23 Radnor Street, The Stade
38 Radnor Street
Folkestone
https://whatpub.com/ship-inn
Above postcard date unknown, with kind permission from Eric Hartland. Also showing the old "Oddfellows"
on the left. |
Above photograph kindly supplied by Jan Pedersen, 1978. |
Above photo showing Stan Sharp and friend circa 1980. Sent by Rod Pitman. |
Above photo by Paul Skelton, 27 June 2009.
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Above photo by Paul Skelton, 27 June 2009. |
Sign left, 1897 kindly sent by Brian Curtis, sign right by Paul Skelton, 27 June 2009. |
I believe for a short time in the 1850s this went under the name of the "Marquis
of Granby."
Now operating under the banner of Enterprise Inns. 2010.
Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811.
General Sessions 20 August 1792.
Before David Puttee, Edward Andrews, John Harvey, Thomas Farley, Joseph
Sladen and Robert Harvey.
Petitions were received from John Nutt and Matthew William Sankey,
Brewers at Canterbury, to licence a house in Folkestone, in Fisherman's
Row, late called the Ship.
Ordered that the said licence be granted, provided they apply for and
take out the said licence on or before the next licensing day, being the
last Monday in April next.
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Kentish Gazette 9 October 1807.
Advertisement.
To be sold by Auction;
At the sign of the Ship, in Radnor Street, in the town of Folkestone, on
Saturday, the 31st day of October instant, at three o'clock in the
afternoon: All that Copyhold Messuage of Tenement, which hath been long
a good-accustomed Bake-House, situate in Radnor Street, in the said town
of Folkestone aforesaid, and late in the occupation of William Ball or
his assigns, with the leasehold ground and appurtenances thereunto
adjoining and belonging.
Immediate possession may be had.
For further particulars apply at the office of Messrs. Tournay,
Solicitors, Hythe.
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Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811.
General Sessions 25 April 1808.
Before Thomas Baker (Mayor), Joseph William Knight, John Castle, John
Gill, John Bateman and James Major.
The following person was fined for having short measures in their
possession, viz.:
Eastwick 1 quart 2/6.
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Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811.
General Sessions 30 May 1809.
Before Joseph Sladen (Mayor), John Minter, Thomas Baker, John Castle and
John Gill.
Ordered that the following persons be summoned to appear at the next
adjournment of the Sessions, viz.: Wm. Rigden, Charles Stebbings, John
Essex (sic) and John Burton.
Rigden, "British Lion." Stebbings,
"Marquis of Granby." Eastwick,
"Ship
Inn." Burton, "Jolly Sailor."
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Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811.
General Sessions 27 June 1809.
Before Joseph Sladen (Mayor), John Minter, Thomas Baker, and John
Castle.
John Eastwick was fined 10/- for having in his possession one ale pint
pot for selling ale or beer.
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Kentish Gazette 8 January 1811.
Died: January 1st, Mrs. Eastwick, wife of Mr. John Eastwick, Ship Inn,
Folkestone.
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Kentish Chronicle 4 January 1811.
Died: January 1st, Mrs. Eastwick, wife of Mr. John Eastwick, Ship
Inn, Folkestone.
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From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General
Advertiser, Saturday 11 April, 1835. Price 7d.
TO BREWERS, VICTUALLERS, AND OTHERS
To be disposed of, the SHIP INN, in Radnor-Street.
The above House is in excellent Repair and good Trade; the present
Occupier and Owner, leaving the same on account of ill Health.
For Particulars, apply to W. M. Bushell, Auctioneer, Phoenix Fire
Office, St. James's Street, Dover. - (If by letter, post paid.)
Dover, 10th April, 1835.
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Kentish Chronicle 28 April 1835.
Death: April 18, at Folkestone, Mr. Richard Knight, landlord of the
Ship public house, aged 33 years.
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Kentish Gazette 5 May 1835.
Died last week, at Folkestone, Mr. Richard Knight, landlord of the Ship
public house, aged 33.
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Folkestone, 8th May, 1837.
Dover Telegraph 25 August 1838.
Advertisement: To be let, with immediate possession if required, the
Ship Inn, Radnor Street, Folkestone.
Apply to Wm. M. Bushell, Auctioneer, Dover.
