mr. Marsh, come in." I went in and I
then saw that the prisoner Barton had got hold of a quartern or half-quartern
measure to throw at the landlady. I then sent for the police. Before the
police came Barton took hold of my spectacles and threw them down, and
then took hold of my coat and wanted me to take it off.
By the Mayor: The spectacles were not broken. It was a good job for
me they were not - they cost me £2.
Examination resumed: He tore my coat. Three of the police then came
and I gave Barton into custody. I did not see the prisoner Bailey
assault the constables.
Barton: What business had you to turn me out of the beer-shop?
Witness: I did not do so.
Barton: Yes you did.
Witness: i never touched you at all. (To the Mayor): I told him to
keep away from me or I would hit him with my stick. They were both
drunk.
Mrs. Sarah Harvey, landlady of the "Norfolk Arms," deposed: Both the
prisoners came into my house about three o'clock on Tuesday afternoon
last. They were not quite sober, but I believe they knew what they were
about. They asked me for half-a-quartern of gin, which I served them
with. They then called for two cigars, which I also served them with.
Barton took up one and broke it in halves and they wanted me to exchange
it for another. I declined to do so, however, and he then took up the
pewter measure, as I supposed to throw it at me; he raised it in that
manner. I called out to Mr. Marsh who had just entered the house, to
come to my assistance. The prisoners took up a glass from the table, and
said they would keep it until I gave them another cigar. I said they
could do so if they liked, but I should send for the police. They had
paid me for the gin and also for the cigars. The cigar was not broken
when I gave it them. When Mr. Marsh came he told Barton to walk away, to
which Barton replied that he should go when he liked. I saw him try to
push Mr. Marsh out of the doorway. Mr. Marsh did not attempt to turn him
out. Both prisoners threatened to come round into the bar and help
themselves if I did not bring them another cigar. We are frequently
served these kind of tricks by the class to which the prisoners belong.
They come in sometimes and call for beer, and when they have been
served, pour or drink a little out of the jug and then complain that it
is not full measure. I saw the prisoner Bailey kick P.C. Romney and one
of the other constables several times, but I did not hear him say
anything about kicking him in certain parts.
In defence Barton said: When she (the landlady) put the cigars down
one was broken, and I wanted her to bring me a fresh one for it. It was
broken about an inch or so from the top and could not be smoked. That
was the beginning of the whole of the row. I do not recollect taking up
the measure and threatening to throw it at the landlady.
Bailey also said he had no knowledge of the matter. He did not know
that he had kicked the policeman.
After a brief consultation, the Mayor said the prisoners had heard
the whole of the circumstances related in the evidence and they offered
no defence except that they were drunk. That was a very sorry defence,
and one which they knew did not excuse them for a breach of the law.
They must each pay a fine of 20s., part of which would go towards the
prosecution, or in default undergo an imprisonment of 14 days with hard
labour.
Bailey: Thank you. I have only got the use of one arm and therefore
can't do very hard work. I have got no money and can't work for any.
The Mayor: If I am credibly informed the accident to your arm was
partly owing to your own fault, and was sustained by you in a drunken
spree. I should though that of itself would have been sufficient to
deter you from a repetition of such conduct.
Barton at once handed over the amount of his fine, and we believe,
notwithstanding Bailey's impudent remark to his Worship, he also
subsequently paid the money.
(Click for further Bailey
convictions)
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
16 October, 1869. 1d.
ACCIDENTS
On Saturday morning last as accident occurred to a man named Comber,
a porter in the employ of Mr. A. F. S. Bird, wine and spirit merchant,
King's Street, whilst returning to Deal from Ringwould in a van. When
just this side of the latter place the horse bolted and ran into the
bank, and the driver was thrown violently out of the fore part of the
van, his head coming in contact with the ground. There were also in the
cart a child of Mr. Bird's and Mr. R. Harvey, landlord of the "Norfolk
Arms," but fortunately neither of these were hurt beyond a blow on the
knee of the latter. Comber was picked up in an insensible state, and
remained so till late the same evening. He is now progressing towards
recovery, but still is very weak.
