12 West Street
Dover
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Carriers Arms 1976 (Photo by Paul Skelton) |
Above photo, circa 1970s. |
Above photo 2015 by Chris Whippet
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Above sign, 1970s. |
This appears as a beer-house on ordnance maps of 1871 and it would have
been one of the last in the town to relinquish that role. George Dennis was
licensee in 1871 but may have been there before that in 1870 as he was
reprimanded for being convicted for an infringement of his licence in that
year, but it may have been his previous pub. He is mentioned as being
licensee of the "Windsor Castle" in 1851.
Supplied by Alfred Leney Co Ltd, who bought out Thomas Walker's Phoenix
Brewery in 1859 and registered as such in 1896, until bought out by Fremlin
Brothers brewery of Maidstone in 1926, brewing at the Dover brewery ceased
in 1927.
From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 16 September, 1870. Price 1d.
THE ANNUAL LICENSING DAY
George Dennis, W. T. Bond, and W. Langridge, who had been convicted
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I have seen it
mentioned as a beerhouse at the end of 1938. The census shown
for that year puts the "Carriers Arms" in the parish of Charlton and the
Municipal Ward of Castle. Tower Hamlets as we know it today was just
beginning to develop around that time. A wine licence was
obtained by Peter Beer in 1947. Applications for a spirit licence had been
refused as long ago as 1880.
From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 25 August, 1893. 1d.
DOVER BREWSTER SESSIONS
Mr. Beecham, of the “Carriers Arms,” was said to have died on Sunday,
therefore the issue of the license was adjourned to Broadstairs.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 2 September, 1910.
TOWER HAMLETS BUTCHER IN TROUBLE
PUBLIC HOUSE SCENE
At the Dover Police Court on Monday, before the Mayor (W. Emden, Esq.)
and J. L. Bradley, Esq.
Richard Beecham, 12, Douglass Road, a butcher, was charged with being
drunk and refusing to quit the "Carrier's Arms" beer house, Tower Hamlets,
when requested to do so, and further with breaking the glass panel in an
automatic machine in the bar by striking it with a stick, doing damage to
the amount of 6s., the property of George William Woodruff Waterhouse, the
licensee.
Mr. L. B. Watson, who appeared to prosecute on behalf of Mr. Woodhouse,
said for some time past it had been necessary to refuse to serve the
defendant at the "Carriers Arms," but on Saturday last he went in there.
Mrs. Waterhouse told him he could not get served, and he was not, in her
opinion, in a fit condition to be served. She advised him to go away from
the house, but he refused, and said he was waiting for some friends there.
To occupy his time the defendant put a halfpenny in an automatic machine,
but no ticket came out, and Mrs. Waterhouse offered to give him one in the
place of the one he should have received. That, however, did not satisfy
him, and he proceeded to knock the machine about with his stick, and
eventually broke the glass. If the facts were proved to their satisfaction
it was not desired to the prosecution that the defendant should be sent to
prison or fined, but rather that he should reimburse the expense the
prosecutor had been put to, and that the Bench should bind him over.
Mrs. Edith Whitehouse, wife of George William Woodruff Whitehouse,
licensee of the "Carrier's Arms," Tower Hamlets, said: "The defendant came
into the house on Saturday afternoon last. He was not served, and he has not
been served for six months. He came back in the evening about 7.30, and at
that time there was nobody in the bar. I went upstairs, thinking he would
go, but when I came down again he was still there, tapping on the floor with
his stick. I told him it was no use his waiting as he would not be served. I
considered he was under the influence of drink. He said he was waiting for a
friend, and he then put a halfpenny into an automatic machine in the room.
The check did not come out, the machine failing to act properly. He started
hitting it with his stick (produced), and I told him to desist, and that I
would give him the value of the check. He refused, and said he meant to have
the check from the machine. He then smashed his stick into the glass. I sent
for my husband, and he sent P.C. Bond, who came in to the defendant. About
five minutes afterwards my husband arrived and another police constable, and
the defendant was given into custody. The amount of damage was 6s.
The Mayor: Has the defendant been coming constantly for the last six
months? - Yes.
You have always refused to serve hi,? - Always.
The Clerk: We have no evidence that you told him to quit on this
occasion? - I told him it was no use waiting; he would not get served. I did
not tell him definitely to quit.
George William Woodruff Waterhouse, the licensee of the "Carriers' Arms,"
Tower Hamlets, said: I was sent for on Saturday evening, and I sent P.C.
