5-6 Chapel Place
Dover
Above photo circa 1901, showing licensee Fred Moody and family.
Frederick and Rosina did not marry until 1892 and the only surviving
daughter was not born until 1895 |
25 August 1939. The Adrian Street Improvements. Making a new junction
road from Five Post Lane to Chapel Place.
Notice the houses still adjoining the pub.
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Above photo, date unknown. From the Gilham collection. |
Above photo, 19 January 1951. Kindly sent by Allan Ward, who says his uncle
Bob Ward is the first on the left. |
From the Dover Express and East Kent News. 31 March 1939.
UNSIGHTLY DEMOLISHED AREAS
Councillor Took asked if there was any information with regard to the
two demolished areas he spoke about some weeks ago.
The Town Clerk said that when the question was raised before he told
them that nothing could be done about it. The areas were not in such a
condition as to constitute a nuisance within the meaning of the Public
Health Act.......
Councillor Pudney said that they were proposing to extinguish the
licence of the "New Mogul" Inn.....
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Above photo circa 1960, kindly supplied by Terry Wheeler of the Ramsgate
History Society.
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Above photo circa 1960s. |
Above photo, circa early 1970s, kindly sent by Michael Green. |
Above photo kindly supplied by Allan Hay, who says it was an outing in
1963 as he and his brother are looking out of the window, top
left of the picture.
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New Mogul at the top of Chapel Place in 1971. By kind permission of the Dover Library. ILL/2827.
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Above photo circa 1980s by Jeffrey Waller. Showing Nelly in the doorway. |
Above photo circa 1980s by Jeffrey Waller. Left to right, Michael
Green, Roger Marples, Michael Lock and Jim Green. |
Above photo circa 1980s by Jeffrey Waller. Showing Roger Corbett far
left and Nelly's son, Alan Wilson behind the bar. |
Above photo circa 1980s by Jeffrey Waller. Showing left to right, Roger
Marples, a headless Michael Green, Roger Milbourne and Jeffrey Waller. |
Above photo circa 1980s by Jeffrey Waller. One of Nelly's bar staff,
name as yet unknown. |
Above photo showing Nelly behind the bar, circa 1980s by Jeffrey Waller.
Customers names as yet unknown. |
Above photo circa 1980s by Jeffrey Waller. Showing the back room
otherwise known as the Saloon Bar. |
New Mogul Inn pre 1986. |
Photo date unknown from
http://www.flickr.com
by John Law. |
Showing the inside in 1986, kindly sent by Michael Lock.
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Showing the inside in 1986, kindly sent by Michael Lock. |
Showing the inside in 1986, kindly sent by Michael Lock. The gent
behind the bar is believed to be Nelly Wilson's son Alan, filling in
when she was taken ill. |
Showing the inside in 1986, kindly sent by Michael Lock. |
Showing the back room in 1986, kindly sent by Michael Lock. |
From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 5 July, 1878
AN ATTENTIVE NURSE
Matilda White, an elderly-looking woman, was charged with stealing from
the “New Mogul Inn,” Chapel Place, one shirt, two blankets, one sheet,
and one flannel petticoat, the property of Thomas and Catherine Hammond,
of the value of 13s. 6d.
Thomas Hammond said: I keep the “New Mogul Inn,” Chapel Place. Prisoner
was nurse to my wife during her illness, and after her death was nurse
to my mother, who is close upon 90 years of age. She has been in my
house about three or four weeks. On Saturday morning last I went to my
bedroom to get my new shirt, when I found that it was gone, and an old
one in its place. I had missed several things, but did not think the
prisoner had taken them. I asked the prisoner where it was, and she said
she had taken it to the pawn shop with other things. I never told her to
take them. I said, “What do you want to send my things to the pawn shop
for. I have never sent anything there in my life.” She gave my brother
the ticket in my presence. He asked her what she had pawned, and she
showed him the pawn ticket produced of the things which were stolen. I
don't know how many tickets there were, but I think there were a dozen.
I looked at some of them, and afterwards went with Police-constable Cook
to Messrs. Long and Bacon's, and I saw all the things produced – a new
white shirt, two blankets, a cotton sheet, and a flannel petticoat. The
blankets and shirt belonging to me, and the sheet and flannel petticoat
belong to my mother. The value of the whole is 13s. 6d. I have lost
several other things, which are at the pawn shop, but I could not
identify them. The prisoner was recommended to me by her daughter.
Police-constable Cook said: I live close to the “Mogul Inn,” Chapel
Place. Yesterday morning I was sent for by the prosecutor, whom I found
with his brother and the prisoner. Mr. Hammond said he intended to give
the prisoner into custody for robbing him and pawning the things.