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Dover Chronicle 23 August 1838.
Advertisement: To be let, with immediate possession if required, the
Ship Inn, Radnor Street, Folkestone.
Apply to Wm. M. Bushell, Auctioneer, Dover.
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Kentish Gazette 31 January 1843.
To Brewers and others: For sale by private contract, The Ship Inn,
Radnor Street, Folkestone, an old-established House, and doing a good
rade. For further particulars, apply to W.M. Bushell, Auctioneer, Dover.
Jan. 30th, 1843.
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Dover Chronicle 20 January 1844.
On Saturday night last, a Frenchman, who was very much intoxicated,
accidentally fell from the harbour into his vessel below and
fractured his skull, with other serious injuries. He was taken to
the Ship Inn, when a surgeon was immediately sent for, who rendered
him every assistance; and we are happy to say he was able to be sent
home to Boulogne on Monday night, but in a very bad state.
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Maidstone Gazette 12 August 1845.
At a Special and Petty Sessions held at the Town Hall on Tuesday
last, before J. Bateman Esq., Mayor, D. Major and W. Major Esqs.,
and Capt. Sherren, the following alehouse licenses were transferred,
viz: from Joseph Earl, of the "Folkestone Lugger," to Richard Fowle;
from said Richard Fowle, of the "British Lion," to Robert Burvill;
from William Harrison, of the "Marquis of Granby," to James Hall; from
said James Hall, of the "Ship," to John Harrison; from James Collard,
of the "King's Arms" to William Smith.
Note: Transfers of Folkestone Lugger, British Lion, Marquis of
Granby are earlier than previously known. Neither licensee for Ship
listed in More Bastions.
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Maidstone Gazette 22 July 1845.
An inquest was held on Saturday at the "Ship," in Radnor Street,
before J.J. Bond Esq., Coroner for the Borough, and a very
respectable jury, on the body of Henry Pain, aged fifty one, who was
found on Thursday night suspended by a rope in his own house. The
following witnesses were examined:
Ann Lammen Pain, aged ten years, daughter of the deceased, deposed:
About a quarter past nine last Thursday evening I went upstairs to
search for my father, to get him to put grandmother to bed. I went
up into an empty garret in our house, and saw him hanging from the
ceiling. I went directly and called Mr. Carter.
William Carter, on being sworn, gave inconsistent evidence, and was,
therefore, not examined further.
John Bateman, surgeon, deposed: About a quarter before ten o'clock
on Thursday evening last I saw the deceased lying on the floor. I
examined him, and in my opinion he had been dead some hours.
Ann Pain, widow, deposed: The deceased is my son, and has lived with
me for more than twenty years last past. About three weeks ago I
observed an alteration in him, and he was very low in spirits. He
was constantly complaining to me that his life would never let him
have any peace. He was quite an altered man during the last three
weeks, and appeared not to know what he was doing.
Verdict: “That deceased hung himself while in a state of temporary
insanity”.
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Dover Chronicle 26 July 1845.
On Saturday last an inquest was held at the Ship, in Radnor Street,
before J.J. Bond Esq., Coroner for the Borough, and a very
respectable jury, on the body of Henry Pain, aged fifty one, who was
found on Thursday night suspended by a rope in his own house. The
following witnesses were examined:
Ann Lammen Pain, aged ten years, daughter of the deceased, deposed:
About a quarter past nine last Thursday evening I went upstairs to
search for my father, to get him to put grandmother to bed. I went
up into an empty garret in our house, and saw him hanging from the
ceiling. I went directly and called Mr. Carter.
William Carter, on being sworn, gave inconsistent evidence, and was,
therefore, not examined further.
John Bateman, surgeon, deposed: About a quarter before ten o'clock
on Thursday evening last I saw the deceased lying on the floor. I
examined him, and in my opinion he had been dead some hours.
Ann Pain, widow, deposed: The deceased is my son, and has lived with
me for more than twenty years last past. About three weeks ago I
observed an alteration in him, and he was very low in spirits. He
was constantly complaining to me that his life would never let him
have any peace. He was quite an altered man during the last three
weeks, and appeared not to know what he was doing.
Verdict: “That deceased hung himself while in a state of temporary
insanity”.
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Kentish Mercury 26 July 1845.
