38 Townwall Street
Dover
The Chandos in the late 1940's, this was taken down in the 60's to make
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The sign of the "Liverpool Arms" was taken down sometime between 1895 and
1901. It sold for £2,500 in 1906 when it parted company with C. L. Adams and
it was re-fronted in 1929.
From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 6 July, 1906. Price 1d.
A CURIOUS POINT IN LICENSING LAW
THE TENANT OF THE CHANDOS REFUSES TO TRANSFER HIS LICENCE.
At the Dover Police Court this morning before Messrs. M. Pepper, J. W.
Bussey, E. Chitty, and Capt. R. B. Cay, R.N. an application was made by
Mr. Eugene Carder on behalf of Mr. W. A. Walsh prospective tenant of
Messrs. Shepherd Neame and Co of the “Chandos” public house, Townwall
Street, for permission to draw until the next transfer day.
Mr. Montague Bradley, on behalf of Mr. George James Knight the old
tenant appeared to object to the transfer he being then in possession of
the premises.
Mr. Carder said that mainly these applications were purely formal, and
as regards the character of the house it should be so now, as the
present tenant had been in the house a year and a half, and the previous
one many years. The house, however, some time ago had been sold to
Messrs. Shepherd Neame and Co. gave three months notice to quit on Mr.
Knight not necessarily with the intention of his leaving, but in order
to enter into correspondence. Subsequently, Mr. Night went to Messrs.
Shepherd and Neame stating that owing to the increased prices, compared
with which he had been paying as a free house for beer he would accept
the notice to determine the tenancy. At a later date, the landlords
stated that Mr. Knight was about to take another public house two doors
away, and they finding that they were hindered in getting a tenant by
that that they asked Mr. Knight to agree not to take a public house
within half a mile, and subsequently they stood the terms not to take a
public house in Townwall Street. Mr. Knight would not consent to that
restriction and the landlords on their part told him that unless he
signed the agreement they would not take his fixtures at the agreement.
The tenant had previously signed a lease agreeing to oppose the transfer
of the licence.
The Chairman: Does the present holder of the licence refuse to give it
up?
Mr. Carder: I cannot tell what position his solicitor will take, but he
has said he would refuse.
George Doorman, Messrs. Shepherd and Neame manager said that his firm
were the owners of the “Chandos.” He produced the agreement under seal
by which the present tenant holds the “Chandos.” That contained a
covenant that the landlord might assign any assent for dealing with his
tenancy on the termination of the tenancy, and further on that he would
not oppose any application for the successor of his licence.
Cross-examined by Mr. Bradley: The covenant referred to the transfer of
the licence, and all acts relating to this transfer.
Mr. Bradley: It does not refer specifically to an application for
permission to draw.
Witness: It is necessary to it.
Mr. Bradley: In an ordinary case there is nothing to prevent a transfer
being obtained without a temporary authority.
Witness continuing: In March wrote to Mr. Knight stating the prices of
the beer and porter, etc. that would be supplied. They were higher than
he had been paying as was customary to having been a tied house. There
was however an advantage to him in the supply of spirits. Afterwards he
wrote stating that he would give up the tenancy. About three weeks ago
he told Mr. Knight that he had agreed to take a house in the very same
vicinity as the “Chandos,” that had prevented them obtaining a tenant,
as they would not take it under the circumstances. It gave him a
document to sign and told him that if he did not sign it they would not
take him out on valuation. He might have had £600 on getting in.
Mr. Bradley: You stated your intention to inflict a loss on him in order
to prevent him setting up a few yards distance? There was nothing in the
agreement not to set up any where else. There was nothing in the
agreement that we should take him on at a valuation.
Witness said that they had offered to alter the clause “not to take a
house on Townwall Street,” instead of half a mile, as originally
suggested. They did not proceed with an application with a man named as
last tenant, as he had had the money.
The notice served to quit served on Mr. Knight was then produced the
term being to three months expiring July 6th.
Mr. Bradley said that his client did not wish to annoy the landlords by
refusing to the terms for, but when he was asked to sign an agreement
not to take a public house within half a mile of the “Chandos,” he felt
that he ought not to sign it, and although that was subsequently altered
to a prohibition as to Townwall Street only, the first pistol held to
his head did not make it easier to come to an agreement after. Owing to
his client not signing the agreement the landlord refused to adopt the
usual course of taking his fixtures at a valuation, and thereby
inflicting great loss on Mr. Wright, who had paid nearly £600 on going
in, and the valuable wall fittings would if taken out be of little value
than firewood.
George James Knight, the tenant of the “Chandos,” said he was the tenant
under an agreement date April 1904, from Messrs. Adams. It was a free
house for beer but not for spirits. He did not wish to leave if he were
treated unfairly. After Messrs. Shepherd and Neame bought the house he
received a letter quoting the prices of the beer, etc. they would
supply. They were higher than the prices he had been paying. It was by
reason of that he felt he could not remain, and he thereafter accepted
notice to quit. Mr. Boorman asked him to sign a contract not to take
another licensed house within half a mile of the “Chandos.” He declined
to enter into it, and Mr. Boorman said that his term would not take him
out by valuation if he did not sign. He paid £598 valuation when he went
in, without expenses. About £300 to £400 for fixtures. If taken out they
would be of little value. He refused to sign the contract licence, he
wished to choose when he should go, and not to annoy Messrs. Shepherd
Neame and Co. he objected to the authority being given as he was now in
possession.
Cross-examined: The “Robin Hood” was two doors away. That house was a
tied house belonging to Messrs. Beer and Co. he had not agreed to take
it and had not paid any deposit. He did not sign such an agreement
previous to the contract being submitted by Messrs. Shepherd and Neame.
