From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 3 May, 1901. Price 1d.
WELLESLEY INN APPEAL
The appeal of Alfred Smith, the licensee of the “Wellesley Inn,”
Commercial Quay, against a conviction by the Dover Borough Magistrates
on March 18th last for knowingly permitting his premises to be the
habitual resort of prostitutes, and allowing them to remain longer than
necessary for refreshment on February 23rd and other subsequent dates.
He was then fined £5, and 14s. 6d. costs, and the licence ordered to be
endorsed.
Mr. Rose Innes and Mr. Weigall appeared for the appellant, instructed by
Mr. A. E. Aldington.
Mr. G. F. Hohler appeared for the respondents, instructed by Messrs. E.
W. & V. Knocker.
Mr. Hohler, in opening, said the case came under Section 14 of the
Licensing Act of 1872. The appellant was licensee of the “Wellesley
Inn,” Dover, and although the house was fully licensed he did not take
out a full licence. From February 23rd to March 1st a watch was kept on
this house, and counsel detailed the result, how some well known
characters were seen to enter the house and leave with soldiers several
times during the evenings in question. Counsel also detailed how Police
Sergeant Scutt and other Police Officers called the landlady's attention
to the character of these women, but apparently she thought no one was
watching and allowed the whole thing to continue. There was a side
entrance by an alley or lane which these women always entered by. It
gave access to a small bar partitioned off from the public bar, and it
was an important thing that these women after entering the private bar
passed through into the private bar where they were seen talking to
soldiers and frequenters of this public house. Evidence would give the
name of the women Godsmark, Swinbourne, and two Vickers who frequented
this house. A very significant fact would also appear in the evidence,
viz., that soldiers were seen, when the watch was kept, to go to the
house, and after looking in go away if none of those characters were
there, and the same was the case in regard to the women, while evidence
would be given that on one occasion they called some soldiers back as
they were leaving, and then went away with them. The landlord worked at
the coal mine, and was not always at home, but admitted to the
Magistrates that he was present when the Police visited the premises. He
left the charge principally to his wife, who made the startling
admission to the Police that they kept the private bar for those women,
showing obviously that they clearly recognised what these women were.
[Mr. Rose Innes said the women were not allowed to go anywhere else.] He
considered it incredible that anybody could require to be refreshed six
times in a night, by the landlady seemed to be under the impression that
if she allowed them to be there about ten minutes and then called time
and out they went, that they could come back after an absence of five or
ten minutes. He urged that this case was a flagrant breach of the
section of the Act of Parliament.
Police Sergeant Scutt then gave evidence, and said that at 7.30 and 9
p.m. on February 27th he visited the house, and finding Godsmark and
Swinbourne there, asked the landlady if she was aware of their
character. She replied that they did not stay over their time, and they
left the house. About 9.35 he saw the woman Swinboune leave the house.
In cross-examination Mr. Rose Innes was proceeding to ask as to the
length of time witness saw the woman in the house.
The Recorder said that to allow a stay of ten minutes and then after an
absence of five minutes another ten minutes in the house would be
straining the law.
Mr. Rose Innes said that it was a question of degree.
Mr. Hohler said that he should call evidence as to individual cases
which should startle his learned friend.
Mr. Rose Innes: It didn't before.
Witness continuing, said that on the occasion of his last visit the two
women were in the public bar.
Police Constable Southey then gave his evidence as to repeated visits by
the characters in question, as he did before the Magistrates detailing
the result of the watch he kept on February 23rd, 24th, 25th, 26th,
27th, 28th, and March 1st.
On witness stating that women and soldiers went in the direction of the
North Pier, which was a secluded place.
Mr. Rose Innes objected to this as having nothing to do with the case.
The only thing meant was that there was apparently some part of the town
where the Police could not stop immorality. It was time they did.
Mr. Hohler: That is what we are trying to do.
Cross-examined. Witness had seen five bad women use this public house,
which was conducted as a beer shop. Gatehouse used it once, the Vickers
used it about ten times in eight days, but Swinborne and Godsmark used
it more often. Smith so far as witness knew bore a good character. With
one or two exceptions the visits of these women lasted from 5 to 10
minutes, sometimes longer.