Bond over to the house to see what was the matter. I followed soon
afterwards, and saw the defendant in the bar parlour, sitting down. I
noticed that the glass front of the automatic machine was smashed, and I
asked my wife how it happened. She replied that Beecham had broken it with
his stick. The defendant was present in the room, but made no reply. I
fetched another policeman, who took charge of the defendant, as P.C. Bond
was off duty.
The witness produced a piece of the broken glass which was
¼in plate, and splinters from the defendant's
damaged stick.
The Mayor: Was Beecham drunk when you saw him? - He was under the
influence of drink.
Mr. Watson: Have you had to refuse to serve him with drink? - Yes; I have
refused to have him come into the house at all, drunk or sober. He is a
continual annoyance to us.
Defendant, in reply to the Clerk, said he admitted doing the damage.
P.C. Bond said: I was at home, off duty, at 8.15 on Saturday evening,
when I was called to the "Carrier's Arms," West Street. I saw Mrs.
Waterhouse there, and she showed me into the room adjoining the bar. The
defendant was there on the floor, on his knees, as if he were looking for
something. I saw the glass of the automatic machine was smashed, and Mrs.
Waterhouse complained that the defendant had broken it by striking it with
his stick. I asked him what he was doing on the floor, and he said he was
looking for the top of his stick, and that when he had got it he would clear
out. He was under the influence of drink. I detained him till the arrival of
Mr. Waterhouse, who gave him into custody. Defendant admitted breaking the
glass, and said he did it because the machine was empty. I was only partly
dressed at the time, so .C. Roberts took him in charge, and afterwards we
both brought him to the police station. He was later released on bail.
Defendant: I must contradict one statement you made. You don't suppose I
should be crawling about when there was broken glass on the floor. I was
stooping down with a box of matches.
The witness said the defendant was under the table when he saw him.
Beecham denied this; but had nothing further to say.
The Mayor reminded the defendant he had been before the Bench on several
previous occasions. It was a pity a man in his position could not keep
himself free from drink. He should recommend him - as he did every man who
could not take drink without losing control of himself - to take the pledge,
or do something to prevent him from drinking to excess, because it only
brought disgrace on himself and trouble on everybody else who had to deal
with him. In this case it had been in a kindly spirited suggestion that the
defendant should only be bound over, but the Magistrates were of opinion
that he must also pay the amount of the damage and the cost of the summons.
Defendant would therefore be bound over for twelve months, and pay the
damage, amounting to 6s., and the costs, 8s.
Defendant, who was allowed a week to pay, or in default 14 days, was then
formally bound over for twelve months in the sum of £10.
Incidentally, the Richard Beecham mentioned
above is not the same one as once landlord of the "Carrier's Arms," as the
landlord died in 1893. I do not know yet know whether they were related. P
Skelton.
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Dover Express 14 February 1913.
DEATH. WATERHOUSE.
On February 13th, at the "Carrier's Arms," Tower Hamlets,
Dover, suddenly, of double pneumonia, after a few days' illness, Frank,
youngest son of the late George Waterhouse and Louisa Waterhouse, of Ticehurst, Surrey.
The George Waterhouse mentioned above was
licensee George William Woodruff Waterhouse's father, so Frank was his
younger brother aged 24.
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It had closed its doors for the duration of world war two in September
1940 but it was the same Peter Beer who reopened in 1941.
From the Dover Express, 3 June, 1939.
The Magistrates approved plans for alterations to the bar and carvery and sanitary
accommodation at the "Carriers Arms," Dover.
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From the Dover Express, 13 September, 1940.
MORE PUBLIC HOUSES CLOSING
At the Dover Licensing Sessions on Friday last, the licensees of
the following public houses were granted permission to close for the
duration of the war:- "Carriers Arms," West Street; the "Royal
Standard," London Road; and the "Granville Bars," Marine Parade. On
Monday similar permission was given in respect of the "Admiral
Harvey," Bridge Street.
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Dover Express 07 May 1943.
MARRIAGE. BEER-AMOS.
On Sunday, 25th April, at St. Bartholomew's Church,
Dover, by the Rev. J. Embry. Raymond William Beer, elder son of Mr.
and Mrs. Beer, of the "Carriers' Arms," Dover, to Eileen Joan Amos,
youngest daughter of Mrs. Amos, of 46, Widred Rd., Dover. |
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From Bob Hollingsbee MEMORIES. Thursday, September 27, 2001
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DENNIS Beecham, of Elms Vale Road, Dover,
was very interested in the picture of the "Carrier's Arms," in a recent
memories page feature - and with good reason. His grandfather, Richard
Beecham was the licensee for a number of years.
