188 High Street
Chatham
I have also seen this mentioned as the "Thistle
and Crown."
Up to and including 1874 the address was given as number 282, the street
must have been renumbered by the 1891 census.
This was owned by Edward Winch in 1880 when the licensee was Ann Tonkin
although by that time the mane should have been the "United
Services."
The pub is said to have changed name to the "United
Services" between 1880 and 1890 but I do have reference from the Licensing
Records of 1872 that says it was called the "United Services" then, unless
this was a different pub withy the same name. Unfortunately the records give
no address.
Kentish Gazette, 16 June, 1781.
To be Let, and entered upon immediately,
A good accustomed Public House, well situated, opposite the Block,
in Pump Makers Yard, Strood, known by the name of the "George,"
lately rebuilt.
For particulars enquire of John Tribe, the "Crown and Thistle,"
Chatham.
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Canterbury Weekly, 28 August, 1837.
Suspected Murder.
On Thursday week, a Coroner's inquest was held at the "Crown and
Thistle," High Street, Chatham, before are R. Hinde, Esq., coroner,
touching the death of a man named Barney McAnns, late of the 17th
Regiment.
The case excited the greatest interest, owing to the reports
circulated throughout the town that the man had been poisoned by
a woman. Long before the coroner had arrived, the house was literally
besieged by person's, anxious to hear the enquiry. About 11:30 the
jury were empanelled; and the first witness called was the landlord
of the house.
Mr. Richard Gould:- He said the deceased came into his house,
accompanied by a woman, about half past 11 o'clock, on the morning
of yesterday. When he saw the deceased first he was lying on the
wooden seat in the back room, at his full length, vomiting. He
imagined he was tipsy, and wished him to go out of doors. The
deceased refused. Before he saw the deceased, he saw a woman come
out of the room and go out of the back door. He had seen her before;
but did not know her name. He eventually forced the deceased out,
and placed him at the back door, and thought, by his remaining
there, he might recover. The landlord them remonstrated with his
wife for serving the deceased, as he thought he was in liquor. She
answered that the man did not appear intoxicated, and that all she
had served in with was a pint of ale.
The young woman, who had been with the deceased shortly came back,
and said the man was not drunk, but unwell. She then left the house;
and the deceased said he had drink nothing, but admitted he had
taken poison. He still thought the deceased was intoxicated; and led
him to the upper part of the stable. On his return to the house, he
found a warehouseman of Mr Young's; who said he had found a label
marked poison, lying on the floor. Several medical men were then
searched after; but none could be found, accept a Mr. Powell; but
before Mr. Powell could arrive the man was dead. A peace officer of
the name of Croft arrived; who, hearing what had happened, took the
girl into custody. She was searched but nothing was found upon her
person.
Mrs. Jane Gould, wife of the landlord, corroborated the testimony on
her husband.
Sergeant John Brady of the 17th Regiment of Foot stationed at
Chatham, deposed that the deceased was a private soldier in the
regiments, and was discharged three months ago. He was a sober man.
Elizabeth Hooker, the woman the deceased was in company with, said -
I have known the deceased three months. About 8 o'clock on the
morning of yesterday we had a glass of whiskey and water each at the
"Queen's Head." I saw him again between the hours of ten and eleven,
near the Military Road. he said he was going down to Chatham to get
his breakfast. I said I was going to the fruiterer's to buy some
currents. The deceased said he was going to buy some salts and hoped
she would not be long. I saw the deceased again, and he asked me to
go and take ale, which I agreed to; and we both came to the "Crown
and Thistle." We went into the back room, and the deceased ordered
one pint of ale. In conversation he asked me to go to Canterbury
with him. I said I would not. He then wanted me to go part of the
way with him; which I agree to do, and was going to write a note to
send up to the "Queen's Head," for a bonnet and shawl. The note was
not written because the deceased would not let me write, unless I
would consent to stay with him. He then said he would take his
salts, and would go over and take a cup of tea. He took from his
pocket a small parcel of white paper, and emptied it into a part of
a glass of ale, stirred it up, and drank it. The salts had not all
dissolved, and I said you have drank the liquor and left the salts.
He answered he had left them for me. He then put half a glass of ale
into it, and put it to me to drink. I said I did not want physic,
and would not take it. He then said if I did not, he would throw it
over me or put it down my throat. He then took me by the nose, and
put it to my mouth. I tasted it and said "Barney, it is sour." He
then got up and threw the contents behind the fire place; and said
that what he had taken was to sober himself, as he was going to see
a gentleman concerning some spoons. Immediately he was taken sick
and Mr. Gould then came into the room. I left the house frightened
and went to the "Queen's Head." I was fetched back to the "Crown and
Thistle," and went to the stable, and found he was dead. I knew him
and kissed his forehead. The deceased was a passionate man, but not
subject to drink. The morning in question he was more pleasing and
quiet.
George William's Dadd acknowledged serving a person answering the
deceased with one ounce of of oxalic acid about 10 o'clock
yesterday. He said he wanted to clean some boot tops. The rapper was
stamped poison on it.
The jury, after sometime, returned the verdict that the deceased
destroyed himself by taking oxalic acid, but whether the deceased
was in his sound and proper sense at the time, no satisfactory
evidence appeared to the jurors.
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South Eastern Gazette, 26 June, 1860.