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
11 December, 1869. 1d.
BOROUGH PETTY SESSIONS
Upon the application of Mr. M. Langley, the license of the "Norfolk
Arms," public-house, was endorsed from Mr. Robert Harvey to Mr. George
Weaver, formerly of Ashford.
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
8 May, 1872.
A HYPOCRITICAL PENITANT
Thomas Green was charged with creating a disturbance at the "Norfolk
Arms," on Saturday morning last, and also with threatening the life of
his brother-in-law, Thomas Bremen.
Supt. Parker deposed: On Saturday morning last, about half-past nine
o'clock, I was called to the "Norfolk Arms" by a man named Thomas Bremen
and the prisoner's sister to protect them against the prisoner, who was
threatening their lives. I went in company with P.C. Carvey. I found the
prisoner in the tap-room. He was then quiet. I remonstrated with him,
and he said he would go with me, but he directly struck at his sister
and attempted to kick her, but kicked another woman by mistake. I then
took him into custody, and as we were coming through the passage to get
into the road he went down on his knees and vowed that he would kill
Thomas Bremen. He was then conveyed to the station-house, and brought
before the Magistrates the same morning, when the case was adjourned
upon his promising to leave the town forthwith. And accordingly he was
seen out of the parish by P.C. Carvey.
Prisoner said that he fell in with a man on the road who promised to
take him to Dover, and that when they arrived there as they had no money
to pay for a bed he sold a pocket-knife and also gave the man his
neckerchief to pawn. The man took it away for that purpose, but never
returned, and he (prisoner) wandered about a clover field all night, and
afterwards fell in with another soldier and went with him to endeavour
to enlist in the Marines. He was told at the Barracks that he would have
to come to Deal to get in that corps, and he accordingly came back to
Walmer. The sergeant-major refused to take him in on Sunday, and he then
came to his brother's and told him that he was wet and miserable, and
his brother gave him some food and sheltered him for the night. The next
morning he again went to the Walmer Barracks, but he could not be
admitted into the Marines as he was not tall enough, and the Colonel
recommended him to go to Dover and enlist in the Rifles. He was going to
do so, but his brother asked him to have some tea before he started, and
whilst he was at his brother's house having his tea the constable
apprehended him. Prisoner then beseeched the Bench to let him off this
once, and expressed the utmost sorrow for what he had done. His brother,
he said, would "give him gold to eat," and so would he him, and what had
happened on Saturday was through passion, which was "a very hard thing."
So importunate was the prisoner in his pleadings that he fell upon his
knees and literally moaned for mercy, and his supplications were also
backed up by the tears and cries of his sister. The man Brenan also
interceded on his behalf, and promised to pay the prisoner's fare to
London, and see him away by the next train, if the Magistrates would let
him off.
The Magistrates, however, said they had given the prisoner a very
good chance on Saturday, and they could not again take his word. He
would be sentenced to seven days' hard labour in Sandwich Gaol.
Up to the very last moment prisoner professed the utmost contrition,
but the instant he heard the sentence he replied, in a very bold and
impudent tone, "Thank you, gentlemen; I can do that;" and left the dock
in a jaunty, defiant manner.
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
27 July, 1872. 1d.
DRUNK AND INCAPABLE
Thomas Hammond, a hawker, belonging to Dover, was charged with being
drunk and incapable.
Supt. Parker said: Last night about nine o'clock I had information
that the prisoner was drunk and quarrelling at the "Norfolk Arms," and
that he had a horse and cart with him. I sent two constables to see
after the prisoner, and they brought him to the station-house, and one
of them led the horse. Prisoner was very drunk and quite incapable of
taking care of himself or the horse and cart. I therefore locked him up.
The Supt. added that he had seen the prisoner in the afternoon, and,
observing that he was beery, he advised him to get home to Dover, and he
did go as far as Walmer, but returned again. When he was brought to the
station-house, too, he was advised to get some one to drive him home,
and at first agreed to give a man 5s. to do so, but afterwards changed
his mind, and he (the Supt.) was, therefore obliged to lock him up.
