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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Barry Smith and Paul Skelton

Earliest 1858-

New Mogul

Latest 1986

(Name to)

5-6 Chapel Place

Dover

Fred Moody and Family 1891

Above photo circa 1891, showing licensee Fred Moody and family.

New Mogul date unknown

25 August 1939. The Adrian Street Improvements. Making a new junction road from Five Post Lane to Chapel Place.

Notice the houses still adjoining the pub.

New Mogul

Above photo, date unknown. From the Gilham collection.

From the Dover Express and East Kent News. 31 March 1939.

UNSIGHTLY DEMOLISHED AREAS

Councillor Took asked if there was any information with regard to the two demolished areas he spoke about some weeks ago.

The Town Clerk said that when the question was raised before he told them that nothing could be done about it. The areas were not in such a condition as to constitute a nuisance within the meaning of the Public Health Act.......

Councillor Pudney said that they were proposing to extinguish the licence of the "New Mogul" Inn.....

New Mogul circa 1960

Above photo circa 1960, kindly supplied by Terry Wheeler of the Ramsgate History Society.

New Mogul Inn 1970s

Above photo, circa early 1970s, kindly sent by Michael Green.

New Mogul outing 1960s

Above photo kindly supplied by Allan Hay, who says it was an outing in 1963 as he and his brother are looking out of the window, top left of the picture.

New Mogul 1971

New Mogul at the top of Chapel Place in 1971. By kind permission of the Dover Library. ILL/2827.

New Mogul Inn

New Mogul Inn pre 1986.

New Mogul

Photo date unknown from http://www.flickr.com by John Law.

New Mogul inside 1986

Showing the inside in 1986, kindly sent by Michael Lock.

New Mogul inside 1986

Showing the inside in 1986, kindly sent by Michael Lock.

New Mogul 1986

Showing the inside in 1986, kindly sent by Michael Lock. The gent behind the bar is believed to be Nelly Wilson's son Alan, filling in when she was taken ill.

New Mogul 1986

Showing the inside in 1986, kindly sent by Michael Lock.

New Mogul 1986

Showing the back room in 1986, kindly sent by Michael Lock.

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 5 July, 1878

AN ATTENTIVE NURSE

Matilda White, an elderly-looking woman, was charged with stealing from the “New Mogul Inn,” Chapel Place, one shirt, two blankets, one sheet, and one flannel petticoat, the property of Thomas and Catherine Hammond, of the value of 13s. 6d.

Thomas Hammond said: I keep the “New Mogul Inn,” Chapel Place. Prisoner was nurse to my wife during her illness, and after her death was nurse to my mother, who is close upon 90 years of age. She has been in my house about three or four weeks. On Saturday morning last I went to my bedroom to get my new shirt, when I found that it was gone, and an old one in its place. I had missed several things, but did not think the prisoner had taken them. I asked the prisoner where it was, and she said she had taken it to the pawn shop with other things. I never told her to take them. I said, “What do you want to send my things to the pawn shop for. I have never sent anything there in my life.” She gave my brother the ticket in my presence. He asked her what she had pawned, and she showed him the pawn ticket produced of the things which were stolen. I don't know how many tickets there were, but I think there were a dozen. I looked at some of them, and afterwards went with Police-constable Cook to Messrs. Long and Bacon's, and I saw all the things produced – a new white shirt, two blankets, a cotton sheet, and a flannel petticoat. The blankets and shirt belonging to me, and the sheet and flannel petticoat belong to my mother. The value of the whole is 13s. 6d. I have lost several other things, which are at the pawn shop, but I could not identify them. The prisoner was recommended to me by her daughter.

Police-constable Cook said: I live close to the “Mogul Inn,” Chapel Place. Yesterday morning I was sent for by the prosecutor, whom I found with his brother and the prisoner. Mr. Hammond said he intended to give the prisoner into custody for robbing him and pawning the things. Prisoner handed me ten pawn tickets produced. Five tickets containing the list of things now produced, and five tickets the things which the prosecutor could not identify. Prisoner said she had pledged some of her own articles with the prosecutor's. They had to be separated. I afterwards went with prosecutor to Messrs. Long and Bacon, and there shown the articles produced amongst other things, which the prosecutor identified as his property.

Thomas Burns said: I am an assistant to Messrs. Long and Bacon, pawnbrokers. I know the prisoner. She had frequented our shop several times. The pawn tickets now produced are they as follows:- On the 26th of June, one blanket, 1s.; one sheet, 2s; and a shirt, 1s. On the 28th, a petticoat, 2s. 6d.; and on the 29th, a blanket, 1s. 6d. The first three tickets are in my hand writing, and the other two in the hand writing of Mr. Long. The articles now produced are the same. I have known the prisoner for some years.

