21 Hawkesbury Street
Dover
A fully licensed house of Mackeson, Hythe. In 1882 the number was 21 and
in 1884 it was referred to as "Neptune Arms". Pilcher received a new licence
in 1845.
From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General
Advertiser, Saturday 15 December, 1855. Price 7d.
DOVER PETTY COURT
George Challis, a publican (I am assuming this was the pub in
question,) was summoned for having his house open contrary to the
Act on Sunday, was fined 15s. including costs.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 5 September, 1884. 1d.
DOVER BREWSTER SESSIONS
With regard to the “Neptune Arms” it was stated that no other tenant
had been found, therefore the license was renewed in the name of Bailey.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 30 August, 1889. Price 1d.
DOVER BREWSTER SESSIONS
NEPTUNE HALL VACATED
There was no tenant in this house, the occupier having gone away
suddenly. Stephen Godden, cashier to the brewers at Hythe, gave
evidence. He produced a letter from F. Burnham, the previous tenant, who
said, “I have been trying to make this house pay, but I have come to the
conclusion that it is impossible. I am paying you a pound a week off the
old debt and am owing it somewhere else. This will not last. I am
expecting to go away next week, but my wife will stay a little while. I
do not wish to do anything unfair, but must look after myself. If you
will fix a day I will come and see you. E. Burnham.” On the 15th of
August, the day that the letter was received, they received a telegram
from Burnham, “Left Dover this morning urgent, my wife remains.” Later
in the same day they had a telegram from Mrs. Burnham at Dover, “Come at
once, or must close.” They took over the house from Mrs. Burnham, and
they now offered E. Marsh, of Hythe, as a tenant. His references were
good, and the license was granted to him.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 10
July, 1889. Price 1d.
TRANSFERS LAST FRIDAY
Henry Hoskins applied for a license of the "Neptune Hall" to be
transferred to him, John Matison, the previous holder, having gone away.
Matison held under an agreement from Mr. Mackeson as a weekly tenant; he
had cleared out, and Hoskins was now in possession. It was allowed.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 25 August, 1893. 1d.
LICENSE SUSPENSION BY EJECTMENT
Proof having been given that the late landlord had been ejected by order
of the County Court from the “Neptune Hall” the license was on the
application of Mr. Martyn Mowll granted to Mr. Hoskyns, the present
occupier.
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In 1910, £2,375 was paid by Dover Corporation for four licences. I have
presumed that the "Neptune Hall" was included. When the Compensation
Authority people entered the picture later that year, the Corporation, were
awarded £717. 17s.6d. and the tenant £70.
Other premises referred that year were the "Milestone", "Pier Inn" and
"Beaconsfield Arms".
From the Dover Express and East Kent News, 11 February, 1910.
DOVER LICENSING SESSIONS
THE NEPTUNE HALL.
This was also a house to which objections to the renewal of the
license had been given on orders of the Magistrates on the ground of
redundancy.
Mr. Rutley Mowll appeared to represent the tenant.
The Chief Constable said that the Neptune Hall, Hawkesbury Street,
was fully licensed. The brewers were Messrs. Mackeson and Co. Hythe. The
tenant was Mr. G. H. Walker, and it was transferred to him on August
16th, 1895. The rateable value was £15 gross, £12 net. The licensed
houses in the immediate vicinity were the "Albion" 67 yards, the
"Railway Inn" 97 yards, the "Archliffe Fort Inn" back door 30 yards, the
front 50 yards, the "Endeavour," Bulwark Street, 93 yards, the "Hope,"
Council House Street, 120 yards, the "Granville Arms," Limekiln Street,
64 yards, the "Two Brewers," Limekiln Street, side door 66 yards, front
door 76 yards. Including the buffets at the Railway stations, there were
27 licensed houses in the area to the west of the railway. The total
number of houses in the area was 493, and 430 were occupied and 63
empty. Reckoning five persons to each house there were 2175 in the
district, or 80 persons to each license in the district. That included
children. In Hawkesbury Street there were 23 houses, including three
licensed premises. In the immediate neighbourhood a number of the house
had been demolished. The frontage was 14ft. 10in. The side of the house
abutted on to Bulwark Lane, and was 47ft. The accommodation was a
private bar in front, public bar, door at side entrance. private sitting
room, used also as a store room, and a kitchen on the ground floor.
