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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1804

(Name from)

Rising Sun

Latest 1908

5 George Street

Griffin Street Pigot's Directory 1823Pigot's Directory 1832-34

Deal

Former Rising Sun

Above photo, date unknown, by Darkstar.

 

The Deal History Society give the dates of this pub from between 1699 and 1851, but no address, however, at one time between those dates it was called the "Three Roebucks."

Seen listed in Pigot's directory of 1840 and in other directories as simply the "Sun". Either in Griffin Street or George Street. Hopefully they are one and the same as those streets are close to each other.

 

From the Kentish Weekly Post or Canterbury Journal 7 September 1819.

VALUABLE BREWERY,

Free Public Houses and other estates,

To be Sold By Auction, By Messrs. White, (Without Reserve).

Pursuant to certain orders of the Vice Chancellor of Great Britain, and before the Major part of the Commissioners named and authorised in and by a Commission of bankrupt awarded and issued against Matthew William Sankey, of the City of Canterbury, brewer, dealer and chapman, at the Guildhall, of the said city of Canterbury, on Wednesday next, the 22nd day of September next, at eleven o'clock in the forenoon, (subject to such conditions of sale as shall be then and there produced.)
The following very Valuable Freehold Estates, in Lots.

Valuable Brewery free public houses and other Estates to be sold by auction by Mrs white without reserve.

Lot 16. A new erected Messuage (late in two dwellings) called the "Sun," with the stable, yards, grounds and appurtenances, situate at Deal, in the said county, and now in the occupation of Mr. Kennett.

 

Kentish Gazette, 22 October 1844.

DEAL.

An awful instance of sudden death recently occurred here. On Sunday afternoon, Mr. Redsell, the landlord of the "Rising Sun," retired shortly after dinner to take his usual nap. The family supposing him asleep, allowed him to remain undisturbed beyond the customary time. At length his continued absence excited alarm, and he was found lying in the bed perfectly lifeless. An inquest was held on the body, on Tuesday.

Verdict— "Died by the visitation of God."

 

In 1869 the premises was not licensed, but gained its licence back again in 1872, but from the article below apparently it was causing some disturbance during the years it was without a licence to serve intoxicating liquor.

 

From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury, 11 December, 1869. 1d.

APPLICATION

Mr. Mourilyan was present and said he had an application to make to the Bench on behalf of Messrs. Hills and Son, brewers, under somewhat peculiar circumstances. It appeared that a tenant of one of their houses called the "Sun" had run away and taken the license of the house with him and therefore it was impossible to get it renewed at the last licensing meeting. There was a section in the Act which provided that in a case like the present the Magistrates could grant a fresh license to a new tenant, on what was called transfer days, or at a special session for that purpose. That day he knew was not a transfer day, and his application therefore was for the Magistrates to grant permission to a tenant, named John Bax, that Mr. Hills had got for the house to sell till the next licensing day.

The Clerk thought it necessary, before the Magistrates granted the application, that Mr. Hills should be present and depose to the facts stated, and as Mr. Hills was out of town some little difficulty arose.

Mr. M. Langley, however, who is agent for Messrs. Hills and Son, was present, and on his stating his ability to speak to the facts, he was sworn. He said: I am agent of Messrs. Hills and Son, brewers, Deal. The "Sun" public-house, Deal, belongs to them, and they had a tenant named James Armstrong, who was duly licensed to keep the house. Prior to the last licensing meeting he left the house, absconding in fact, leaving his wife behind him. She also left the house some few months before the licensing day, and delivered up possession to me, as agent, and gave me the key. The house was not let to anybody before the last licensing day, and has, in truth, remained shut up till now. I hold the key. The house is now let to John Bax. Armstrong did not apply at the licensing day for a renewal of his license, nor did anybody on his behalf.

Mr. J. Bax the tenant, was present, and said he was going to take the house in question as a yearly tenant, subject to six months' notice either way. He has kept the "Fishing Boat" beer-house, till within a short time, and had lived in Deal all his lifetime. He now applied to the Magistrates' certificate and authority to enable him to open the house in question prior to the licensing meeting without prejudice to the decision which the Magistrates might therein arrive at.