Prisoner pleaded guilty, and said he had come to Deal for a load of
peas, and meeting with a friend or two he got a little too much drunk.
Fined 10s., including costs.
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
1 February, 1873.
EXCISE CASE
Edward Austen, landlord of the "Norfolk Arms," West Street, was
summonsed for selling beer without a license, and also exhibiting a sign
purporting to be licensed to sell tobacco, without having a license.
Defendant was not in attendance, and Mr. Drake, the Supervisor of
Inland Revenue for this district, who appeared to prosecute, asked to
have the case decided in his absence. A note was afterwards handed in
from defendant explaining that he was unable to attend through illness.
Stephen John Hudson deposed: I am an assistant of Excise, stationed
at Charing. On the 2nd of December last I went to the "Norfolk Arms," in
West Street, Deal, kept by Edward Austen. I asked for some beer, and was
served with two separate half pints. I was served by a female,
apparently residing in the house. I paid he 1½d. for
the first half-pint, and a 1d. for the second. I went into the tap-room
to drink it, and the landlord came in and sat down. I did not see him
till after I had drank the first half-pint. I left the room for a
second, and he saw me go and bring it into the room.
John Pledge said: I am officer of Inland Revenue,
stationed at Deal. On the 25th of November last I called on Edward
Austen to renew his licenses, which he had omitted to do on the 25th of
October last, the day appointed by the Collector to give out the
licenses. I called on him several times afterwards, but he made various
excuses for non-payment. The amount of the licenses altogether would be
£10 3s. 8½d. On the 25th of October, I told the defendant that I must
report him for having his name on the signboard over the door, and the
words "licensed retailer of beer, spirits, and tobacco," when he had no
license to show. I called again on the 2nd of December, and demanded the
production of the licenses, but he did not produce them and he
acknowledged he had not got them. I told him I must report it. I did so,
and in consequence of that the last witness was sent to the house to
obtain proof of sale.
The Clerk said the penalty in one offence was £20,
and in the other £50, but the Magistrates had power to mitigate them to
one-fourth.
The Magistrates then made an order for the minimum
penalty for each offence, amounting in all to £17 10s., and, on account
of the affliction of the defendant, advised a further mitigation, which
Mr. Drake, the Supervisor, promised to forward to the Board.
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
26 July, 1873.
APPLICATION
Mr. M. Langley applied on behalf of Messrs. Hills and Son, brewers,
for a Magistrate's warrant for ejectment to be served upon Mr. Austen,
at the "Norfolk Arms." Formal evidence having been given, the
application was granted.
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From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
4 October, 1873.
LICENSING BUSINESS
Mr. M. Langley, as agent for Messrs. Hills and Son, brewers, applied
for new licenses to be granted in his name for the "Norfolk Arms,"
public-house, West Street, and the "Friendly
Port," New Street, the landlords in each case having omitted to
apply for a renewal of their licenses. Some necessary formal evidence
having been given, the applications were granted.
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From the Deal Mercury 23 December 1876.
Margaret Higgins was then
charged with being drunk at the "Duke of Norfolk" public house.
Prisoner, who appeared in Court with a little child in her arms, said
she had buried a child on Sunday at Canterbury. She had taken two or
three drops of drink, which overcame her. She was ordered to leave the
town immediately.
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Whitstable Times and Herne Bay Herald 15 September 1883.
DIED.
On the 1st. Sept., at the "Norfolk Arms," Deal, Elizabeth Osborne, aged
26.
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LICENSEE LIST
HARVEY Robert to Dec/1869
WEAVER Mr G Dec/1869-July/71
FORESTER Mr W July/1871+
LANGLEY Mr M
Oct/1873-Jan/75
HARRIS Patrick Jan/1875-82+
(age 37 in 1881)
https://pubwiki.co.uk/NorfolkArms.shtml
From the Kelly's Directory 1878
From the Post Office Directory 1882
From the Deal Walmer & Sandwich Mercury
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