138 Foord Road
Folkestone
01303 252477
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Above showing the "Red Cow" circa 1860. |
Above photo circa 1910. |
Above photo taken and sent by Chris Excell, 9 January 1983. |
Above photos date unknown. |
Above photograph kindly supplied by Jan Pedersen, 1978. |
Above photographs by Paul Skelton, 5 July 2009.
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Above photo kindly sent by Phil Nicholson, 29 November, 2012. |
The "Red Cow" is in the district of Foord, once a separate village and
was retailing beer in the seventeenth century, it was known for a time as
the "Plough." A health-giving
chalybeate spring, rising nearby, was an attraction for visitors to the
humble fishing-port, and must have brought much trade to the inn.
Supplied by Alfred Leney Co Ltd, who bought out Thomas Walker's Phoenix
Brewery in 1859 and registered as such in 1896, until bought out by Fremlin
Brothers brewery of Maidstone in 1926, brewing at the Dover brewery ceased
in 1927, which later passed to Whitbread.
Information received from a man named Steve December 2012 says the premises is
being operated as an Enterprise Tenancy to Joseph Daniels, a Dover man,
former Eurotunnel employee.
Chief Cleaner is currently Alexandra Rose.
Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811.
General Sessions 27 April 1767.
Before John Hague (Mayor), Mr. John Jordan, Mr. Thomas Baker, Mr. John
Baker, and Mr. Thomas Rolfe.
James Lipscomb, Ric Coveney, John Milton the elder, John Milton the
younger, Henry Barber, Thomas Golder, George Parker, Cassell Burwell,
and Samuel Wicks were fined ¾ each for continuing drinking and tippling
in an alehouse in the township, which fines were paid to the poor.
Elizabeth Pilcher, widow, Jane Fox, widow, Anne Gittens, widow, and
William Cressey were fined 10/- apiece for suffering persons to continue
drinking and tippling in their houses, which fines were given to the
poor.
Notes: Elizabeth Pilcher PROBABLY widow of at King's Arms. Not listed in
More Bastions. Jane Fox, Five Bells. Anne Gittens, North Foreland.
William Cressey, Red Cow.
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From the Kentish Gazette, Wednesday, 29 June to Saturday 2 July, 1768. Price 2d
FOLKESTONE, JUNE 19th, 1768
Notice is hereby given, That the ANNUAL MEETING of the UNION-SOCIETY at
FOLKESTONE will be held at the Sign of the “RED COW,” in Folkestone, on
Monday the 11th of July next, when and where the members of the said
Society are desired to meet by Ten o'Clock in the Forenoon, in order to
proceed to Church to hear a SERMON preached by the Reverend Mr.
Langhorne, after which to return to the said House, where a DINNER will
be provided.
AND WHEREAS it hath been represented to the said Society, that sundry
Persons would have entered for the said Society if the Age of FORTY
Years had not been reduced to THIRTY-FIVE; Therefore it is ORDERED, that
for the future, any sound and healthy Person not above Forty Years of
Age, whose Residence is not above Thirty-five Miles from the said Town,
by paying the usual Entrance, may be admitted a Member thereof.
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Kentish Gazette 3 July 1776.
Advertisement.
Folkestone Union Society.
Notice is hereby given that the Annual Meeting of this Society will be
held at the sign of the Red Cow on Monday, the 8th instant, when any
person, not exceeding the age of forty years, being approved of, may be
admitted a member, paying Twenty Shillings entrance.
It is requested that those members, who can conveniently, will attend.
Dinner at One O'Clock.
N.B. The Society hath a stock of Eleven Hundred Pounds, and a
probability of its increasing.
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Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811.
General Sessions 26 June 1777.
Wm. Cressey, Benham Beecrot, Rob Martin and Mary Gittens, victuallers,
were fined 6/8 apiece for having short measures in their custody.
Notes: William Cressey, Red Cow. Robert Martin, Chequers. Mary Gittens,
Privateer.
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Kentish Gazette 20 June 1778.
Folkestone Union Society.
Notice is hereby given that the Annual Meeting of the said Society will
be holden at the sign of the Red Cow, in this town. On Monday, the 6th
of July next, when any person, desirous to become a Member thereof,
being under the age of forty years, residing within twenty five miles of
the said town, and approved by a majority of the Members then present,
may be admitted on paying the usual entrance of twenty shillings.
This Society is possessed of a large and improving capital.
June 23rd, 1778.
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Kentish Gazette 6 October 1807.
Advertisement.
To be sold by private contract:
All the Freehold Messuage or Tenement, called or known by the name or
sign of the Red Cow, with the stable and buildings thereto belonging,
and about hnlf an acre, more or less, of pasture land adjoining the
same; situate and being within the liberty of the town of Folkestone now
in the occupation of William Brann, who has notice to quit on the 11th
inst. - The land tax is redeemed.
For further particulars apply to Mr. Reynolds, attorney, Folkestone.
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Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811.
General Sessions 13 October 1807.
Before Thomas Baker (Mayor), John Minter, Joseph Sladen, John Castle,
John Gill, John Bateman and James Major.
The licence of the Red Cow was transferred to Edward Hollingsworth.
Note: Date is at variance with More Bastions.
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Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811.
General Sessions 8 December 1807.
Before Thomas Baker (Mayor), John Minter, Joseph Sladen, John Castle,
John Bateman and James Major.
The licence of the Red Cow was transferred to John Shorter.
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Kentish Chronicle 28 October 1814.
Death: October 25th at the "Red Cow" public House, Folkestone, after a
long and painful illness, Mr. Read.
Note: Not listed in More Bastions.
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Maidstone Gazette 18 February 1851.
Petty Sessions; Before R. Hart Esq., Mayor, S. Mackie, W. Bateman,
W. Major, T. Golder and J. Bateman Esqs.
Auction Extract: Mr. Thomas Robinson has received instructions from
the executors of the will of the late Mrs. Elizabeth Jacobs to offer
for sale by public auction at the "Folkestone Arms Inn," High Street,
Folkestone, on Tuesday, the fourth day of March, 1851, at three
o'clock in the afternoon precisely.
Lot 2 All that long established and advantageously placed free
freehold public house, known as the "Red Cow," at Foord, in the parish
of Folkestone, with commodious stabling, yard, skittle ground, large
and productive garden, in the occupation of Mr. George Goodburn.
N.B. This lot has a beautiful stream of water running through it,
and it altogether forms a compact and valuable property. The
roadside public house and gardens being situate at the village of
Foord, about a quarter of a mile from the rising and important town
of Folkestone, the spot is particularly rural and pleasant, and its
approach easy of access, the roads being good.
This property is capable of considerable improvement, having a
spacious area of ground, which could easily be converted into a tea
and pleasure garden, so much required and sought after by the
numerous influx of visitors to this healthy locality, and favourite
watering place in summer-time, and in the immediate neighbourhood
(within a few yards) is the famous Chalybeate Spring, which could be
turned to good account by an intelligent and active man of business.
Particulars and conditions of sale may be had, three days prior to
the sale, at the Folkestone Arms Inn, Folkestone; of the Auctioneer,
18, Bench Street, Dover; or of Mr. Edward Knocker, solicitor, Castle
Hill, Dover.
Note: Date would suggest this is the "Folkestone Arms Tavern."
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Dover Telegraph 22 February 1851.
Auction Extract: Mr. Thomas Robinson has received instructions from
the executors of the will of the late Mrs. Elizabeth Jacobs to offer
for sale by public auction at the "Folkestone Arms Inn," High Street,
Folkestone, on Tuesday, the fourth day of March, 1851, at three
o'clock in the afternoon precisely.
Lot 2 All that long established and advantageously placed free
freehold public house, known as the "Red Cow", at Foord, in the parish
of Folkestone, with commodious stabling, yard, skittle ground, large
and productive garden, in the occupation of Mr. George Goodburn.
N.B. This lot has a beautiful stream of water running through it,
and it altogether forms a compact and valuable property. The
roadside public house and gardens being situate at the village of
Foord, about a quarter of a mile from the rising and important town
of Folkestone, the spot is particularly rural and pleasant, and its
approach easy of access, the roads being good.
This property is capable of considerable improvement, having a
spacious area of ground, which could easily be converted into a tea
and pleasure garden, so much required and sought after by the
numerous influx of visitors to this healthy locality, and favourite
watering place in summer-time, and in the immediate neighbourhood
(within a few yards) is the famous Chalybeate Spring, which could be
turned to good account by an intelligent and active man of business.
Particulars and conditions of sale may be had, three days prior to
the sale, at the "Folkestone Arms Inn", Folkestone; of the Auctioneer,
18, Bench Street, Dover; or of Mr. Edward Knocker, solicitor, Castle
Hill, Dover.
Note: Date would suggest this is the Folkestone Arms Tavern.
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Dover Telegraph 30 December 1854.
Petty Sessions, Dec. 27: Before W. Major and J. Kelcey Esqs.
The following licenses were transferred: The "Red Cow," Foord, from
John Goodburn to William Prebble; the "Mariners Arms," Radnor Street,
from Thomas Hall to Richard Ovenden; the "Royal Oak," North Street,
from Thomas Saunders to Richard Hills, of Sandgate.
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Southeastern Gazette 2 January 1855.
Local News.
The following licence was transferred. The Red Cow from John Goodban to
William Prebble.
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Folkestone Chronicle 25 July 1857.
Yesterday afternoon the wife of Mr. Harris, tailor, in High Street,
hearing the shop bell ring, went up and found a lady in the shop,
who asked her if she missed anything, as a man had just quitted the
shop in great haste, and appearing to have a bundle of cloth under
his coat. She searched the counter, and found that a new pair of
trousers were missing. Having been informed by the lady that the man
had gone into the "Earl Grey" public house, she went to look for him,
and without hesitation seized him, and proceeded to search him, and
found concealed under his coat the missing pair of trousers. She
immediately collared the thief, and took him to the police station,
opposite her husband's shop. The policeman on duty having searched
him found a cap concealed on his person, which was afterwards
identified as having been stolen from the "Red Cow" public house,
which was broken into and robbed on the previous night. Too much
praise cannot be given to Mrs. Harris for her resolute conduct on
this occasion, as by this means a clue may arise to ascertain the
author of the burglaries which have for some time been so rife in
this neighbourhood.
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Southeastern Gazette 28 July 1857.
Local News.
Robbery.—On Thursday night some person entered a window at the Red Cow
Inn, Foord, and stole the clothes belonging to a lad sleeping in the
room. On Friday evening a man walked into Mr. Harris’s ship in
High-street. A lady, seeing him come out with what appeared to be cloth,
informed Mrs. Harris, who went into the Earl Grey public-house, and
there found the man, whom she collared, and from under his coat she drew
a new pair of trousers and a cap. Mrs. Harris, although resisted by the
fellow, walked him down to the station-house, and gave him in charge of
the police. The cap proved to belong to the lad at the Red Cow.
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Kentish Express 28 July 1857
On Friday afternoon the wife of Mr. Harris, tailor in High Street,
hearing the shop door-bell ring, went up and found a lady in the
shop, who asked her if she missed anything, as a man had just
quitted the shop in great haste, and appearing to have a bundle of
cloth under his coat. She searched the counter and found that a new
pair of trousers were missing. Having been informed by the lady that
the man had gone into the "Earl Grey" public house, she went to look
for him, and without hesitation seized him, and proceeded to search
him, and found concealed under his coat the missing pair of
trousers. She immediately collared the thief and took him to the
police station, opposite her husband's shop. The policeman on duty
having searched him found a cap concealed on his person, which was
afterwards identified as having been stolen from the "Red Cow" public
house, which was broken into and robbed on the previous night. Too
much praise cannot be given to Mrs. Harris for her resolute conduct
on this occasion, as by this means a clue may arise to ascertain the
author of the burglaries which have for some time been so rife in
this neighbourhood. It may be added that the parish church was
broken into a third time on Sunday night, but the burglars were
defeated, the boxes for the receipt of the donations having been
emptied on the same evening.
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Dover Telegraph 1 August 1857.
On Friday afternoon the wife of Mr. Harris, tailor, in High Street,
hearing the shop bell ring, went up and found a lady in the shop,
who asked her if she missed anything, as a man had just quitted the
shop in great haste, and appearing to have a bundle of cloth under
his coat. She searched the counter, and found that a new pair of
trousers were missing. Having been informed by the lady that the man
had gone into the "Earl Grey" public house, she went to look for him,
and without hesitation seized him, and proceeded to search him, and
found concealed under his coat the missing pair of trousers. She
immediately collared the thief, and took him to the police station,
opposite her husband's shop. The policeman on duty found a cap
concealed on his person, which was afterwards identified as having
been stolen from the "Red Cow" public house, which was broken into and
robbed on the previous night. Too much praise cannot be given to
Mrs. Harris for her resolute conduct on this occasion, as by this
means a clue may arise to ascertain the author of the burglaries
which have for some time been so rife in this neighbourhood.
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Folkestone Chronicle 10 October 1857.
Quarter Sessions
Thursday October 8th :- Before C. Harewood esq., Judge of the County
Court, the Mayor, W. Major, J. Kelcey, G. Kennicott and W. Bateman esqs.
John Leigh, carpenter, pleaded not guilty to a charge of breaking into
the "Red Cow" public house, and stealing some wearing apparel, on the 24th
July, the property of Mr. Prebble. The prisoner pleaded guilty to
another charge of stealing a pair of trousers, the property of Mr.
Harris, tailor, High Street.
The first case was as follows: - The prisoner offered a pair of trousers
and two pairs of boot for sale at a low price; this raised suspicion. It
was afterwards discovered that the "Red Cow" had been broken into, and the
property sold by the prisoner was identified by the prosecutor. The
prisoner was also seen about 3 o'clock in the morning, by a man who was
putting out the street lamps, going in the direction of the "Red Cow".
The jury returned a verdict of Guilty. The Recorder sentenced the
prisoner to 6 months hard labour for this offence, and 3 months hard
labour for stealing the trousers. This prisoner has since turned out to
be a ticket-of-leave man.
A ticket of leave was a document of parole issued to convicts who had
shown they could now be trusted with some freedoms. Originally the
ticket was issued in Britain and later adopted by the United States,
Canada and Ireland.
The ticket system began in 1853 when prisoners transported from the
United Kingdom to Australia, and subsequently other colonies, who had
served a period of probation and shown by their good behaviour that they
could be allowed certain freedoms. Once granted a ticket of leave, a
convict was permitted to seek employment within a specified district but
could not leave the district without the permission of the government or
the district's resident magistrate. Each change of employer or district
was recorded on the ticket.
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Folkestone Chronicle 19 December 1857.
Special Sessions for transferring licences.
Wednesday December 16th:- Before R. W. Boarer esq., and G. Kennicott esq.
The licence of the Red Cow was transferred from William Prebble,
deceased, to his widow, Charlotte Prebble.
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Southeastern Gazette 22 December 1857.
Wednesday: Before R.W. Boarer and G. Kennicott Esqs.
The licence of the Red Cow was transferred from William Prebble,
deceased, to his widow, Charlotte Prebble.
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Kentish Gazette 22 December 1857
At the special sessions for transferring licences on Wednesday, the
license of the "Red Cow" was transferred from William Prebble,
deceased, to his widow Charlotte Prebble.
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Folkestone Chronicle 6 February 1858.
Extract from Town Council Meeting.
Wednesday June 3rd:-
The Mayor alluded to a committee meeting which had taken place, and read
a report (which, although irregular, had been adopted), from the
surveyor respecting the costs for the improvements at Foord. The report
recommended the laying down a 14 inch drain, pulling down and widening
the bridge, and building a wall in lieu of the present fence near the
Red Cow. The estimated cost was £23 11s.
Alderman Kennicott here said he had seen Mr. Poulter, the owner of the
Red Cow, who had requested that he might have an additional wall in lieu
of the fence at present standing on the south side of his house; if that
was built for him, he should have no objection to the fence being
removed, nor of giving up the land required.
Mr. Jinkings observed that it appeared to him to be very selfish on the
part of Mr. Poulter; to ask for such an addition to the offer already
made him; the proposed alteration would be of great benefit to his
property, and he for one should not vote for anything of the kind.
Mr. Gambrill asked if the surveyor could tell him the cost of the bridge
and drain irrespective of the wall.
The surveyor in answer said the wall would be about £6.
Mr. Jinkings moved that the minutes of the committee be confirmed, thus
virtually negativing the proposal of Alderman Kennicott.
The Mayor then said he had caused tenders to be put in for the labour in
taking down and rebuilding the present bridge, laying the proposed
drain, and building the proposed wall – the parties tendering, to fin
mortar and the cement required. When opened, there appeared one from Mr.
C. Foreman £26; Mr. W Green £28 2s. 6d.; Mt. T. Field £40; Mr. Henry
Unwin £24 11s. After the opening of the tenders, the discussion of the
question between Mr. Poulter and the Corporation was resumed. Mr. Tite
argued that Mr. Poulter's offer was a liberal one and ought to be
accepted.
Mr. Gambrill differed with Mr. Tite, and moved that Mr. Unwin's offer be
accepted, but that the surveyor arrange with him respecting the
difference, supposing the wall was not built. Alderman Kennicott begged
them to consider that Mr. Poulter's offer was a liberal one – he was of
opinion it ought to be accepted. After some further desultory
conversation, Mr. Cobb seconded Mr. Gambrill's motion, which was
carried.
“In the course of the discussion it came out, that the dispute was that
Mr. Poulter, not satisfied with having a new wall to his gardens in
front of the cottages parallel with the road, also required one in front
of the Red Cow, in lieu of the wooden fence, which the Corporation, very
properly, did not think themselves justified in allowing”.
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Southeastern Gazette 9 February 1858.
Local News.
The council met on Wednesday. Present, the Mayor, Aldermen Tolputt and
Kennicott; Councillors Gambrill, Cobb, Hunt Jefferey, Boorne, Caister,
Pledge, Fagg, Meikle, Jinkings, Major, and Baker.
Capt. Kennicott said that he had seen Mr. Poulter, of Dover, the owner
of the Red Cow public-house, at Foord, and he was willing to give up the
land required, if the corporation would build a wall in front of his
house.
Mr. Jinkings objected to the corporation doing anything of the kind, as
what they proposed to do was for the improvement of Mr. Poulter’s
property; it was most illiberal on his part to require them to do it,
and he for one would not vote for it, although he was desirous to see
the work properly done.
The tenders for the work were then opened, and were as follows:—For
laying down drain and building a wall and rebuilding bridge, the
corporation to find materials, except lime and cement:—Wm. Green, Foord
£28 2s. 6d.; Chas. Foreman, Folkestone, £26; Thomas Field, ditto, £40 ;
Henry Unwin, £24 11s.
Mr. Jinkings thought that the surveyor should deduct the cost of the
wall, and only do the bridge and drain.
Mr. Gambrill thought Mr. Poulter would then see that they could do
without it.
Capt. Kennicott differed from Mr. Jinkings, as Mr. Poulter offered to
give up 40ft. of ground, and they ought to carry out the proposal he had
made.
Mr. Tite considered it a liberal offer from Mr. Poulter, and he should
move that the proposal be accepted. It was, however, explained to Mr.
Tite, that Mr. Poulter wanted a dwarf wall in front of his house, in
addition to the north wall, whereupon it was resolved to carry out the
work, omitting the fence and walls, and the contract of Mr. Unwin (being
lowest) was accepted.
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Southeastern Gazette 9 March 1858.
Local News.
The council met on Wednesday last. Present, the Mayor, Aldermen Tolputt,
Kennicott, and Gardner ; Councillors Tite, Tolputt, Jefferey (Walton,)
Jefferey (Coolinge,) Boorne, Gambrill, Baker, Fagg, Major, Pledge,
Meikle, Jinkings, Banks, Caister, and Cobb.
Alterations at Foord. Alderman Capt. Kennicott made some observation on
the treatment of Mr. Poulter, the owner of the Red Cow public-house at
Foord, stating that if the corporation proceeded with the pulling down
the bridge, Mr. Poulter would stop them. He proposed that the work as
estimated be done forthwith. Mr. Jinkings seconded it, and it was
carried by 11 to 4.
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From the Folkestone Observer 29 October, 1864.
STEALING A BLANKET
Friday October 28th:- Before Captain Kennicott R.N. and James Tolputt,
Esq.
Louisa Austin, the dissipated wife of a barrister, was place in the
dock charged with stealing a blanket, value 5s.
William Fordred, labourer, living near the "Black
Bull" in Foord Lane, said the prisoner was a lodger in his house.
Yesterday, between three and four o'clock in the afternoon, a policeman
brought a blanket to him – the blanket now produced, and marked W.F. –
which was his property. He did not authorise the prisoner to get the
blanket washed, or to do anything with it. She took it away without his
knowledge.
Jane Down, wife of Henry Down, residing at the "Black
Bull" cottage, saw prisoner yesterday afternoon, shortly after two
o'clock, turn from the road into Mr. Jinkings' meadow, and there pull up
her dress and take something from underneath it. She then left the
field, and went into witness's garden to fetch her hat, which had blown
off. Witness went up to her and told her to go out of the garden, and
then she saw that prisoner had a blanket, and said to her “You have a
blanket”. Prisoner said “No. I have a petticoat”. Witness repeated “It
is a blanket”. Prisoner put the blanket under her arm and went down the
road, away from prosecutor's house.
Cross-examined: You did not say it was a blanket, and you were going
to get it washed.
Patrick Holtum, K.C.C., yesterday afternoon, about two o'clock,
returning to his station at Swingfield Minnis, was told by several
persons that a woman in the "Red Cow" had stolen a blanket. Witness went
to the inn, and found the prisoner there, and charged her with the
theft. The prisoner had the blanket, produced, under her left arm, and
said she only brought it out to be washed. He took the prisoner to the
prosecutor's house, and he identified the same as his property.
Cross-examined: You did not say to Mrs. Prebble in my presence “How
could I steal the blanket when I asked you to get it washed?”
William Fordred re-examined: Prisoner had been exactly a month with
him. He never authorised her to get it washed, and he never sent her
with anything to get washed.
Prisoner: I told him I would get it washed, and he said “Never mind.
Keep the money in your pocket”.
Fordred: She took it without my knowledge.
Captain Kennicott: How many times has the prisoner been before the
bench?
The Clerk: I think this is the ninth time within the year. (To
prisoner) The charge against you is that you took one blanket, the
property of William Fordred, of the value of 5s.
Prisoner: I have to say that two more witnesses are to come before I
am tried. There are two witnesses to come here – Mrs. Prebble, and the
woman I asked to dry it. I have been living long enough in that man's
house to have taken his mark out if I had wanted to steal it. There are
two more witnesses to come, and I must have them. I am not going to be
branded as a thief.
Captain Kennicott: You are an incorrigible character and we can't
correct you. We will send you for trial.
Mr. Tolputt: You have been already a great expense to the town.
