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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Barry Smith and Paul Skelton

Earliest 1863-

Prince of Wales

Latest 1873

(Name to)

238 London Road

Buckland Road

Dover

 

The buildings in that area were constructed in 1860.

 

From an email received 23 November 2013.

Living at 237 London Road I have seen the deeds for the house and next door from the "Sportsman" pub.

We were built in 1860. Mine was supposed to be the dairy and there was a brick well in the basement with a lead pipe up to a hand pump in the yard.

Next door was the bakery with a full size cast iron oven in the front basement.

Duncan Gill.

 

Edmund Ashdown secured the spirit licence here in 1863 and was still there ten years later when some confusion existed.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 12 September, 1863.

ANNUAL LICENSES

A spirit license was granted to Edmund Ashdown, of the "Prince of Wales," Buckland Road.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 19 March, 1864.

WILFUL DAMAGE AND ASSAULT

Maurice Forrie, a private of the 78th Highlanders, was charged with maliciously breaking a window at the "Prince of Wales" public-house, Buckland, and assaulting police-constable McKee and Corrie. In default of paying a fine, the prisoner was committed for a month for the wilful damage and a month for the assault.

 

Dover Chronicle 5 April 1862.

Hythe County Petty Sessions, Monday; Before J. Du Boulay.

Martin Holliday, James William Howell, soldiers in the 21st Fusiliers, and Mary Ann Elden, a prostitute, were charged with stealing a gold watch, a gold pin, and a gold seal, the property of Ensign Kennear Brown, 21st Fusiliers, at Shorncliffe, on the 27th March.

Prosecutor said: I am an Ensign in the 21st Fusiliers, which regiment is at present stationed at Shorncliffe Camp. About half past six on the evening of Thursday, the 27th March, I went into my hut to dress for dinner, and being rather late I laid my watch upon my dressing table. I usually lock it up in my drawers when I do not require it. There were attached to the watch, by a hair guard, a gold seal and a gold watch key. I also left a gold scarf pin lying on the table close to my watch. Having dressed myself, I locked the door of my room and left for dinner, hanging the key behind a curtain which runs across the passage. On my return from dinner, about half past ten, there was a light burning in my room. I had not lighted any candles while dressing. About ten minutes after I had returned, wishing to ascertain the time, I went to get my watch from the table, but it was gone. The next morning I also missed my scarf pin. The watch, pin, seal and key produced are my property, and the value of the same I estimate at about £30.

Lewis Lewis examined: I am a private in the 21st Fusiliers. On Monday night last, about nine o'clock, and after the lights were put out in our hut, the prisoner Howell called me to his bedside and asked me whether I could keep a watch for him till the morning. He gave me the watch in my hand, but I cannot identify it as the one produced as it was dark at the time. I asked him where he had got it from, and he told me Holliday had given it to him. I told him not to get himself into trouble over the watch, as it might belong to his (Holliday's) master, and he promised to give it back. Holliday had left the hut before this conversation took place. The prisoner Holliday afterwards came in, and Howell gave him the watch and he went out again. The next morning I told Howell I hoped I should hear no more about the watch, for if I did I should report him. The same morning I heard the police making inquiries about a robbery, and I then reported the circumstances to my pay-sergeant.

Cross-examined by Holliday: You were standing between Howell's bed and the drummer's when the former gave you the watch. The lights were out at the time, but I saw him give you the watch as I was not in bed at the time. I was about half a yard distant from you. I saw the watch when I had it in my hand, but it was too dark for me to see what colour it was. I am quite certain it was Thursday when the conversation took place.

Cross-examined by Howell: I have already stated I cannot swear the watch produced is the same one you handed to me, I am certain, however, that you did give me the watch on Thursday night.

Francis Chappell examined: I am a private in the 21st Fusiliers. About a quarter to eight o'clock on Thursday night, I saw the prisoners Holliday and Howell talking together outside the "Wellington," Sandgate. On coming up to them I saw Holliday give a pin to Howell. The pin produced I believe to be the same. We then went into the "Wellington," and Holliday left us to go into the skittle alley.

Police sergeant Smith, K.C.C.: From information received, I apprehended the prisoner Holliday on Friday afternoon upon a charge of being concerned in this robbery. He denied any knowledge of it. I afterwards proceeded to Dover, and found the prisoners Howell and Elden drinking together at a public house. I charged Howell with stealing the property mentioned in the charge, which he denied. I asked the female prisoner what she knew about the robbery, and she replied “Nothing.” Howell was then locked up in the station-house at Dover. On the 29th I again found the female prisoner at Dover, and I then questioned her very closely with reference to the robbery, but she professed not to know anything about it. When I arrived at Seabrook lock-up with Howell, he admitted that he had sold the watch to a very fat man in Dover Market-place, and the seal to Mr. Hart, of Folkestone, who he said gave him a shilling for it. I subsequently went to the "Radnor Inn," Folkestone, when the landlord, Robert Tindall, handed me the pin produced. He said that he bought it of the female prisoner for 2s. 6d. I took het into custody yesterday, and, when acquainting her with the charge against her, she said that Howell had given it to her, saying that it was a present from his brother.