Friday. (Before the Revs. G. Davies and J. J. Marsham).
James Hill, a private in the 20th Regt., and Thomas Davis, of the
23rd Royal Welsh Fusiliers, were finally examined on a charge of
highway robbery, accompanied with violence, on the person of John
Wells, lately discharged from the 60th Rifles, at Chatham.
It appeared that the prosecutor was drinking with the prisoners,
neither of whom had he seen before, at the "Royal
Oak," High-street, at which time he had five sovereigns and some
silver in his possession fastened in a belt which he wore round his
waist. During the time they were drinking together in the tap-room
of the "Royal Oak,"
one of the prisoners was observed by a girl there to empty a white
powder from a paper into a pot or beer which prosecutor was
drinking. They afterwards all left the "Royal
Oak" and proceeded together to the "Gibraltar"
public-house, but returned over the New-road towards the "Royal
Oak," when as they were passing along by some railings Davies
suddenly asked prosecutor to give him some money. The prosecutor
said he would, and was about to take 6d. out of his belt, when the
prisoner Hills struck him a violent blow in the face, and at the
same moment the other prisoner snatched his belt out of his hand,
and both ran away as fast as they could in the direction of
Rome-lane. In a very short time after the robbery both prisoners ran
into the "Crown and Thistle"
public-house, High-street, and made their way upstairs into a
bed-room, where they exhibited several sovereigns to a female living
there. At that moment the police entered the house, when both
prisoners secreted themselves under the bed, but were taken by
Police-constable 108, who conveyed them both to the station-house,
where no money was found on either of them. The officer, however,
returned to the room in which he had apprehended the prisoners, and
under the bed where Hills had crawled he found two sovereigns and an
Indian coin which the prisoner said was his.
Mr. Davies asked what had become of the other sovereigns, as only
two had been found.
Superintendent Everist said he had no doubt the prisoners had
swallowed them.
The prisoners were committed for trial.
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South Eastern Gazette, 31 July, 1860.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS to be heard at the Sessions House, Maidstone,
before the Judge of the County Court of Kent, on Tuesday, the
Fourteenth day of August, 1860, at Eleven o'clock in the forenoon
precisely.
OBADIAH WHITE, formerly of the "Crown and Thistle," High-street,
Chatham, Kent, licensed victualler and dealer in tobacco; then
lodging at the "Druids Arms Inn," Blue Town, Sheerness, Kent, out of
business; and then and late of the "Ship Inn," Queenborough, Kent,
licensed victualler and dealer in tobacco.
CHARLES MORGAN,
Insolvents’ Attorney, Maidstone.
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South Eastern Gazette, 11 September, 1860.
COUNTY PETTY SESSIONS.
Friday. (Before the Rev. G. Davies, W. H. Nicholson and T. H. Day,
Esqrs.)
An old pensioner named James Benny, of 4, Queen’s-court, Brompton,
was charged with stealing a carpet-bag, containing a quantity of
wearing apparel, from the "Crown and Thistle" public-house,
High-street, Chatham.
Robert De Melvin, a military look man, said he was stopping at the
public-house with his little girl, eight years old, and having
occasion to go out for a short time he left his carpet-bag behind in
the smoking-room, in charge of the child, the prisoner being also
there. On returning in a short time afterwards he found that his bag
had been stolen, and his little girl was unable to give any account
of it. Since the prisoner had been apprehended he had expressed to
prosecutor his regret that he had taken the bag.
P.C. Shonk, 46, K.C.C., said he traced the prisoner to
Queen’s-court, Brompton, and met him coming out with the bag in his
hand; it was still locked and had not been opened. As the officer
was going into the house he heard the prisoner say to some one that
he was sorry he had taken the bag, and would give it back to the
owner. Prisoner also told witness he would have given back the bag
to the prosecutor, if he could have found him. The prisoner was the
worse for drink.
The prisoner said he was guilty, but he trusted the magistrates
would deal leniently with him, as he did it through drink. He had
been a solider 26 years, and had always borne a good character.
Superintendent Everist said the prisoner did not bear good
character, and some time ago stole a valuable gold watch.
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Maidstone and Kentish Journal, 12 September, 1870.
Chatham Police Court. This day Monday.
Before F. E. Guise, Esq., Stipendairy Magistrate
Edward Hodges, landlord of the "Crown and Thistle Inn," High Street,
pleaded guilty to having his house open for the sale of beer and other
liquors, on Sunday morning,
28th August.
There were no previous complaints against the house, and the magistrates
inflicted a penalty of £2, and 9s. costs.
Paid.
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LICENSEE LIST
TUBB/TRIBE John 1793+ (Thistle and Crown)
BUTCHER James 1828+
WEST Thomas 1832+
(273 High Street)
GOLD Richard 1838-51+ (age 50 in 1851)
BURFORD Robert 1858+
WHITE Obadiah 1860
FANCETT/FAWCETT Stephen 1861-62+ (age 52 in 1861)
HODGES Edward 1870+
TONKIN Ann 1874-82+ (widow age 62 in 1881)
KNOTT Robert 1891+ (age 36 in 1891)
https://pubwiki.co.uk/CrownThistle.shtml
Universal
British Directory of Trade 1793
From the Pigot's Directory 1828-29
From the Pigot's Directory 1832-33-34
Wright's
Topography 1838
Census
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