Prisoner: I don't mind going for trial. I am not afraid.
The Bench then committed her for trial at the Quarter Sessions.
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Folkestone Observer 7 January 1865.
Quarter Sessions.
Tuesday January 3rd:- Before J.J. Lonsdale.
The Grand Jury ignored the bill against Louisa Austin, charged with
stealing one blanket, the property of William Fordred, at Folkestone on
October 27th 1864.
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Southeastern Gazette 26 October 1874.
County Court.
This court was held on Saturday last before G. Russell, Esq., Judge.
Charlotte Prebble, Red Lion Inn (sic), sued Mr. George Brickman,
auctioneer, for £1 11s. 1d,, for refreshments supplied to his supporters
at the municipal election of 1878, when Mr. Brickman was a candidate for
the North Ward.
Plaintiff put in a letter which she had received from Mr. Brickman, in
which he said he did not hold himself responsible for what had been
supplied, but if a subscription were made he would pay his part.
His Honour said that Mr. Brickman had repudiated his liability, and gave
a nonsuit.
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Folkestone Express 31 October 1874.
County Court.
Saturday, October 24th: Before G. Russell Esq.
Charlotte Prebble, Red Cow Inn, Foord v George Brickman: This was a
claim for £1 11s. 1d. for refreshments supplied to defendant's
supporters when a candidate for the office of Councillor for the North
Ward in November last.
Mr. Mowll for plaintiff, and Mr. Minter for defendant.
Mr. W. Prebble, plaintiff's son, said the refreshments were supplied to
defendant's supporters, who were at his house. The beer was fetched from
the bar in defendant's name, on the order of Mr. Rye, who worked for the
South Eastern railway Company. He had received a letter from defendant,
who said he did not consider himself responsible for the acts of the
committee, but if a subscription were got up he would buy his part, and
he thought plaintiff ought to be paid by somebody. He paid for what he
had himself.
His Honour: Who gave the order?
Plaintiff: Defendant was in the room when the order was given. Rye came
to the bar and ordered the beer. I have seen defendant several times
about it, and he wanted me to see the committee.
Mr. Mowll submitted that there was sufficient in the order to show a
joint liability.
His Honour: But defendant says in his note “I do not hold myself
responsible”, which is a distinct repudiation. There must be a nonsuit.
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Folkestone Chronicle 3 July 1875.
Inquest.
An inquest was held at the Red Cow Inn, on Wednesday evening last,
before J. Minter Esq., Coroner, and a jury, of whom Mr. Vaughan was
foreman, on the body of Frederick Hogben, aged 13, employed as a
plasterer's assistant under Mr. Clemmans, builder, and who met with his
death by falling from a scaffolding. The following evidence was adduced:
Mr. Charles Lewis, M.R.C.S., stated that deceased was brought to his
house on Tuesday evening. He was suffering from injuries to the head,
produced by a fall, and he died from those injuries shortly before
eleven o'clock the same evening. The only external injury was a slight
scalp wound, and the cause of death was compression of the brain. Mr.
Henry Clemmans said he was engaged in a contract to build new billiard
and dining rooms and to make other additions to the West Cliff Hotel.
Deceased was employed by him as a hawkboy, serving the plasterers. About
a quarter past 7 on Tuesday night the men were at work, and he was
standing on the lawn about 50 feet from them, when he heard a shout and
a thud, and saw deceased, who had fallen through a scaffold on to a
stone landing ten feet below. He was quite insensible. Only a plasterer
named Dilwell was on the scaffold at the time.
By the Foreman: Deceased had been in my employ about three months. I
don't know if he had done similar work before. He began work at 6 a.m.
The Foreman: Deceased was only thirteen. It seems a long time for a lad
of that age to work.
Witness: It's the first night they worked late. It is usual for lads to
perform similar work.
Alfred Dilwell, plasterer, of 8, Alexandra Mews, stated that he and
deceased were plastering the outside wall of a drawing room at the West
Cliff Hotel. Deceased was serving him with cement. They were standing on
a scaffold 16 feet from the ground, but there was a stone landing 10
feet below the scaffold. The scaffold was a properly constructed,
substantial, and strong a one as he had ever worked upon, and was, as
usual, about 14 inches from the work, so as to complete it. A piece of
stack pipe lay level with the boards next the opening. Three or four
feet above the scaffold was a low parapet. While he was using the
cement, deceased slipped and fell. Deceased was behind him, and he
supposed he was reaching over the parapet for a tool he (witness) had
asked for. He must have trod on the piece of piping, which rolled over
and slipped off. He was a very quick boy, and witness had had to caution
him once or twice of moving so fast on the boards. The boy fell on his
back, and called out “Oh, dear”. Another labourer picked him up. He was
insensible.
Corroborative evidence having been given by Alfred Holland, the jury
returned a verdict of Accidental Death.
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Folkestone Express 3 July 1875.
Inquest.
A fatal accident occurred to a lad named Frederick Hogben, aged 13,
employed as a plasterer's assistant under Mr. Clemmans, on Wednesday
evening. Some extensive additions are being made to the West Cliff Hotel
by Mr. Clemmans, and the deceased was standing on a scaffold above a
stone passage. The work was being finished by the plasterers, and a
space was therefore left between the wall and the boarding of the
scaffold. Deceased, who was a quick, active lad, stepped forward to hand
a tool to the plasterer with whom he was working, and slipped through
this opening, alighting on his head. He was removed to Mr. Lewis's
surgery and from thence to his home, but died the same night from the
injuries received.
An inquest was held on the body at the Red Cow Inn on Wednesday evening,
before John Minter Esq., Coroner for the Borough, and a respectable
jury.
The jury having viewed the body, which lay in a house in Palmerston
Cottages, the following evidence was taken to.
Mr. Charles Lewis, M.R.C.S. deposed: The deceased, Frederick Hogben, was
brought to my house in West Cliff Gardens last evening at half past
seven by H. Clemmans. The boy was suffering from injuries to the head,
produced (as I believe) by a fall. He died from these injuries shortly
before eleven o'clock the same evening. When I saw him he was not
conscious, and he never regained his consciousness. I examined the
deceased. The only external injury was a slight scalp wound. The cause
of death was compression of the brain.
Mary Croucher: I am the wife of Henry Croucher, tailor, 4, Station
Cottages. The deceased was my brother; he was thirteen years of age.
Mr. Henry Clemmans: I am a builder and contractor, living at Folkestone.
Have a contract to build new billiard and dining rooms and made other
additions to the West Cliff Hotel. Deceased was employed by me as a
hawk-boy, serving the plasterers. About a quarter past seven last night
the men were at work. I was standing on the lawn about 50 feet from
them, when I heard a shout and a thud, and saw deceased, who had fallen
through a scaffold on to a stone landing ten feet below. He was quite
insensible. Only a plasterer named Dixwell was on the scaffold at the
time.
By the Formen: Deceased had been in my employ about three months. I
don't know whether he had done similar work before. He began work at 6
a.m.
The Foreman: Deceased was only thirteen. It seems a long time for a lad
of that age to work.
Witness: It's the first night they worked late. It is usual for lads to
perform similar work.
Alfred Dixwell, plasterer, of 8, Alexandra Mews: I work for Mr. Clemmans.
Last night, about this time (7.15), we were plastering the outside wall
of a drawing room at the West Cliff Hotel. Deceased was serving me with
Portland cement. We were standing on a scaffold 16 feet from the ground,
but there was a stone landing 10 feet below the scaffold. The scaffold
was as properly constructed, substantial, and strong a one as ever I
worked upon, and was, as usual, about 14 inches from the work, so as to
complete it. A piece of stack pipe lay level with the boards, next the
opening. Three or four feet above the scaffold was a low parapet. While
I was using the cement, deceased slipped and fell. Deceased was behind
me, and I suppose he was reaching over the parapet for a tool I had
asked for. He mist have trod on the piece of piping, which rolled over
and slipped off. He was a very quick boy, and I had had to caution him
once or twice of moving so fast on the boards. The boy fell on his back,
and called out “Oh, dear”. Another labourer picked him up; he was
insensible.
Mr. Clemmans, re-called: It is necessary to leave the opening between
the wall and the scaffolding while the plasterers are at work. It is a
usual thing, and the boy must have known of it.
Alfred Holland, a bricklayer's labourer, of 27, Queen Street: I was at
work at the West Cliff Hotel last night. While kneeling on the outside
of the scaffolding removing a cord I saw the deceased fall through the
opening. He fell legs first, and then turned, falling upon his head. I
picked him up; he was groaning. I carried him to Mr. Lewis's, and he was
sent home in a fly.
The jury at once returned a verdict of Accidental Death.
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Folkestone Chronicle 6 December 1879.
Wednesday, December 3rd: Before Capt. Fletcher, R.W. Boarer, J. Banks,
and W.J. Bell Esqs.
Charles Brown was charged with being drunk and disorderly on licensed
premises on the pervious day, Dec. 2nd, and refusing to quit the Red Cow
when requested to do so.
From the evidence of William Prebble, the landlady's son, it appears
that defendant came to the house drunk, and asked for a bottle of ginger
ale (a teetotal drink) about two in the afternoon. He continued singing,
swearing, and making a disturbance, and would not go out or desist, so
he sent for the police.
Supt. Wilshere deposed to being sent for, but defendant was then at the
Castle Inn. He sent for Mr. Prebble, who identified him, and witness
took him in custody.
Supt. Ovenden deposed to seeing defendant at the station. He refused to
give his name, and was bailed out.
Mr. Minter, in an able defence, stated that the charge could not be
sustained, as he would prove that defendant was sober at the time
alluded to, and he called Mr. Unwin, builder, his employer, Thomas
Allen, John Vye, and William Burvill, who all positively swore that
defendant was sober at the hour named.
The Bench dismissed both cases against defendant.
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Folkestone Express 6 December 1879.
Wednesday, December 3rd: Before R.W. Boarer Esq., Captain Fletcher,
Alderman Banks, M.J. Bell Esq.
Joseph Brown, a labourer, of New Bridge Street, was with being drunk and
disorderly on licensed premises, and with refusing to quit the Red Cow
public house on the 2nd inst. Mr. Minter appeared for the defendant.
William Prebble, son of the landlady of the Red Cow, said the defendant
went there about two o'clock in the afternoon. He was drunk, and made a
disturbance by shouting, and several persons in the bar tried to get rid
of him, but he refused to go. Witness therefore sent for a policeman.
Superintendent Wilshere said he was called by last witness, but when he
arrived at the Red Cow the house was clear. He went in search of the
defendant, who refused to give his name, and was taken into custody and
afterwards admitted to bail.
Henry Unwin was called for the defence and said defendant was in his
employ. He saw him about two o'clock on Tuesday, and he was then sober,
but the men were unable to work on account of the frost.
Several other witnesses were called, who said defendant was not drunk,
and the charges were dismissed.
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Folkestone Express 27 October 1883.
Saturday, October 20th: Before R.W. Boarer, J. Clark and F. Boykett Esqs.,
and Colonel De Crespigny.
The license of the Red Cow, Foord, was temporarily transferred to
William Brickell, and the Eagle, High Street, to George Follett.
Note: More Bastions lists the transfer as Charles Buckell.
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Folkestone Chronicle 20 December 1884.
Tuesday, December 16th: Before The Mayor, Dr. Bateman, Ald. Aister, J.
Fitness, and J. Holden Esqs.
Sarah Goodchild, wife of a labourer, was charged with stealing from the
Red Cow, Foord, on the 15th inst., a cane bottomed stool, the property
of Alfred Jordan.
From the evidence of P.C. Sharpe, it appears that whilst on duty at the
police station on Monday evening, prisoner came in with the stool, and
said she had stolen it. The landlord of the Red Cow and his daughter
deposed to her being there that evening, and asked for a pint of beer,
with which she was served.
In answer to the Chairman's enquiry as to whether the prisoner's husband
was in Court, a labourer came forward and claimed prisoner as his wife.
The woman, in reply to the charge, pleaded guilty, and told a most
pitiable story of the ill-usage she had been subjected to from the hands
of her husband. She said that she took the stool purposely because she
had no comfort at home, and she was wretched and miserable. She took it
because she wanted to get locked up, as she could not stop out of doors
and would not go home. On Sunday her husband held her against the wall
and afterwards kneeled on her. She had only one girl, and they had taken
her away, and she had not seen her for eighteen months. She had five
children, the youngest being eight months old. The husband was
questioned by the Bench and said that he did not think his wife was
quite right in her head, as she acted in a very strange way, but his
answers were of a very callous character, and his behaviour such as to
suggest that he had been drinking.
The prisoner was then charged with stealing 3s., the money of Stephen
Oliver. This charge resting upon frivolous evidence the Bench dismissed
the case, but for the other offence sentenced her to 14 days'
imprisonment. The woman asked that she might take her baby to prison
with her, but was told that this would not be permitted.
The Mayor then called the prisoner's husband before him, and said that
the Bench were of opinion that much of the trouble that had fallen upon
the prisoner was due to his ill-treatment of her, and warned him that if
any charge of ill-treatment was preferred against him he would be
severely punished.
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Folkestone Express 20 December 1884.
Tuesday, December 16th: Before The Mayor, Alderman Caister, W. Bateman,
J. Holden and J. Fitness Esqs.
Sarah Goodchild, a married woman, was charged with stealing a stool, the
property of Mr. Alfred Jordan, landlord of the Red Cow Inn, Foord.
P.C. Sharp said on the previous day the woman went to the police station
with the stool, saying she had stolen it, and requesting to be taken
into custody. She made a statement complaining of the systematic
ill-treatment of her husband and his family.
Edith Jordan, daughter of the prosecutor, said she remembered the
prisoner going into the bar and having two glasses of beer. The bar was
so constructed that she could not see if anyone took anything away.
The prisoner said she was driven to do what she did by her husband's
ill-treatment.
The husband alleged that she was not right in her mind, and that she had
threatened to make away with them.
There was a second charge against the prisoner, of stealing 3s. in
money, the property of Stephen Oliver.
The wife of the prosecutor, living in Bradstone Road, said she had known
the prisoner for several years. On the previous morning she went to her
house and asked her if she was not going to stand half a pint of beer.
She said if she did she would have to take it out of her rent. She went
for some beer, leaving Mrs. Goodchild and her little boy in the house.
Mrs. Goodchild was there when she came back and helped to drink the
beer. At one o'clock she went to get the money to pay the landlord, and
then missed 3s. Prisoner had seen her take down a saucer containing
money. No-one else had been in the house.
In reply to the prisoner, witness said she went with her to the Brewery
Tap, where she had some rum. While they were gone the door was shut, but
not locked.
For the first offence the prisoner was sentenced to 14 days' hard
labour, and the second charge was dismissed.
Her husband was called up, and the Mayor told him the magistrates had
every reason to believe a good deal of the woman's misconduct had been
brought about by his scandalous behaviour and his ill-treatment of her.
As her husband, he was bound to protect her, but there was not the
slightest doubt he had been the means of bringing her into the
disgraceful position in which she was then placed. They warned him that
if at any time a charge was made against him of ill-treating his wife he
would be severely punished.
The man, who appeared to be nearly drunk, flippantly replied “Thank you.
I am much obliged to you, sir”.
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Folkestone News 20 December 1884.
Tuesday, December 16th: Before The Mayor, Mr. J. Fitness, Dr. Bateman,
Alderman Caister and Mr. J. Holden.
Sarah Goodchild, a married woman, was charged with stealing a
cane-bottomed chair from the Red Cow on the previous day.
P.C. Sharp deposed that the woman came into the police station on the
previous evening about six o'clock with the chair produced, stating that
she had stolen it from the Red Cow, and wanted to be locked up. She was
consequently detained and charged.
Edith Jordan, daughter of the landlord of the Red Cow, said prisoner had
a pint of beer there and went out. Witness did not see her take anything
out.
Alfred Philip Jordan identified the chair as his property, and valued it
at 4s. 6d. He explained that prisoner might easily have stolen the chair
without being seen, as it stood near the door.
Henry Goodchild, prisoner's husband, was called, and was apparently in
liquor. He said “A pretty girl, you are!”
Prisoner: It was all through you. In defence she said she took the chair
in order to be locked up. Her home was comfortless, and she was
miserable. Her children had been taken away from her and taught to do
all sorts of bad things against her. She would not go home, and in order
not to be left in the streets all night she committed the theft. On the
previous day her husband cruelly assaulted her. She did not know why she
was ill-treated, but they said she was mad.
Dr. Bateman: You told me your head was affected.
Prisoner said her head was very bad at times.
Goodchild said that what his wife said was a “lot of lies” and that she
had threatened the lives of his children. She said he was the “first to
go”.
The magistrates were unable to make the witness explain what he meant.
Prisoner was further charged with stealing 3s. from the cottage of
Stephen Olive, but the evidence was so imperfect that they dismissed it.
The magistrates were of opinion that the woman had been ill-treated, but
as that did not justify theft they sentenced her to fourteen days' hard
labour.
Her husband was reprimanded and cautioned.
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Folkestone Express 14 December 1889.
Transfer.
Wednesday, December 11th: Before Alderman Banks, Surgeon General
Gilbourne, H.W. Poole, W. Wightwick, F. Boykett and W.G. Herbert Esqs.
The licence of the Red Cow Inn was transferred to Mrs. M.A. Jordan.
Note: This transfer is at variance with date in More Bastions.
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Folkestone Express 26 December 1891.
Wednesday, December 23rd: Before Aldermen Sherwood, Pledge and Dunk, J.
Fitness and E. Ward Esqs.
Iden Pritchard, gardener, was summoned for stealing two heath plants,
value 2s., from a greenhouse belonging to George Pilcher. He pleaded Not
Guilty.
Prosecutor, a florist, having premises in Dover Road, said defendant had
been in his employment as working gardener for more than 18 months. He
left a week ago last Saturday. Since defendant left he had missed plants
from his premises, and among them were three heaths of the kind
produced, from a greenhouse. He missed the heaths on Friday, 18th.
Defendant was in the house on the Wednesday or Thursday previous, saying
he wanted to buy some shrubs, but he went away without buying anything.
When he missed the plants he gave information to the police. There were
nine plants of this sort in the greenhouse. He could swear positively to
one of those produced, as it was peculiar in it's appearance, and he had
tried to sell it to a customer a few days ago. They were also of an
uncommon size to be flowering so freely. The value was 1s. each.
By defendant: I bought twelve plants of a nurseryman, and sold three.
The nurseryman had plenty more of the same sort, and he served the
trade. The greenhouses were not kept locked. I have had reasons to
suspect you have taken goods. You were formerly a very useful man, but
latterly you have given way to drink and been careless. I do not
remember having given you a good recommendation lately.
Alice Maud Mary Jordan, of the Red Cow Inn, said the defendant went to
her mother's house on Thursday with Christmas Trees and two plants. She
recognised one of the heaths. Defendant asked her to buy it, and she
did, paying 9d. for it. She knew defendant as a customer.
Mary Ann Maple, wife of Thomas Maple, of the Honest Lawyer, Belle Vue
Street, said the defendant went to that house with one plant on Thursday
evening. He asked 1s. for it, and she bought it of him for 6d. She knew
him as a customer.
William Jenner, a lad in the service of the prosecutor, said he saw the
defendant on Wednesday evening at ten minutes to ten, outside the garden
gate in Dover Road, walking to and from.
Thomas Alfred Tutt, another lad in the prosecutor's employ, said he saw
the defendant about ten o'clock on Wednesday evening go into the Belle
Vue with a Christmas tree in his hand. Witness saw him again on Thursday
evening near St. John Street with a plant like those produced in his
hand.
Prosecutor was re-called, and said the garden was approached by gates.
The larger one was locked, but not the smaller one. Mr. Wilson had a
right of way to his premises there. The greenhouse was not fastened in
any way.
Defendant said he bought the plants from a hawker, but did not know his
name.
The Bench considered the case proved, and fined defendant 10s., 2s. the
value of the plants, and 18s. costs, or 14 days' hard labour, telling
him he was liable to be imprisoned for six months.
The Bench recommended Mr. Pilcher to keep his premises locked in future.
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Folkestone Chronicle 30 April 1898.
Saturday, April 23rd: Before Messrs. J. Pledge, G. Spurgen, and T.J.
Vaughan.
John Bryant was charged with being drunk in charge of a horse and cart
in Dover Road on April 22nd.
P.C. Burniston said he ejected the prisoner from the Swan Inn. He got up
into a cart and drove off, but stopped at the New Inn. Prisoner was
further charged with refusing to quit the Swan Inn.
Mr. Brett, manager, said the prisoner was drunk in his house and refused
to leave. He did not get drunk in his house.
P.C. Burniston said he ejected the prisoner as he refused to leave. He
used very bad language. He had seen him previously at the Red Cow, when
he was sober.
He was fined 5s. and 4s. 6d. costs for the first offence, and the second
charge was dismissed, the Bench believing he got drunk in the house.
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Folkestone Herald 30 April 1898.
Police Court Report.
On Saturday last – Alderman Pledge presiding – John Bryan pleaded Guilty
to being drunk in charge of a horse and cart.
P.C. Burneston deposed that on the previous night he ejected the
defendant from the Swan public house. He drove twice on to the pavement.
He was drunk, and unfit to be in charge of a horse and cart.
There was another charge against defendant of refusing to quit licensed
premises. He pleaded Not Guilty.
Mr. Brett, manager of the Swan Inn, deposed that defendant came into the
Swan. Witness saw him about 4 o'clock. He refused to leave. The
constable put him out. Defendant was in a drunken state.
Defendant said he only went in there.
P.C. Burneston deposed that he was called at ten past six to eject
prisoner.
Defendant said he had several twos of whisky.
The Bench fined him 5s., 4s. 6d. costs, or 7 days' hard labour. They
dismissed the second charge of refusing to quit, it being the firm
impression of the Chairman that defendant got drunk at this house.
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Folkestone Up To Date 30 April 1898.
Saturday, April 23rd: Before Ald. Pledge, T.S. Spurgeon, and T.J.
Vaughan Esqs.
John Brien, horse dealer, Folkestone, was charged with having been drunk
on licensed premises, and refusing to quit, and also in being unfit to
take charge of his horse and cart on the 22nd inst.
P.C. Burniston said that about 6.10 on the previous evening he was
called into the Swan to eject the prisoner and another man. The prisoner
had a horse and cart standing outside, and drove several times on the
pavement while proceeding to the New Inn, where he was taken into
custody by Burniston.
Mr. Brett, of the Swan, said: The prisoner and his friend came into the
Swan Inn last evening, and called for drink. I was not in at the time. I
asked the prisoner to leave the house, but he would not do so.
For the first offence the prisoner was fined 5s., and 4s. 6d. costs, and
for the second dismissed.
The Chairman said the Magistrates had dealt so lightly with the second
offence because they believed that the prisoner got the principal part
of his drink at the Swan.
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Folkestone Herald 21 May 1898.
Police Court.