An inquest was held on Saturday at the Ship, in Radnor Street,
before J.J. Bond Esq., Coroner for the Borough, and a very
respectable jury, on the body of Henry Pain, aged fifty one, who was
found on Thursday night suspended by a rope in his own house. The
following witnesses were examined:
Ann Lammen Pain, aged ten years, daughter of the deceased, deposed:
About a quarter past nine last Thursday evening I went upstairs to
search for my father, to get him to put grandmother to bed. I went
up into an empty garret in our house, and saw him hanging from the
ceiling. I went directly and called Mr. Carter.
William Carter, on being sworn, gave inconsistent evidence, and was,
therefore, not examined further.
John Bateman, surgeon, deposed: About a quarter before ten o'clock
on Thursday evening last I saw the deceased lying on the floor. I
examined him, and in my opinion he had been dead some hours.
Ann Pain, widow, deposed: The deceased is my son, and has lived with
me for more than twenty years last past. About three weeks ago I
observed an alteration in him, and he was very low in spirits. He
was constantly complaining to me that his wife would never let him
have any peace. He was quite an altered man during the last three
weeks, and appeared not to know what he was doing.
Verdict: “That deceased hung himself while in a state of temporary
insanity”.
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Maidstone Gazette 14 December 1847
An inquest was held on Saturday last, at the Guildhall, before John
Bateman Esq., Coroner, on the body of Mr. George Hilton, late of
Hythe, grocer.
William Davies, landlord of the Ship, stated that deceased came into
his house on Thursday last, about and called for some gin and water.
He retired to bed about ten o'clock and in the morning called for a
glass of ale in his bedroom. A short time after, on going into his
room, he pointed to an open paper lying on the table, and said he
had taken poison. Witness instantly sent for a medical man, who
promptly attended.
Silvester Eastes, surgeon, deposed that he was called in on Friday
last to attend the deceased, it having been stated to him that he
had taken poison; he administered the usual remedies, but he
gradually sank and died from its effects.
Thomas Hilton, of Sellindge, grocer, brother of the deceased,
deposed that of late his brother had shown symptoms of insanity, and
at times was very violent; he had no hesitation in saying that the
deceased was of unsound mind at the time of taking the poison.
Edward Hammon, chemist, deposed that on Thursday evening the
deceased called upon him and asked for an ounce of arsenic, saying
that he wanted it for his father to destroy rats. Witness refused to
let him have it unless he procured a competent witness. In about ten
minutes afterwards the deceased returned, and asked if he could have
a preparation that would have the same effect. Witness gave him a
powder for killing vermin, and labelled “Poison”. He remained in the
shop some time afterwards. He had known the deceased for some years,
and thought him much addicted to drinking.
Verdict “Insanity”.
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Dover Telegraph 18 December 1847
An inquest was held on Saturday, at the Guildhall, before John
Bateman Esq., Coroner, on the body of Mr. George Hilton, late of
Hythe, grocer, when the following evidence was taken:
Thomas Davis, landlord of the "Ship," deposed: Deceased came to my
house on Thursday evening, about seven o'clock, and had a glass of gin and water. He appeared much agitated
and disturbed in his mind. After he drank the gin and water, he
called for another glass, which he also drank, and then went to bed.
About half past eight in the morning called, from his bedroom, for a
glass of gin and beer, which he had, and remained in bed till about
half past ten o'clock, when he called for a glass of ale, which I took to his room.
He was in bed, and I asked him if he was unwell. He said he was very
ill, and I asked if I should send for a surgeon. He replied “Yes”,
saying he had taken poison. I immediately sent for Mr. Eastes, who
shortly arrived, and applied the proper remedies, but without
effect, and deceased died about nine o'clock in the evening. He was a stranger
to me, and I do not recollect having seen him before.
Silvester Eastes, surgeon, deposed that he was called in on Friday
week to attend deceased, it having been stated to him that he had
taken poison; he administered the usual remedies, but he gradually
sank and died from its effects.
Thomas Hilton, of Sellindge, grocer, brother of the deceased,
deposed that of late his brother had shown symptoms of insanity, and
at times was very violent; he had no hesitation in saying that the
deceased was of unsound mind at the time of taking the poison.