Prisoner handed me ten pawn tickets produced. Five tickets containing
the list of things now produced, and five tickets the things which the
prosecutor could not identify. Prisoner said she had pledged some of her
own articles with the prosecutor's. They had to be separated. I
afterwards went with prosecutor to Messrs. Long and Bacon, and there
shown the articles produced amongst other things, which the prosecutor
identified as his property.
Thomas Burns said: I am an assistant to Messrs. Long and Bacon,
pawnbrokers. I know the prisoner. She had frequented our shop several
times. The pawn tickets now produced are they as follows:- On the 26th
of June, one blanket, 1s.; one sheet, 2s; and a shirt, 1s. On the 28th,
a petticoat, 2s. 6d.; and on the 29th, a blanket, 1s. 6d. The first
three tickets are in my hand writing, and the other two in the hand
writing of Mr. Long. The articles now produced are the same. I have
known the prisoner for some years.
Prisoner pleaded “Guilty” to the charge, and the bench sentenced her to
one month's imprisonment in Maidstone Gaol.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 3 July, 1896.
WILFUL DAMAGE
Norah Devine, was charged with wilfully breaking a pane of glass at the
“Mogul” public house. Chapel Place, value 10s.
William Henry Rogers, landlord of the “Mogul” said that on Saturday
night about 10.20 p.m., the defendant and her daughter came into the
house. They appeared to be sober and called for a glass of beer. Almost
immediately an altercation commenced between the defendant and a man who
lived in the neighbourhood. Her language became so bad that witness
requested her to leave. After some hesitation she commenced to go. Just
as she was leaving she struck the man, and a fight commenced. Witness
put her outside, and she immediately wrapped something round her hand
and smashed one of the embossed windows. Witness valued the damage at
10s. She was very violent outside and witness followed her to Wellard's
Lodging House. He then fetched a Constable and gave her into custody.
Police-constable N. Fogg said that about 10.30 on Saturday night he was
called to the house, and afterwards went to Wellard's Lodging House with
the last witness. The defendant was in bed. She was fetched down and
charged with breaking the window. The defendant was sober.
The Magistrates fined the defendant 3s., 10s. damage, and 7s. costs, or
14 days.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 30 August, 1901. Price 1d.
ANNUAL LICENSING DAY EARLY LICENSES BANNED
The landlord of the “Mogul Inn,” Chapel place, applied for an early
licence. He stated that the “Liberty” had given up its early morning
licence, and men going to the Packet Yard through the Lanes required
refreshment. He produced a signed memorial in favour of the application.
The Magistrates' Clerk observed that the “Liberty” did not have an early
licence last year, it was one of those struck off.
The applicant was asked if all those who had signed the memorial were
employed at the Packet Yard?
The Applicant replied that others were employed on the way, and he put
in “&c., &c.” to cover it. (Laughter.)
The Magistrates' Clerk observed that he could not see it.
The Chairman said they could not grant the application.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 2 March, 1917.
ADJOURNED LICENSING SESSIONS
The “New Mogul” was transferred from Mr. A. Booker, who had joined the
colours, to his wife, Mrs. M. F. Booker.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 15 May, 1925. Price 1˝d.
ASSAULT ON LICENSEE'S WIFE
At the Dover Police Court on Monday, before Messrs. W. B. Brett, T.
Francis and H. J. Burton.
Francis Butler was summoned by Millicent Florence Booker, of the “New
Mogul,” Chapel Place, for assault.
Defendant pleaded guilty, but said she had been provocation.
Complainant said that on May 5th, at about 11.30, she was in Messrs.
Terson's saleroom at the door, looking at some furniture, when the
defendant came up and said, “You're the woman I want,” and gave her a
smack in the mouth, accusing her of encouraging her husband into
complainant's house. Defendant also got hold of her and pulled her
about, and said that she would wait for her all day outside. Witness
said she knew nothing about plaintiff's husband, and the last time he
was in her house was on April 1st.
Defendant said that the plaintiff had been in the habit of having her
husband in after hours in the afternoon.
The Magistrates' Clerk: You have no right to do what you did.
Defendant: My temper overcame me.
Plaintiff said that defendant could not prove what she had said.
Defendant said that her husband had told her that he had been in the
house from half-past two till six, with five other men. “Other women
have given you more than I have. That is the reason they have assaulted
you before.”
The Chairman said that they did not want to go into that, and would deal
with the case on its merits. Defendant had practically admitted the
evidence of the plaintiff. She would be fined 10s. and 10s. costs.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News. 6 September, 1963.
All set for the annual outing of the "New Mogul" customers.