On Saturday – the Mayor (Colonel Penfold) presiding – Mrs. Eliza
Holloway was summoned for assaulting Mrs. Harriett Wall on the 9th inst.
Complainant deposed that she was a married woman, living at 68, Black
Bull Road. On the previous Monday evening she went into the Red Cow for
the key of the house. She had to wait a little while, and had a “small
lemon”. Her husband gave her the key, and went out. She followed. Whilst
he was talking to Mrs. Holloway's son, witness went up and asked him
something. Witness's husband and defendant's son had a scuffle, and
defendant tore a bag out of her hand.
Defendant then gave her version of the affair.
The Bench dismissed the case. Complainant to pay 2s. costs.
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Folkestone Up To Date 25 June 1898.
Saturday, June 18th: Before J. Hoad Esq., and Justices Pledge, Vaughan,
and Holden.
Samuel Baker was summoned for using obscene language on the Foord Road,
on June 10th.
P.C. Varrier said: About 5.10 in the afternoon I was on duty on the
Foord Road when I saw a pony and trap unattended opposite the Red Cow. I
went into the public house and cautioned a man I saw there. Baker then
followed me into the street, and began using disgusting language,
telling me that I had ---- well exceeded my duty.
The defendant told the Magistrates that he was very much excited because
he could not get possession of a horse he had paid for.
He was fined 5s. and 9s. costs.
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Folkestone Chronicle 3 May 1902.
Monday, April 28th: Before Messrs. W. Wightwick, G. Swoffer, and C.J.
Pursey.
Thomas De Boar, a respectable-looking mechanic, describing himself as a
painter, was charged with stealing a pair of steps from the outside of a
shop in Foord Road between the hours of nine and ten on Sunday evening.
Mr. Edwards, tobacconist, etc., Foord Road, said that on Sunday night he
placed the steps outside the shop. He left the shop front for a few
moments, and when he returned they were missing.
P.C. Chaney said that he found the prisoner at the Red Cow public house
with the steps. Witness asked him where he got them from, and received
the reply that they were obtained from another man. Prisoner was taken
to the station and charged. He had been drinking.
Prisoner pleaded Guilty, and made a pathetic appeal to the Bench. He
said he had a wife, mother, and four children dependent upon him. He had
come down to Folkestone to do some work, and he could not think what had
possessed him to take the steps. He had been a teetotaller for two
years.
The Chairman, having advised the accused as to his future conduct, fined
him 10s., or seven days'.
Accused: Thank you, sir; I am very thankful.
The fine was paid.
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Folkestone Chronicle 22 August 1903.
Thursday, August 20th: Before Aldermen Banks and Salter, Mr. W.
Wightwick, Mr. G.I. Swoffer, and Lieut. Col. Hamilton.
Arthur Jones and James Allen were charged with being concerned in
uttering a gilded sixpence, representing it to be a half sovereign.
Mary Fisher, a barmaid at the Harbour Inn, said: I recognise Jones, who
came to the bar about 8.30 p.m. yesterday, and asked for a mild and
bitter. I served him, and he offered me a sovereign in payment. I went
to the place where the money is kept and took half a sovereign and 10s.
worth of silver. I then, from the till, changed 1s. for a mild and
bitter, and, having taken 1½d., I placed the 19s. 10½d. before Jones
upon the counter. He picked up the silver, put his hand over the half
sovereign, as if to pick it up, then drew his hand back, and suddenly
put it out again, asking me to give him the half sovereign in silver. I
took a coin up, thinking I had the same half sovereign I had put down,
and went to the cupboard and changed it. After the prisoner had gone,
Mr. Hall spoke to me, and then went to the cupboard and brought to me
the coin for which I had given Jones 10s. in exchange.
Thomas Hall, landlord of the Harbour Inn, proved watching the
transaction just spoken to, and said that as Jones left the house he
(witness) went to the cupboard and found a genuine half sovereign he had
put there earlier, and also the coin produced (a gilded sixpence). He
went in search of prisoner, and found him with another man at the bottom
of High Street, counting money. Witness said to Jones “I want you. You
have been passing bad coin with my barmaid”. Jones replied “Where do you
mean? What house do you mean?” Witness said “You know whose house it is;
you have just left it”. I told a cabman who stood by to call a
policeman, when Jones said “Don't call a policeman”, and the other
prisoner said “How much do you want?” Just then a policeman came up and
witness gave prisoner in charge. The other man was brought to the house
later on, and witness identified him as the one who was with Jones.
James Butland, a cab driver, deposed to seeing the prisoners acting
suspiciously, and then walk away from the Harbour Inn in company, going
down South Street. Following them, witness, at the bottom of High
Street, saw them stop and share out some money. Jones handed it to the
other man. Mr. Hall came along, and witness gave him information.
The Chief Constable asked for a remand, as there would be one additional
case to prefer next week.
Jones, who had previously said that he took the half sovereign at the
Folkestone Racecourse, now said that he was Guilty, and that he had had
some drink when he passed the coin. He would like the Magistrates to
deal with the case at once.
The Chief Constable: No doubt he has very good reasons for that wish.
The Chairman said the prisoners would be remanded for seven days.
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Folkestone Express 22 August 1903.
Thursday, August 20th: Before Aldermen Banks and Salter, Lieut. Colonel
Hamilton, W. Wightwick, and G.I. Swoffer Esqs.
Arthur Jones and James Allen were charged with being concerned together
in uttering a gilded sixpence for half a sovereign.
Mary Fisher, barmaid at the Harbour Inn, identified the prisoner Jones
as a person who came to the bar about 8.30 p.m. the previous evening and
asked for a mild and bitter. Witness served him and prisoner offered a
sovereign in payment. She then went to a cupboard for change and placed
19s. 10½d. on the counter. Prisoner placed his hand over the half
sovereign as though he intended to pick it up, but drew it back, and
then put it suddenly forward, at the same time asking witness to give
him the half sovereign in silver. Witness took it up, thinking it was
the same half sovereign that she had put down. She took 10s. worth of
silver and placed what was supposed to be a half sovereign in the
cupboard. Prisoner finished his glass and then went out. In consequence
of something said by the landlord witness went to the cupboard, and then
discovered that the supposed half sovereign was a counterfeit.
Thomas Hall, landlord of the Harbour Inn, said that about 8 o'clock the
previous morning he placed two half sovereigns and 10s. worth of silver
in a cupboard. At 8.30 he was in the saloon bar when the prisoner Jones
came in, and he saw the barmaid go to the cupboard for change and
afterwards hand it over the counter; she then went back and took further
change from the cupboard. Prisoner then left the house. In consequence
of something said by the barmaid witness went to the cupboard and there
found one of the coins which he had placed there in the morning, but
discovered that the other was not a half sovereign. On going outside
witness met a cabman, and in consequence of his statement proceeded
along South Street and found the two prisoners at the bottom of High
Street counting money. Witness caught hold of Jones and said “I want you
for passing a bad coin to my barmaid”. He replied “What house do you
mean?” Witness said “You know which house it is; you have just left it”.
Allen said “Don't call a policeman. How much do you want?” Just then a
policeman came up. Witness informed prisoner that he required nothing.
He then gave Jones into custody. Allen was brought to the bar later on
and witness identified him as the person he had seen with Jones.
John Butland, a cabman, said that he was on the stand close to the
Harbour the previous evening when he saw prisoners at the corner of
Barton's Wall. They walked across the road and had a conversation, at
the same time watching the Harbour Hotel. Jones looked through the
window, spoke to Allen and then went into the bar and called for a
drink. The other prisoner then went in the bar and they both came out
together. Witness followed them. When outside Maestrani's shop in South
Street they shared some money. Mr. Hall then came up and witness went
for a policeman who took Jones into custody.
The Superintendent applied for a remand in order that further enquiries
might be made.
Mr. Bradley advised the prisoners not to make any statement, but the
prisoner Jones said that he had the half sovereign passed on to him at
the Folkestone Races. Allen said the coin was not a counterfeit.
Prisoners asked to have the case settled at once, but the Magistrates
decided to remand them for a week.
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Folkestone Herald 22 August 1903.
Thursday, August 20th: Before Aldermen Banks and Salter, Lieut. Colonel
Hamilton, Messrs. W. Wightwick, and G.I. Swoffer.
Arthur Jones and James Allen were charged with being concerned together
in uttering a gilded sixpence for a half sovereign.
Mary Fisher, a barmaid at the Harbour Inn, recognised Jones as the man
who, about half past eight the previous day, came into the bar and asked
for a “mild and bitter”. Prisoner offered a sovereign in payment, and
witness gave him the change, 19s. 10½d., a half sovereign and the rest
in silver. She saw prisoner put his hand over the piece of gold as if to
pick it up, but drew it back and then put it suddenly forward, at the
same time asking her to give him the half sovereign in silver. Witness
thought it was the same half sovereign she had put down, and complied
with his request. Prisoner then left.
Thomas Hall, landlord of the Harbour Hotel, said that he saw the two
prisoners at the bottom of High Street counting some money between them.
He caught hold of Jones and said “You have been passing a bad coin
through my barmaid”. Prisoner said “What house do you mean?” A policeman
coming up at the time, he gave prisoners in charge.
John Butland, a cabman, stated that he was on the stand near the harbour
about eight o'clock the previous evening, when he saw the two prisoners
standing near the wall. They afterwards went across the road. He saw
Jones go into the Harbour Hotel, followed shortly afterwards by Allen.
He saw them come out, and go together to South Street, and also saw them
sharing the money. He went for the police.
Prisoners, who pleaded Guilty, were remanded for a week.
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Folkestone Chronicle 29 August 1903.
Thursday, August 27th: Before Aldermen Banks and Salter, Lieut. Col.
Hamilton, and Mr. G.I. Swoffer.
Arthur Jones and James Allen were charged on remand with passing a
Jubilee gilded sixpence as a half sovereign. Additional evidence was
called, and a second charge was gone into. In this case, as in the
first, it was alleged that the accused “rang the changes” with a gilded
sixpence upon Thomas Philip Jordan at the Red Cow public house.
On the application of Chief Constable Reeve, both prisoners were
committed to take their trial at the next Quarter Sessions of the
Borough, bail being offered in prisoners' own sureties of £100 and two
sureties of £50 in each case.
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Folkestone Express 29 August 1903.
Local News.
At the Folkestone Borough Police Court on Thursday, Arthur Jones and
James Allen were brought up on remand charged with being concerned
together in uttering gilded sixpences as half sovereigns, and further
evidence having been given, the prisoners were committed for trial.
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Folkestone Herald 29 August 1903.
Thursday, August 27th: Before Aldermen Banks and Salter, Lieut. Colonel
Hamilton, and Mr. G.I. Swoffer.
Arthur Jones and James Allen were charged, on remand, with uttering a
counterfeit coin, viz., a gilded sixpence.
The evidence given at the previous hearing was repeated.
Both prisoners were committed to take their trial at the next Quarter
Sessions for the borough, bail being fixed at £50 each.
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Folkestone Chronicle 17 October 1903.
Quarter Sessions.
Monday, October 12th: Before John Charles Lewis Coward.
Arthur Jones, 29, labourer, and James Allen, 49, hawker, both described
as of imperfect education., were charged with unlawfully and knowingly
uttering one piece of false and counterfeit coin at Folkestone, on the
19th of August, 1903. Both prisoners pleaded Guilty.
The indictment, as well as that referring to the Harbour Inn, or “Mary
Fisher” charge, included that of Thomas Philips Jordan, of the Red Cow,
upon whom the same false pretence was practiced.
Counsel for the Crown, Mr. T. Matthew, in opening, repeated the facts as
detailed in our issue of October 5th, and mentioned that the prisoners,
London men, came down to the Folkestone Racecourse on the 19th of
August, and then into the town, where, according to the evidence, they
had been “ringing the changes”.
The Recorder: Wait a minute. I think “ringing the changes” is another
thing.
Concluding the outline of the offence, Counsel said he would like to
draw the learned Recorder's attention to the provisions under 34 – 35,
Victoria, Chap 112, Sec. 8 (Prevention of Crimes Act), which gave the
judge power to add to his sentence a term of police supervision, the
maximum term being seven years.
Detective Sergeant Samuel Lee, of the H Division, Metropolitan Police,
then proceeded to give an account of the prisoners' criminal career,
which showed four convictions within the last four years. Allen's course
of crime was then established by the witness and Chief Constable Reeve.
A written statement was then handed in by the prisoner Jones, who
attributed his fall to the influence of bad company and to his giving
way to drink. He promised to leave the country as soon as he had served
his sentence.
Allen created a smile on the Bench when he said that this was his first
visit to Folkestone, and he hoped it would be his last.
The Recorder then passed sentence. He said: You two men have the worst
records I have had before me during the period I have sat at this Court.
You do not seem to have many friends among the police, and there is no
doubt from the evidence that you are the worst scum of the racecourse. I
must pass a sentence that will keep both of you from visiting this
borough for some time to come, and I feel it my duty to accede to the
request of Counsel for the Crown that you should be placed under police
supervision. If Jones is making a true statement about going to America
that will not affect him. You will both be sentenced to 12 months' hard
labour, to be followed by three years' police supervision.
Both prisoners (who seemed much relieved): Thank you, my Lord.
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Folkestone Express 17 October 1903.
Quarter Sessions.
Monday, October 12th: Before John Charles Lewis Coward Esq.
Arthur Jones (29), described as a labourer, and James Allen (49), a
hawker, were indicted for unlawfully and knowingly uttering counterfeit
coin on the 10th August at Folkestone. Prisoners pleaded Guilty.
Mr. Matthews, who prosecuted, said the prisoners were carrying out a
trick called “ringing the changes”.
The Recorder: I don't think it is a trick. They uttered counterfeit
coins.
Mr. Matthews: Then I am misinformed.
Counsel then intimated that he was desired to call attention to the
provisions of the 34th and 35th Vict., chapter 112, which enabled the
Recorder to say that there should be a period of police supervision in
addition to any sentence passed. If there was an order that there should
be a supervision for a certain period, the police would be able to keep
an eye upon such men as prisoners, and prevent anything occurring again.
Detective Sergt. Lee, H Division (Metropolitan Police) proved that on
Dec. 16th, 1901, at the Central Criminal Court, Jones, in the name of
Edward Connell, was sentenced to twenty months hard labour for stealing
£3 13s. 6d. from a till.
The Recorder: A rather stiff sentence, was it not?
Sergt. Lee: Hardly, after his “previouses”.
The Recorder: Oh, I see!
Continuing, Sergt. Lee said that Jones's criminal career commenced on
the 18th of Oct., 1899, at the Southwark Police Court, where he was
fined 40s. or one month's hard labour for stealing money from a public
house. On the 23rd March, 1900, he was charged at the Guildhall Police
Court with “ringing the changes”, and on that occasion, because his
previous convictions were not proved, he was bound over. At the time he
was in company with two old convicts. At Epsom Petty Sessions, on April
26th, 1900, he was charged with stealing a pair of opera glasses off the
racecourse, and received five weeks' hard labour, while on July 11th,
1900, at the South London sessions, he was sentenced to 15 months' hard
labour for attempted larceny. On this occasion prisoner was working in
concert with others, using a sticky substance at the end of a stick and
pocketing money from shelves in public houses.
P.C. Gosling, 632Y (Metropolitan), stated that on the 6th Feb., 1901, he
was present at the North London Sessions when the prisoner Allen was
convicted, in the name of James Slade, for attempted larceny and
“ringing the changes”. He received 12 months' hard labour. There were
other convictions against Allen, but witness was not in a position to
state them.
Supt. Reeve produced a further list against Allen. It was as follows:-
April 22nd, 1896, three weeks' hard labour at Epsom for stealing an
overcoat; April 19th, 1898, at the North London Sessions, six months'
hard labour for stealing a purse and money.
In a written statement to the Recorder, Jones said he was 33 years of
age, and up to four years ago he always held a good character.
Unfortunately he fell in with bad company and gave way to drink. Since
his last discharge he had been leading an honest life, and worked for a
Mr. Southwood until the day when the Folkestone Races came off. He
begged the Recorder to give his defence consideration and to deal with
him mercifully, as, with God's help, he should promise not to touch
drink again. Since he had been in Canterbury Gaol awaiting his trial,
his brother had written offering to pay his fare to America in order to
get him away from bad company.
Prisoners were sentenced to twelve months' hard labour, and three years'
police supervision.
Jones: Thank you, my Lord.
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Folkestone Herald 17 October 1903.
Quarter Sessions.
Monday, October 12th: Before J.C.L. Coward Esq.
Arthur Jones (29), labourer, and James Allen (49), hawker, pleaded
Guilty to “unlawfully and knowingly uttering one piece of false and
counterfeit coin, apparently intended to pass for certain of the King's
current gold coin, called a half sovereign, on the 19th August, 1903, at
Folkestone”.
Counsel for the Crown, Mt. T. Matthews, said he was instructed that
prisoners were both London criminals who had come down to Folkestone for
the race meeting at Westenhanger in August last. By a trick known as
“ringing the changes”....
Here the Recorder interposed with the remark that “ringing the changes”
had nothing whatever to do with uttering counterfeit coins. It was an
entirely different trick.
Continuing, Counsel pointed out that, whatever the process, the prisoner
Jones went into the public house, called for a drink, handed a sovereign
in payment, and received in the change half a sovereign, and the rest in
silver and bronze. Having got a good half sovereign, prisoner
substituted for it a gilded sixpence, and then asked for the whole of
the change to be given him in silver, thus receiving 10s. for the
counterfeit coin. This was done twice, though in both cases ultimately
unsuccessful. In the first case it was seen to be a bad coin and the men
were pursued. Jones denied having given the gilded sixpence, but he
handed back the money he had received for it. Then they went to the
Harbour Inn, where the same process was repeated. The landlord again had
suspicions, and declined to accept any explanation, giving the man Jones
in charge. Allen was subsequently arrested, and when searched another
gilded sixpence was found upon him, which no doubt he intended to pass
off in the same manner. In addition to the sentence of imprisonment, Mr.
Matthews asked the Recorder, under powers which he was enabled to
exercise, to say that there should be a period of police supervision, as
it would then enable the police to keep their eye upon the men, so as to
prevent them doing anything further of the sort, at any rate in the
direction of making counterfeit coins.
With regard to the first case, the publican victimised, as stated in our
report of the Police Court proceedings, was the landlord of the Red Cow,
Foord.
Particulars concerning previous convictions against the two men were
then given. Detective Sergeant Lee, of the London Force stated that on
the 16th December, 1901, he was present at the Central Criminal Court
when the prisoner Jones, in the name of Edward Connell, was sentenced to
twenty months' hard labour for stealing £3 13s. 6d. from a till.
The Recorder: A stiff sentence for that.
The Detective: Hardly, after his “previouses”.
Proceeding, he said that Jones's criminal career commenced on the 18th
of October, 1899, when, at the Southwark Police Court, he was fined 40s.
or one month's hard labour for stealing money from a public house; on
the 23rd of March, 1900, he was charged at the Guildhall Police Court
for “ringing the changes”. On that occasion his previous convictions
were not proved against him, and he was bound over.
The Recorder: “Ringing the changes” is one thing, and counterfeit coin
another.
Witness: That is so.
Continuing, the detective said that prisoner Jones was at the time in
company with two old convicts. At Epsom Petty Sessions, on the 26th of
April, 1900, he was charged with stealing a pair of opera glasses from
the racecourse, and was sentenced to 5 weeks' imprisonment with hard
labour. Charged with attempted larceny at the South London Sessions on
the 11th of July, 1902, he received fifteen months' hard labour. On that
occasion he was working in concert with others, and was using a stick
with some sticky substance at the end. Whilst his companion attracted
the attention of the person in charge of the bar, the man with the stick
picked up the gold.
With regard to Allen, Police Constable Gosling, of the Metropolitan
Police stated that on the 6th of February, 1901, he was present at the
North London Sessions when the prisoner Allen, in the name of James
Slade, was convicted of attempted larceny and “ringing the changes”,
receiving twelve months hard labour. There were other convictions
recorded against him which he was not in a position to prove.
Chief Constable Reeve informed the Recorder that Allen's proper name was
James Slade. On the 22nd of April, 1896, at Epsom, he was sentenced to
three weeks' hard labour for the theft of an overcoat, whilst at the
North London Sessions on the 19th April, 1898, he was given six months'
hard labour for stealing a purse and money. One summary conviction, for
unlawful possession, was recorded against him, as well as the conviction
spoken to by the last witness.
In a written statement which he handed to the Recorder, Jones said he
was 33 years of age, and up to four years ago he held a good character.
Unfortunately at that time he fell into bad company and gave way to
drink. Since then he had served three terms of imprisonment. Since his
last discharge from prison he had led an honest life until he went to
the races at Folkestone. He had been drinking heavily, and in the
evening uttered the gilded sixpence. He begged for another chance,
promising never to touch drink again. His wife's brother had promised to
pay his fare to America, and he asked the Recorder not to let his past
character weigh heavily against him. His correct name was Edward
Connell, but being in drink he gave the name of Jones. He promised to
leave the country at the expiration of the sentence passed upon him, and
also to lead a sober and industrious life in the future. Under those
circumstanced he begged the Recorder to grant him mercy.
Allen's defence was that this was the first time he had ever been in
Folkestone, and he hoped it would be his last. He was fifty years of
age, and had four children to support. Taking into consideration the
time he had been waiting for his trial, having expressed his guilt in
the first “onset”, he pleaded for the Recorder's mercy.
The Recorder, addressing the prisoners, said they had the worst record
he had ever had before him since he had sat in that Court. They were the
scum of the racecourse. He must pass a sentence upon them to keep them
away from this sort of thing for some time to come, and he felt it his
duty to accede to the request of Counsel for the Crown that they should
be placed under police supervision. If Jones was allowed to go away the
punishment would not act harshly upon him, and the sentence he passed
upon each of them was imprisonment for twelve calendar months, with hard
labour, with police supervision for three years.
Jones: Thank you.
They were then removed below.
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Folkestone Chronicle 21 October 1905.
Notice.
Mary Ann Jordan Deceased.
All persons having any claims or demands against the estate of Mary Ann
Jordan, late of the Red Cow Inn, Folkestone, Kent, who died on the 17th
day of October, 1905, are requested to send particulars thereof to me,
the undersigned, forthwith.
Dated this 19th day of October, 1905,
Frederick Hall,
Solicitor for the executors,
Bank Chambers,
Folkestone.
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Folkestone Chronicle 9 December 1905.
Wednesday, December 6th: Before Mr. E.T. Ward, Alderman Herbert, Lieut.
Col. Hamilton, Maj. Leggatt, and Mr. Linton.
Mr. Douglas De Wet applied, on behalf of the executors of the late Mrs.
Jordan, for the transfer of the licence of the Red Cow, Foord, to Mr.
Savage.
Formal evidence as to the notices etc., was tendered, and the
application granted.