Edward Hammon, chemist, deposed that on Thursday evening the
deceased called upon him and asked for an ounce of arsenic, saying
that he wanted it for his father to destroy rats. Witness refused to
let him have it unless he procured a competent witness. In about ten
minutes afterwards the deceased returned, and asked if he could have
a preparation that would have the same effect. Witness gave him a
powder for killing vermin, and labelled “Poison”. He remained in the
shop some time afterwards. He had known the deceased for some years,
and thought him much addicted to drinking.
Verdict “That deceased destroyed himself during a fit of temporary
insanity”.
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Canterbury Journal 18 December 1847.
On Saturday last an inquest was held before Mr. Bateman, Coroner, on
the body of George Hilton, late of Hythe, grocer.
William Davies, landlord of the "Ship," stated that the deceased came
into his house on Thursday, and called for some gin and water; he
retired to bed about ten o'clock, and in the morning called for a
glass of ale in his bedroom. A short time after, on going into his
room, he pointed to an open paper lying on the table, and said he
had taken poison. Witness instantly sent for a medical man, who
attended.
Silvester Eastes, surgeon, deposed that he was called in on Friday
last to attend to the deceased, it having been stated to him that he
had taken poison; he administered the usual remedies, but he
gradually sank and died from its effects.
Thomas Hilton, of Sellindge, grocer, brother of the deceased,
deposed that of late his brother had shown symptoms of insanity, and
at times was very violent; he had no hesitation in saying that the
deceased was of unsound mind at the time of taking the poison.
Edward Hammon, chemist, deposed that on Thursday evening the
deceased called upon him and asked for an ounce of arsenic, saying
that he wanted it for his father to destroy rats. Witness refused to
let him have it unless he procured a competent witness. In about ten
minutes afterwards the deceased returned, and asked if he could have
a preparation that would have the same effect. Witness gave him a
powder for killing vermin, and labelled “Poison”. He remained in the
shop some time afterwards. He had known the deceased for some years,
and thought him much addicted to drinking.
Verdict “Insanity”.
Note: More Bastions has Thomas Davis.
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Southeastern Gazette 14 October 1862.
Inquest.
An inquest was held on Friday afternoon, at the Ship Inn, Radnor Street,
before John Minter, Esq., coroner, and a respectable jury, on the body
of an old man, named Matthew Grey, a labourer, who came by his death in
the manner detailed in the evidence,
Mr. W. Bateman, surgeon, said: On Wednesday evening, the 8th instant,
about 7 p. m., I was sent for to the Radnor Inn, and found the deceased
lying quite insensible on the floor m the back room. I found a wound on
the hand, a slight wound on the face, and another of a more serious
nature at the back of the head. He was suffering from compression of the
brain, which was no doubt caused by the blow at the back of the head. He
never rallied or became sensible, but died the next morning. The wound
was such as might have been caused by a fall down some steps. Death
ensued from an effusion of blood on the brain. The wounds on the hand
and face no doubt were caused by the pail he was carrying.
Esther Rossiter, wife of the landlord of the Radnor Inn, said: The
deceased was my servant. I have been at the Radnor three weeks. On
Wednesday afternoon last, between one and two he came in from the beach,
where he had been with some clothes. I gave him a glass of beer, as he
seemed fatigued. He has not been well lately. I asked him to go into the
cellar and empty some dirty water and fetch some clean water from the
pump in theyard. I heard the pail fall, and on going to see I found him
lying at the bottom of the steps leading to the kitchen. I saw him
folded up, and he was bleeding at the nose, mouth and back of the head.
We sent for Mr. Bateman No one else was about. Baker was in the kitchen,
and I called him to assist me. Deceased was 70.
Henrv Baker said: I lodge at the Radnor. I had just come from work on
Wednesday evening last when I heard deceased fail with the pail and Mrs.
Rossiter call out, “Oh, dear, here's Matt down”. I assisted the last
witness in getting him up, and laid him on a form in the kitchen. I saw
he was wounded on the head and bleeding. He only spoke once, and said
“Where's my cap?”
Verdict Accidental death.
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Southeastern Gazette 22 May 1866.
Transfer of Licence.
At a special sessions held at the Town Hall on Wednesday last, the
following transfer was granted:—The Ship, Radnor Street, from Mr. Page
to Mr. Bates.