Prisoner pleaded “Guilty” to the charge, and the bench sentenced her to one month's imprisonment in Maidstone Gaol.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 3 July, 1896.

WILFUL DAMAGE

Norah Devine, was charged with wilfully breaking a pane of glass at the “Mogul” public house. Chapel Place, value 10s.

William Henry Rogers, landlord of the “Mogul” said that on Saturday night about 10.20 p.m., the defendant and her daughter came into the house. They appeared to be sober and called for a glass of beer. Almost immediately an altercation commenced between the defendant and a man who lived in the neighbourhood. Her language became so bad that witness requested her to leave. After some hesitation she commenced to go. Just as she was leaving she struck the man, and a fight commenced. Witness put her outside, and she immediately wrapped something round her hand and smashed one of the embossed windows. Witness valued the damage at 10s. She was very violent outside and witness followed her to Wellard's Lodging House. He then fetched a Constable and gave her into custody.

Police-constable N. Fogg said that about 10.30 on Saturday night he was called to the house, and afterwards went to Wellard's Lodging House with the last witness. The defendant was in bed. She was fetched down and charged with breaking the window. The defendant was sober.

The Magistrates fined the defendant 3s., 10s. damage, and 7s. costs, or 14 days.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 30 August, 1901. Price 1d.

ANNUAL LICENSING DAY EARLY LICENSES BANNED

The landlord of the “Mogul Inn,” Chapel place, applied for an early licence. He stated that the “Liberty” had given up its early morning licence, and men going to the Packet Yard through the Lanes required refreshment. He produced a signed memorial in favour of the application.

The Magistrates' Clerk observed that the “Liberty” did not have an early licence last year, it was one of those struck off.

The applicant was asked if all those who had signed the memorial were employed at the Packet Yard?

The Applicant replied that others were employed on the way, and he put in “&c., &c.” to cover it. (Laughter.)

The Magistrates' Clerk observed that he could not see it.

The Chairman said they could not grant the application.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 2 March, 1917.

ADJOURNED LICENSING SESSIONS

The “New Mogul” was transferred from Mr. A. Booker, who had joined the colours, to his wife, Mrs. M. F. Booker.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 15 May, 1925. Price 1½d.

ASSAULT ON LICENSEE'S WIFE

At the Dover Police Court on Monday, before Messrs. W. B. Brett, T. Francis and H. J. Burton.

Francis Butler was summoned by Millicent Florence Booker, of the “New Mogul,” Chapel Place, for assault.

Defendant pleaded guilty, but said she had been provocation.

Complainant said that on May 5th, at about 11.30, she was in Messrs. Terson's saleroom at the door, looking at some furniture, when the defendant came up and said, “You're the woman I want,” and gave her a smack in the mouth, accusing her of encouraging her husband into complainant's house. Defendant also got hold of her and pulled her about, and said that she would wait for her all day outside. Witness said she knew nothing about plaintiff's husband, and the last time he was in her house was on April 1st.

Defendant said that the plaintiff had been in the habit of having her husband in after hours in the afternoon.

The Magistrates' Clerk: You have no right to do what you did.

Defendant: My temper overcame me.

Plaintiff said that defendant could not prove what she had said.

Defendant said that her husband had told her that he had been in the house from half-past two till six, with five other men. “Other women have given you more than I have. That is the reason they have assaulted you before.”

The Chairman said that they did not want to go into that, and would deal with the case on its merits. Defendant had practically admitted the evidence of the plaintiff. She would be fined 10s. and 10s. costs.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News. 6 September, 1963.

New Mogul outing 1963

All set for the annual outing of the "New Mogul" customers.

The gentleman at the back, just left of central, wearing the large hat, I am informed by Jeanette Healey is Thomas Staveley, her grand-father, just in front of him to our right is his wife, Rose, with the large bag. They were licensees of the "New Inn," till its closure in 1962.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 13 September, 1929. Price 1½d.

A JUG OF BEER – CHILD MESSENGER PROSECUTION

At the Dover police Court this morning, Sidney Alwyn Good, the licensee of the “New Mogul Inn,” Chapel Place, was summoned for supplying intoxicating liquor to Kathleen Amos, aged 9 years, I other than a sealed bottle. Mrs. Court, of 9, Albion Place, the mother of the child, was summoned for sending the child.

Mr. O'Meara prosecuted.

P.C. Haynes said that on Sunday, September 1st, at 8.55 p.m., he saw the child come from the bottle and jug department of the “New Mogul Inn” with a jug of beer, and he went to the landlord and asked him about it. He said, “It is all in order, isn't it?” Witness told him that he should know better and defendant then said, “It is done.” Mrs. Court admitted sending the child.

Mr. Good said that he thought it was the jug of a lady who always came in at about that time. He was busy writing at the time.