Upstairs there was one sitting room, three bedrooms, and two rooms not
in use. At 11.20 on Thursday, 20th January, there was one customer, at
3.30 on January 24th no customers, at 9.30 a.m. on Monday, 31st, no
customers, at 7.20 p.m. on Thursday, February 3rd, two customers.
The Mayor: The house has been well conducted. - Oh yes, the man has
been there since 1895.
Mr. Mowll: In regard to these visits, you say, I see you gave him two
visits on Thursday? - Yes.
It so happens he has been keeping a little record against you, and on
Thursday there were 83 customers.
The Mayor: That is the whole day?
Mr. Mowll: yes, not at one time, of course.
The Mayor: You are not questioning his evidence?
Mr. Mowll: No. In regard to Superintendent Fox I should not question
his word. I was questioning the value of his evidence. On Monday, the
27th, when you say there were no customers when you went into the house
there were over 60 on that day. On the Thursday there were 34, on Friday
88, on Saturday 96, on Monday 63, on Tuesday 53, on Wednesday 46, on
Thursday 63, on Friday 76. You see from these figures that your little
test of visits at carefully selected times are hardly a fair criterion
of the trade being done.
Chief Constable Fox: I see yours increase as time went on; evidently
they knew something was coming off.
It is not a wise remark on your part, and it is not true. In regard
to the number of licensed premises in the district, if I remember
rightly you gave the same evidence in respect to the "Albion" last year?
- Yes; it would cost too much to close it.
When you made a statement as to the population in this immediate area
I think you will agree with me that the public houses in the Pier
district cater for people who live in other parts of the town and work
in the neighbourhood? - Yes, I have also included any military who live
near or pass through the district.
Mr. Mowll said that the basis taken, therefore was not of much value.
The Mayor: Surely the basis is to take so many people into each
house. The Superintendent has also stated that you must consider the
large number of working people who come down to the Pier district.
Mr. Mowll: This tenant has been in the house for 14 years?
The Chief Constable: Yes.
He has no other means of livelihood, and that means that he has
been able to get a living during that time? - I have his own words
for it; he says he has.
THE DECISION.
The Mayor at once said: The Bench have come to the conclusion that
the four licenses ought to go forward. Of course we quite appreciate the
eloquence of our friend, Mr. Mowll, and if it were a question of dealing
with a matter from one of sentiment, it might have been decided
otherwise. We have a very difficult question to deal with, and the
decision we have come to must have regard to the question of redundancy
in the neighbourhood. before even this case went to Court great care was
taken that those houses which we really believed are redundant, are
those that come before the Court, and I think the Bench in this case are
of the opinion that all these houses are in that category, and that it
is important to do otherwise than to send the four cases to be dealt
with by the Quarter Sessions.
The licenses were provisionally renewed pending the decision of
Quarter Sessions.
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From the Whitstable Times and Herne Bay Herald, Saturday, 19 November, 1910.
EAST KENT LICENSING COMMITTEE. SUPPLEMENTAL MEETING.
The "Neptune’s Hall." Hawkesbury Street, Dover, alehouse, owners the
Dover Town Council, tenant Mr. George Henry Walker. Total amount £787
17s. 6d.; divided, owners £717 17s. 6d., tenant £70.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, 24 March, 1911.
THE NEPTUNE HALL
The Surveyor reported that he had received a letter from Mr. T. W.
Fry, who stated that several fixtures and fittings were left at the
"Neptune Hall" when it was closed, including a bar counter, a beer
engine, measures and sundry articles, etc. He advised the Corporation to
sell them privately as he could get a better price for them than if they
were sold to an association sale. (Laughter.)
More of this to follow
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LICENSEE LIST
PILCHER William 1845-47
CHALLIS George 1855 (Guess on my part)
CHALLIS Mrs Eliza 1874-75 end
YOUNG George Charles 1875-Jan/1880
EDRUPT William Jan/1880-82
BAILEY 1884
MARSH Edward 1889
BURNHAM E 1889 end
WATSON John Earl 1890
MATTISON Fanny 1891+ (age 32 in 1891)
MATISON John Earl to July/1891
HOSKENS Henry July/1891-95
WALKER George Henry 1895-Dec/1910
From Bagshaw Directory 1847
From the Post Office Directory 1874
From the Post Office Directory 1882
From the Post Office Directory 1891
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1895
From the Kelly's Directory 1899
From the Post Office Directory 1901
From the Dover Express
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