Mr. Mourilyan was afterwards and very much surprised to discover the license of the house done up amongst some other papers, and could not in any way account how he became possessed of it.

Superintendent Parker having stated, in answer to Mr. Iggulden, that there had been no complaints against the "Fishing Boat" during the time the applicant had kept it.

The application was granted.

 

From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury, 18 March, 1869. 1d.

BAX v. BAILEY

Mr. F. Mercer appeared for the plaintiff in this case, the landlord of the "Sun," public-house, the claim being for 7 3s., money lent in the month of November last, to defendant, a waterman, who was in the habit of using plaintiff's house. Defendant did not appear, and the plaintif having proved his claim, his Honour made an order for payment forthwith, and allowed costs for two witnesses.

 

From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury, 29 January, 1870. 1d.

DEAL PETTY COURT

Mr. Bax, landlord of the "Sun" public-house, George Street, wished to know what steps he could take against a man named Henry Larkins, who was in the habit of entering his house every evening after he had been elsewhere and creating a disturbance. He had several times got the man out the best way he could, but he bow came regularly every evening, and he (Mr. Bax) was afraid that if it were not stopped it would be the means of bringing a disgrace upon his character.

The Magistrates said the only advice they could give him was to lay an information against Larkins, and have him brought up for causing a disturbance.

 

From the Deal, Walmer and Sandwich Telegram, 29 April, 1871.

Report regarding a disturbance by three mariners in the "Rising Sun," Griffin Street, landlord, John Bax.

 

From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury, 29 April, 1871. 1d.

A DISGRACEFUL CASE

Joseph Riddle, James Banham, and Richard Carry, three men belonging to the Royal Marines, were summoned by John Bax, landlord if the "Sun" with being drunk and riotous at his house on Sunday night last, and with refusing to leave the house when requested to do so by him.

J Bad deposed: I am the landlord of the "Sun," public-house, Deal. On Saturday night from between nine and ten minutes to one there were some Marines in my house. The three defendants were there, and also another. They were drinking beer. They were very quiet till 12, when I am bound to clear my house. At 12 I went into the tap-room and told them I must clear my house, but they sat there drinking, and took no more notice of me than they did the form they were sitting on. I waited a few minutes, and gave them a second warning, but they paid no heed to that, and I told them I had a sick wife and would be glad if they would leave, when the prisoners blasphemed me and my wife and then commenced fighting and quarrelling amongst themselves. Carry swore he would not go out of the house, and went and threw himself on to the stage, and the others continued fighting amongst themselves. When P.C. Carvey came round to the house the two, Riddle and Banham, went outside the house on the doorstep where they stood swearing they would not go away till the other man came out. They were drunk, but not so bad but what they knew what they were about.

By the Court: I could not tell what quantity of beer I served them with during the evening as I have a little girl to serve.

Examination continued: I should not have brought the men forward only that two of them came again on Sunday and they refused to leave at eleven. When I found they would not go I ran along the town, and whilst I was gone I found they took advantage of the little girl I had left in charge and took the candle from her, and threatened to thrash her if she did not get them more beer.

In cross-examination prosecutor admitted that he had told Colonel Rodney on Monday morning that the men were perfectly sober, whereas he now swore they were drunk. He denied that Riddle paid him one shilling for lodging at his house on Saturday night. He did not know of his knowledge that he had ever slept at his house with a girl, and he did not see Private White, one of the Military Police, or any other member of that body, at his house after half-past eight o'clock. He likewise denied that he had that morning offered to settle the case for 15s., but alleged that the men had sent Private White to offer him money to settle it, although this was strongly denied both by the men and by White.

Prosecutor called P.C. Carvey as a witness, but as he did not arrive at the house till sometime after the row had subsided, although he was there before the men left, his evidence was not material.

A little girl, the sister-in-law of prosecutor, corroborated his statement as to the men threatening her on Sunday night whilst her brother was gone for the police.