Mrs. Court said that she had another child ill, or she would not have sent the child.

Good was fined 10s., and Mrs. Court 5s.

 

Dover Express, Friday 22 September 1939.

Breaches of Blackout Rules.

Many Summonses. Magistrates Threatened Severe Penalties.

Nineteen summonses for improperly obscuring lights were heard at the Dover Police Court on Monday, before Messrs. W. J. Palmer, W. S. Lee, A. C. Leney and W. L. Law, Dr. C. Wood and Mrs. Moorcroft.

In most cases of fine of 10s. was inflicted, but the Chairman gave a warning that future cases would be dealt with more severely.

Alfred Booker, the "New Mogul Inn," Chapel Place, was summoned for showing a light from those premises at 8:40 p.m. on September 3rd.

Mr P. A. G. Aldington appeared for defendant, who pleaded guilty, and said he was appearing in about a dozen cases all together, and suggested they should be taken together as the plea will be guilty in all cases except one.

The chairman said he thought they would take them separately.

Chief Inspector Saddleton said that Police Sergeant Laming and P.C. Robinson saw the public bar door of the "New Mogul" open and a large beam of light shine across the Chapel Place. Defendant was told about it, and replied, "I am sorry, but one of my customers went out, and owing to him having only one leg he took rather a long time to close the door." Chief Inspector Saddleton added that there was no screen or curtain over the door.

The Chairman said that the Magistrates thought there ought to be some light-lock in public houses to prevent light showing when the door was opened.

Mr. Aldington said he was going to suggest to Inspector Saddleton that it appeared that a light-lock was going to be essential.

Inspector Saddleton:- Yes.

Mr. Aldington.:- This was September 3rd, the day war was declared?

Inspector Saddleton:- Yes, but the Lighting Order came into order on September 1st.

The Chairman:- Has anything been done since?

Inspector Saddleton:- Yes, they are better.

Defendant said he had a light-lock now, and it would have been done then had it not been Sunday.

Fined 10s.

 

Used at different times by Gardner, Tomson and Wotton circa 1960 and Whitbread. Gardner from 1885. The earliest date found being 1858.

 

I do not recall seeing this on maps of 1871 although "The Great Mogul" was busy in the area just before that time but had changed name to the "Bell and Lion" in 1867.

 

The Post Office Directories of 1874 and 1882 list the name as just the "Mogul". The name of the other being "Great Mogul Tavern."

 

Redevelopment threatened its continuation in 1936 and again in 1972, when those operations were resumed. The dust having settled this small part of Chapel Place is still with us to-day.

 

The same family kept it from 1908. Nellie Willson being the last. She departed in March 1986 and although Bill Cooper tried to fill the gap, he soon suffered ill health himself.

 

The pub closed on 22 May 1986. Derelict and boarded up, it was ravaged by fire on 19 November that year. Considerable damage resulted to the roof and the interior.

 

New Mogul Inn just after fire

New Mogul Inn after fire

From the East Kent Mercury 27 November, 1986.

PUB BLAZE DRAMA

Families were evacuated from a block of flats at Dover last Wednesday night when fire gutted the derelict New Mogul public house.

Twelve people were led to safety from their homes in Adrian Street as firemen fought the blaze, which was threatening the access to the flats.

After nearly two hours they were allowed back to their homes.

TRAPPED

Firemen wearing breathing apparatus searched the former pub in case anyone was trapped inside.

Squatters had been living there and back windows and doors had been forced open in the previous few days.

Police are treating the fire as arson and are continuing their investigation."

 

The following spoof history of the pub, I believe was displayed in the bar when Nellie Willson was landlady.

 

To the Old (New) Mogul Inn, Dover.

This house was founded originally in 1203 by I. Vaddakrap, an émigré from Russia. It was called the “Lion” and was a roaring success. Two years later at the request of the customers he had a roof put on for their greater comfort.

Due to complaints from neighbours who frequently slipped on the hill, a hole was dug in the centre of the bar to act as a toilet. It was into this hole that the famous Dover Dolly fell backwards. She was very intimate with Hubert de Burgh.

After a few years the house was taken by a Welshman, Dia Rear. He had the hole in the bar filled in and a bucket provided for the ladies. All the Pilgrims on their way to Canterbury slept in a large bed above the bar. A two-way mirror was also fitted in the room.

In 1486 it was taken over by a Chinaman, Hoo Spharted. He changed the name to the New Mogul, later the ‘n' was dropped. It was said that this man introduced the game of Darts and to this day on a crowded night one of the players will shout his name and run to the door. His name is usually preceded by the word Christ.

Nothing is known until 1854 when an Indian arrived here with soldiers from India, his name was Eeza Wankah. He replaced the by now very jagged bucket in the ladies toilet and immediately the sales of sticking plasters fell. This is where the expression 'She's well plastered' comes from. It is said that he detested the street urchins who would follow shouting his name loudly.

