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23 Caroline Place
Dover
Above photo, 11 May 1939. I wonder if this was the "Old Fountain."
Looks like beer hatches. Although most of the houses here had similar
for coal hatches. Further information says this is showing the front and
left return wall of number 29 and Caroline Place front of numbers 2 to
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Although the above picture probably doesn't show the "Old Fountain Inn"
it does show the demolition of the houses in Caroline Place in April
1950.
Pencester Gardens can be seen between the houses.
Stembrook flats now occupy the area.
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Belonging to the Dartford Brewery Company, it was fully licensed and
geographically speaking was part of a cul-de-sac in Stembrook. Active in
1839 with its stables housed at number 31, but in 1908 they were let
independently to Alfred Leney. The Place was composed of twenty nine houses,
two being vacant that year.
Redundancy was proved in 1908. It was described then as being an alehouse
but it was also said to be fully licensed. Many were so described at the
time of their demise but I have not the necessary knowledge to give you a
reason. I can say that the pub evolved through the conversion of a cottage
and boasted a front and back parlour.
Agreed compensation in October 1908 gave the mortgagee £489 and the
tenant £76, although Bliss was listed in the Pike's Directory of 1908.
Following removal of the properties in 1951 guess what? That's
right, another car park.
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From the Kentish Gazette 9 January 1838.
DEATH.
Jan 1, at Dover, after a long illness, Mr. Richard Tenney, late
landlord of the "Old Fountain" public house, leaving a widow and
large family unprovided for.
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From the Kentish Gazette, 9 January 1838.
Jan 1, at Dover, after a long illness, Mr. Richard Tenney, landlord of
the "Old Fountain" public house, leaving a wife and large
family unprovided for.
At present the name of this licensee doesn't
tally with the information already suggested, but without an address I
am only assuming it is this house and not another with the same name.
Further research tells me that a Richard Tenney was licensee of the "Steamboat"
in 1823 but not 1838.
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From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General
Advertiser, Saturday 11 November, 1848. Price 5d.
PETTY SESSIONS
Partridge, chargesd with creating a disturbance at the "Old
Fountain," Caroline Place - Fined 2s.
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Southeastern Gazette, 1 March 1853.
Death
Feb. 20, at the "Old Fountain," Caroline-place, Dover, Mr. Peter
Symonds, aged 80 years, boatman, and for 40 years a licensed
victualler. ("Hope
Inn.")
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From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 20
April, 1861.
Susannah Thorpe, landlady of the "Old Fountain Inn," Caroline Place,
was summoned for an infringement of her license, and was fined 5s. and
costs.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer,
4 January, 1867. Price 1d.
CREDITABLE TO THE POLICE
Henry Charles Solley, landlord of the "Old Fountain Inn," Caroline
Place, was charged for that he did open his house before the hour of
half-past twelve o'clock on Christmas Day, to-wit, at the hour of ten
past one o'clock a.m.
Defendant pleaded guilty, but stated that in either towns where he
had kept public houses, the police were not half so strict as they were
in Dover.
The Magistrates fined the defendant 2s. 6d. and 8s. 6d. costs.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday,
1 March, 1867.
INFRINGEMENT OF LICENSE
Henry Charles Solley, landlord of the "Old Fountain," Caroline Place,
was charged with having his house illegally open on Sunday, but was
dismissed on paying the costs, 6s. 6d.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 14 February, 1908.
THE ANNUAL LICENSING MEETING
THE OLD FOUNTAIN
Mr. Clinch, Gravesend applied for the renewal of the licence of the
"Old Fountain," Caroline Place, on behalf of the Dartford brewery
Company, the licence being opposed by the police.
Inspector Fox stated: The "Old Fountain" is a fully licensed house
situated in Caroline Place, a cul-de-sac, of cottage property, behind
St. Mary's Church. The owners are the Dartford Brewery Company, and the
present tenant Charles Frederick Bliss. The licence was transferred to
him on October 3rd, 1906. There have been four tenants in the last ten
years. The rateable value of the house is £18 gross, £14 10s. nett. The
licensed houses in the immediate neighbourhood are the "Star," Church
Street, 37 yards away; the "Ancient Druids," Stembrook, 79 yards away;
the "Burlington Inn," Church Street, 87 yards away. The frontage of the
house is 18ft. 8in., the passage entrance serves as a bar, customers
being served through a hatch. The house was originally a cottage. There
is a front parlour, and back parlour, which is sometimes used by the
tenant and his family. There are 29 houses in Caroline Place, two of
which are unoccupied. There are stables to the house, but they are now
let independently, being, I believe, in the occupation of Messrs. Leney
and Co. The house was visited by me on Monday, January 20th at 9.55
a.m., when there were two customers there; on Thursday, 25th January, I
visited at 2.25 with Detective Mount, and found one customer; and on
Tuesday, 4th February, at 8.40 p.m., we found one customer there, on
Friday, February 7th, at 6.40 p.m., there were two customers.
Detective Mount corroborated to the number of customers.
Mr. Clinch said that his clients had instructed him to make enquiry.
They had found that the Justices having charge of the matter had made
many enquiries, and they knew the locality and the requirements of the
neighbourhood, having regard to that, they would not oppose the decision
arrived at, but at the proper time they would bring out the trade.
The whole of the four cases ("Canterbury Bell," "Old Fountain,"
"Ordnance Arms," and "Devonshire Arms," were referred to the East
Kent Quarter Session for decision whether they would grant compensation
for the non-renewal of the licenses.
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From the Whitstable Times and Herne Bay Herald, 24 October, 1908.
EAST KENT LICENSING COMMITTEE. SUPPLEMENTAL MEETING AT CANTERBURY. COMPENSATION AWARDS.
The supplemental meeting of the East Kent Licensing Committee met at the
Sessions House, Longport, Canterbury, on Monday for the purpose of
considering claims for compensation under the Licensing Act of 1904.
Lord Harris presided, the other members of the Committee present being
Lieut.-Colonel S. Newton-Dickenson, Messrs. F. H. Wilbee, H. Fitzwalter
Plumptre, J. H. Monins. F. E. Burke, F. Cheesmsn, and A. Flint. The
majority of the agreements as to terms of compensation between owners
and tenants were signed, only four cases being referred to the Inland
Revenue. The following agreements were signed:—
"Old Fountain," Dover, Dartford
Brewery Co. Ltd.. and Thos. Martin (and others), Hornsey, Middlesex
(mortgagee), £489 to mortgagee, C. F. Bliss £76.
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LICENSEE LIST
REYNOLDS Richard 1826-40+
PITCHER Henry 1847-52+
(age 41 in 1851 )
THORPE Susannah 1858-61
 
PAY to May/1863
CLEMENTS W May/1863+
SOLLEY Henry Charles 1866-July/68
JASPER Thomas July/1868-95
(age 63 in 1891)
    
(and Carpenter
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CASWELL E 1898
CHANDLER William George 1898-Jan/1900+
ADAMS John Rowe Jan/1900+
BEATTON/BEETON Emily Jane Mrs 1903-Sept/1904
 
HICKS Emily Jane Mrs Sept/1904+
(new
married name of above)
BLISS Charles Frederick Aug/1906-08
From the Pigot's Directory 1840
From Bagshaw Directory 1847
From Melville's Directory 1858
From the Kelly's Directory 1874
From the Post Office Directory 1874
From the Post Office Directory 1882
From the Post Office Directory 1891
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1895
From the Kelly's Directory 1899
From the Post Office Directory 1901
From the Post Office Directory 1903
From the Kelly's Directory 1903
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1909
From the Dover Express
Census
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