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Folkestone Express 9 December 1905.
Wednesday, December 9th: Before E.T. Ward Esq., Lieut. Col. Hamilton,
Major Leggatt, W.G. Herbert and J. Linton Esqs.
At the special sessions for the transfer of ale-house licences the
following transfer was made: The Red Cow Inn, from the executors of the
late Mrs. Jordan, to Mr. Savage.
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Folkestone Herald 9 December 1905.
Wednesday, December 6th: Before Mr. E.T. Ward, Alderman W.G. Herbert,
Lieut. Colonel Hamilton, Major Leggatt, and Mr. T. Ames.
The licence of the Red Cow, Folkestone, was transferred to Mr. Savage.
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Folkestone Express 14 July 1906.
Wednesday, July 11th: Before Lieut. Col. Fynmore, Alderman Vaughan, and
R.J. Linton Esq.
Plans for an alteration in the Red Cow Inn, Foord, were approved of.
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Folkestone Herald 14 July 1906.
Wednesday, July 11th: Before Councillor R.J. Fynmore, Lieut. Colonel
Hamilton, and Mr. Linton.
Permission was granted to the proprietor of the Red Cow for some
proposed alterations to the building.
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Folkestone Daily News 6 March 1908.
Friday, March 6th: Before Alderman Banks, Messrs. Herbert, Linton,
Leggett, and Boyd.
Edward Flisher was charged with stealing four bottles of ale.
Frederick Wickenden deposed: I am a labourer, living at 8, Garden Road.
I am in the employ of Mr. Savage, of the Red Cow Inn. At 5.10 yesterday
afternoon I was in the public bar. A man named Nickolls was also in the
bar at the same time. While there I saw an arm go over the counter. The
two bars are divided by a glass screen. I saw four bottles in the hand.
The bottles were taken from a shelf under the counter. At the time the
beer was taken there was no-one at the back of the counter. I went to
the back and reported it, and received instructions to go into the
private bar, where I found the prisoner. No-one else was there. He had a
bag, which Mr. Savage asked me to hand to him. We then found four
bottles of ale in the bag.
The Prisoner: Did you say you saw me take four bottles?
Witness: Yes.
Albert Edward Nickolls deposed: I am a fitter, living at 8, Albert Road.
At 5.10 yesterday afternoon I was in the Red Cow Inn. The last witness
was also there, and put his finger up to me as if he did not wish me to
speak, at the same time pointing to the private bar. No-one was at the
back of the counter at the time. The two counters are divided by a
screen, and there is an opening for passing things to and fro. When
Wickenden pointed at the private bar I looked in that direction, and saw
a hand passed through s screen and take a bottle of ale from under the
counter. I did not see Wickenden take the bag from the prisoner.
Albert Edward Savage, landlord of the Red Cow Inn, deposed: At ten
minutes past five yesterday afternoon I went into the private room at
the back of the bar. Wickenden came to me and my wife and made a
statement. I saw the prisoner in the private bar, and told Wickenden to
go and fetch the bag with the four bottles of ale from that bar, which
he did. I then looked under the counter and found four bottles of ale
were missing. I said to the prisoner “You have stolen these four bottles
of ale”, and he replied “I got them from elsewhere”. I requested him to
leave the house, and he did so, but returned later on, when I gave him
into custody and charged him.
Prisoner (to witness): Do you know the number of bottles under the
counter? – Yes; there were two dozen.
When did you count them last? – When I put them there, but four were
afterwards missing.
Do you know a woman came in and had two bottles? – No.
You say that I told you I got the bottles elsewhere? – Yes.
I did not. I brought in two bottles to change for stout.
Dora Woodward, barmaid at the Red Cow, said: The prisoner came into the
private bar at 4.30 yesterday afternoon, and asked for a pint of porter.
I served him, and he remained there just after five o'clock, when I went
off duty, and was in the private bar all the time. There were two dozen
bottles of beer under the counter at the time. The prisoner is a
customer at the house. No-one else came in while the prisoner was there.
Wickenden came in and made a statement to Mr. Savage about ten minutes
past five. The prisoner had not purchased any bottled ale. I saw the bag
and bottles taken from him. When he came in at 4.30 he had his bag
rolled up under his arm.
Prisoner: Was there another barmaid come in when you left? – Yes.
You say you saw the bag taken from me? – Yes.
No, you didn't. You saw the bag taken from the floor.
P.C. Lemar said: At 6.35 yesterday I was called to the private bar of
the Red Cow by the landlord, Mr. Savage. I there saw the prisoner. Mr.
Savage said “I wish to give this man into custody for stealing four
bottles of ale from a shelf under the counter in the private bar. I have
two other witnesses who saw him take it, and also the four bottles of
ale that he took in a carpet bag that belongs to Flisher”. Flisher then
replied “Don't be hard on me. I only took two; the other two I bought
and paid for”. I then brought him to the police station and charged him
with stealing the four bottles of ale, value 1s. 6d., and he replied “I
only stole two; the other two I paid for”.
Prisoner pleaded Guilty to stealing two bottles only, and handed in a
statement that he hoped the Bench would deal leniently with him. It was
his first offence, and he had never had a stain on his character.
He was sentenced to 14 days' hard labour.
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Folkestone Herald 7 March 1908.
Friday, March 6th: Before Alderman J. Banks, Councillor G. Boyd, Major
Leggett, Messrs. W.G. Herbert, and R.J. Linton.
Edward Flisher was charged with stealing four bottles of ale.
Frederick Wickenden, in the employ of Mr. Savage, landlord of the Red
Cow, said at about ten minutes past five on Thursday he was in the
public bar. He saw an arm reach over the counter of the private bar. The
two bars were divided by a glass screen. He saw the hand take four
bottles of ale. He went into the private bar, and there found the
prisoner, who had a bag with him. He asked prisoner to hand over the
bag, which contained four bottles of ale.
Albert Edward Nichols also gave evidence.
Albert Edward Savage, the landlord, deposed that he said to the prisoner
“You stole these bottles of ale”. Accused replied “I got them from
elsewhere”. He left the house when witness requested him, but returned
later. Witness gave him into custody.
Nora Woodward, barmaid, having been called, P.C. Lemar deposed that,
when given into custody, prisoner said “Don't be hard on me. I only
stole two; the other two I bought and paid for them”.
Prisoner put in a written statement, in which he said that he had never
had a stain on his character. He hoped they would deal leniently with
him, and would not send him to prison. He would take good care that it
would not happen again. It was only a sudden temptation that made him
commit the offence.
Prisoner was sentenced to 14 days' hard labour.
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Folkestone Express 14 March 1908.
Friday, March 6th: Before Alderman Banks, Major Leggett, W.G. Herbert,
R.J. Linton, and G. Boyd Esqs.
Edward Flisher was charged with stealing four bottles of ale from the
Red Cow Inn the previous afternoon.
Frederick Wickenden, a labourer, of 8, Garden Road, said he was in the
employ of Mr. Savage, the landlord of the Red Cow Inn. About ten minutes
past five the previous afternoon he was in the public bar with a man
named Nichols. During the time he was in the bar he noticed an arm reach
over the counter from the private bar, and four bottles of ale were
taken from a shelf under the counter. There was no-one at the back of
the counter at the time. He therefore told Mr. Savage what he had seen,
and, acting on instructions, he went into the private bar, where he saw
the prisoner, who was alone. He was carrying a bag, which he (witness)
took and handed to Mr. Svavge, who found the four bottles of ale in it.
Albert Edward Nichols, a fitter, of 8, Albert Road, said he was in the
public bar, when the last witness motioned to him to look in the
direction of the private bar, which was divided from the public bar by a
screen. Witness looked, and saw a hand and arm come over the counter and
take a bottle of ale from beneath the counter. Wickenden left the public
bar, and later he saw him go into the private bar.
Henry Edward Savage, the landlord of the Red Cow Inn, said at ten
minutes past five the previous evening, from what he was told by
Wickenden, he went and saw the prisoner in the private bar. Witness told
Wickenden to go and fetch the bag the prisoner was carrying, and when he
(witness) opened it he found the four bottles of ale produced. Witness,
on looking on the shelf beneath the counter, missed the four bottles of
ale. He then said to the prisoner “You have stolen these bottles of
ale”, and he replied “I got them from elsewhere”. At witness's request
Flisher left the house, but returned later, when he (witness) gave him
into custody. The selling price of the ale was 10d., and there was also
8d. for the bottles.
Cross-examined, witness said he knew how many bottles were placed on the
shelf.
Miss Woodward, the barmaid at the Red Cow, said she was in the bar at
half past four the previous afternoon, when prisoner came into the bar.
He asked for a pint of porter and she served him. Flisher was there when
she went off duty, after five o'clock. At that time there were about two
dozen bottles under the counter. From the time prisoner came into the
bar to the time she left, no-one else came into the bar. About ten
minutes after she left the bar, Wickenden came and made a statement to
Mr. Savage. Prisoner had not purchased any bottled ale. She saw the bag
and bottles taken from the prisoner. When he entered the bar he had the
bag rolled up under his arm.
P.C. Lemar said at 6.35 p.m. he was called to the private bar of the
house by the landlord, and he there saw Flisher, whom the landlord said
he wished to give into custody for stealing four bottles of ale. Flisher
said “Don't be hard on me. I only stole two, and the other two I bought
and paid for”. At the police station, on being charged, he repeated his
previous statement.
Prisoner agreed to the case being dealt with by the Magistrates, and he
pleaded Guilty to stealing two bottles of ale. He said he had purchased
the other two. A statement, written by the prisoner, was read to the
Magistrates. In it Flisher said he was truly sorry for what had
occurred. He had never been in such a position before. He had lived in
Folkestone eleven years, and the rest of his life he had spent at
Sandgate. He had never had a stain on his character, and he hoped and
trusted they would deal with him as leniently as they could. He appealed
to them not to send him to prison, as he did not wish to lose his
character. He was sure Mr. Savage did not press the charge against him.
It was sheer temptation that caused him to take the bottles.
Sent to prison for 14 days' hard labour.
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Folkestone Daily News 8 July 1910.
Friday, July 8th: Before Messrs. Vaughan, Jenner, and Fynmore.
Albert Carter was charged with being drunk and incapable yesterday.
Sergt. Sales deposed that he saw defendant at 2.30 in the afternoon in
Foord Road near the Public Baths. He was very drunk, and went into the
Imperial Hotel, but the landlord refused to serve him. Defendant then
went into the Red Cow public house and was again refused, and went in
the direction of the Viaduct and up Derby Steps, where he had to hold on
to the railings to keep himself from falling. Witness, with the
assistance of P.C. Allen, took him into custody.
P.C. Allen and Sergt. Simpson corroborated.
Defendant said he was not drunk. He had been ill for five years, and a
very little drink overcame him.
A fine of 2s. 6d. and 6s. 6d. costs, or 7 days' was imposed.
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Folkestone Herald 9 July 1910.
Friday, July 8th: Before Alderman T.J. Vaughan, Lieut. Col. Fynmore, and
Alderman C. Jenner.
Albert Carter, on bail, was charged with being drunk and incapable.
Prisoner pleaded Not Guilty.
P.S. Sales deposed that at about 2.30 the previous afternoon he was in
Foord Road, near the Public Baths, when he saw the defendant very drunk.
Defendant went away in the direction of Black Bull Road. Witness
followed him, in company with P.C. Allen, and saw him go into the
Imperial public house, where he was turned out by the landlord without
being served. About a quarter of an hour later he went into the Red Cow,
and was turned out of there also. He then went away in the direction of
the Viaduct, and went up the steps leading into Derby Place, and had the
greatest difficulty in getting up. Seeing that he was incapable of
taking care of himself, witness took him into custody, with the
assistance of P.C. Allen.
P.C. Allen and Sergt. Simpson corroborated as to the defendant's drunken
condition.
Defendant said he had been laid up with consumption for five years. He
had a glass or two to drink, and it overcame him. He had not worked for
nine months. He had a job to walk about. He had been a ratepayer for 34
years, and that was the first offence he had had brought against him.
The Chairman stated that the Bench felt very sorry that prisoner was in
that position. They had a duty to perform to the public, however, and he
thought that the police were to be commended on their conduct, and the
publicans, for not serving him in the condition he was in. A fine of 2s.
6d. and 6s. 6d. costs, or 7 days' imprisonment, was imposed, seven days
being allowed in which to pay.
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Folkestone Express 16 July 1910.
Friday, July 8th: Before Aldermen Vaughan and Jenner, and Lieut. Col.
Fynmore.
Albert Carter was charged with being drunk and incapable the previous
afternoon. He pleaded Not Guilty.
P.S. Sales said at about 2.30 the previous afternoon he was in Foord
Road, near the public baths, when he saw the defendant, who was very
drunk. He went away in the direction of Black Bull Road, and he
(witness), in company with P.C. Allen, followed him. He saw him go into
the Imperial public house, so they followed him in, and the defendant
was turned out by the landlord without being served. About a quarter of
an hour later he saw the defendant in the Red Cow, from which he was
ejected. Carter then went away in the direction of the Viaduct, and he
went up Derby Place steps. He had the greatest difficulty in mounting
the steps, and when about halfway up he stopped and held on the fence
for support. Seeing that he was incapable of taking care of himself,
witness, with the assistance of P.C. Allen, brought him to the police
station.
P.C. Allen said at about 2.15 p.m. he saw the prisoner being ejected
from the Castle public house. He advised him to go home. P.S. Sales then
came up. Witness then corroborated the sergeant's statement.
P.S. Simpson said at three o'clock, when the prisoner was brought in, he
was drunk.
Carter said he had been laid up with consumption for five years. He had
a glass or two of liquor the previous day, and no doubt that overcame
him. He had not worked for about nine months. His illness, however, made
him stagger, and he had a job to walk about at times. Therefore the
officer might have thought he was drunk.
Alderman Vaughan said the Magistrates thought the officers and the
publicans were to be commended for the action they took. The Bench had a
duty to perform, and they had decided to fine the defendant 2s. 6d. and
6s. 6d. costs.
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Folkestone Daily News 20 July 1910.
Wednesday, July 20th: Before Messrs. Herbert and Stainer.
Herbert Edward Savage (sic), landlord of the Red Cow inn, was summoned
for selling intoxicating liquor to a drunken person on the 7th July. Mr.
Haines appeared for defendant and pleaded Not Guilty. Mr. Mowll, of
Dover, represented Leney and Co.
Sergt. Sales deposed: About 2.30 on the 7th inst. I was in Foord Road,
near the Public Baths, when I saw a man named Carter, who was drunk.
Shortly afterwards I saw Carter go into the Imperial public house. I
went into the Imperial, and the landlord turned Carter out. About 15
minutes later, from something I was told, in company with P.C. Allen, I
visited the Red Cow inn. In a bar I saw Carter seated near the counter.
He had a glass containing rum on the counter. The barman was behind the
bar, and I asked him to call the landlord, Mr. Savage, who came in. I
said to him “You see this man's condition, landlord. He is drunk. He has
been served with liquor”. Mr. Savage replied “I am very sorry. I did not
know he was in the house”. The barman said “I served him”. The landlord
then took the rum away, and advised Carter to leave the house. After
Carter got up, I said to the landlord “You see he is drunk”, and he
replied “I am very sorry, Sergeant”. Carter left, and shortly afterwards
was locked up for being drunk and incapable.
Cross-examined by Mr. Haines: Was Carter discharged when summoned?
Witness: No. He was fined.
What made you think Carter was drunk? – By his manner and walk.
Could the landlord see he was drunk? – Not unless he saw him come in, as
Carter went in and sat down.
Did you ask him to stand up? – Both the landlord and I did.
And Carter walked from the Red Cow to the Derby Steps without
assistance? – Yes.
And went up the steps without assistance? – Yes, about half way up, and
then held on to the rails.
Had the glass of rum been touched? – Well, it wasn't full.
P.C. Allen said he was in company with Sergt. Sales on the 7th July, and
corroborated all the previous witness had said.
Sergt. Simpson said Carter was drunk when brought to the police station.
Percy William Attwood, landlord of the Castle Inn, said he ejected
Carter because he was inclined to be troublesome when he had had a glass
or two. Witness did not think Carter was drunk, although he had been
drinking.
Defendant went into the witness box and said he had been manager of the
Red Cow 11 years, and landlord five years. He did not see Carter come
into the bar on the 7th July, and did not know he was there until Sergt.
Sales spoke to him about it. He admitted that he did not contradict the
Sergeant when told about Carter's condition.
George Barringer, barman at the Red Cow, said he served Carter with
twopennyworth of rum, and he seemed alright. After being served, Carter
sat down.
The Chief Constable: You were there when Sales came in? – Yes.
And you heard him call attention to Carter's condition? – Yes.
And you didn't say Carter was not drunk? – No.
Did he stagger when he stood up? - No, he stood up alright.
Alfred William Chambers, harness maker, Foord Road, said he saw Carter
after he left the Red Cow, and he seemed to witness to be more ill than
drunk.
The Chief Constable: Do you know Carter?
Witness: No.
Ever seen him before? – No.
Then the man you saw might not have been Carter at all? – Certainly.
Then what induced you to come here and give evidence? – Well, I was
asked to come here and say what I saw.
Mr. Haines briefly addressed the Bench, pointing out that there was
nothing to indicate that Carter was drunk when he was served by the
barman. Every precaution was taken to guard against serving persons who
were intoxicated, and this fact was borne out when he stated that no
charge had been brought against this house during the last 16 years. He
pointed out that it would be a serious matter for his client if he was
convicted, and asked the Bench to take into consideration the good
conduct of the house and dismiss the case.
The Bench retired for a few minutes, and on returning the Chairman said
they had taken into consideration what Mr. Haines had said, and the case
would be dismissed, but warned defendant to be careful in future.
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Folkestone Express 23 July 1910.
Wednesday, July 20th: Before Messrs. W.G. Herbert, J. Stainer, and R.J.
Linton.
Herbert Edward Savage, the licensee of the Red Cow Inn, was summoned for
selling intoxicating liquors to a drunken person, on July 7th. Mr. G.W.
Haines appeared for the defendant, who pleaded Not Guilty, and Mr. R.
Mowll, of Messrs. Mowll and Mowll, of Dover, watched the case on behalf
of Messrs. Leney and Co., the owners of the house.
P.S. Sales said at about 2.30 the afternoon of July 7th he was in Foord
Road, near the public baths, when he saw a man named Albert Carter, who
was drunk. Shortly afterwards he saw Carter go into the Imperial public
house, Black Bull Road. In company with P.C. Allen, he went into the
Imperial and called the landlord's attention to Carter's condition.
Carter was turned out without being served. A quarter of an hour later,
from something he was told, in company with P.C. Allen, he visited the
Red Cow. In a bar, known as the bottle and jug department, he saw Carter
sitting near the counter. A glass containing liquor was standing on the
counter in front of him. He afterwards found the liquor was rum. The
barman was behind the bar, and he asked him to call the landlord. Mr.
Savage then came into the bar, and he said to him “You see this man's
condition, landlord? He is drunk. He has been served with liquor”. Mr.
Savage replied “I am very sorry. I did not know he was in the house”.
The barman said “I served him”. The landlord then took away the glass
containing the liquor, and advised Carter to leave the house. Shortly
afterwards Carter was locked up for drunkenness on the Derby Place steps
by P.C. Allen and himself. There was no-one else in the bar at the time.
He told the landlord after Carter left that he should report him for a
summons for supplying drink to a drunken person. Defendant replied that
he was sorry. He did not say that Carter was not drunk.
Cross-examined, witness said Carter was not discharged by the
Magistrates, but was fined. He was charged with being drunk and
incapable, but was not charged with being drunk on licensed premises. In
the first instance he was informed that Carter was drunk, and he also
saw for himself when he came out of the public lavatory opposite the
baths that he was drunk. He was led to think that the man was drunk by
his general appearance and that he could not walk straight. He believed
Carter was consumptive. Carter was able to walk to the Imperial without
any assistance. He warned the landlord of that house because Carter was
drunk. He was afraid the landlord would not have seen that Carter was
drunk because he went in and sat down. It was their instructions to warn
a publican when a drunken man went in the house. When carter got out of
the house he advised him to go away, and Allen and himself (witness)
went up the Black Bull Road. When he pointed it out to the landlord that
Carter was drunk, they both of them asked him to stand up. Carter did
stand up and did not fall over, although he had the usual difficulty of
a drunken man in getting up. He got up from his seat without assistance.
When they arrested Carter he was hanging on with one hand to the fence
by the side of the Derby Place steps. He had no doubt about the man
being drunk, while at the same time he might have been ill. He should
think about a third of the contents of the glass in front of Carter had
been drank. The man's symptoms were such that it must have been palpable
to anyone that he was drunk. It could be easily detected that he was
drunk by his gait.
Re-examined by the Chief Constable, Sales said if he had seen Carter
enter the Red Cow he would have warned the landlord.
P.C. Allen said at a quarter past two on July 7th he was in Foord Road,
near the Public Baths, when he saw Carter leave the Red Cow public bar,
drunk. He saw him go across the road and enter the Castle Inn public
house. He went to that house, and on pushing the door open he saw Carter
go away, and he went down into the public convenience. P.S. Sales came
up at about half past two, and Carter once again appeared and went into
the Imperial. Witness then corroborated the previous witness's story of
what afterwards occurred. He had no doubt that the man was drunk.
In reply to the Clerk, P.C. Allen said when Carter got up from his seat
in the Red Cow he reeled a little.
Cross-examined, witness said that from 2.15 to a quarter to three Carter
got gradually worse. The reason they left the man after he came out of
the Imperial was because he had to work his beat, but before doing so
they advised him to go away. They hoped that he would go home.
Percy Attwood, the landlord of the Castle Inn, Foord, said that he had
known Carter for some time. On July 7th, at 2.15 in the afternoon, he
was on the flat top of the front portion of his premises when his
attention was called by a plumber to Carter coming from the direction of
the Red Cow. The man went up to some dustmen and began kicking about a
heap of dirt which they had just swept up. Noting his actions, he
(witness) went down into the bar, thinking that he might come into the
house. Carter came in immediately after. He ordered him to leave before
he asked for any drink, and ultimately he had to eject him. He looked
out of the window afterwards and saw Carter go towards Black Bull Road.
He man walked all right. The man's actions in the road, and as his
previous experience of the man led him to think that he would become a
nuisance, were the reasons why he ejected him.
The Chief Constable: You say that and no other reason caused you to
refuse to serve him?
Witness: He was a trifle thick in his speech.
Cross-examined, Mr. Attwood said when he was on the top of the front
portion of his house he saw Carter was in some way under the observation
of the police. He refused to serve him in order to avoid any trouble in
his house. His wife, who was serving in the bar, would not have served
Carter, who had not been served by her for two years. Witness, however,
had served him once or twice during the last month or so.
The Clerk: The Bench would like to know if you would have served Carter
yourself if you had not seen what you had outside? – No, sir.