In 1866 two Jewish refugees from Brixton took over, the Zarce brothers Kikki and Kissi. They introduced toilet paper which was afterward washed and hung up to dry. Certain amusements were provided such as Bar-maids walking the double tight-rope. From that moment on the Council decreed that all barmaids must wear knickers.

The present Licensee, Nelly Willson did her bit for some soldiers in the last war. She is very famous for her repartee, words such as ‘Get it yer bleedin self' or a one word reply ‘Pizzorf'.

No doubt you will have heard of a Man of Kent, or a Kentish Man. We have here a much rarer breed, the Man of the Mogul. He can only be identified by the fact that he knows the weight of a Man-eating Seagull.

We hope that you have enjoyed this article as you sip your lovely warm beer. Do not forget as you leave to say.. ‘Show us your knickers Nell!'

For further information on Old English pubs., please write to:-

 

Miss Mary Letts,

The Old Cock Inn,

Tillet,

Hurts.

 

 

Phil Gilham and Frank Franklin accepted the challenge and were given permission to draw from the rebuilt premises in January 1987. It was then "The Mogul", the prefix 'new' having been dropped.

 

The Mogul public house, the only property of any age among the three properties left in Chapel Place, has rear walls of flint suggesting a structure of some antiquity.

 

Now sold and are offices for the nearby old peoples flats.

 

LICENSEE LIST

HAMMOND John 1858-61 (Melville's 1858 61 census)

MAKIE Owen 1874 Post Office Directory 1874

HAMMOND Thomas Bourne 1874-85 Post Office Directory 1874Post Office Directory 1882

HAMMOND W A to Sept/1885 Dover Express

Last pub licensee had YOUNG George Charles Sept/1885-89 Next pub licensee had Dover Express

HART Frank 1889-95 ?

MOODY Frederick Empson 1891+ Post Office Directory 1891

ROGERS William Henry Next pub licensee had 1895-1901+ Pikes 1895Kelly's Directory 1899Post Office Directory 1903

MOODY Frederick Empson M 1903-June/05 Post Office Directory 1903Dover Express

EMPSON F 1903-07 ? end (Possibly incorrect information)

TROTH Herbert John June/1905-07 end Dover Express (Dover lighthouse keeper)

Last pub licensee had COLLINS George Next pub licensee had 1907-Aug/08 Dover Express

BOOKER Alfred Aug/1908-27 end (age 29 in 1911Census) Pikes 1909Post Office Directory 1913Post Office Directory 1922Pikes 1924 and 1959-68 end

BOOKER Mrs Millicent F Mar/1917 end and 1948-59 end

TYLER John 1927-28 end

EALDEN George Henry 1928-June/29 Dover Express

Last pub licensee had GOOD(E) Sidney Alwyn June/1929-30 end Post Office Directory 1930

DANDY John Frederick 1930-Aug/33 dec'd Pikes 1932-33Dover Express

DANDY Mrs Catherine Mary (widow) Aug/1933-Dec/33 Dover Express

BOOKER Alfred Edwin Dec/1933-48 end Post Office Directory 1938Pikes 1938-39Pikes 48-49 (Second time)

BOOKER Mrs Millicent F 1948-59+ Kelly's Directory 1950Kelly's Directory 1953Kelly's Directory 1956

BOOKER Alfred 1948-59 end ?

BOOKER H 1964 ?

WILLSON Mrs Nellie R 1968-86 end Library archives 1974 Gardner & Co

Last pub licensee had COOPER William Frederick 1986 only

 

Melville's 1858From Melville's Directory 1858

Post Office Directory 1874From the Post Office Directory 1874

Post Office Directory 1882From the Post Office Directory 1882

Post Office Directory 1891From the Post Office Directory 1891

Pikes 1895From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1895

Kelly's Directory 1899From the Kelly's Directory 1899

Post Office Directory 1903From the Post Office Directory 1901

Post Office Directory 1903From the Post Office Directory 1903

Pikes 1909From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1909

Post Office Directory 1913From the Post Office Directory 1913

Post Office Directory 1922From the Post Office Directory 1922

Pikes 1924From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924

Post Office Directory 1930From the Post Office Directory 1930

Pikes 1932-33From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33

Post Office Directory 1938From the Post Office Directory 1938

Pikes 1938-39From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39

Pikes 48-49From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1948-49

Kelly's Directory 1950From the Kelly's Directory 1950

Kelly's Directory 1953From the Kelly's Directory 1953

Kelly's Directory 1956From the Kelly's Directory 1956

Library archives 1974Library archives 1974

Dover ExpressFrom the Dover Express

CensusCensus

 

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