Note: Date of transfer is at variance with More Bastions.
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Folkestone Chronicle 4 May 1867.
Friday May 3rd: Before R.W. Boarer, A.M. Leith, and J. Kelcey Esqs.
George Aquilla Bates summoned for non-payment of £1 13s., for gas
consumed and rent of meter up to December 21st. Defendant keeps the Ship
Inn, Radnor Street.
Defendant said last quarter's gas was only 5s 11d, this quarter it was
£1 11s 6d.
Mr. Hoile, of the Gas Company, proved that 6,300 feet of gas had been
consumed by defendant between 1st October and 1st January last, which
amounted to £1 11s 6d.
Order for payment in seven days, in default a distress, if no goods, one
month's imprisonment.
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Folkestone Observer 4 May 1867.
Friday, May 3rd: Before R.W. Boarer and A.M. Leith Esqs.
George Aguilla Bates was sued for £1 11s. 6d.gas, and 1s. 6d. meter,
used at the Ship Inn, Radnor Street. Order for payment in seven days, in
default a distress, if no goods, one month's imprisonment.
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Folkestone Chronicle 25 May 1867.
Advertisement:
To be let, with immediate possession, The Ship Inn, Folkestone. Enquire
of Mr. Thomas Marsh, Borstal House, Whitstable.
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Folkestone Chronicle 6 July 1867.
Monday July 1st: Before the Mayor, J. Kelcey and R.W. Boarer Esqs.
George Yates and John Wilson, travellers, were brought up, charged with
stealing a white shirt, a plaid scarf, and a black waistcoat, value 5s.,
the property of Frederick Squire, a musician, on the 28th.
Prosecutor deposed that he slept at the Black Bull Inn on Friday night,
and that on Saturday morning he missed a travelling bag containing three
shirts, ten collars, twelve pocket handkerchiefs, six pairs cotton
socks, two flannel shirts, a black vest, a plaid scarf, two music
scores, hat brush, clothes brush, comb and hard brush, two parts of a
cornet, and a piece of music. He went to the Ship Inn, Radnor Street,
and found the prisoners there. Accompanied by a man named Burgess he
went into a room, and under a bed occupied by the prisoners he found a
bundle containing three shirts, a vest, pair of trousers, and two
scarves; one shirt, the vest, and one scarf were his property. On
charging the prisoners with stealing them, Yates said “It's no use
making a bother and charging innocent people about your things. I took 'em.
I did not know they were a traveller's, or I would not have done it”.
The other prisoner was drunk. He found a policeman and gave them into
custody. The value of the articles was £2 10s.
William Borough Darley, salesman for “Cheap Jack”, saw the prisoners and
a tall man near the Black Bull on Friday evening. The tall man had a
black leather bag and a bundle with him.
Louisa Bates, wife of the landlord of the Ship Inn, said prisoners slept
at the house on Friday night. Three persons slept in one bed. There was
another in the room, which was also occupied, and three other persons
had to pass through the room.
James Penny, exhibitor of Purchase's waxwork, heard prosecutor charge
prisoners with the robbery, and heard Yates say “I am the one that
nailed them”.
After a brief deliberation Wilson was discharged, and Yates sent to
Petworth for six weeks' hard labour.
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Folkestone Observer 6 July 1867.
Monday, July 1st: Before The Mayor, J. Kelcey, and R.W. Boarer Esqs.
George Yates and John Wilson were charged with felony.
Frederick Squire, musician, said he occupied a bedroom at the Black
Bull, and on Friday evening at 6 o'clock his bag was on the drawers in
his room. On Saturday morning at 8 o'clock, he missed it from it's
place. It contained three new linen shirts, one worn shirt, ten linen
collars, twelve white pocket handkerchiefs, six small ones marked with
the initial “N”, and six large ones not marked, six pair white cotton
socks, two under flannels, one black waistcoat, one plaid winter scarf,
two music scores, hat brush, clothes brush, comb and hair brush, two
pieces of a cornet, and a pianoforte copy. He immediately went
downstairs and made his loss known. Knew prisoners by sight. They were
not lodging in the house. Came into the town, and found the prisoners in
the Ship Inn, Radnor Street. One was sitting on one sode of the kitchen,
and one on the other. Charged them with breaking into his bedroom and
stealing the bag. The bedroom door was not locked, but fastened. Both
denied it in foul language. Went upstairs with Mr. Purchase, and under
the bed that he said they had occupied – between the mattress and the
battens – found the bundle of articles produced, containing three shirts
(only one of them belonging to witness), a black waistcoat, and a scarf,
also belonging to him, and which were in the bag he had missed. Went for
a policeman, and took him back with him and gave the prisoners into
custody. After charging the prisoners, Yates said “It is of no use you
making a bother and charging the whole of us. You have lost your things.