The men alleged, in defence, that on Saturday night they had all paid for lodgings, and then made certain allegations affecting the character of the prosecutor.

They called Sergt. Hodgson and Private White, of the Military Police, who swore most positively that they visited the "Sun" about half-past 11 on Saturday night whereas the prosecutor had sworn there were no Military Police there after half-past eight o'clock, and Sergt. Hodgson even detailed a few minutes' conversation he had with Bax while two of the Military Police went upstairs  to see who was then in the house. Private Fox, another of the Military Police, was also called, but although he at first objected to be sworn, he ultimately took the usual oath, but he was evidently an unwilling witness.

The case occupied a very long time, and more than one of the Magistrates had once or twice felt disposed to stop the proceedings, and eventually it was dismissed, the Magistrates telling Bax that no reliance could be placed on what he had stated, and also that the facts disclosed were anything but creditable to himself. He would have to pay all costs.

 

27th January 1873.

JAMES PETTY, boatman, appeared to answer the charge of ALEXANDER PETTET, one of the Borough Police, of being drunk and riotous and refusing to leave the Sun public house when requested. PETTY was ordered to pay 20 shillings for fine and costs, or 14 days in Sandwich Gaol. PETTY said he had no money and should be sent to gaol.

 

Dover Express 16 February 1906.

DEAL PROPOSED REDUCTION OF LICENCES.

At the Deal Licensing Sessions on Thursday last week, the Mayor announced that, owing to the superfluity of licensed houses in Deal, the following licences would be recommended to the Quarter Sessions for extinction: The "Hope Inn," the "Maxton Arms," the "Deal Lugger," the "Deal Cutter," and the "Sun" and "Globe."

 

From the Canterbury Journal and Farmers' Gazette, Saturday 6 October, 1906.

On Tuesday the Committee settled the compensation to be paid to the owners and tenants of some of the houses, the licenses of which had been taken away. The following figures were agreed upon:-

"Sun," Deal 334.

To the owners (Messrs. Thompson and Son, Walmer) 309.

To the Tenant. (Mary Marsh). 25.

 

 

Last mention I know is in 1908 when it was again not licensed.

 

LICENSEE LIST

DILLON John 1804+

WHITE John 1823-24+ Pigot's Directory 1823Pigot's Directory 1824

WILDE Mary 1828+ (Pigot's Directory 1828-29 Griffin Street)

WHITE Mary 1832-39+ Deal Licensing Register 1828(Pigot's Directory 1832-34Pigot's Directory 1839 Griffin Street)

ROGERS William 1840+ Pigot's Directory 1840

REDSELL Mr to Oct/1844 dec'd

PAUL William E 1847+ Bagshaw's Directory 1847

NORRIS George 1858+ Melville's 1858

DLR 1869 not licensed

BAX John 1870-71+

DLR 1872 license renewed

PETTIT Mr to Aug/1872 Deal Mercury

LANGLEY Mr M Aug/1872-Jan/73 Deal Mercury

HURREN John Jan/1873-74+ Deal MercuryPost Office Directory 1874 (Formerly of Sutton)

BARNETT Eilliam 1882+ Post Office Directory 1882

MARSH Thomas 1891+ Post Office Directory 1891

MARSH Mary to Dec/1906

1908 not licensed

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Pigot's Directory 1823From the Pigot's Directory 1823

Pigot's Directory 1824From the Pigot's Directory 1824

Pigot's Directory 1828-29From the Pigot's Directory 1828-29

Pigot's Directory 1832-34From the Pigot's Directory 1832-33-34

Pigot's Directory 1839From the Pigot's Directory 1839

Pigot's Directory 1840From the Pigot's Directory 1840

Bagshaw's Directory 1847From Bagshaw Directory 1847

Melville's 1858From Melville's Directory 1858

Post Office Directory 1874From the Post Office Directory 1874

Post Office Directory 1882From the Post Office Directory 1882

Post Office Directory 1891From the Post Office Directory 1891

Deal Licensing RegisterDeal Licensing Register

Deal MercuryFrom the Deal Walmer & Sandwich Mercury

 

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