Police Sergeant Lockwood then gave evidence as to twice visiting the
house with a Police Constable, and finding Godsmark in the house, and
that he called the landlady's attention. On March 8th, the day the
summons was served, at 9.20 p.m. he found Godsmark and Swinbourne in the
house, the landlady being in charge thereof. At the Magisterial hearing
the landlord said he left the charge of the house to his wife in his
absence but he also said he was there when the Police called two or
three times.
The Recorder remarked that if the licensee chose to go away to work, he
must be considered to “know” what was going on during his absence. Mr.
Rose Innes said that he hoped the Recorder would not retain that
opinion, as that was his point that under the section he did not
knowingly permit these characters to remain beyond a reasonable time.
The Recorder said that that would mean that a man who neglected his duty
by going to work five miles away, might escape the consequences of his
neglect in allowing his servant to serve these bad characters.
Mr. Rose Innes, said that the Recorder had argued that point in 1874.
The Recorder: In my long and chequered career I have argued a good many
bad points.
Cross-examined, witness said that the landlady said she allowed the
women to be there ten minutes, and then when time was up they had to go
outside, and that they were kept to the private bar.
Re-examined. The trade of the house was principally military and
services.
What sort of trade does it do since the summons was served?
Mr. Rose Innes objected to this question.
Mr. Hohler said that it was suggested that it was a misfortune that the
house was used by these women. What he wanted to show was that there was
no genuine trade at the house except for these. Mr. Rose Innes said that the statute did not prevent these being served.
The question was simply whether it was used for the habitual purpose.
The Recorder upheld the objection.
Police Sergeant Fogg then gave evidence that he visited the house on
February 27th at 8.45 and found Godsmark there. In reply to a question
if she knew the character of the women, the landlady said “Yes.” Her
husband was not in.
This completed the case for the respondents.
The Recorder remarked that he took it that that Court was a Court of
summary jurisdiction under the Act, and that he would have full powers
to deal with the case, and if he chose, alter the penalty at his
discretion.
Counsel on both sides assented to this.
Mr. Rose Innes then called Alfred Smith, licensed holder of the
“Wellesley Inn,” who said that the house was managed and carried on by
his wife, and he was engaged as a miner at the Kent coal mine. His work
was in 8-hour shifts, which changed from 6-2, 2-10, and 10-6. During the
whole week of eight days that the Police said they were keeping a watch,
he was not at any time conducting the business himself. On February 23rd
he came off at six o'clock in the evening.
The Recorder: This is a little dangerous, because if a man has got a
licence and wholly neglects his business------
Mr. Rose Innes said that terrors attending that line were very clear to
his client, but he would not press this matter, and he would turn to
another point.
Witness, continuing, said that they only sold beer, and in leaving the
house he gave directions about he women being served in the private bar.
The Recorder: How long have you been there?
Two and a half years.
Leaving your wife to conduct the licensed business while you attend to
the mine?
Witness: Yes, there is not enough trade at the house to keep a man
alone.
Mr Hohler: There is not enough trade at the house to get a living?
No.
Worse than before since the summons?
The same as it has been since the troops left the town.
Did the women frequent it all that time?
Yes, the same as they do many more houses in the town.
For the purpose of picking up soldiers?
The same as any public house.
To pick up soldiers?
I don't say so. The same as at any other public house.
How many times an evening?
Witness said they had been in four times.
You knew all about them?
I know they behaved themselves in my house. Was I to follow the “girls”
across the street and mind what they did?
Mr. Hohler: Oh, then you were there? I thought you were a miner!
Witness got indignant, and told Mr. Hohler that he was a miner beneath
the earth, not a minder of other people's business.
Mr. Hohler: You should keep cool. You are not nearly so cool as I am.
You don't mind, then how many loose women come in your house?
Witness: No, so long as they are well behaved and civil and don't stay
there more than ten minutes.
Why do you mind how long?
Because that is long enough to get refreshment.
Can they go out and come back after 5 minutes?
No.
Have they gone out for five minutes and come back for 5 minutes more?
Why should I not serve them any more than my own father whilst they
conduct themselves quietly?
Then you don't mind how they conduct themselves morally?
I draw the line as to how they conduct themselves in my house.
Have you had notice to quit from your brewer?
No.
Did they ever make a complaint that you did not sell enough beer?