They are gone. I took your things. I did not know they were a
traveller's, or I would not have taken them”. The other man was drunk.
William Burrough Barber said he was a salesman for Mr. Levi, “Cheap
Jack”, and he knew both prisoners by sight. About 8 o'clock on Friday
evening, he was in the Black Bull field, about five yards from the inn,
and saw prisoners and another man standing near the wagon from which he
was selling. The other man, a tall man, had a black bag in his hand. Did
not see where they went.
Louisa Bates, wife of George Aquilla Bates, landlord of the Ship Inn,
said she knew the prisoners – Yates lodging at her house on Thursday and
Friday nights, and Wilson on Friday night. The prisoners and another man
occupied one bed together. They were in and out all day. Did not notice
either of them bring anything into the house. They went to bed between
eleven and twelve. Did not notice whether they took anything upstairs.
Cross-examined: There are two beds in the room, and access is had
through that room to another bedroom, in which three persons also slept
on Friday night.
James Penny, a traveller, went to the Ship Inn on Saturday morning with
prosecutor, and charged prisoners with stealing his bag, with music and
different things in it. They said they knew nothing about it.
Afterwards, when some of the things were found, Yates said “I am the man
that nailed them, and no-one else had anything to do with them”.
P.C. Smith (6) went with P.C. Hills and prosecutor to the Ship on
Saturday morning, and prosecutor gave the prisoners into custody on a
charge of stealing a bag from his bedroom at the Black Bull. On the way
to the station, the prisoner Yates said he thought this job was well
done with.
The Bench then discharged Wilson from custody, and he hastily left the
court, but Superintendent Martin stepped after him, and gave order for
him to be taken below.
Prisoner Yates elected to be tried by magistrates, and pleaded guilty to
the things being found in the room in which he slept, but he was not
guilty of stealing them. He slept in the house where a great many were
stopping. Four slept in the room he slept in, and four in the room to
which access was obtained by passing through his room. Prosecutor said
that if the things were found nothing would have come of it, and that
made him say to the policeman that he thought the case was done with. He
did not say that he had nailed the things.
Prosecutor denied having said nothing would be done if the things were
found.
The Mayor said “George Yates, the Bench sentence you to six weeks'
imprisonment with hard labour”.
Prisoner: My name is Hardman, not Yates.
The Mayor: You gave it wrong. You gave it first as Gates, then as Yates.
John Wilson was again placed in the dock.
James Penny, traveller, lodging at the Bull, said on Friday night,
between eleven and twelve o'clock, he missed from his bedroom a bundle,
containing a pair of trousers, two shirts, worsted socks, two linen
collars, scarf, and pocket handkerchief. The bundle was safe between
eight and nine of Friday morning. Told the landlord on Friday night of
his loss, and he suggested that some of his companions had been having a
lark with them and put them somewhere else. When Mr. Squire came down on
Saturday morning and mentioned his loss, then he himself also thought
his things had been stolen. Went with quire and Burrough Barber to the
Ship Inn, and Barber, sitting down, said “Those persons over there had
your things”. He referred to Yates, and the third man not there, who
were sitting on one side. The third man got up, and lifting the poker
swore he would knock Barber's head off. Wilson was sitting on the other
side, very drunk. Squire brought downstairs a bundle in which were some
things that had been stolen from him, and the two shirts he had missed.
Witness said to those in the room he wanted also his plaid trousers, two
collars, and scarf. Yates said to prisoner Wilson “You know you have the
trousers in your basket”. Prisoner went to the basket, which was
standing on the settle, and said “They are not here now. Somebody has
taken them away”. Shortly after that, someone he did not know brought in
the things he had asked for, and also Mr. Squire's scarf. That was while
witness was in the kitchen, and Squire had gone for a policeman.