Why not? – Because he was a man, when he had had a drink or two, would
behave in a hostile manner and challenge anyone. I thought he was likely
to get up to his horse-play.
Answering further questions, witness said he was of opinion that Carter
had had a glass or two of beer, and was in a condition likely to cause
trouble. In his opinion the man was not drunk. When P.S. Sales came to
see him about four or five days after, he told him what he told the
Magistrates about the man's condition.
P.S. Simpson gave evidence that when Carter was brought in at 3 p.m. on
the 7th he was drunk.
Defendant went into the witness box and gave evidence on his own behalf.
He said he had been the tenant of the Red Cow for five years, and for
the previous eleven years he had acted as manager for his sister. During
that time there had been nothing against the house. He had always given
his barmen instructions not to serve anyone in any way intoxicated.
Until he was called into the bar, when P.S. Sales and P.C. Allen were
present, he had not seen Carter before that day. He asked Carter to
stand up and he did so. He also saw him walk from his premises to the
Viaduct. There was nothing about his appearance or gait to lead him to
think he was drunk.
The Chairman: When the police called your attention to the man's
condition, did you deny that he was drunk? – No.
The hief Constable: The sergeant told you when you got out of the bar
that he should report you. Did you deny that Carter was drunk? – No.
Did you say “I am sorry”? – I did.
George Barringer, a barman in the defendant's employ, said he was in the
bar when Carter came in and called for two pennyworth of rum. Carter
stood when asking for the liquor, but sat down when he was served. He
had no conversation with the man, whom he thought was quite sober. He
certainly did not appear to be drunk.
Cross-examined by the Chief Constable, witness said that neither the
landlord nor himself denied that the man was drunk. Carter had
previously been in the house, and he was served on that occasion with
two pennyworth of rum. When the man was told to stand up, he stood up,
although he was not erect.
Alfred William Chambers, harness maker, of 122, Foord Road, said about
2.30 on the afternoon of the 7th his attention was attracted to a man
outside the Red Cow. He saw him walk in the direction of the Viaduct,
followed by the police officers. He certainly did not think the man was
drunk; he looked more ill than drunk.
Cross-examined, witness said he did not know the man Carter, and he
could not say that the man referred to was Carter.
Mr. Haines then briefly addressed the Bench.
The Magistrates retired, and on their return into court, the Chairman
said the Bench had very carefully considered all the evidence, and
taking into consideration the character Savage had borne, the character
the house had always borne, and all the circumstances, they were
inclined to deal very mercifully with him. Technically, they could have
brought him in Guilty, but taking everything into consideration, they
would dismiss the charge. He hoped it would be a warning to him, and to
all publicans and barmen, to look very carefully before serving anyone.
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Folkestone Herald 23 July 1910.
Wednesday, July 19th: Before Messrs. W.G. Herbert, J. Stainer, and R.J.
Linton.
Herbert Edward Savage was summoned for selling intoxicating liquor to a
drunken person. Defendant pleaded Not Guilty. Mr. G.W. Haines appeared
for the defendant, and Mr. Mowll, of Dover, represented Messrs. Leney
and Co.
P.C. Sales said that about 2.30 p.m. on the 7th inst. he saw a man named
Carter, who was drunk, in Foord Road, near the Public Baths. Shortly
afterwards this man went into the Imperial public house. In company with
P.C. Allen, witness then went into the Imperial, and called the
landlord's attention to Carter's condition. The landlord sent Carter out
without serving him. About half an hour later, from something he was
told, witness, still in the company of P.C. Allen, went to the Red Cow
Inn (kept by the defendant). There, in the bar known as the bottle and
jug department, they saw Carter, who was sitting near the counter. Near
him was a glass containing a quantity of drink. Witness did not know at
the time what it was, but afterwards found out that it was rum. The
barman was behind the counter, and witness asked him to fetch the
landlord. The barman did so. Witness called the landlord's attention to
Carter's condition, saying that he was drunk, and that he had been
served. Defendant replied that he was very sorry, and that he did not
know that Carter was in the house. The barman stated that he had served
Carter. The landlord took the glass away. Carter was advised to leave
the house, which he did. When he went out witness said to defendant “You
see the man is drunk, don't you?” He replied “I am very sorry,
sergeant”. Shortly afterwards Carter was locked up for drunkenness. He
was near the Derby Place steps when witness and P.C. Allen arrested him.
Cross-examined by Mr. Haines, witness said that when he was in the Red
Cow he did ask Carter to stand up. He got up without falling over, and
without assistance. He walked down the road without assistance. Carter
got part of the way up Derby Place steps, and then stopped. It was
witness's opinion that he could not go any further. Carter might have
been ill, but in witness's opinion he was undoubtedly drunk. There was a
handrail part of the way up the steps.
P.C. Allen corroborated.
Cross-examined, witness stated that Carter was drunk when he first saw
him, but got worse. There was no doubt he was drunk, as he reeled when
he walked. When he stood up in the Red Cow he reeled, although he stood
up without assistance. He walked down the road after he had left the Red
Cow without assistance.
Percy William Attwood, the landlord of the Castle, said that he was on
the flat roof of his premises at about 2.15 p.m. on the day in question,
talking to a plumber who was doing some repairs. From what the plumber
said he looked over into the road, and there saw Carter. Two policemen
were watching him. Witness could not form any idea as to how he was
walking as he came from the direction of the Red Cow, and witness could
only see him side face. Carter came across the road, and started to kick
up some dust that the roadmen had swept up. Witness then went downstairs
into the bar, as he thought perhaps Carter might come into his house.
Carter did come into the house, but witness told him that he would not
be served.
P.S. Simpson said that he was on duty at the police office when Carter
was brought in. There was no doubt that he was drunk.
Defendant, in the witness box, stated that he had been the landlord of
the Red Cow for 5 years, and had been manager there for his sister for
11 years. During that time there had been nothing against the house.
There were four bars in the house. He kept a barman, and always gave him
instructions never to serve an intoxicated person. He knew Carter, but
until he had been called into the bar by the policemen he had not seen
him that day. Defendant told Carter to stand up, and also saw him walk
out of the house. He stood up without assistance, and walked away all
right. He had said he was sorry because he was sorry to see the man in
that state.
George Barringer, the barman at the Red Cow, said that he had been in
the house over four years. He was in the bar when Carter came in. He
walked in all right, and asked for twopennyworth of rum. He sat down in
the bar when he had been served. There was nothing in his appearance to
suggest that he was drunk. Witness would not have served him had he been
drunk.
Questioned by the Chief Constable, witness said Carter was only in the
bar about four or five minutes on the outside on this occasion. He had
been in the bar before that morning, and had had a similar drink.
William Chambers, a harness maker, residing at 123, Foord Road, stated
that he was going out for a drive at about 2.30 p.m. on the day in
question. His attention was drawn to Carter by the fact that the two
policemen were following him. He did not know Carter at all, and was
therefore not sure that he was the man that the police were following.
The man that they had under observation was certainly not drunk. Witness
added that he was not absolutely positive that the man he saw was the
man in question.
The Bench, after a short deliberation in private, returned, and the
Chairman said the case should be a warning to publicans and barmen in
the future to look very carefully at their customers. It was all very
well for them to say that they did not know that the man was drunk, but
unfortunately the Act did not allow this as any defence. However, in
view of the previous good character of the house, the Bench thought they
might dismiss the case against Mr. Savage.
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Folkestone Express 21 October 1911
Local News.
We regret to record the death of Mr. H.E. Savage, the landlord of the
Red Cow Inn, Foord. Although Mr. Savage had been rather unwell on and
off for some time, his death was rather sudden, the seizure from which
he died early in Monday morning being only of two days' duration. Mr.
Savage, who was 39 years of age, had been the licensee of the Red Cow
for about five years, and was a genial landlord. He was highly respected
by a large circle of friends, and the greatest sympathy will be felt
with the widow and family in the loss which they have sustained.
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Folkestone Herald 21 October 1911.
Obituary.
We regret to record the death of Mr. Herbert Edward Savage, which sad
event occurred on Monday. Mr. Savage had for several years been the
proprietor of the Red Cow Inn, Foord Road, and was very popular among a
large circle of friends. He had been ill for some time, but his death
came rather unexpectedly. The funeral took place on Thursday afternoon.
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Folkestone Daily News 30 November 1911.
Wednesday, November 29th: Before Messrs. Stainer, Linton and Leggett.
The licence of the Red Cow was transferred from the late Mr. Savage to
Mrs. Savage, his widow.
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Folkestone Express 2 December 1911.
Wednesday, November 29th: Before J. Stainer and R.J. Linton Esqs., and
Major Leggett.
Mr. De Wet, solicitor, said he was instructed to apply for the transfer
of the licence of the Red Cow Inn, Foord, from the executors of the late
Mr. Herbert Edward Savage, who was the licence holder. Under the Act, it
was provided that the executors should have power to carry on the
business until the next transfer day. Mrs. Savage (widow) would be
assisted by her elder brother, who would act as manager.
Mr. Linton asked whether it was to be a permanent transfer.
Mr. De Wet said Mrs. Savage hoped to retain it as long as the Bench and
the brewers would allow her.
The application was granted.
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Folkestone Herald 2 December 1911.
Wednesday, November 29th: Before Mr. J. Stainer, Major Leggett, and Mr.
R.J. Linton.
Mr. De Wet applied on behalf of Mrs. Savage for the transfer of the
licence of the Red Cow to her. The licence had been held by the
applicant's husband, who had recently died. Mr. De Wet explained that
the business had been carried on by the executors of the will, but the
licence must be transferred at the first licensing sessions. He
explained that the applicant's elder brother was going to help her with
the business, and was to live constantly on the premises.
The application was granted.
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Folkestone Daily News 12 November 1912.
Tuesday, November 12th: Before The Mayor, Messrs. Herbert, Boyd,
Vaughan, Harrison, Stace, Linton, Ward, Stainer, Fynmore, Giles,
Morrison and Wood.
A temporary transfer of the Red Cow was granted to Mr. George
Summerfield from Mrs. Savage, it being understood that Mr. Summerfield's
son was about to take over the licence of the Royal Standard.
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Folkestone Express 16 November 1912.
Local News.
The licence of the Red Cow Inn, Foord Road, was temporarily transferred
on Tuesday by the borough Magistrates from Mrs. Savage to Mr. G.
Smallfield (sic) of the Royal Standard, who, however, had to make
arrangements for his son to manage the house until the licence he then
held could be transferred to his son.
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Folkestone Herald 16 November 1912.
Tuesday, November 12th: Before The Mayor, Mr. E.T. Ward, Mr. W.G.
Herbert, Mr. J. Stainer, Major G.E. Leggett, Mr. R.J. Linton, Mr. G.
Boyd, Councillor W.J. Harrison, Mr. E.T. Morrison, and Councillor A.
Stace.
Application was made for the temporary transfer of the licence of the
Red Cow Inn from Mrs. Savage to Mr. George Summerfield, at present the
landlord of the Royal Standard, Canterbury Road. It was explained that
arrangements were being made for Mr. Summerfield's son to take over the
licence of the Royal Standard.
The application was granted on the understanding that Mr. Summerfield
Jun. went into the Red Cow for the time being until his father could
take over the business.
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Folkestone Daily News 29 November 1912.
Wednesday, November 27th: Before Messrs. Ward, Herbert, Stainer,
Leggett, Stace, Swoffer, Linton, and Boyd.
The licence of the Red Cow, Foord, was transferred from Mrs. Savage to
Mr. G. Summerfield, and the latter gentleman's licence, the Royal
Standard, was transferred to his son, John William Summerfield.
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Folkestone Herald 30 November 1912.
Wednesday, November 27th: Before Mr. E.T. Ward, Mr. W.G. Herbert, Mr. J.
Stainer, Mr. G.I. Swoffer, Major G.E. Leggett, Mr. R.J. Linton, Mr. G.
Boyd, and Councillor A. Stace.
The licence of the Red Cow, Foord Road, was temporarily transferred from
Mrs. Savage to Mr. George Summerfield, and that of the Royal Standard
was transferred from Mr. G. Summerfield to his son, Mr. John William
Summerfield.
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Folkestone Express 15 March 1913.
Monday, March 10th: Before E.T. Ward Esq., Aldermen Vaughan and Jenner,
Captain Chamier, and J.J. Giles Esq.
Leonard Eaton Brown, a lance corporal in the Lancashire Fusileers, was
charged with being drunk and disorderly.
Detective Johnson said about twenty minutes past seven the prisoner came
to the police station, and said he wished to report the landlord of the
Red Cow for refusing to serve him. P.S. Sales took his complaint, and
advised him to come in the morning as he was the worse for drink.
Prisoner became very abusive and refused, so they ejected him. When he
got outside, Brown began to bang on the door, so they took him into
custody.
Prisoner had nothing to say.
An officer from the regiment said the prisoner was addicted to drink,
and had been three times punished in the service, the last time being a
year ago.
The Chairman, in fining Brown 5s. and 4s. 6d. costs, said they did not
have a soldier before them very often, and they hoped they would not see
one there for a long time to come.
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Folkestone Express 24 February 1917.
Local News.
The licence of the Red Cow Inn, Foord, was on Tuesday temporarily
transferred at the Police Court from Mr. G. Summerfield, who is in a bad
state of health, to Mr. W.H. Collar, who formerly kept the Royal Oak.
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Folkestone Herald 24 February 1917.
Local News.
At the Folkestone Petty Sessions on Tuesday, Mr. W.H. Collard, late
landlord of the Royal Oak, North Street, applied for the temporary
transfer of the licence of the Red Cow, Foord, from Mr. G. Summerfield,
who is relinquishing the business due to serious illness. The request
was granted.
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Folkestone Express 3 March 1917.
Local News.
On Wednesday the Red Cow was transferred from Mr. G. Summerfield to Mr.
W.H. Collar.
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Folkestone Herald 10 March 1917.
Obituary.
Many will learn with regret that Mr. George Summerfield, of Canterbury
Road, passed away on Sunday after a somewhat prolonged illness. Deceased
was well-known as a licensed victualler. He aws for many years landlord
of the Royal Standard, Canterbury Road, and latterly had carried on
business at the Red Cow Inn, Foord Road. To meet his wish, his family
had him removed to his old house (his son being licensee there now),
where he died. The late Mr. Summerfield enjoyed the sincere esteem of a
large circle. There was no keener supporter of football in Folkestone
and he was an active member of the Radnor Park Bowls Club. In truth can
it be said of him, whether in pastimes or other dealings with his
fellows, he played a straight game. The Standard Sick and Dividend Club
was his special pride, and his care for the Royal Victoria Hospital was
well manifested in the many handsome collections which have been
credited to the Royal Standard from time to time. To his widow and
family there goes out a genuine sympathy. The funeral took place from
the Royal Standard on Thursday.
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Folkestone Herald 10 March 1917.
Adjourned Licensing Sessions.
Wednesday, March 6th: Before Mr. E.T. Ward, Lieut. Col. R.J. Fynmore,
Mr. G.I. Swoffer, and Mr. H. Kirke.
The licences of the Chequers Inn, Seagate Street, the Red Cow, Foord,
and Royal Oak, North Street, were respectively transferred Mr. Bert
Nash, Mr. W. Collard, and Mr. H.W. Baldock.
The Chairman, addressing the licensees, impressed upon them the great
necessity of taking the greatest care in the conduct of their
businesses, whilst at the same time acknowledging their difficulties.
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Folkestone Express 5 May 1917.
Notice.
Re. George Summerfield, deceased.
All persons having claims against the estate of George Summerfield, late
of the Red Cow Inn, Foord Road, Folkestone, Kent, licensed victualler,
deceased, who died on the 3rd March, 1917, are required to send
particulars thereof to me, the undersigned Solicitor for the Executors,
before the 11th June next, after which date the Executors will
distribute the assets having regard only to claims then notified.
Dated 3rd May, 1917, Geo. W. Haines, 18 and 20, Church Street,
Folkestone, Solicitor for the Executors.
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Folkestone Express 6 December 1924.
Local News.
At the Folkestone Police Court on Tuesday, William Henry Collar was
summoned for having on the 22nd November, did by his servant, deliver
four quarts of ale from a crate, and did not make an entry of the fact
in the day book kept by him on the premises. Frederick Wickenden was
summoned for being the person delivering the ale without having with him
an invoice.
The Chief Constable (Mr. A.S. Beesley) said this case was the first of
the kind they had had in the borough for a long time. It was for
delivering liquor without having a delivery note or invoice. The
regulation was perfectly clear, and as a matter of fact defendant could
have been summoned for three offences. Wickenden was seen delivering
four bottles in a crate, and he was asked for his delivery note, and he
said “What, for this?” He then said “I had it, but I expect I have lost
it”. He did not produce it. Inquiry was made of Collar, who was landlord
of the Red Cow public house, and the day book was examined, but not
before there had been some little difficulty. The officer in charge had
to wait while defendant went into another room, and he was so long that
the police officer followed, and saw certain entries being made in the
day book, and demanded the book, and he found entries apparently
recently made, but the alleged notice was not complete, and that was the
most serious feature of the case.
Mr. R. Mowll appeared for both defendants, and pleaded Guilty.
Inspector Pittock said that about 11.30 a.m. on Saturday, the 22nd
November, he saw Wickenden leave the Red Cow public house, Foord Road,
carrying a crate containing four quart bottles of ale. He followed him
to No. 2, Pavilion Road, and went up to him on the doorstep and said to
him “Show me your delivery note for this sale”. Wickenden said “For
this?” Witness said “Yes”. Wickenden said “Well, I had it, but I suppose
I have lost it”. The beer was delivered. Witness went back to the Red
Cow and asked to see the day book Collar went to another room, and as
there appeared to be some unnecessary delay, he (witness) walked up into
the adjoining bar, and saw the barman writing in the day book, with
Collar bending over his shoulder. He told him not to make any entry, but
to give the book to him. He found the last invoice was dated the 19th
November, and an invoice was being made out for Mrs. Spicer, dated the
22nd November, and Mrs. Spicer's name was on it. He said to Collar “What
do you mean by this?” Collar replied “To tell you the truth, I have not
troubled much about it”. He told defendant he would report him for a
summons, and he replied “It is a standing order”. The barman said “I
gave him the delivery note”. Wickenden said “I lost it”.
By the Chief Constable: He noticed a number of counterfoils had been
removed from the book previous to the 19th November. Defendant said “I
don't trouble to keep the counterfoils”.
P.C. Lawrence corroborated.
Mr. Mowll said there was no defence to the case. He pleaded Guilty. The
licensee had held a licence for 24 years without any sort of question,
and he had been seven years in this house, and this was just because it
was one of those moments in a man's life when his good character should
stand in very good stead for him. He was not justifying what happened.
There was a laxity about the compliance with this quite modern rule
under the Act of 1921, which now required that a licensee who was
sending out anything like a crate required the licensee to enter the
transaction in a day book, which he kept at his place, and an invoice
which was delivered to the customer, and that was the proper thing to
do, and what he ought to have done. He did not do it. It was the first
case of its kind that had been brought before the Magistrates, and his
submission was that although it was absolutely the duty of licensed
victuallers to comply with the law, he was asking the Magistrates to
take into consideration defendant's long good character. There were many
ways in which a licensed victualler was liable to lend himself open to a
prosecution. He understood defendant had not been previously summoned on
any account for a quarter of a century. That was a very fine record.
Supposing he had carried on some criminal offence. Could there be any
doubt a most merciful view would have been taken of his conduct, having
regard to his good character? A case like this did a lot of good. It
brought to the notice of every licensed victualler there was this
section they had to comply with. He suggested to the Magistrates that
the man's previous record and good character justified them in taking
this course – that while he had committed an offence they did not
consider they were obliged to tarnish his reputation by recording a
conviction against him, but to exercise their right of dismissing the
case on the payment of costs. It would be a warning to others, and to
defendant, that this sort of thing must not happen again. With regard to
Wickenden, he could only say that the responsibility of this case was
entirely upon the licensed victualler. They had this customer, and it
was a standing order they should deliver to her house a crate of ale
once a week, and they were complying with it. It ought to have been
recorded, but it was not, and therefore an offence had been committed.
The Clerk asked what was the object of Section 7 of the Licensing Act –
was it directed against hawking?
Mr. Mowll said he thought that was the main object, and that the
legislature in introducing this as a post-war measure with a view to
meeting what had been done before the war, by persons selling beer away
from their premises. It applied to every licensed victualler, but he
doubted whether it was the licensed victualler himself that it was
primarily aimed at. He thought the idea was to prevent hawking.
The Chief Constable said that with all due regard to Mr. Mowll, he did
not see what he could say was in the eyes of the legislature when they
made the regulation.
Mr. Mowll said it was the duty of a lawyer to try and interpret what it
meant.
After the Magistrates had retired, the Chairman said the Magistrates had
decided to dismiss the cases on the payment of costs, but at the same
time they wished to point out to defendant, and to all publicans in the
town, that these regulations must be complied with, and all persons who
sold liquor for consumption off the premises must comply with the law,
and they considered that defendant, with his great experience, should
have been the last to fall.
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Folkestone Herald 6 December 1924.
Tuesday, December 2nd: Before Colonel G.P. Owen, Mr. G. Boyd, the Rev.
H. Epworth Thompson, Mr. L.G.A. Collins, Colonel P. Broome-Giles, and
Miss. A.M. Hunt.
William Henry Collar, the licensee of the Red Cow Inn, Foord Road, was
summoned for delivering four quarts of ale on November 22nd without
making an entry of the fact in his day book. Frederick Wickenden was
summoned for delivering the ale without an invoice. Mr. Rutley Mowll
appeared for the defence.
The Chief Constable (Mr. A.S. Beesley) said before any evidence was
called that this was the first case they had had in the borough. The
regulations were perfectly clear on the point, and there were really
three offences, but they were only proceeding on one. Wickenden was
employed by Collar. Defendants both pleaded Guilty.
Inspector Pittock said that about 11.30 a.m. on Saturday, November 22nd,
he saw defendant Wickenden with a crate of beer leave the Red Cow Inn
and go to 2, Pavilion Road. Witness asked defendant for his delivery
note. Wickenden replied “What, for this?” Defendant said “I had it, but
I expect I have lost it”. He saw Collar, told him he had just stopped
Wickenden for not having a delivery note, and he asked him (Collar) for
the day book. He replied “All right” and went to a bar. Defendant was
away some time, and witness's suspicions were aroused. He went to the
bar and saw the barman writing in a book, Collar looking over his
shoulder. He asked defendant for the book and he found that the last
invoice was dated 19th November. An attempt had been made to make out an
invoice for Spicer, of Pavilion Road. He said to Collar “What is meant
by this?”, and Collar replied “To tell the truth, I did not trouble much
about it”. He told defendant he would report him, and he replied “It is
a standing order”. The barman said “I gave him (Wickenden) a delivery
note”. Wickenden said “I lost it”.