Mr. Rose Innes objected to that question.
The Recorder rules that the question might be put as if he had had that
complaint it might be a reason why he carried on trade in an irregular
way.
Mr. Hohler: Your brewers are Messrs. Phillips and Co., of Malden?
Witness: Yes.
Is it not a fact that they informed you that unless your sale increased
you will have to quit?
No, not from Phillips and Co.
Who was it from?
Not from the Brewery Company.
Has not the agent?
No.
Has not somebody told you? Why do you confine your answer to “Not from
the Brewery Company?”
Because they are a Company. No one has told me either by post or by word
of mouth.
Has anyone told you any other way?
No.
What is your sale of beer?
I am not obliged to tell you, and I will not.
Are you tenant of this house, or manager?
I pay the rent.
Who put you in – Phillips and Co?
No.
Did you ever take out a spirit licence?
No.
Re-examined by Mr. Rose Innes. The soldiers in the habit of frequenting
this house conducted themselves properly.
Are you aware that you are as much bound to serve an unfortunate as
anybody else?
Yes.
Have you seen them there more than a reasonable time?
No.
The Recorder: Ten minutes is a short time for a meal, but for a glass of
beer it is rather long, especially if you have had another not
half-an-hour before.
Mr. Rose Innes said he could not speak from experience, but he should
not have thought so.
The Recorder: Some drink beer up at once, some sip it. You must not make
it last ten minutes or a quarter of an hour. That would be colourable.
Mr. Rose Inns said he would ask witness whether having regard to his
experience as a licensed victualler, what in his opinion was a
reasonable time in which to consume the liquor.
The Recorder: You can ask him, but his opinion would be utterly
worthless.
Mr. Rose Innes: Then I won't ask him.
Mrs. Smith, wife of the licensee, and who conducted the licensed
business in his absence, was the next witness. She said that the women
were known to her by sight, and her practice was to give them about ten
minutes to consume their liquor, and sometimes on wet nights they might
have been longer, but not thirty minutes. Everything had gone on
properly and with decorum while in the house.
Cross-examined. Witness said that some of the women who used her house
were respectable. There were two or three.
You have had two or three respectable women in your house in the last
two years?
Witness: More than that. I have friends.
I don't mean your friends?
There might be seven or eight dozen.
Independently of them, they are all this loose class of women?
Only these five.
How do you get rid of them?
I tell them it is time to drink up and clear out.
They just go outside and come back?
No.
How long do they remain outside?
Quite half an hour or a quarter of an hour.
On February 23rd one of them came in a number of times. Did they ever
order more than one or two drinks of a night?
Witness said they always ordered something.
You are very careful about them being sober?
Yes.
Is it not a fact that they used to go in without drinking?
If they did so they walked straight out again.
The Police called attention to these women?
Yes, but they did nothing wrong.
After the summons they did not come?
No.
How did you get rid of them?
Because they heard the summons.
Has the trade fallen off?
No.
Then they did not drink very much?
What are 3 or 4 glasses of beer?
Have you ever had any complaint of notice from your brewer that you must
sell more beer?
No.
Not by word of mouth?
No.
What trade do you do?
Witness declined to reply.
By Mr. Rose Innes. We charge 1d. per glass for beer.
This closed the evidence for the appellants.
Mr. Rose Innes, in addressing the Recorder read Section 14 of the Act,
and laid stress on the wording “not longer than necessary,” and argued
that this legislation did not intend this class of persons to be
debarred from entering a licensed house any more than a church or
theatre if they paid their way. The next question was whether the way in
which the house was conducted, and the time occupied by and the
frequency of the visits was an offence under the statute. He did not
consider that half a dozen visits would be an offence. It was knowingly
permitted it to be a habitual resort. That was the legislator's wording.
It granted them the right to go in, and only excluded on the express
terms quoted.
The Recorder said that in the statute the element in the case was for
refreshment. Here it was only drink.
Mr. Rose Innes argued that the word refreshment only meant liquor. It
was only a beer shop of a very cheap character.
The Recorder, in regard to the question of the landlord's knowledge,
said that it had been distinctly held that “knowingly” applied to the
landlord's manager, whether wife, barman, or barmaid.