The gentleman at the back, just left of central, wearing the large
hat, I am informed by Jeanette Healey is Thomas Staveley, her
grand-father, just in front of him to our right is his wife, Rose, with
the large bag. They were licensees of the "New
Inn," till its closure in 1962.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 13 September, 1929. Price 1˝d.
A JUG OF BEER – CHILD MESSENGER PROSECUTION
At the Dover police Court this morning, Sidney Alwyn Good, the licensee
of the “New Mogul Inn,” Chapel Place, was summoned for supplying
intoxicating liquor to Kathleen Amos, aged 9 years, I other than a
sealed bottle. Mrs. Court, of 9, Albion Place, the mother of the child,
was summoned for sending the child.
Mr. O'Meara prosecuted.
P.C. Haynes said that on Sunday, September 1st, at 8.55 p.m., he saw the
child come from the bottle and jug department of the “New Mogul Inn”
with a jug of beer, and he went to the landlord and asked him about it.
He said, “It is all in order, isn't it?” Witness told him that he should
know better and defendant then said, “It is done.” Mrs. Court admitted
sending the child.
Mr. Good said that he thought it was the jug of a lady who always came
in at about that time. He was busy writing at the time.
Mrs. Court said that she had another child ill, or she would not have
sent the child.
Good was fined 10s., and Mrs. Court 5s.
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Dover Express, Friday 22 September 1939.
Breaches of Blackout Rules.
Many Summonses. Magistrates Threatened Severe Penalties.
Nineteen summonses for improperly obscuring lights were heard at the
Dover Police Court on Monday, before Messrs. W. J. Palmer, W. S. Lee, A.
C. Leney and W. L. Law, Dr. C. Wood and Mrs. Moorcroft.
In most cases of fine of 10s. was inflicted, but the Chairman gave a
warning that future cases would be dealt with more severely.
Alfred Booker, the "New Mogul Inn," Chapel Place, was summoned for
showing a light from those premises at 8:40 p.m. on September 3rd.
Mr P. A. G. Aldington appeared for defendant, who pleaded guilty, and
said he was appearing in about a dozen cases all together, and suggested
they should be taken together as the plea will be guilty in all cases
except one.
The chairman said he thought they would take them separately.
Chief Inspector Saddleton said that Police Sergeant Laming and P.C.
Robinson saw the public bar door of the "New Mogul" open and a large
beam of light shine across the Chapel Place. Defendant was told about
it, and replied, "I am sorry, but one of my customers went out, and
owing to him having only one leg he took rather a long time to close the
door." Chief Inspector Saddleton added that there was no screen or
curtain over the door.
The Chairman said that the Magistrates thought there ought to be some
light-lock in public houses to prevent light showing when the door was
opened.
Mr. Aldington said he was going to suggest to Inspector Saddleton that
it appeared that a light-lock was going to be essential.
Inspector Saddleton:- Yes.
Mr. Aldington.:- This was September 3rd, the day war was declared?
Inspector Saddleton:- Yes, but the Lighting Order came into order on
September 1st.
The Chairman:- Has anything been done since?
Inspector Saddleton:- Yes, they are better.
Defendant said he had a light-lock now, and it would have been done then
had it not been Sunday.
Fined 10s.
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Used at different times by Gardner, Tomson and Wotton circa 1960 and Whitbread.
Gardner from 1885. The earliest date found being 1858.
I do not recall seeing this on maps of 1871 although "The Great Mogul"
was busy in the area just before that time but had changed name to the "Bell
and Lion" in 1867.
The Post Office Directories of 1874 and 1882 list the name as just the
"Mogul". The name of the other being "Great
Mogul Tavern."
Redevelopment threatened its continuation in 1936 and again in 1972, when
those operations were resumed. The dust having settled this small part of
Chapel Place is still with us to-day.
The same family kept it from 1908. Nellie Willson being the last. She
departed in March 1986 and although Bill Cooper tried to fill the gap, he
soon suffered ill health himself.
The pub closed on 22 May 1986. Derelict and boarded up, it was ravaged by
fire on 19 November that year. Considerable damage resulted to the roof and
the interior.
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New Mogul Inn after fire |
From the East Kent Mercury 27 November, 1986.
PUB BLAZE DRAMA
Families were evacuated from a block of flats at Dover last Wednesday
night when fire gutted the derelict New Mogul public house.
Twelve people were led to safety from their homes in Adrian Street as
firemen fought the blaze, which was threatening the access to the flats.
After nearly two hours they were allowed back to their homes.
TRAPPED
Firemen wearing breathing apparatus searched the former pub in case
anyone was trapped inside.
Squatters had been living there and back windows and doors had been
forced open in the previous few days.
Police are treating the fire as arson and are continuing their
investigation."
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The following spoof history of the pub, I believe was
displayed in the bar when Nellie Willson was landlady.