In reply to the Chief Constable, witness said when he examined the day
book he found only one used invoice. Collar said he did not trouble to
keep the counterfoils.
P.C. Lawrence also gave evidence.
Mr. Mowll said Collar had been a licensee for 24 years, and had been
seven years licensee of the Red Cow Inn. It was just because it was one
of the moments in a man's life when his good character stood in good
stead. There was a laxity in the compliance with a quite modern rule,
which required every licensee, in delivering anything like a crate of
ale, to enter up the transaction in the day book, and have an invoice to
deliver to the customer. Defendant ought to have done that, but he did
not. They heard it was the first case brought before that Bench, and,
although it was the duty of all licensed victuallers to keep the law, he
did ask them to take into consideration defendant's good character, and
the fact that he had never been summoned before. A case like that did a
lot of good, for it brought things to the notice of other victuallers.
Mr. Mowll suggested that the defendant's previous good character and
record would justify the Bench in taking a certain course, viz., not to
record a conviction against defendants, but to dismiss the case on
payment of costs. He suggested it would be a warning, not only to his
client, but others, that that sort of thing must not happen again. As
regards Wickenden, he thought the responsibility was on the licensed
victualler. The order for Spicer was a standing one, and there was an
order for the delivery of a crate of ale once a week.
The Magistrates having retired, on their return the Chairman said that
they had decided to dismiss the case on payment of costs. He wished to
point out, however, that the regulations must be complied with. People
who sold liquor should obey the law, and defendant, with his great
experience, should have known.
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Folkestone Express 20 December 1924.
Wednesday, December 17th: Before Mr. G. Boyd and other Magistrates.
Ernest Alfred Clarke, Folkestone, was charged with being the trustee of
a sum of 9s., and fraudulently converting it to his own use.
Sergt. Styles said that at 4.50 on Tuesday afternoon he was in the
Police Office when the prisoner went in, and said “I wish to give myself
up for embezzling funds belonging to the Red Cow public house share-out
club, of which I have been acting as Secretary”. He said to him “Are you
serious?”, and he replied “Yes”. He had no further conversation with
him. Prisoner remained in the office for a time, until the arrival of
Det. Insp. Johnson.
William Henry Collar, licensee of the Red Cow Inn, Foord Road, said he
had a thrift club at his house, called “The Red Cow Share-Out Club”. The
Secretary was the prisoner, and he (Mr. Collar) was Treasurer. The
members attended at his house between the hours of 7 and 8.30 every
Tuesday evening for the purpose of paying in their contributions, which
ranged from threepence upwards. Each member had a membership card. The
contributions were paid direct to the Secretary, and it was his duty to
enter the amount paid on the member's card and return it to the paying
member. Defendant also kept the Secretary's account book, and it was his
duty to enter at the time of receipt all sums received by him. On the
15th April last he paid defendant 10s., and he entered the receipt on
his card. In the Secretary's book only 1s. was entered. At the close of
the weekly meetings it was defendant's duty to pay over to him, as
Treasurer, all the monies received by him from the members, for which he
gave him a receipt, taken from a counterfoil book. He received from
defendant at the close of the meeting on the 15th April £5 2s. He gave
defendant the receipt produced, entering the amount received on the
counterfoil. When he received the amounts he did not check them with the
amount shown in the Secretary's book. On Tuesday afternoon defendant
attended at his house by appointment, for the purpose of getting the
money ready for distribution to the members at the annual share-out of
the members. Defendant took with him the Secretary's book, the receipts
produced for the year's payments to him (witness), and the box
containing numbered envelopes, bearing the name of each member of the
Thrift Club, most of the members' cards, some of which had not been
taken in, and the amount paid in by each member in the prisoner's
handwriting. The cash received weekly from defendant was paid by him
into a deposit account with Messrs. Leney and Co., his brewers, who
allowed 5 percent interest. He had received from Messrs. Leney a cheque
for £291 2s. 3d., representing the year's payments with interest, and he
had in hand a sum of £27 13s. 4d., representing the last two or three
weeks' contributions from the members, which he had not deposited with
the brewers. He cashed the cheque ready for the share-out on Tuesday
evening, and the defendant counted the cash to see that it was correct.
He found it was correct, and defendant then turned round to him and said
“I shall have to ask you to assist me”. He said “What for? Are you
behind in your accounts?” Defendant said “Yes”. He said to defendant
“How much are you behind?”, and he replied “£88”. Witness said “Well,
you will get no £88 out of me. The best thing you can do is go to the
police station and give yourself up”. Defendant said “That is what I
will do”. Defendant then left the house.
Inspector Bourne said that was as far as he could take the case that
morning, and in the absence of the Chief Constable he asked for a remand
in custody until Tuesday next.
Mr. Boyd asked Mr. Collar if he ever saw the Secretary's book.
Mr. Collar said he did not. It was no business of his.
Mr. Boyd: Don't these men pay the money in because you are the landlord
of the house, and they think the brewers are behind you?
Mr. Collar: No, they simply join the club.
Mr. Boyd: they join the club, and bring something to the house, and have
their drink in the house.
Mr. Collar: Some.
Mr. Boyd: Do you mean to say some come and don't?
Mr. Collar: Yes, plenty.
Mr. Boyd: I should have thought you would have looked through the
Secretary's book.
Mr. Collar: I sign here for the amount received.
Mr. Boyd: you have other officials here?
Mr. Collar: Yes, the Committee.
Mr. Boyd: Does the Committee ever attend?
Mr. Collar: It is very seldom we have a Committee meeting.
Mr. Boyd: All the more reason you should examine it, and see it.
By the Clerk: There was no check on defendant's accounts until he
attended for the annual share-out.
The Clerk asked defendant if he applied for bail.
Defendant said he had not got any money. He would like to apply for
bail.
Inspector Bourne said he was instructed by the Chief Constable to oppose
bail.
The Chairman said bail would be granted in two sureties of £25 each, or
one in £50, and defendant in £25.
The case was adjourned until Monday.
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Folkestone Herald 20 December 1924.
Wednesday, December 17th: Before Mr. G. Boyd, Mr. A. Stace, Alderman W.
Dunk, Dr. W.W. Nuttall, and Col. P. Broome-Giles.
Ernest Alfred Clarke, Folkestone, was charged with fraudulently
converting to his own use the sum of 9s., of which he was the trustee.
Police Sergeant Styles said that at 4.50 on the previous afternoon he
was in the Police Office when the prisoner came and said that he wished
to give himself up for embezzling funds belonging to the Red Cow public
house share-out club, of which he had been acting as Secretary. Witness
asked prisoner if he were serious, and he replied “Yes”. They had
further conversation. Witness remained in the office until the arrival
of Inspector Johnson.
Mr. William Henry Collar, the licensee of the Red Cow Inn, said that
they had a thrift club at his house, which was called “The Red Cow
Share-Out Club”. The Secretary of the club was prisoner, and he
(witness) was Treasurer. The members attended at his house between the
hours of 7 and 8.30 every Tuesday evening for the purpose of paying in
their contributions, which ranged from threepence upwards. Each member
had a card. The contributions were paid direct to prisoner, whose duty
it was to enter the amount received on the card and return the card to
the paying member. Defendant also kept the Secretary's account book
(produced), and it was his duty to enter into that, at the time of
receipt, all sums received. On the 15th April last witness paid prisoner
10s., and he entered the receipt on his card. He referred to the
Secretary's account and found that the amount entered there was 1s.
only. At the close of the weekly meetings it was prisoner's duty to pay
over to him, as Treasurer, the money received by him from the members,
for which he gave him a receipt from the counterfoil receipt book
(produced). He referred to the receipt book, and on reference to receipt
and counterfoil No. 15 found that he received from defendant at the
close of the meeting on the 15th of April £5 2s., for which he gave him
the receipt produced, entering the amount received on the counterfoil.
When he received those amounts he did not check the amount he received
with the amount appearing in the Secretary's book. On the previous
afternoon defendant attended at his house by appointment, for the
purpose of getting the money ready for distribution to the members at
the annual share-out. Prisoner brought with him the Secretary's book,
the receipts (produced) for the year's payments to witness, and a box
containing some numbered envelopes, bearing the names of the members of
the club, most of the members' cards, some of which had not been brought
in, and the amount paid in by each member in prisoner's handwriting. The
money that he (witness) received from defendant was paid by him into a
deposit account with Messrs. Leney and Company, his brewers, who allowed
him five percent interest. He had received from Messrs. Leney a cheque
for £291 2s. 3d., representing the year's payments. He had in hand the
sum of £27 13s. 4d., representing the last two or three weeks'
contributions from the members, which was not deposited with the
brewers. He (witness) cashed the cheque ready for the share-out, and the
prisoner counted the money to see that it was correct. Accused then
turned round and said “I shall have to ask you to assist me”. He said
“What for? Are you behind in your accounts?” Prisoner said “Yes”. He
asked prisoner “How much are you behind?”, and he said “£88”. Witness
replied “You will get no £88 out of me. The best thing you can do is go
to the police station and give yourself up”. Prisoner said that was what
he would do, and then defendant left the house.
Inspector R. Bourne said that in the absence of the Chief Constable he
asked for a remand in custody until Tuesday.
Mr. Boyd asked if Mr. Collar ever saw the prisoner's book.
Witness: It is no business of mine.
Mr. Boyd remarked that he would have thought witness would have looked
through the book, and then asked if the Club's Committee ever attended.
Mr. Collar replied that it was very seldom that they had a Committee
meeting.
Mr. Boyd: All the more reason why you as Treasurer should attend and see
to it.
The Magistrates' Clerk (to prisoner): Do you apply for bail?
Defendant said that he had no money, but would like to apply for bail.
Inspector Bourne stated that he was instructed to oppose bail.
The Chairman said that the Bench had decided to allow prisoner bail,
himself in £25, and two sureties of £25 each, or one in £50, subject to
the approval of the police.
Prisoner would be remanded until Monday.
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Folkestone Express 27 December 1924.
Monday, December 22nd: Before Mr. G. Boyd, Alderman Dunk, and Dr. W.W.
Nuttall.
Ernest Alfred Clarke, Folkestone, and Secretary of the Red Cow Inn
share-out club, was charged on remand with fraudulently converting to
his own use monies received by him on behalf of the share-out club.
The Clerk (Mr. J. Andrew) said that since the last hearing the Chief
Constable and himself had had the opportunity of going into the case,
and the prisoner was now charged with receiving on the 15th April, and
on two subsequent days the amounts of £7 3s. on the first, £8 4s. 9d. on
the second, and £6 18s. on the third, and he was charged with converting
to his own use parts of these amounts, on the first £2 1s., on the
second £2 16s. 9d., and on the third £1 12s.
After the evidence of Mr. W.H. Collar, the licensee of the Red Cow Inn,
had been read over, he stated he had, since the last hearing, examined
the Secretary's book, containing entries in the prisoner's handwriting
of the sums he admitted receiving from the members of the club on the
members' weekly nights. He referred to the book containing the amounts
for the 15th April, the date on which he personally paid the prisoner
10s., his own contribution. On that date he received £5 2s. from the
prisoner at the close of the meeting, for which he gave him the receipt
produced, taken from the cash receipt book. The prisoner signed the
corresponding counterfoil. He had checked the amounts appearing in the
Secretary's book on that date, as contributions received by prisoner
from the members, amounting to £7 3s. He had never received from
prisoner the deficiency of £2 1s. On the 24th June he received £5 8s.
from Clarke, for which he gave a receipt, prisoner signing the
counterfoil. He had checked the amount received in the Secretary's book,
which was £8 4s. 9d., and he had not received from Clarke the deficiency
of £2 16s. 9d. On the 25th November he received from Clarke £5 6s., for
which he gave a receipt, prisoner signing the counterfoil. The
Secretary's book showed that prisoner received £6 18s., and he had not
received from Clarke the deficiency of £1 12s. He had checked prisoner's
account book of contributions received by him from the 1st January to
the 9th December, and the total amount prisoner received was £396 4s.
3d. In the same period he received from Clarke £315 13s. 9d., showing a
deficiency of £80 10s. 6d. There were 190 members of the club. Since the
last hearing he had examined the whole of the members' cards, and
prepared a statement, showing the entries in Clarke's handwriting, and
it showed a receipt by the prisoner of £406 1s. from the 1st January to
the 9th December. He (Mr. Collar) had recompensed the members for their
loss. Prisoner had been Secretary of the club for over seven years.
Det. Insp. Johnson said he received the prisoner in custody on the
evening of the 16th inst., and told him he would be charged with
stealing, on the 15th April, 1924, the sum of 9s., the property of
William Henry Collar. He cautioned him, and he made no reply. That
morning he formally charged him with fraudulently converting to his own
use three sums of £2 1s., £2 16s. 9d., and £1 12s., part of larger sums
received by him for the use of the members of the Red Cow Share-Out
Club, on the 15th April and two subsequent dates. He cautioned him, and
he replied “All right”.
Prisoner said he did not wish to say anything.
The Chairman said the Magistrates had no alternative but to commit
prisoner for trial at the Assizes. It was not a case they could deal
with, or the Recorder could deal with. Bail would be granted in one
surety of £25 and prisoner in £25.
The Assizes will probably be held in February.
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Folkestone Herald 27 December 1924.
Monday, December 22nd: Before Mr. G. Boyd, Alderman Dunk, and Dr. W.W.
Nuttall.
Ernest Alfred Clarke was charged on remand with fraudulently converting
to his own use money belonging to the Red Cow share-out club.
The Clerk (Mr. J. Andrew) stated that the charge against prisoner was
now that he received on April 15th, and on two dates subsequently £7
3s., £8 4s. 9d., and £6 18s., and he was charged with fraudulently
converting to his own use part of these amounts, on the first date £2
1s., on the second £2 16s. 9d., and on the third £1 12s.
The evidence given at the last hearing having been read over, Mr. W.H.
Collar, said he had examined the Secretary's book, containing entries in
the prisoner's handwriting of the sums he admitted to have received from
the members of the share-out club on the members' weekly nights. He
referred to the book containing the amounts for the 15th of April, the
date on which he personally paid the prisoner 10s.as his own
contribution. On that occasion he received from prisoner £5 2s., for
which he gave him the receipt (produced), taken from the cash receipt
book. Prisoner signed the corresponding counterfoil. Witness had checked
the amount appearing in the Secretary's book from the members amounting
to £7 3s. He never received from prisoner the deficiency of £2 1s.
Witness next referred to the account of June 24th, when he received £5
8s. at the close of the meeting from prisoner. He gave prisoner a
receipt for that, taken from the counterfoil receipt book. The prisoner
signed the corresponding counterfoil. He had checked the amount
appearing in the Secretary's book on that date as contributions received
by him from the members, amounting to £8 4s. 9d. Witness had never
received from prisoner the deficiency of £2 16s. 9d. Mr. Collar also
referred to the account for the 25th of November, on which date he
received from defendant the sum of £5 6s., for which he gave him a
receipt (produced), taken from the counterfoil receipt book. Prisoner
signed the corresponding counterfoil. He had checked the amounts
appearing in the Secretary's account book on that date as contributions
received by him from members, amounting to £6 18s. Witness had never
received from him the deficiency of £1 12s. He had checked prisoner's
account book of contributions received by him from the 1st of January
last to December 9th. The total amount received by prisoner was £396 4s.
3d. In the same period witness received from prisoner £315 13s. 9d.,
which showed a deficiency of £80 10s. 6d. There were 119 members of the
share-out club. He had since the last hearing examined the whole of the
members' cards, and prepared a statement (produced), showing the entries
in Clarke's handwriting. The statement showed a receipt by the prisoner
of £406 1s. in the period stated. He had recompensed the members for
their loss. Prisoner had been Secretary of the club for over seven
years.
Prisoner said he did not wish to ask the witness any questions.
Detective Inspector Johnson stated that he received prisoner into
custody on the 16th of December, and told him he would be charged with
stealing, on April 15th, 1924, the sum of 9s., the property of William
Henry Collar. He cautioned prisoner, who made no reply. That morning he
formally charged prisoner with fraudulently converting to his own use
three sums of £2 1s., £2 16s. 9d., and £1 12s., part of larger sums
received by him for the use of the members of the Red Cow Share-Out
Club, on the 15th April and two subsequent dates. He cautioned accused,
who replied “All right”.
Defendant said that he did not wish to say anything.
The Chairman said that they had no alternative but to commit prisoner
for trial at the Kent Assizes. It was not a case they could deal with,
and it could not be dealt with by the Recorder. Bail would be allowed in
one surety of £25 and himself in £25, with twenty four hours' notice to
the police.
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Folkestone Express 28 February 1925.
Local News.
At the Kent Assizes at Maidstone on Saturday, before Mr. Justice Finlay,
Ernest Alfred Clarke, 51, chauffeur, was indicted for fraudulently
converting to his own use and benefit various sums of money entrusted to
him by members of the Red Cow Share-Out Club, at Folkestone.
Mr. Wardley (instructed by Mr. A.F. Kidson) prosecuted, and briefly
outlined the facts, and said that the sum concerned was about £28. When
share out time came, the prisoner found that he was short, and gave
himself up to the police.
Mr. Waddy, in mitigation, said that the prisoner had a perfectly good
character up to the time of this offence. He had been the Secretary of
the club for seven years. At the time of the offence he was employed by
a doctor as chauffeur, and had been for a period of fourteen years, and
part of his punishment was that he had lost that employment. The
explanation he gave why he committed the offence was that his wages were
35s. a week, and while he had no complaint about his wages he had a wife
and eight children to keep, and his rent was 10s. a week, and so it was
very easy for the man to be financially embarrassed, and to get into
difficulties. Five of the children were at school. He was tempted, and
he took the money. He had been in prison for nine weeks, and he asked
that His Lordship might make that the most substantial part of his
punishment.
His Lordship said that the prisoner was in a position of trust, and it
was most unhappy that he had proved himself unworthy of that trust. He
had attended carefully to what his counsel had said, and he could see
real circumstances of mitigation in this case. It was a most deplorable
thing that he had lost his good character, and also that the temptation
was real and strong. He felt the punishment, which he was bound to
inflict, was but part of what he would have to bear. Taking all the
circumstances into account, and that he had been in prison for some
time, he would only send him to prison for a short time – two months in
the second division.
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Folkestone Herald 28 February 1925
Local News.
At the Kent Winter Assizes at Maidstone, before Mr. Justice Finlay, on
Wednesday afternoon, Ernest Alfred Clarke, aged 51, described as a
chauffeur, pleaded Guilty to an indictment against him that he, having
been entrusted by the members of the Red Cow Share-Out Club with three
several sums of £7 13/-, £8 4/9, and £6 18/- for a certain purpose, and
having received the same for and on behalf of the members, fraudulently
converted three sums of £2 1/-, £2 16/9, and £1 12/-, part thereof, to
his own use and benefit, at Folkestone, on April 15th, 1924.
Mr. W.A. Wardley prosecuted, and Mr. Waddy appeared for the accused.
The prisoner was given a good character. It was said that he was well
known in Folkestone, that he had been employed as a coachman, and more
recently as a chauffeur. When the share out time came he admitted that
he was short, and went and gave himself up to the police.
Mr. Waddy saiud Clarke had been Secretary of the Red Cow Club for seven
years. At the time of the offence he was employed as a chauffeur to a
local doctor, and had been so employed for fourteen years. Part of his
punishment was losing that employment. His wages were 35/- a week, and
he had a wife and eight children to keep. The man paid 10/- a week rent,
so it was very easy for him to be financially embarrassed, and be in
difficulties. He was tempted and took the money. He had been in prison
nine weeks, and Counsel asked His Lordship to make that the more
substantial part of his sentence.
Mr. Justice Finlay said he could see there were real circumstances of
mitigation, and also that the temptation was real and strong. Taking all
the circumstances of the case into consideration, although bound to send
Clarke to prison, it would only be for a short time. His Lordship passed
sentence of two months imprisonment in the second division.
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Folkestone Express 12 October 1929.
Local News.
A special transfer sessions was held at the Folkestone Police Court on
Wednesday, when transfers in connection with several well-known licensed
houses were made.
Protection order was granted as follows: The Red Cow Inn, Foord Road, to
Mr. McIlveen from the late Mr. W.H. Collar.
Note: No record of McIlveen in More Bastions. Date is at variance with
More Bastions.
Obituary.
The death occurred with painful suddenness on Tuesday of Mr. William
Henry Collar, the well-known licensee of the Red Cow, Foord Road,
Folkestone. He got up as usual in the morning and was just going to
partake of his breakfast when he had a heart attack and died within an
hour.
The deceased, who was 61 years of age, was a native of Whitstable, and
came to live at Folkestone when he was a boy. He had been a licensed
victualler for 30 years, but before entering the licensed trade he was
employed by the Folkestone Corporation and was also a member of the Fire
Brigade.
His first licensed house was the Royal Oak, North Street, which he
occupied for 18 years. In 1916 he took over the licence of the Red Cow,
which he held up to the time of his death. During the time he was a
licensed victualler he made numerous friends and was associated with
several public bodies. He was formerly a member of the committee of the
Folkestone Licensed Victuallers' Association, and he held a similar
office in connection with the North and East Ward Conservative
Association. Though he did not hold any office, he was still a member of
those organisations up to his death.
Mr. Collar, it will be recalled, was injured in the big air raid on May
25th, 1917, on Folkestone. He was standing at the entrance to the Red
Cow when a bomb exploded in a nearby coal yard. A piece of the missile
hit Mr. Collar on the leg, and he was laid up for some time afterwards.
His wife died nine years ago. He leaves a son, Mr. W.H. Collar, and a
daughter, Mrs. McIlveen, to whom the greatest sympathy has been
extended.
The funeral takes place this (Friday) afternoon at the Folkestone
Cemetery.
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Folkestone Herald 12 October 1929.
Local News.
The transfer of several licences was approved by the Folkestone
Magistrates at the Folkestone transfer sessions on Wednesday. Mr. Arthur
Macilbean was granted a protection order in respect of the licence of
the Red Cow, formerly held by the late Mr. Harry William Collar.
Notes: No record of Macilbean in More Bastions. Date is also at variance
with More Bastions.
Obituary.
We regret to announce the death, on Tuesday, of Mr. William Henry
Collar, licensee of the Red Cow Inn, Black Bull Road.
Deceased, who was in his 62nd year, had been landlord of the Red Cow for
13 years. He had previously held the licence of the Royal Oak, North
Street, for a considerable period.
The late Mr. Collar, who was a native of Whitstable, was at one time in
the employ of the Folkestone Corporation.
Much sympathy will be felt for his son and daughter.
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Folkestone Express 19 October 1929.
Local News.
The funeral took place in Folkestone Cemetery on Friday afternoon of Mr.
William Henry Collar, the well-known licensee of the Red Cow, Foord
Road, Folkestone, whose death the previous Tuesday was reported in our
last issue.