Richard and his wife Sarah had 13
children, and one of them, Reuben, born in 1889, was Dennis Beecham's
father.
Sadly, when Reuben was four, his father
died suddenly. A doctor was called when he was taken seriously ill and
he died during an emergency operation, which, Dennis tells me, had to be
carried out immediately in the public house.
Richard's sorrowing widow Sarah, left
with young children, carried on running the Carrier's Arms for several
years afterwards.
Dennis kindly lent me his autographed
family copy of the paperback book on Dover public houses by Barry Smith,
of Dover, called "By the Way - Local Observations by Rambler."
Now out of print, this book packs in a
great deal of information about Dover's hotels and public houses in its
70 pages, but there are no illustrations.
Barry Smith himself also phoned me about
the Memories article, as did several other people. He told me he had
gathered far more information than he could ever hope to include in a
book during his researches.
These Included hours searching through
the Dover Express files of bound newspapers which extend back to 1858.
Barry also told me he had deposited more
up to date information, extending the account up to about 1997.
Writing about the "Carrier's Arms" in the
book Barry said although the pub was shown on local ordnance survey maps
of 1871, the earliest licensee for whom he could find a reference was
Richard Beecham, whose link with it dated from 1877.
The book solves for me the mystery of
why, in the old photograph sent to me by Dave Wybom, now living in
Denton, Manchester, the pub had the painted sign "Waterhouse's Carriers
Arms," as shown above.
Public houses myth
Evidently it is because George Waterhouse
was licensee from 1903, possibly until 1932, when a Waterhouse was still
listed.
Incidentally, consent was given in
September 1940, to close the pub for the duration of the war if
necessary, but Peter Beer obviously had other ideas. He took over in
1941 and stayed until about 1956.
As to the thorny subject of the sheer
number of public houses the town once had - in Snargate Street and
Commercial Quay, old photographs show it was not unusual to find rival
establishments next door to each other!
Writer Joe Harman, of St Radigund's Road,
whose memoirs have just been published, based on a lifetime in Dover,
has presented me with a photocopy of an 1870 licensing list giving a
total of 270 names of public houses, hotels and other licensed premises
in Dover, taking in Buckland and Charlton. (I'd
sure like to see that list as the maximum I have found is only 231 in
1870. Paul Skelton.)
That is the highest number at one time
that he has been able to verify. That number was soon cut considerably,
as Barry writes in his book, by the 1904 Compensation Act and the
Licensing Consolidation Act of 1910, as steps were taken to cut down the
number.
By 1919 467 Kent licences were abolished,
42 of them closing in Dover between 1904-19. Reader Andrew Palmer told
me of a claim of 365 pubs in Mark Smith's Dover book published by Alan
Sutton some years back.
It seems to be one of those myths,
'propagated' over a pint or two, perhaps, and given some apparent
credence by appearing in print, that will probably never be laid to
rest! (I'm doing my best. Paul Skelton.
Click here for TIMELINE
spreadsheet.)
"By the Way," intended not as a
comprehensive history but "a brief history of pubs and hotels in Dover
since 1970," nevertheless includes some interesting background
information, including a summary of the early breweries that were set up
in the town.
But that's another subject. Suffice to
say, as Barry observes, that the town played no small part in making its
contribution to the development of the Kent brewing industry, but,
sadly, brewing in Dover ended in 1926.
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From the Dover Express, 7 February, 1947.
IN THE BOROUGH OP DOVER IN THE COUNTY OF KENT.
LICENSING (CONSOLIDATION) ACT, 1910.
TO: The Clerk to the Rating Authority The Clerk to the Justices The
Superintendent of Police, and whom it may concern I, PETER WILLIAM BEER, now
residing at "The Carriers Arms" West Street, Dover, in the County of
Kent, Licensed Victualler, do hereby give notice that it is my intention
to apply at the Adjourned Annual Licensing Meeting for the said Borough
to be holden at the Town Hall Dover aforesaid on, Monday the Third day of
March next for the grant to me of a Justices' Licence authorising me to
apply for and hold an Excise Licence to sell by retail Wine for
consumption either on or off premmises situate at West Street Dover
aforesaid and known by the sign of The "Carriers Arms" and of which
premises Alfred Leney and Company Limited of Dover aforesaid are the
owners of whom I rent them. Dated this 5th day of February 1947. P. W. BEER. 19523 b7 |
From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 5
November, 1954.
VERY REALISTIC.