Mr. Rose Innes said he would read a case which went exactly the other
way, viz., Commissioners of Police v. Cartman, 1896, in which a drunken
person was served by a barman contrary to the orders of his master. The
Lord Chief Justice, however, decided that the legislature being in the
interests of public order to prevent the sale of liquor to drunken
persons, and the actual control of the trade being in the majority of
cases deputed to other persons than the manager he must be subject to
the acts of others according to the scope of their employment.
The Recorder remarked that that did not help appellant.
Mr. Rose Innes said perhaps he had set it in a wrong way, as he did not
quite see it himself now. They were left, however, to carry on business
without breach of the law, and were bound to serve these people.
The Recorder: You are not bound to serve anybody except bona fide
travellers.
Mr. Rose Innes said it was clearly not in the scope of his wife's
authority to allow the house to be the resort of these women.
The Recorder: You are driven to this conclusion in view that the whole
of the Act of Parliament may be brushed aside in order to allow a man to
neglect his business. Your argument drives you to an absurdity.
Mr. Rose Innes: So would the gaming case decision if followed to its
logical issues.
The Recorder asked if he had any other authorities.
Mr. Rose Innes quotes Somerset v. Hart and others. There must be guilty
knowledge on the part of the person charged. He would not unduly press
this point, and proceeded to argue generally against the conviction, and
that the penalty was too severe.
The Recorder said he need not trouble Mr. Hohler to argue the case as to
the knowledge of the wife on behalf of her husband, or that the case
came under the 14th section. The evidence seemed to be overwhelming that
the holder of this licensed house knowingly through his wife permitted
his premises to be habitual resort or place of meeting of these women,
and, whatever their object, she allowed them to remain longer than
necessary for the purpose of obtaining refreshment, because they came to
the house, left it, back, more drink, back, and more drink again.
Therefore he felt that an offence had been committed. With regard to the
sentence. There had never been a conviction before, and these people had
been there for two years.
Mr. Hohler said he submitted on behalf of the Police that it was very
great importance that a record should be made on the licence in regard
to that case. Because, first, it appeared that they had a fully licensed
house, but that that licence was so valueless that he did not take out a
spirit licence.
The Recorder said that a man was not bound to take out a spirit licence.
There had been no drunkenness, no disorder, and except on one occasion
there had been no warning. It was a question in his mind whether for the
first offence a licence should be endorsed. He had power to increase the
pecuniary penalty. He had, however, he confessed, some doubt whether for
a first offence he should allow the licence to be endorsed, because that
affected vary materially the value of the property, and then the penalty
was a very severe one.
Mr. Hohler: That is the very thing I respectfully urge. Touch the
brewer! Unless you can touch him it is perfectly hopeless. The man will
very likely get notice tomorrow and go out. They put a man known to be a
miner, - they put him in a house which can't give him a livelihood.
Ought they to get off scot-free? Unless you tough the brewer you will
never enforce the administration of the licensing laws. This has been
going on for the last two years, and even if there was remissness on the
part of the Police (they do not always hear of these things), I submit
now on behalf of the magistrates and the Police that this sentence
should be enforced in its entirety.
Mr. Rose Innes said that if the Police had made a single representation
to the brewer they would have watched the place. Taking his friend's
argument to be right, which he did not, even then there was no right to
put the penalty on the brewer.
The Recorder said that there had been no drunkenness or disorder.
Mr. Rose Innes said that pressing for the heaviest penalty at a first
offence was contrary to all reason.
The Recorder then gave his decision. The conviction must be confirmed,
and he thought it a case in which he should impose the maximum penalty
under Section 6, viz., £10. He thought, having regard to the facts of
the case, that endorsing the licence was such a very severe penalty that
he was not disposed to order that to be done. His judgement was,
therefore, penalty £10, licence not to be endorsed. There was the very
serious part of the case, however, that appellant must pay the costs of
appeal, which would come to a very considerable sum, and would, he
thought, meet the justice of the case.
After some conversation, in which Mr. Hohler suggested £10 costs, both
counsel agreed to the costs being subject to taxation out of sessions by
the Clerk of the Peace.
The Recorder concluded by saying: Between this and the licensing day I
should recommend the licensee to take care that he does not get into
trouble again, or there will be an endorsement on the licence which will
not be removed.
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