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Folkestone Express 11 January 1930.
Local News.
The Magistrates granted protection orders to Mr. William Henry Albert
Best, of Canterbury, who was taking over the George the Third, in Great
Fenchurch Street, and to Mr. Henry William Cork, who leaves the latter
house to go to the Red Cow, Foord Road.
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Folkestone Herald 21 June 1930.
Felix.
This is a thoroughly up-to-date age, and nearly everything tends to
prove it. At Foord (once the village of Ford, owing to the vicinity of
an open stream) there stands one of Folkestone's oldest – if not the
oldest – hostelries. The interior of the building with its heavy oak
beams, its winding narrow passages and wooden corkscrew staircase
proclaim this fact. The old inn has been painted up and presents quite a
smart appearance. Over the front of the entrance hangs a nicely painted
signboard. In large lettering there appear these words; “The Red Cow”,
whilst directly underneath is a pictorial representation of an elephant
– tusks, trunk and all. Below this is the one word, Fremlin. “That is
the strangest cow I have ever seen” remarked an excursionist when
viewing the pictorial representation on Saturday. This is taking a long
glance. At a closer inspection one can read “Fremlin's ales and stout
are the best”. The elephant is the trademark of the firm. But taking a
rapid and distant glance one cannot fail to indulge in a smile at the
large words “Red Cow” with a big tusker underneath. Mr. H. Cork owns the
“Cow” (not the elephant), and it may be this is the particular milker of
which the poet sings so touchingly:- “If I had a cow that gave such
milk, I'd clothe her in the finest silk, Feed her on the finest hay, And
milk her forty times a day”.
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Folkestone Express 24 March 1934.
Local News.
Four silver cups, awarded by the United Friendly Societies (Folkestone)
Royal Victoria Hospital Saturday and Sunday Fund to the licensed houses
collecting the highest amount of money in the town during the year, were
presented on Monday evening.
The principal award went to Mr. T.I. Jordan, of the Richmond Tavern, who
collected £16 15s. towards the fund. The second prize was gained by Mrs.
E.A. Summerfield, of the Royal Standard, collecting £8 6s. 8d; third
place by Mr. S. Herbert, of the Swan, with £4 7s. 6d.; and finally Mr.
H.W. Cork, of the Red Cow, who collected £3 12s. 8d. Messrs. B. Todd, S.
Burvill, G. Spicer, and Mr. G. Dunkling, who superintended the
collecting at the respective houses, were the recipients of presents of
cigarettes.
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Folkestone Express 25 November 1939
Local News.
The Folkestone licensing transfer sessions were held at the Police Court
on Wednesday. The Mayor (Alderman G.A. Gurr) was in the chair and also
sitting were Councillor R.G. Wood, Dr. F. Wolverson and Alderman Mrs. E.
Gore.
Henry Cork, licensee of the Red Cow, Foord Road, made application for a
licence for music by wireless installation.
The Magistrates’ Clerk (Mr. C. Rootes) said a number of licence holders
had music licences which were restricted to wireless.
The Chief Constable (Mr. A.S. Beesley) said there was no objection.
The Chairman: I expect you find it in demand for the news.
Mr. Cork: Chiefly for the news at one and nine.
The application was granted.
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Folkestone Herald 31 May 1941.
Local News.
An 18 years’ old member of the Home Guard was fatally wounded as the
result of a street incident on Friday night last week. The tragedy
occurred in Pavilion Road shortly before 11 p.m. Archibald Frank Voller,
manager of his father’s newsagent’s shop in that road, had been in
conversation with another man when he collapsed from a bayonet wound.
Voller, who had been on Home Guard duty and was in uniform, had just
before withdrawn his bayonet from its scabbard. He was removed to the
Royal Victoria Hospital, where he died shortly after admission.
Christopher George Watson, a 41 years' old unemployed cycle engineer,
living next door to Voiler, appeared before the local Magistrates on
Monday on a charge of manslaughter. He was acquitted.
At the inquest on Wednesday, a jury returned a verdict of accidental
death.
Police Court Proceedings.
A charge of manslaughter in connection with Voller's death was preferred
against Christopher George Watson, (41), of Pavilion Road, Folkestone,
and he appeared before the Folkestone Magistrates on Monday.
The Mayor presided, with Alderman R.G. Wood and Mr. Percy Fuller.
Watson was charged that on May 23rd at Folkestone he unlawfully stabbed
Voller, through which injuries he died on May 24th, and it was alleged
he thereby killed him.
To Watson the Magistrates' Clerk said “You are not represented anybody?”
to which defendant said that that was so but he might be at a further
hearing.
Det. Sergt. Bates said at 2 a.m. on Saturday, May 24th, he went to 56,
Pavilion Road. He knocked at the door and it was answered by Watson.
He told Watson that he was a police officer and informed him that
Archibald Frank Voller, who had been injured as the result of a bayonet
wound late the previous evening, had died. As a result he (Watson) would
be taken into custody. After being cautioned Watson replied “Oh, no, no,
but I think it was his own fault”. He brought defendant to the police
station and on arrival he said “We had a scuffle, he drew his bayonet at
me and I went for him and grabbed him by the wrist and took it away. He
must have fallen on it”. Watson then pointed to his own jacket, which
was torn right side, and said "'This was done in the scuffle".
Defendant’s breath smelt of port wine, but he was not drunk. At 7 p.m.
on Saturday he charged Watson with the offence. He was again cautioned
and he replied “Well, I say I never stabbed him; it was done in a
scuffle”. After bringing Watson to the police station witness went to
accused's house. Outside, on the pavement, and in the front porch of the
house he saw a number of spots of blood. In the back room, in the
kitchen occupied by the defendant, he found several pieces of cotton
wool saturated with blood; also a bloodstained face flannel which was on
the table ip class="address"the kitchen. In the bedroom, in the front of the house, on
the dressing table, he saw a number of bottles. There was a full pint
bottle of Cockspur white wine and a pint bottle of Mercury white wine
half full: one quart and four pint bottles which had contained wine were
empty. Witness later went to the Royal Victoria Hospital and took
possession of deceased’s clothing, consisting of a battle dress jacket
and trousers, two woollen pullovers and a shirt. On examining them he
found a tear in each garment on the right side, above the waist line. He
took possession of the rifle and bayonet produced. Three inches above
the point of the bayonet were bloodstains.
At this stage the hearing was adjourned until the following day.
After hearing further evidence on Tuesday, the Magistrates discharged
Watson on a charge of manslaughter, it being stated that the evidence of
what happened during the scuffle was not sufficient to justify
defendant's committal for trial.
Ronald H. Fisher, of 67, Guildhall Street, a milk roundsman and a member
of the Home Guard, said he knew Voller, also a member of the Home Guard,
having been friendly with him for about 11 months. He attended a parade
with him at 8 p.m. on Friday last. They paraded in uniform with rifle,
bayonet and ammunition. They came away from the parade at 9.30 p.m. and
went to Red Cow public house, Foord Road. They remained there until
10.30. During that time Voller had two pints of ale and beer mixed. On
leaving Voller went in the direction of Black Bull Road and witness went
up Ship Street.
The Clerk: When Voller went away and left you was he in ordinary
condition?
Witness: Yes, perfect.
Perfectly sober? - Yes.
Defendant: When you came into the shop just before tea-time that evening
there was a young lady in the shop, wasn’t there?
Witness: Yes.
Answering further questions, witness said there appeared to be no sign
of jealousy on the part of Voller while he was in the shop. He (Fisher)
agreed that he said he was in a hurry and flourished his bayonet in the
shop.
Dennis Harold Boss, 25, Pavilion Road, a baker's assistant, said on
Friday night about 10.40 he was going along Pavilion Road. He knew
Voller and saw him outside his house. He was dressed in Home Guard
uniform and he was talking to Watson. At the time witness was on the
other side and before he crossed the road Voller said “Halt, who goes
there?” the challenge being addressed to witness, who then crossed the
road.
Voller had a rifle slung over his right shoulder, and on his left hand
side he was carrying a bayonet in a sheath. Deceased left Watson, and
witness and Voller walked about halfway to witness’s house. Voller then
said “Cheerio”, turned and went back. It was rather dark at the time,
but he could see across the road; not well enough, however, to recognise
a person on the other side.
Frederick Charles Curtis, 110. Foord Road, a builder s labourer, said on
Friday night he went to defendant’s home at 9 p.m. They talked about 20
minutes and he then left the house to get Watson a bottle of Cockspur
wine. Witness returned to defendant's house about 10.20. After having a
glass of wine with Watson he left again. After leaving the house they
stood outside talking on the pavement. As they were talking a young man
in uniform (Voller) came along. He stopped in front of defendant and
they were speaking a lot, but witness did not take any notice of what
they were saying. He did hear Watson say “Your papers have come”. He
also heard defendant say “I could hit you like this (making a sweep with
his arm) and knock you to Ashford’’, adding “Of course I am only talking
silly”. Witness took this for a joke. He thought by the way Voller spoke
he had had a drink or two. Voller came back after accompanying the
previous witness (Boss) along the road some distance. Watson said
something about it being a nice rifle Voller had. There was some talk
about papers and Watson gave deceased money for papers. A little later
Voller put one foot on the pavement and drew his bayonet. Voller then
tried to pierce Watson with the bayonet several times, saying “This has
a nice sharp point”, or something like that. Voller appeared to be
serious. Watson dodged back and said “You better put that away, it's
very dangerous". There was a sort of scuffle, Watson closing to take the
bayonet away. He thought he did take it away. Witness was about 6ft.
away and he could not see him take it. Voller fell to the ground as
though wounded. Witness said to defendant “Surely you haven’t done
anything to him'’, and Watson said “Surely, no”. Watson beckoned to him
to help. Defendant undid Voller’s tunic and he saw Watson put the
bayonet back into its sheath. That was the first time he knew defendant
had the bayonet. They took Voller in defendant's house. Inside the house
Watson got some wadding and placed it on the wound. Defendant also told
him to get a doctor or an ambulance. Witness went to the A.R.P. depot
outside the hospital, saw Mr. Nash there, and returned with him to the
house.
The Clerk: How did the scuffle begin?
Witness: Voller was challenging defendant with the bayonet. Watson
dodged out of the way.
Answering further questions, witness said defendant was trying to take
the bayonet away. Up to then he thought Voller was only playing about.
Watson went to him to try to take the bayonet away. Later he saw the
bayonet lying on the pavement. There were two distinct scuffles.
The Mayor: What was your condition? You don't seem to have had a very
clear idea of what happened. What was the argument just before this
happened – the argument which caused this man to draw his bayonet?
Witness: I don't know.
The Mayor: People don't draw bayonets for nothing.
The Clerk (to Curtis): You don't give one the impression that you are
trying to tell the Magistrates all that happened. That is all they want
to know. Where was the rifle after deceased had fallen?
Curtis: I believe it dropped off his shoulder. I am not sure.
The Clerk (to Curtis): I have been bound to press you a little about
this because it does not sound as though you are trying to help the
Magistrates as to what happened.
The Magistrates retired at this point and on their return the Clerk said
this was the only evidence that could be given as to what happened. That
being so the Magistrates were not satisfied that they could commit
defendant for trial on the evidence. The defendant would therefore be
discharged.
Inquest.
The Folkestone Coroner (Mr. B.H. Bonniface) opened an inquest on Voller
at the Town Hall 6n Monday afternoon. Mr. Bonniface, who sat with a
jury, said he had been informed that a man had been charged with
manslaughter. That being so it was only necessary for them that day to
hear evidence of identification and as to the cause of death. Then he
proposed with their approval to adjourn the inquest until Wednesday by
which time he understood the Magistrates would have investigated the
charge of manslaughter and would have taken some course or another. It
might be that when the enquiry was resumed they would only be kept a few
moments and after that they might not be called again.
Mr. G. P. Medlicott watched the proceedings on behalf of deceased's
father, who was the first witness.
Frank William Voller, of Sea-light, Lydd-on-Sea, a newsagent, father of
the deceased, gave evidence of identification. He added that his son
managed his newsagents' business at 58, Pavilion Road, and was a member
of the Home Guard.
Mr. Raymond A. Hill, house surgeon at the Royal .Victoria Hospital, said
Voller was brought to the hospital at 11.20 p.m. on Friday. At the time
he was collapsed and semi-conscious. On first examination deceased
appeared to be moribund from haemorrhage resulting from a stabbed wound
of the abdomen. He was placed in an electrically healed bed and a blood
transfusion was given. He made no recovery and died at 12.30 a.m. on
Saturday. The cause of death was haemorrhage due to a perforating wound
of the liver.
The Coroner: Had deceased-been attending the hospital at all?
Witness: I had seen him on two occasions, on May 16th and. May 23rd as
an out patient. He had a strain of his right knee.
The Coroner: In any sort of struggle might that knee have affected him?
Witness: I don't think so; he had practically recovered from it.
The inquest was at this stage adjourned until Wednesday.
A verdict of accidental death was returned by the jury at the adjourned
inquest on Wednesday afternoon at the Town Hall.
New evidence, including a statement Watson had made to a police officer,
was given during the proceedings, at the beginning of which the Coroner
informed the Jury that a man (Watson), charged with the manslaughter of
Voller, had been discharged by the Magistrates. That being so, he added,
he proposed to continue the inquest and call all the witnesses before
them.
Dennis H. Boss, who gave evidence at the police court, said he saw
Watson and Voller talking together in a friendly way in Pavilion Road
about 10.40 on Friday night. Voller's breath smelt of alcohol but he was
sober.
Frederick Charles Curtis, the next witness, described, as he had at the
police court, what he saw. “After pulling out his bayonet”, witness
said, Voller said “There’s a nice point” and added “I will put this
through you”. He then made several lunges at Watson with the bayonet.
Watson jumped out of the way and said "Put that thing away, it’s a very
dangerous thing to have’’. Then there was a scuffle and he saw Voller
fall.
The Coroner: Did you see the bayonet when deceased fell? - No.
Witness said to Watson "Surely you haven’t done anything to the chap”
and Watson spoke to deceased but witness could not say what he said. At
no time did he see Watson with the bayonet in his hand.
After they had carried the man into the house Voller said “Have I been
pricked?” or something like that. Deceased never accused Watson of
stabbing him with the bayonet. Watson sent witness for a doctor and
ambulance. When he saw Voller draw the bayonet it appeared to him that
deceased was serious.
Albert Ernest Nash, 34, Bolton Road, Deputy Commandant A.R.P. Mobile
Unit adjoining the hospital, said Curtis came to them about 11 p.m. and
stated that a soldier had been stabbed in Pavilion Road.
Witness went to 56, Pavilion Road and saw deceased lying on the floor of
a room. He was conveyed to the hospital.
Inspector C. Haestie said he went to Watson's house about 11.50 p.m. On
seeing witness Watson said “I thought someone would be along”. Witness
said “Do you know anything of a man being stabbed near here this
evening?" Watson replied “Yes I will tell you what happened”.He
cautioned Watson, who then said that at about 10.45 p.m. he was standing
outside his house talking to Curtis. The statement went on: “I saw
Archie Voller, who lives next door at No. 58, coming along Pavilion Road
from the direction of Black Bull Road. He was dressed in Home Guard
uniform and had a rifle slung over his shoulder. As he came by us we
entered into conversation. I noticed he had been drinking; he was
unsteady on his feet and was excited. As we were talking a youth went by
who I believe is named Boss, who lives nearby. Voller went over and
spoke to him for a couple of minutes and then returned to us. When he
came back he drew his bayonet from the scabbard on his belt and said
“See this. I’ll stick it through you”. He then lunged at me with the
bayonet and tore my jacket about one and a half inches. I told him I
would take it from him and closed with him and took the bayonet from
him. Before he lunged at me he said he had five rounds in his rifle. As
soon as I had taken the bayonet from him he fell towards me. I had the
bayonet in my left hand which was pulled back. The bayonet pierced him
in the stomach and he collapsed. I then realised he had fallen on the
bayonet. He said “It's my fault for sparring about”. I sent Curtis to
get assistance. At the time this occurred it was getting dusk. There was
no quarrel between Voller and me. It was an accident and entirely his
own fault”.
The Coroner: Was Watson perfectly sober?
Witness: Yes.
Did you see a rifle and bayonet there? – Yes, on the floor in the room.
Witness said he examined the bayonet and about three inches from the
point he found traces of blood.
Miss Beatrice M. Adams, a nurse at the Royal Victoria Hospital, said she
was on duty when deceased was admitted at 11.20 p.m. While deceased was
in the out-patients' department she asked him how it happened. His
condition was very, very poor, but he replied “We were playing about”.
Just before midnight a police officer visited him in the ward and asked
Voller if it was an accident and he replied “Yes, I think so”. The
constable then asked him who did it and he replied “Watson”.
The Coroner then called Watson, who reminded him of the statement he had
made to Inspector Haestie.
Watson was then sworn. He stated he was a cycle engineer at present
unemployed. There was nothing he wished to add to the statement he made
to Inspector Haestie.
“Would you like to tell me whether you had a quarrel that night?”, said
the Coroner.
“There was no quarrel. Mr. Voller was getting high pitched”, replied
Watson. "There were just a few words in regard to papers. I told him his
papers had come and he said “Never mind about them”.
The Coroner: You had no intent ion of hurting him in any way? - No. sir.
The Coroner: Is it correct what has been said to all intents and
purposes that it was an entire accident?
Watson: Yes, a complete accident.
The Coroner, addressing the jury, said as he had told them Watson
appeared before the Magistrates and the charge of manslaughter was
dismissed. It was therefore not for them to consider the question of
manslaughter any further, the man having been acquitted.
Without retiring, the jury, after a brief deliberation, found that
deceased met his death accidentally.
Mr. Voller was born at Willesborough, near Ashford, and was the eldest
son of Mr. and Mrs. F.W. Voller, of Lydd-on-Sea. Educated at
Willesborough Schools he was captain of the soccer side and afterwards
played for Willesborough Old Boys. He came to Folkestone about two years
ago to manage his father’s newsagent’s business. He joined the Home
Guard when it was formed last year and had been a most enthusiastic and
keen member. A member of St. John’s Church, he was on the committee of
the tennis club associated with the Church.
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Folkestone Herald 11 April 1942.
Local News.
Folkestone Magistrates on Tuesday granted a protection order to Mr. John
A. Miles, of Dover, who is taking over from Mr. Henry Cork the licence
of the Red Cow Inn. Mr. Miles, it was stated, had been for a number of
years the licensee of a house which was blitzed last autumn.
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Folkestone Herald 25 April 1942.
Local News.
At a Transfer Sessions, held at the Folkestone Police Court on
Wednesday, several licences were dealt with.
Alderman R.G. Wood presided with Alderman J.W. Stainer.
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Folkestone Herald 21 November 1942.
Local News.
The funeral of Mr. J.A. Miles, of the Red Cow inn, Foord Road,
Folkestone, took place at Hawkinge on Tuesday. The Rev. A.L. Lawler,
Priest-in-charge of St. Johns, officiated at a service at St. John's
church previous to the interment.
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Folkestone Herald 9 January 1943.
Local News.
At a licensing transfer sessions at the Town Hall, Folkestone, on
Wednesday, the licence of the Red Cow, Foord Road, was transferred from
the late Mr. John Arthur Miles to his widow.
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Folkestone Gazette 22 November 1961.
Local News.
Further help for the British Empire Cancer Campaign has come from two
Folkestone public houses during the past week. Piles of pennies were
toppled over at The Red Cow and The Lifeboat, North Street. Total for
the Red Cow was £10 14/11 and for the Lifeboat £22 4/1. The local
committee of the British Empire Cancer Campaign thank all who
contributed to such excellent results.
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Folkestone Herald 12 May 1979.
Local News.
Children at Parkfield Special School, Folkestone, have been presented
with a stereo cassette and a record player by a local pub. Mr. and Mrs.
Geoffrey Biggs, landlord and landlady of the Red Cow, Foord Road,
Folkestone, and their customers, raised nearly £150 through various
events in the past year. The cassette and record player were presented
to the school by the pub’s darts team at the East Cliff Pavilion,
Folkestone. The children use the equipment every morning during play
sessions and at other times during the day.
“The record players we have had before have been big and bulky”, teacher
Mrs. Jean Vincent said. “This one is compact and easy to carry about. It
also has a tape recorder for cassettes which we did not have before. I
am teaching one of the boys to use the tape himself to record his
stories”.
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Folkestone Herald 5 February 1982.
Local News.
Burglars broke in through the front door of the Red Cow pub in Foord
Road, Folkestone, last Monday night, and stole a video recorder, 12
video cassettes and £400.
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South Kent Gazette 15 June 1983.
Local News.
The Red Cow pub in Folkestone has a plush new image. A renovation
campaign costing several thousand pounds and lasting six months has
transformed the hostelry.
Landlady Mrs. Joan Biggs told the Gazette “It was just an old spit and
sawdust pub until after Christmas. We are delighted with it”. She and
husband Geoffrey took over the pub 13 years ago and have been pressing
the brewery for renovations for nearly as long. The work has included
knocking the two bars into one and complete re-decoration.
An informal reopening ceremony was performed on Thursday by owner of
Lingfleld Racecourse Mr. Ron Muddle and his wife Joan. Mr. Muddle who is
a former chairman of Folkestone Football Club said he has used the pub
for many years. “The transformation work is terrific and I hope Joan and
Geoff do very well from it”, he said.
Oldest customer Mr. Bill Davies was the first to pull a pint in the
refurbished pub. Mr. Davies, 83, has been a regular in the Red Cow since
he moved to Folkestone in 1928.
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Folkestone Herald 24 June 1983.
Advertising Feature.
Anyone walking into the Red Cow pub in Foord Road after a few months'
absence could be forgiven for wondering if they were in the right place
For what before Christmas was a basic spit 'n' sawdust local has been
transformed into an attractive and elegant hostelry set to compete with
some of the smartest places in town. The original public and saloon bars
have been knocked into one and a special eating area has been set aside.
In fact the whole pub has been modernised and improved, but with the
installation of false beams and the carefully selected decor, the
atmosphere is very much one of bygone days.
Landlord and landlady Geoff and Joan Biggs are delighted as are their
regulars and an ever increasing number of new customers. But for them
the virtual overnight transformation of the Red Cow marks the end of a
long, long wait. Fourteen years ago the couple, who have been in the
licensed trade since 1938, ran the old Foresters Arms in Shellons
Street, Folkestone. It was a thriving business, regularly packed and
serving umpteen lunches every day. But their success was short-lived. A
compulsory purchase order forced them to move and they took over the Red
Cow with high hopes of improving it. They made repeated requests to the
brewery but it was 13 years before they got the go-ahead for their
new-look pub. “People have to pay a lot of money for drinks these days.
It is only right that they get something a little bit special in
return”, says Geoff.
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Folkestone Herald 9 September 1983.
Local News.