Some of the realistic entries in the "Tramp's" fancy dress
competition at the "Carriers Arms," Tower Hamlets, last Thursday.
The next 7 photos may well be from the same roll of film.
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Photo 1. Above photo circa 1950s. Please email with further information. |
Photo 2. Above photo circa 1950s. Please email with further information. |
Photo 3. Above photo circa 1950s. Please email with further information. |
Photo 4. Above photo circa 1950s. Please email with further information. |
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Within five minutes walking distance were the "Eagle", "Friend in Need",
"White Lion", "Dewdrop",
"Havelock Arms" and "Imperial Crown" so it is remarkable that the
establishment kept its head above water to 1988. On 1st October that year Fremlin decided to close. Its last licensee was Brian Porter.
Following extensive alteration and renovation it reopened under a new
sign, "The Battle of Britain", on 6 July 1991. Barry Norman and Les Holness.
It is now again trading under it's original name of "Carriers Arms".
(2007)
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From the Dover Express, 26 March, 2009.
Pub has been taken on by beer expert
Report by Yamural Zendera
Expert hands: New landlord John Townsend, right, and his son Mike
outside the Carriers Arms.
THE family running the newly-reopened Carriers Arms say they are equal
to the task of ensuring it does not join the list of small pubs to have
gone under in recent times.
Many independent boozers have folded since
the smoking ban came into force, or are struggling in the face of stiff
competition from supermarkets and off-licences and are now having to
deal with the recession.
But the brutal economic climate has not put off
father and son John and Mike Townsend from buying the lease of the Tower
Hamlets pub from Admiral Taverns.
The West Street venue had been closed
all this year.
Father-of-five John, 60, who has made a career out of reversing the
fortunes of ailing pubs for breweries and landlords, said:
"The pubs we have recently managed for holding companies have been
challenging.
"Working for holding companies was a nomadic existence and
it was time to go it alone."
The former P&O Ferries employee, who is
living above the boozer with son Mike, 28, feels the government could do
more to help small pubs survive.
He said: "We would like a level
playing field with supermarkets, as they can afford to sell alcohol as
a loss leader.
"Every pub has to sell alcohol responsibly but people can
go to a supermarket or off-licence and buy as much as they want. It
makes things tough for us."
The widower, who has lived in Dover since
1970, said he hoped having three closely situated pubs in Tower Hamlets
would encourage local residents to go for a drink in the neighbourhood
rather than in town.
He said: ''This is a community pub and needed to be
opened again.
"There's no reason why the pub should not succeed if we
give a good service."
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Information received November 2011 tells me that the leasehold is sale
for as yet an unknown amount, but the pub is Open 2014+ for business.
December 2011 the for sale sign was removed.
Seems to have closed, as yet reason unknown at the start of 2019. April
2019 it was up for sale and stated as "Suitable for other uses." So guess
this is the last of this one.
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LICENSEE LIST
DENNIS George 1871 (age 49 in 1871)
BEECHAM Richard Gravett Hall 1877-Sept/93 dec'd
BEECHAM Sarah Hall Mrs 1893-1903+
GRANT W W 1909
WATERHOUSE George William Woodruffe 1909-32 (age 33 in 1911)
STEWART William John 1932-Oct/38 (beerhouse)
BATTERSBY Harold Robert Oct/1938
BEER Peter William 1941-57
(Granted music license 6 Mar 1942)
ANDERSON J H 1956 ?
BRYANT 1957?
BRYANT Edith 1957?
SMITH Sidney late 1950's
BARKER George 1962-67 end
MARSH Michael 1968-72 end
WOOD Francis W H 1972-74+
Fremlins
CARDNO 1978
SMITH David 1983
PORTER Brian V 1985-88 end
?????
TOWNSEND John
Mar/2009-Jul/2009
TOWNSEND Pete July/2009+
WICKER Peter & TAYLOR Carol Dec/2012+
According to the Dover Express, Harold Robert Battersby was from 10,
Tillington Terrace, Clive Vale, Hastings, commercial traveller.
From the Post Office Directory 1882
From the Post Office Directory 1891
From the Kelly's Directory 1899
From the Post Office Directory 1901
From the Post Office Directory 1903
From the Kelly's Directory 1903
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1909
From the Post Office Directory 1913
From the Post Office Directory 1918
From the Post Office Directory 1922
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1923
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924
From the Post Office Directory 1930
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33
From the Post Office Directory 1938
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1948-49
From the Kelly's Directory 1950
From the Kelly's Directory 1953
From the Kelly's Directory 1956
Library archives 1974
From the Dover Express
Census
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