He knew Beer and Co's prices for tied beer. They were not higher than
Messrs. Shepherd and Neame.
The Magistrates' Clerk: Are you getting out today?
No, I have not removed my fixtures.
Mr. Carder: Do you refuse to give up possession today?
Yes, I refuse to give up possession.
The Bench then retired to consider the case and after a few minutes
returned, the Chairman stating that they had decided to adjourn the case
until transfer day, which would be the 3rd of August.
The effect of this will be that the parties will be left to their civil
remedies.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 10 August, 1906. Price 1d.
LICENSING CHANGES
At The “Chandos” of which there was a dispute between the outgoing
tenant and the owners was settled, Mr. Carder stating that they were now
in possession of the premises, and permission to draw had last week been
granted to the new tenant. The transfer was confirmed.
The “Robin Hood,” Townwall Street, was stated to be in the course of
rebuilding, and the transfer was confirmed.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 20 March, 1914. Price 1d.
WATCHMAN'S DEATH IN PUBLIC HOUSE BAR
A case of sudden death was investigated by the Borough Coroner (Mr.
Sydenham Payn) at an inquest, held at the “Esplanade Hotel” on Monday
afternoon, on the body of Mr. Frederick Twyman, aged 34, of 12, High
Street, who died whilst in the bar of the “Chandos,” Townwall Street, on
Sunday night.
The Coroner briefly outlined the case, and said that he had some
recollection of having held an inquest on deceased's mother some little
time ago, who died from falling out of bed or something like that.
Mr. Buntz was chosen foreman of the Jury.
The following evidence was given:-
Mr. H. Twyman, 12, High Street, identified the body as that of his son,
Alfred Frederick Twyman. Deceased was formerly a carpenter in the Navy,
but left about a year ago. He had been working on the telephone cable
laying, but just lately he had been working as a watchman in which
position his duties consisted of attending to the lights on the Priory
Bridge, where work is being carried out. On Sunday deceased went out
shortly after 5 p.m. to light up, and returned in about half an hour,
and had some tea, and then returned at about 6.30 to his work. That was
the last the witness saw of him, and he was then as bright as he had
ever been, and made no complaints. He used occasionally to suffer from
severe kidney trouble, and with sharp spasms and shortness of breath. At
about 10.45 p.m. a Constable informed him of deceased's death. Deceased
had no lights to attend to in the vicinity of the “Chandos” on Sunday
night, but had been on duty there previously. Deceased had not been
attended by a doctor since he left the Navy, although he had been
advised to have medical advice on account of his chest trouble.
Mr. William Collins, landlord of the “Chandos,” Townwall Street, said
that on Sunday evening deceased went into his house alone about 9.15 and
asked for “two of stout.” He drank about a third of it, and sat down on
a chair in the bar. There was only one other person in the bar at the
time. He sat there until about 9.30, when witness was called to the bar,
and saw the other customer holding deceased up. Attempts were made to
induce deceased to take some water and also some brandy, but he could
not take either, and appeared to be dead. Witness immediately informed
the Policeman on point duty, who came and saw the deceased. A doctor was
sent for at once, and pronounced life to be extinct. Deceased was then
removed on an ambulance to the mortuary. Deceased did not speak while in
the bar apart from ordering the stout.
Mr. H. Tritton, boatman of Clarence Street, said that he was in the
“Chandos” when deceased went in on Sunday evening, and after ordering
the stout the deceased sat down on a stool near the counter without
speaking. In a short time he swayed, and laid his head on the counter
and witness caught him in the act of falling off his stool. Witness put
him back on the stool, and another customer assisted him to place
deceased in a low chair. Deceased might have been just alive, but looked
very ill indeed, and he did not speak a word. When the doctor came he
said that deceased was dead, and he was removed by the Police to the
mortuary. Everything was quiet in the house.
P.C. G. Noel said that he was called to the “Chandos” at about 9.40 p.m.
on Sunday by Mr. Collins. When he saw deceased there was a little
moisture running from his mouth. Nobody seemed to know deceased, but on
searching him he found a letter addressed to Mr. Twyman, 12, High
Street, deceased's father, who he informed.
Dr. J. Baird, Police Sergeon, said that he found the deceased at the
“Chandos” at about 9.45 p.m. on Sunday, lying back in a chair in the bar
dead. There were no outward signs to indicate the cause of death. Having
heard the evidence witness came to the conclusion that death was due to
heart failure.
A verdict of death from natural causes was returned.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 9
August, 1929.
DOVER LICENSING SESSIONS
Plans were submitted for alteration to the "Chandos," Townwall Street,
providing a new front, and these were approved.
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It closed for the duration of hostilities in October 1940 and never
reopened.
Reinstatement of war damage was refused in December 1950 and a compulsory
purchase order was made in January 1954 and confirmed in May 1955. By then
it was for the former site of the "Chandos". It became the property of the
town when compensation of £770 was paid. In return, the town envisaged a
converted value payment of £620.
LICENSEE LIST
Name from "Liverpool Arms."
DANE Edward Thomas 1901-1903+ (age 40 in 1901)
KNIGHT George James Jan/1904-Aug/06
COLLINS William 1906-Jan/25
RUFUS Frederick William Jan/1925-Apr/26
(Of
Beckenham, Kent)
KINGSMAN William Apr/1926-32+
(Of George Street, Maidstone)
KINGSMAN Mrs E 1933-38
PITMAN Mrs Emily 1938-47 end
EDWARDS E M 1947
From the Post Office Directory 1901
From the Post Office Directory 1903
From the Kelly's Directory 1903
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1909
From the Post Office Directory 1913
From the Post Office Directory 1922
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1923
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924
From the Post Office Directory 1930
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33
From the Post Office Directory 1938
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39
From the Dover Express
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