A pub landlord has died after a lifetime in the licensed trade. Mr.
Geoffrey Biggs, landlord at the Red Cow in Folkestone's Foord Road, died
in the early hours of last Thursday, apparently from a heart attack. His
death at the age of 63 came as a shock to his wife Joan, son Stephen,
daughter Vicky and many friends. He had been a publican in the town for
nearly 20 years. Mr. Biggs had been landlord at the Red Cow for 15
years. Before taking over he was at the Foresters Arms in Shellons
Street, Folkestone. He and his wife have wanted to improve the Red Cow
since they first moved there and in June their dreams came true when
modernisation work was completed. Well-known in the town, Mr. Biggs was
heavily involved in the darts leagues. A funeral service takes place
today at Hawkinge.
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Folkestone Herald 24 January 1992.
Local News.
Publicans are prepared to lose their jobs and homes rather than sign new
leases they say could double their rents. Half the publicans in Fover
being offered these contracts and two thirds in Shepway are rebelling,
say the local branches of the Licensed Victuallers' Association.
“It's like signing a suicide pact, and I won't do it”, says Rick Abbott,
who runs the Cricketers in River. He added “I have a wife and three
children and we would lose our home, but we would be ruined if I
signed”.
Big breweries, with more than 2,000 pubs in the country, are selling
pubs or offering 20-year leases because the Monopolies and Mergers
Commission is restricting how many they can have.
Alf Bentley, landlord of the Red Lion in Charlton Green, Dover, said
“This is as ill-conceived as the poll tax. What use is a 20-year lease
to me when I am 60? The breweries are also driving out experienced
landlords and replacing them with people who were probably bakers
before”.
Leslie Carpenter, of Carpenter's in The Stade, Folkestone, said “My own
rent will only go up by a third, but I couldn't even manage that. I am
prepared to lose my job rather than accept. It's hard enough to survive
with the recession. We've just lost more customers through the Sealink
redundancies”.
The L.V.A. says the increases would further damage pubs because
landlords would have to put up their prices to try to survive. They say
the cost of a pint is now pushing £2.
Only last week Barry Musk walked out of the pub where he had been a
tenant for four years, the Red Cow, in Foord Road, Folkestone. He now
manages a free house, the Imperial, in Black Bull Road. He said “Signing
would have meant my rent going up from £12,000 a year to £20,000, which
would have ruined me. I was lucky because I found another pub without
that kind of expense”.
All four pubs are owned by Whitbread. A spokesman said the company was
willing to negotiate with landlords if they could not afford new rents.
“The LVA claims that rents will double, but I dispute that. Our own
survey shows that overall rents have increased by just 45 percent”, he
added. Whitbread says Government legislation has been put it and other
brewers in a dilemma. The new Landlord and Tenant Act gives publicans
security of tenure, yet the Monopolies Commission says brewers must get
rid of pubs.
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Folkestone Herald 1 May 1992.
Local News.
A bankruptcy order has been made against Barry and Victoria Musk, of
Alder Road, Folkestone. The couple used to run and live at the Red Cow
Inn, Foord Road, Folkestone. The petition was filed at Canterbury Crown
Court by the Musks, and the Official Receiver has been appointed to
safeguard their assets.
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Folkestone Herald 22 May 1992.
Local News.
We would like to point out that despite a bankruptcy order being made
against Barry and Victoria Musk, who used to run the Red Cow Inn, the
pub itself has not closed. The inn, which is in Foord Road, Folkestone,
has been taken over by Jim and Madeleine Tansey. We would like to
apologise for any misunderstanding our story about the Red Cow in our
May 1 edition may have caused.
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Folkestone Herald 5 August 1993.
Local News.
A man who conned a salesman out of a £90 car, attempted to break into a
pub, and then burgled a house in Folkestone has been jailed for 18
months.
Canterbury Crown Court heard that at the time of the burglary Sxcott
Doherty was wanted on warrant for failing to appear before local
Magistrates. Doherty, 25, from Glasgow, admitted obtaining the Vauxhall
from Peter Kent by deception in March, 1991, attempted burglary at the
Red Cow three months later and burglary at Jointon Road a year later.
Julian Woodbridge, prosecuting, said Doherty used the name Tagford when
he obtained the car for £90 from Mr. Kent at Kent Car Breakers in Dover.
He signed a cheque in the name of Tagford, the cheque having come from a
cheque book stolen in an earlier burglary in Folkestone. In June Doherty
was caught by an off-duty policeman, who spotted Doherty and another man
by the Red Cow at Foord Road early in the morning. Doherty was then
bailed to appear at Folkestone Magistrates' but failed to turn up. In
August, 1992, he broke into a house in Jointon Road and stole property
worth £1,185. He was traced because of his fingerprints, but was not
arrested until January this year.
Cairns Nelson, defending, said his crimes stemmed from heroin addiction,
but since serving a three month sentence in Scotland he had been drug
free.
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Folkestone Herald 14 September 1995.
Local News.
Liverpool soccer fan Steve Gill had a hair-raising ordeal after his side
were beaten by Wimbledon. His head was shaved in front of a cheering
crowd packing the Red Cow pub in Foord Road, Folkestone, on Saturday
night.
Liverpudlian Steve, of Marshall Street, Folkestone, runs the Kent Reds
Liverpool Travel Supporters Club. He was joined by three mates for the
shaves. The brave four had a sponsored “grade one”, leaving a little on
top, to raise hundreds of pounds for Parkfield Special School in
Folkestone and the William Harvey Hospital Cancer Day Care Centre.
Steve, married with two children, was joined by Phil Walker, Shane
England, and Tony Bennett, 23-year-old son of Red Cow landlord,
Liverpudlian Louis Bennett. Hairdresser les Neill did the cuts before
having his own hair cut close. And soon other Red Cow customers were
getting theirs done while a bucket was sent round the pub for more
money.
Steve said afterwards “I'll be wearing a wig for a time!” Raffle prizes
included a football signed by the Liverpool team.
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Folkestone Herald 12 March 1998.
Local News.
Regulars at a Folkestone pub have raised enough money to buy seven vital
communication devices for children with special needs. Customers and
staff at the Red Cow in Foord Road, Folkestone, filled a collection
bottle with £290, and the figure was matched by local firm Breda
Transport. The cash will be used to buy a number of “BIGMacks” for
pupils at the Foxwood School in Seabrook Road. BIGMacks are
saucer-shaped devices which record messages and aid communication. Red
Cow landlord, Louis Bennett, said “We try to do quite a bit for charity
and we like to raise money for local causes. We are only too happy to
help and I am really grateful to all our customers”.
Foxwood head-teacher Chris Soulby said “I can't thank the people at the
Red Cow enough. The children at the school will benefit greatly from
this money, and they, too, will be very grateful”.
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Folkestone Herald 12 August 1999.
Local News.
Veterans of the great Folkestone floods have had their annual
celebration scuppered by licensing laws. Plans to hold the party in the
garden of the Red Cow, Foord Road, were ruined after the pub was told it
could not hold live music outdoors. Organisers refused to hold the bash
indoors because it meant children who suffered through the floods three
years ago would not be allowed in.
Now Louis Bennett, landlord of the pub for three years, said it would be
business as usual on Sunday. He said “We feel this is very petty of the
Council. We can't afford a live music licence because we cannot pay £600
for just one day. This was popular with all the family. Now there will
be no celebration. We cannot hold the event in the pub because we want
children to be able to join in. We were told we would be allowed to hold
a private party, but then people will not be able to come and go as they
please”. The party was to include music and drinks for the adults who
braved the floods, which devastated Foord Road in 1996. For the children
there would have been face-painting and food and drinks in the garden.
In 1996 floods submerged ground floors, cars and roads in central
Folkestone and the harbour after torrential rain.
Council Licensing Officer, John McEwan, said the pub could have up to
two musicians in the pub to celebrate. Or they could hold a private
party. The pub would have had to have applied for an outdoor public
entertainments licence 28 days before the event. He added “I had a
conversation with someone at the pub and explained the options open to
them if they still wanted to hold the event. We have to operate within
the rules”.
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From the Dover Mercury, 29 November 2017. By Sean Axtell
Murder inquiry launched after landlord found dead.
A murder probe has been launched after a well-known pub landlord was
found shot dead, sending shock waves throughout the community.
Tributes have been paid to former Dover man Joe Daniels, who was found
dead at the Red Cow pub in Foord Road, Folkestone, on Wednesday last
week.
Police investigating the 58-year-old’s death are appealing for dashboard
camera footage from motorists who may have been passing the pub - near
the junction of Black Bull Road - between 8am and 11.30am.
Mr Daniel’s grief-stricken partner, Milena Goff, posted on Face-book on
Friday: “My heart is broken.
“Why would anyone want to hurt this beautiful man?
“Our future taken, I have no words for this evil person who has done
this to my beautiful Joe.
“Please, if anyone saw or heard anything, please contact the police.
“Our family is broken.”
Detectives say they had “not ruled out third-party involvement” in Mr
Daniels’ death.
Officers say they found Mr Daniels unresponsive in his pub at 11.30am
with gunshot wounds. A police cordon was put up before
officers announced he had died at the scene.
A firearm was also recovered from the property.
Flowers and a candle have been left outside the pub.
Online tributes have been pouring in to Mr Daniels, describing him as a
“one of a kind”.
One person, believed to be a family member, wrote on our Facebook page:
“Heartbroken to say the least. Thinking of all our family right now.
“Our Joe was your typical Mr Nice Guy. Was loved by all in our
family, and will be sorely missed by each and everyone of us.”
Jo Huntley said: “ Rest in peace Joe. You were one of a kind.” Noelle
Gunton said: “He was a true gent with a wonderful sense of humour and
will be sorely missed.”
Tommy Neill added: “Such sad news, rest in peace big man. “You where a
real gent.
“Many a laugh we had in Harry’s club. God bless, sleep sound friend.”
Mr Daniels is believed to have come from Dover and previously worked for
Eurotunnel before taking over the 17th century bar in Folkestone.
Senior investigating officer Det Ch Insp Richard Vickery said: “We are
continuing to carry out enquiries into the circumstances behind Mr
Daniels’ death and cannot yet rule out any third-party involvement.
“I would strongly encourage anyone who saw or heard anything suspicious
in the area to call the appeal line urgently.” The investigation is
being led by the Kent and Essex Serious Crime Directorate.
Anyone with information is asked to call 01843 222289 quoting reference
22-0452, or Kent Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555111.
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From the Dover Mercury, 6 December 2017.
Driver could have information into landlord’s murder.
White transit seen parked outside pub.
Police are hunting the driver of a white transit-style van in
connection with the murder of a popular pub landlord originally from
Dover.
The vehicle was seen parked outside the Red Cow pub in Foord Road,
Folkestone, where Joe Daniels, 58, was found shot dead on the morning of
Wednesday, November 22.
Joe Daniels, 58, was found shot dead at the Red Cow.
Police issued the new appeal yesterday (Tuesday) as the hunt for Mr
Daniels’ killer continues.
Senior investigating officer detective, Ch Insp Richard Vickery, said:
“There is no suggestion the driver of the van has done anything wrong
but the van was parked there just before the incident happened and we
are hopeful he may have seen or heard something that could aid our
investigation.
“We would like to thank all those people who have called us so far and
provided us with information including dash-cam footage.
“As we continue our inquiries into the circumstances behind Mr Daniels’
death, we would really like to hear from anyone else would may have
information.”
The driver is described as white, heavily built, between 30 and 50 years
old, 5ft 10in tall and having short dark brown hair.
No arrests have yet been made in connection with Mr Daniels’ death.
Murder detectives have already appealed for dashcam footage from
motorists who may have been passing the pub - near the junction of Black
Bull Road - between 8am and 11.30am on November 22.
Officers found Mr Daniels unresponsive in his pub, where a firearm was
recovered, at 11.30am.
A police cordon was put up before officers announced he had died at the
scene.
The 17th century pub remains closed and under police cordon.
Floral tributes and a candle were left outside the pub.
The investigation is being led by the Kent and Essex serious crime
directorate.
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From the
https://www.kentonline.co.uk By Sean Axtell, 6 July 2018.
Red Cow pub reopens after landlord found shot inside.
The "broken-hearted" partner of a landlord shot dead in his pub has told
of her grief after the venue re-opened.
Milena Goff found partner Joe Daniels, 58, unresponsive inside his Red
Cow pub in Foord Road, Folkestone, just before 11.30am on November 22
last year.
Police said he suffered an injury consistent with a gunshot after he was
pronounced dead at the scene, where a firearm was also discovered.
Milena Goff has spoken of her grief over the murder of partner Joe
Daniels.
Ms Goff said: “We are all broken-hearted. I will never be able to erase
the image of finding Joe murdered.
“I will never forget Joe’s humour, he was so funny, he would talk to
anyone, and knowing that he would not want me feeling sad is sometimes
all that keeps me going – he would want me smiling.
“We had some brilliant times at the Red Cow, it was like an extended
family, I’m absolutely devastated.
“I understand the pub needs to make money, it’s a business but it’s very
raw, it feels too early for the pub to reopen, it has added to the
grief.”
Eight months after the Liverpudlian’s death, new landlords Craft Union
Pub Company opened the Red Cow’s doors for business.
The decor has been revamped inside with new flooring and brighter
colours.
The Red Cow pub has re-opened with a new look.
The outside has been brushed up with grey and black paint and a new sign
has been installed on the front.
A spokesman for Craft Union said: “We are delighted to be taking over
the Red Cow, Folkestone which opened on June 29.
“We believe the British pub plays a vital role in the lives of its
customers and our philosophy at Craft Union is to put brilliant pubs
back at the heart of local communities.
“We are committed to nurturing this by investing in the pub by ensuring
that we retain the tradition and the heritage alongside improving the
quality of the community offer.
“As such, we have invested in the garden area which will very much
remain available to the public when we re-open.”
Ms Goff said walking past the pub is a major trigger for grief and the
thought of that Mr Daniels's killer is at large "makes her feel ill".
Joe Daniels was shot dead inside his Red Cow pub in November.
“Unfortunately someone murdered my husband and someone is accountable.
“Knowing someone is still at large makes me feel ill.
“I want to appeal to people to make sure they don’t forget what
happened.
“It needs to be kept in people's memories. Someone out there knows
something about what happened that day.
“I just want someone to come forward and at least myself and Joe’s
family can have some form of closure.”
A police murder probe is ongoing amid appeals for dashcam footage and
witnesses.
Detectives arrested a 23-year-old man from Canterbury earlier this year
and he was released pending further inquiries.
A police spokeswoman said the force had no further updates: “On
Wednesday, January 31, a 23-year-old man from Canterbury was arrested in
connection with the incident and remains under investigation. At this
stage no further arrests have been made, however inquiries remain
ongoing."
Witnesses or anyone with information that has not yet been in touch can
call the appeal line on 01303 289600, quoting reference 22-0453.
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From the
https://www.kentonline.co.uk By Sam Williams, 1 March 2020.
Two men in court following death of Red Cow landlord Joe Daniels, from Folkestone.
Two men have appeared in court charged with firearms offences relating
to the fatal shooting of a pub landlord in Folkestone.
Joe Daniels, 58, was found unresponsive inside the Red Cow pub, in Foord
Road, on Wednesday, November 22, 2017.
He had suffered an injury consistent with a gunshot wound and was
pronounced dead at the scene, where a firearm was also recovered.
Since the incident, detectives have carried out extensive inquiries and
appealed for witnesses to come forward with information.
Officers reviewed more than 1000 hours of CCTV and dashcam footage, took
more than 350 statements and seized more than 1,200 items.
In January 2018 and February 2019 two men were arrested in connection
with the incident.
Both men, aged 25, appeared at Margate Magistrates’ Court charged with
firearms offences last month.
But police say neither man is being "investigated in relation to Mr
Daniels' death".
The pub was taped off after the shooting.
Eli Smith, of Valley Road, Canterbury, was charged with two counts of
selling a prohibited weapon, possession of a firearm without a
certificate, possession of ammunition for a firearm without a
certificate and converting an imitation firearm into a firearm.
The second man, Robin Ling, was charged with two counts of selling a
prohibited weapon, being concerned in the supply of class B drugs and
conspiring to supply class B drugs.
They will next appear at Canterbury Crown Court on Monday.
Det Ch Insp Richard Vickery, from the Kent and Essex Serious Crime
Directorate, said: "The tragic death of Mr Daniels remains unsolved and
our thoughts are with his family, who we have kept updated throughout
our enquiries.
"Over the past two years we have reviewed more than 1,000 hours of CCTV
and dashcam footage.
"We have also taken more than 350 statements, searched houses and seized
more than 1,200 items, many of which have been forensically examined.
"The two people who have been charged with firearms offences are no
longer being investigated in relation to Mr Daniels' death and have been
eliminated from this part of our enquiries.
"Whilst there is no new update for this part of our investigation, I
would like to thank all those people who have come forward to assist us
with information so far."
The inquest into Mr Daniel's death took place today.
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From the Dover Express, Thursday 19 March, 2020. By Stela Gineva.
Joe Daniels was £100k in debt when he was shot dead in pub.
A POPULAR landlord who was shot in the chest in his own pub had been in
more than £100,000 worth of debt, an inquest heard.
Joe Daniels, 58, was found dead at his Foord Road pub, the "Red Cow," in
Folkestone on Wednesday, November 22, 2017, at around 11.30am.
An inquest into his death was held last week at Archbishops Palace in
Maidstone, and it heard how Mr. Daniels' life was taken by his own gun.
Financial reports read to the court showed that Mr. Daniels had been in
debt to his friends, racking up a sum of around £37,000. Assistant coroner Katrina Hepburn led the hearing where evidence was
heard from Det Sgt Shelley Chantler.
Mr. Daniels, a dad of one, had moved from Liverpool to Kent decades
before and lived above the pub in which he ran. The inquest heard how
the day before his death, on November 21, he confided in his hairdresser
who had come to cut his hair. He said he had concerns about seeing
someone in the pub's garden as he wasn't sure who they were.
But his concerns were not deemed to be serious as he did not contact the
police over what he saw.
The inquest also heard that a friend came to visit him at home, where
Mr. Daniels reportedly showed him two guns which were in his possession.
That evening Ms. Goff came to visit him, they had a Chinese takeaway and
then she stayed the night, leaving the following morning (November 22).
Mr. Daniels had said he had a meeting with someone called Vincent from
the brewery of his pub the next morning. The lease, which was up for
renewal, had been with a brewery which had supplied him with the beers
he sold.
Following the claimed meeting, Mr. Daniels phoned Ms. Goff saying that
it had been 'brilliant!' He then made plans to meet her in the town
centre at 11am the same day.
A later inquiry revealed that the brewery did not have a meeting with
Mr. Daniels that day and they didn't have anyone named Vincent working
for them.
Ms. Goff became concerned when Mr. Daniels did not turn up at the time
they had agreed.
She tried calling and texting him, before making her way to the pub to
check that he is okay.
At the same time, David Ashford, a friend of Mr. Daniels' made his way
to the pub in his vehicle and noticed Ms. Goff was walking that way too.
When the two arrived, it was Ms. Goff who let Mr. Ashford in as she had
a key-to the property. What concerned Ms. Goff on entering the property
was that the door which led to the residential property upstairs had
been left ajar, the coroners court heard. Mr. Daniels usually locked
that door.
The pair then discovered Mr. Daniels' unresponsive body by the back door
next to the pub's conservatory. He was found facedown with a pistol and
casing left next to his head.
Police and ambulance services were called to the premises, but he was
declared dead at 12.17pm.
Despite an extensive investigation by the police, it was not possible to
work out whether anyone had made their way into the pub. On the basis of
the evidence, the police tried to establish whether he was shot by
someone unknown with the firearm, whether he was shot by someone he
knew, or whether he shot himself intentionally or by accident.
A suicide was deemed unlikely as Mr. Daniels had been making mid to
long-term plans for the future. He did not have a history of mental
illness and there was no note left on the premises. But it was noted
that he had a huge amount of debt amounting to more than £100,000. He
had been repaying it "as and when he could."
A later financial report showed that he owed his friends alone a sum in
the region of £37,000. His friends were not aware of the full extent of
his financial situation but were not worried that he would be unable to
repay his debts.
He was struggling to maintain the pub, having made a profit of less than
£18,000 over the previous year.
Assistant coroner Hepburn said: "The gun which was used was his own gun
and own ammunition.
"Either he pulled the trigger or someone else did. I cannot say who
pulled the trigger or why.
"I have no evidence before me that it was his intention to take his own
life. Was this an accidental discharge of the firearm? I cannot say."
Unlawful killing, suicide and misadventure were all ruled out by the
coroner in the absence of evidence.
Mr. Daniels was described as very popular and very well liked, often the
life and soul of the party.
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LICENSEE LIST
LISTED Thomas Pay 1741+
CRESSEY William 1756-78+
BRANN William 1792-1806
HOLLINGWORTH Edward 1806-07
SHORTER John 1807-09
OVENDEN John 1809-11
HOLMES William 1811-16
POPE John 1816-20
BARKER James 1820-23
QUESTED James 1823-25+
Briefly Renamed "Plough."
GOODBURN Richard 1830s-46 (age 37 in 1841)
GOODBURN John 1846-Dec/54 (age 36 in 1851)
PREBBLE William Dec/1854-Dec/57
PREBBLE Charlotte Dec/1857-83 (widow age 45 in 1861)
CLIMSON Charles 1883
BUCKELL Charles 1883-84
JORDAN Alfred Jordan & Mary 1884-90
JORDAN Mary Ann Mrs 1890-1905 (widow age 47 in 1901)
SAVAGE Herbert 1905-11
SAVAGE Mrs (widow) 1911-12
SUMMERFIELD George 1913
COLLAR William Henry 1917-30
CORK Henry William 1930-42+ (age 52 in 1938)
From George III
MILES John 1942
MILES Alice 1942-53
COOK Frederick 1953-64
SWANN Derek 1964-70
BIGGS Geoffrey 1970-83
BIGGS Joan 1983-88
MUSK Barry 1988-92
TANSEY James & Mary 1992-96
BENNETT Louis & Mary 1996-2000
BENNETT Louis & Patrick , HUNTLEY Casey, CHAMBERS Paul 2000-04+
BENNETT Louis Jun 2001-2012
DANIELS Joseph & JONES Teresa 2012-22/Nov/17 (Joe dec'd)
From the Pigot's Directory 1823
From the Pigot's Directory 1840
From Bagshaw Directory 1847
From Melville's Directory 1858
From the Post Office Directory 1862
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From the Post Office Directory 1891
From the Kelly's Directory 1899
From the Post Office Directory 1903
From the Kelly's Directory 1903
From the Post Office Directory 1913
From the Post Office Directory 1922
From the Kelly's Directory 1934
From the Post Office Directory 1938
From the Folkestone Chronicle
From More Bastions of the Bar by Easdown and Rooney
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