Robert Tindall, the landlord of the "Radnor Inn," examined: On Friday night last the female prisoner came into my house and asked me whether I would purchase a pin, at the same time handing me the one now produced. She said she had been with an officer who had no money, which I believe is very often the case with a great number of them (laughter). She asked 3s. for the pin, but she ultimately sold it to me for 2s. 6d. At the time I bought it I had no suspicion it was stolen. On hearing of the robbery, I gave information to the police.

By Howell: I believe it was Friday night when the prisoner sold the pin, but I am not quite certain.

The prisoner Howell then said that it was Thursday night.

Superintendent Coram, of the Dover Police Force, proved the discovery of the watch at Dover.’’

The prisoners Holliday and Howell said they should reserve their defence. The female prisoner said she should not have sold the pin had she not believed the representation made of its being a present from his brother to be correct. She did not sell it for herself, but handed over the money immediately to Howell.

The Magistrate committed the prisoners for trial at the next East Kent Quarter Sessions, to be holden at Canterbury on Tuesday next, and the witnesses were bound over to appear and give evidence.

John Barkley, a resident of New Street, Dover, and who has lately occupied a stall in the Market as a pork-butcher, was then charged with receiving the watch referred to in the last case, well-knowing it to have been stolen. Mr. Delasaux, solicitor, Canterbury, defended the prisoner.

John Coram, examined: I am Superintendent of the Dover Police Force. On Saturday last, between three and four o'clock, from information received, I went to the prisoner in the Dover Market and I said to him “You've bought a watch of a soldier, haven't you?”, and he replied Yes, I have.” I said “Where is it?” and he said “I have not got it here, but I will go and fetch it.” I then went away with him, and on the road he said “It's in my garden.” We proceeded there, and at a spot in the garden the prisoner removed the earth to a depth of about five or six inches, and produced the watch, wrapped in a piece of brown paper, which he handed to me. He said he bought it of a soldier for 30s., believing it to be a silver-gilt one. I then took him into custody, and upon the road to the station-house he saw Howell, one of the prisoners in the last case, upon which he observed “That's the man I bought it of.” He then turned to Howell and said “You've not only got yourself in trouble, but me also.” From the evidence I have heard today, I believe the watch to have been stolen.

In reply to the prisoner's solicitor, Mr. Coram said he had been Superintendent of the Dover Police for eleven years, and during that time he had never heard anything against the prisoner's character. He had always known him as an honest, hard-working and industrious man.

Mr. Kennear Brown was then called, but his evidence was simply a repetition of that given in the last case.

Thomas Hammond deposed: I am the landlord of the "Prince of Wales" public house, Buckland, Dover. I was present on the Market-place on Friday last when the watch was offered for sale by a soldier of the 21st Regiment. (The witness here identified the prisoner Howell as the soldier he alluded to.) There were several of us standing in a group, but I cannot say whether Barkley was actually present when the watch was offered. He may have stepped a one side just then. I looked at the watch, and someone remarked that as I was a bit of a watchmaker I had better buy it, but I declined to do so, as I thought I had got into enough trouble about watches (laughter). I told the soldier that if he showed the watch to Mr. Coram and it was all right he would no doubt get someone to buy it.

By Mr. Delasaux: The watch was offered publicly for sale. The soldier said his friends had made him a present of it. He did not say whether the watch was gold, silver-gilt, or anything else (a laugh). He wanted £3 for it. No-one bought the watch then, but any of them could have done so if they liked. I have known the prisoner all his lifetime, and have never heard anything against his character.

Mr. Delasaux: Is that a pretty good sort of a watch?

Hammond: How should I know? (Laughter)

Mr. Delasaux: No, I should think you would not; and Barkley would not, would he?

Hammond: No, I should think not.

Mr. Delasaux briefly addressed the Court on behalf of the prisoner. He contended that no prima facie case had been made out against his client, inasmuch as it had not been proved that at the time he bought the watch he had any knowledge that it was stolen property, which the law required should be done in order to ensure a conviction. He then alluded to the evidence of the Superintendent of the Dover Police Force, which he had no doubt was the very essence of truth, and dwelt very strongly upon the fact thet the prisoner, when questioned about the watch, without hesitation admitted that he had purchased the property. It was a matter of very little importance how the property was disposed of after it was purchased, as the case could not be sustained if it was not proved in evidence that the party had at the time of buying the watch a knowledge that the property was the result of a robbery.

Defendant, having been cautioned in the usual manner, said as follows in his defence: When I purchased the watch I had no idea it was stolen, it having been offered publicly for sale in the Market-place. I was ignorant of its being a gold watch.

The prisoner was then committed to take his trial at the East Kent Quarter Sessions, James Wilkins of the "Lord Raglan," Dover, being accepted as bail for his appearance.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 31 August, 1866.