To the Old (New) Mogul Inn, Dover.
This house was founded originally in 1203 by I. Vaddakrap, an émigré
from Russia. It was called the “Lion” and was a roaring success. Two
years later at the request of the customers he had a roof put on for
their greater comfort.
Due to complaints from neighbours who frequently slipped on the hill, a
hole was dug in the centre of the bar to act as a toilet. It was into
this hole that the famous Dover Dolly fell backwards. She was very
intimate with Hubert de Burgh.
After a few years the house was taken by a Welshman, Dia Rear. He had the
hole in the bar filled in and a bucket provided for the ladies. All the
Pilgrims on their way to Canterbury slept in a large bed above the bar.
A two-way mirror was also fitted in the room.
In 1486 it was taken over by a Chinaman, Hoo Spharted. He changed the
name to the New Mogul, later the ‘n' was dropped. It was said that this
man introduced the game of Darts and to this day on a crowded night one
of the players will shout his name and run to the door. His name is
usually preceded by the word Christ.
Nothing is known until 1854 when an Indian arrived here with soldiers
from India, his name was Eeza Wankah. He replaced the by now very jagged
bucket in the ladies toilet and immediately the sales of sticking
plasters fell. This is where the expression 'She's well plastered' comes
from. It is said that he detested the street urchins who would follow
shouting his name loudly.
In 1866 two Jewish refugees from Brixton took over, the Zarce brothers
Kikki and Kissi. They introduced toilet paper which was afterward washed
and hung up to dry. Certain amusements were provided such as Bar-maids
walking the double tight-rope. From that moment on the Council decreed
that all barmaids must wear knickers.
The present Licensee, Nelly Willson did her bit for some soldiers in the
last war. She is very famous for her repartee, words such as ‘Get it yer
bleedin self' or a one word reply ‘Pizzorf'.
No doubt you will have heard of a Man of Kent, or a Kentish Man. We have
here a much rarer breed, the Man of the Mogul. He can only be identified
by the fact that he knows the weight of a Man-eating Seagull.
We hope that you have enjoyed this article as you sip your lovely warm
beer. Do not forget as you leave to say.. ‘Show us your knickers Nell!'
For further information on Old English pubs., please write to:-
Miss Mary Letts,
The Old Cock Inn,
Tillet,
Hurts.
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Phil Gilham and Frank Franklin accepted the challenge and were given
permission to draw from the rebuilt premises in January 1987. It was then
"The Mogul", the prefix 'new' having been dropped.
The Mogul public house, the only property of any age among the three
properties left in Chapel Place, has rear walls of flint suggesting a
structure of some antiquity.
Now sold and are offices for the nearby old peoples flats.
LICENSEE LIST
HAMMOND John 1858-61 (
61 census)
MAKIE Owen 1874
HAMMOND Thomas Bourne 1874-85
(age 59 in 1881)
HAMMOND W A to Sept/1885
YOUNG George Charles
Sept/1885-89
HART Frank 1889-95 ?
MOODY Frederick Empson (possibly father) 1891+
ROGERS William Henry
1895-1901+
MOODY Empson Frederick M
(possibly son) 1903-June/05
EMPSON F 1903-07 ? end (Possibly incorrect
information)
TROTH Herbert John June/1905-07 end
(Dover
lighthouse keeper)
COLLINS George
1907-Aug/08
BOOKER Alfred Aug/1908-27 end (age 29 in 1911)
and 1959-68 end
BOOKER Mrs Millicent F Mar/1917 end and 1948-59 end
TYLER John 1927-28 end
EALDEN George Henry 1928-June/29
GOOD(E) Sidney Alwyn June/1929-30 end
DANDY John Frederick 1930-Aug/33 dec'd
DANDY Mrs Catherine Mary (widow) Aug/1933-Dec/33
BOOKER Alfred Edwin Dec/1933-48 end
(Second time)
BOOKER Mrs Millicent F 1948-59+
BOOKER Alfred 1948-59 end ?
BOOKER H 1964 ?
WILLSON Mrs Nellie R 1968-86 end
Gardner & Co
COOPER William Frederick 1986 only
From Melville's Directory 1858
From the Post Office Directory 1874
From the Post Office Directory 1882
From the Post Office Directory 1891
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1895
From the Kelly's Directory 1899
From the Post Office Directory 1901
From the Post Office Directory 1903
From the Kelly's Directory 1903
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1909
From the Post Office Directory 1913
From the Post Office Directory 1922
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924
From the Post Office Directory 1930
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33
From the Post Office Directory 1938
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1948-49
From the Kelly's Directory 1950
From the Kelly's Directory 1953
From the Kelly's Directory 1956
Library
archives 1974
From the Dover Express
Census
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