REMANDED CHARGE

Charles John Smith, the soldier remanded from Saturday on a charge of burglariously entering the "Prince of Wales" public house, at Buckland, and stealing two gallon bottles containing spirits, was again placed at the bar.

Mr. Edmund Ashdown said he was the landlord of the "Prince of Wales." On Saturday morning last, at half-past five o'clock, he was called up by his next door neighbour, Mr. Austin, and in consequence of what he told him he dressed himself and went down stairs, when he found that the house had been entered at the back, the door parting the living room from the bar having been broken open. In consequence of what was further said to him by Mr. Austin, he went after prisoner, and found him near George Street, about 150 yards from the house. The prisoner was apparently asleep, with the two bottles now produced close behind him. Witness waited near him until the police came, and he was taken into custody. The bottles belonged to witness, and he had last seen them in the bar the previous night, about eleven o'clock, before going to bed. On examining the house in company with police-sergeant Johnson he found that it had been entered by the rear. The yard of the house communicated with a passage which was approached from the street.

Corroborative evidence was given by a witness named Denne, and it appeared at this stage that the evidence of some witnesses who were not then in attendance would be necessary, the prisoner was remanded till the following day.

REMANDED CHARGE OF BURGLARY

Charles John Smith, the artilleryman remanded from the previous day, on a charge of burglariously entering the "Prince of Wales Inn," at Buckland, and stealing two bottles containing spirits, was again placed at the bar, and the following additional evidence was adduced.

George Austen: I am a cellar-man in the employ of Mr. J. Lukey, and I live next door to the "Prince of Wales," Buckland. The two houses have a common staircase. On Saturday morning last, about twenty minutes to five o'clock, I was aroused by a noise downstairs, and on going down and looking about, I saw Mr. Ashdown's window open. I thought the noise I had heard had been occasioned by the servant doing her work, and I went back to my bedroom. I had been there about a quarter of an hour, when Mr. Denne, a neighbour, called out at the bottom of the stairs that there was someone in the house. I then ran downstairs and went through Mr. Ashdown's parlour, when I saw a pair of military gloves lying on the table. Those produced are the same. I then went into the bar, where I saw that the till had been broken open. A pair of compasses was lying over it, and a razor on the shelf opposite was broken to pieces. I then asked Mr. Denne some questions, and in consequence of what he told me I called Mr. Ashdown, when we all went in pursuit, and found the prisoner opposite the "Green Man," in Erith Street. He was leaning against the house, sleeping, with the two large bottles produced by his side.

John Harding: I am acting pay sergeant of No. 4 Battery, 13th Brigade, Royal Artillery. The prisoner's regimental number is 1433. The gloves produced were issued to him on the 17th of last month. They were numbered in mistake 1434.

By prisoner: I sent your name in for the gloves. The Quarter-master Sergeant issued them, and I saw you with them afterwards.

Police-sergeant James Johnson deposed to apprehend the prisoner in Erith Street, drunk, and asleep, and with the bottles at his feet, early on Saturday morning. He afterwards made an examination of Mr. Ashdown's house. In the garden he found marks of footsteps where some person had got over the wall. The sitting-room window, which communicated with the yard, was thrown open. A door leading from the sitting room into the bar had been forced open with some sharp instrument. The till in the bar had also been forced with some sharp pointed instrument; and a pair of compasses and a razor had been removed from the place where they had been left the previous night. The marks on the side and the top of the drawer corresponded with the compasses. On getting the prisoner to the station house witness searched him, when he found upon him 1s. 9d. in coppers, two three-penny pieces in silver, and an old farthing of George II.

Mr. Ashdown: That farthing has been in my drawer for a twelve month.

Johnson: The same morning I saw the prisoner about 300 yards from the "Prince of Wales." He was then sober and was walking towards the house.

This being the whole of the evidence, the prisoner was cautioned in the usual way; but he had nothing to say in his defence, and was committed for trial at the next Maidstone Assizes.

 

 

This pub eventually changed name to the "Fountain" in 1873 as another pub with the same sign was close by at Shooters Hill. The motif suggests Whitbread but the wording over the door could denote a shared house with Fremlin.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 5 September, 1873.

RENEWAL OF LICENSES

The Justices then proceeded to renew ale-house, beer-house, and spirit licenses for the ensuing year, the licensees answering to their names as called by the clerk, Mr. Stillwell, and proceeding to the outer hall, where they obtained their licenses.

There were, it seemed, two licensed houses in the parish of Buckland bearing the name of the “Prince of Wales,” and the tenant of the house originally having the sign was permitted to retain it, Mr. Ashdown, the occupier of the other, (Prince of Wales, George Street) consented to substitute, “The Fountain,” or some other sign which would secure distinction.

 

 

LICENSEE LIST

ASHDOWN Edmund 1863-73 Next pub licensee had

To The "Fountain."

 

Dover ExpressFrom the Dover Express

 

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