This being all the evidence, the prisoner was discharged.
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Folkestone Chronicle 27 July 1867.
Harbouring Prostitutes.
Friday July 26th: Before the Mayor and R.W. Boarer Esq.
George Aquilla Bates, of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, was fined £2 and
costs, or two months' imprisonment for this offence, and as he professed
himself unable to pay he was removed in custody.
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Folkestone Observer 27 July 1867.
Friday, 26th July: Before The Mayor and R.W. Boarer Esq.
George Aquilla Bates was summoned for allowing prostitutes to assemble
and continue in his house.
P.C. Reynolds said: On Tuesday last, the 23rd inst., I visited the house
about half past seven in the evening. I saw in the back room fronting
the harbour two or three soldiers and two girls. I have seen the girls
out with soldiers, and I believe them to be common prostitutes. The
soldiers were smoking and drinking, and one soldier had got his arm
about one girl. I came out and saw the defendant and cautioned him about
having the girls in his house. He said he would get rid of them, and
that they had hired rooms in the house and he did not know they were
prostitutes. I returned to the house at about nine o'clock. I saw one of
the same girls in a room facing Radnor Street. There were no men. I left
the house. There has been great complaint made by the neighbours about
defendant's house. I cautioned him on the previous Sunday evening about
keeping prostitutes. Defendant keeps the Ship Inn, in Radnor Street, and
is a licensed victualler.
Elizabeth Ann Spearpoint said: We live in Radnor Street, opposite the
Ship, the house defendant lives in. The night before last, a little
before 12 o'clock, I heard a knocking at defendant's door. I got up and
looked out and saw a man and a woman at the door. I believe the woman to
be a lodger in defendant's house. The man went away about one, and the
woman sat down on the step and slept and then knocked again. She was let
into the house at about 5 o'clock in the morning. I have seen four girls
in the house. Three girls live in the house. I have seen them in the
bedrooms. I have seen them there several times. I have witnessed
improper conduct between them. I have not stayed to watch them, but have
walked from the window. I saw the girls and some soldiers in the passage
on Sunday evening, and from what I have seen I believe the girls to be
prostitutes.
Cross-examined: I have seen soldiers and girls in the bedrooms.
The Bench fined the defendant £2 and 11s. costs, and in default of
payment two months' imprisonment.
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Southeastern Gazette 30 July 1867.
Local News.
George Aguila Bates, of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, was summoned for
harbouring loose characters in his house.
He was fined £2 and costs, or two months' imprisonment.
Defendant said he was unable to pay, and was removed in custody.
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Folkestone Express 19 February 1870.
Wednesday, February 16th: Before The Mayor and R.W. Boarer Esq.
Ann Bates applied for her property to be protected from her husband, who
had deserted her for nearly two years. Mr. S. Pilcher, from the office
of Mr. Minter, supported the application.
Applicant, being sworn, said she had three children now living. Her
husband was in gaol at Canterbury. They formerly kept the Ship in Radnor
Street.
The order was granted.
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Folkestone Express 10 December 1881.
Saturday, December 3rd: Before General Armstrong, Captain Crowe,
Alderman Banks, R.W. Boarer and F. Boykett Esqs.
Charles Stone and Richard Reynolds were charged with assaulting Richard
Hart on the 26th November.
Mr. Minter appeared for the defendants.
The complainant is a seaman on board the S.E.R. Clementine. He stated
that he was in Radnor Street just before eleven o'clock on Saturday
night. He left the Star Inn to go on board his ship, and just outside
met Stone, who knocked him down. Neither of them spoke. Complainant got
up, and Stone and Reynolds both struck him again with their fists. They
all three fell down, and he (the complainant) became insensible and was
carried into some woman's house. He knew the defendants by sight and had
worked with them. They belonged to the Flirt schooner. He had had no
quarrel with them. He saw them in the day time working coals about 12
o'clock, but did not speak to them.
Complainant still bore the marks of the injuries he received at the
hands of the defendants.
In cross-examination complainant said: I first saw the defendants about
a quarter to 11 going into the Star. I saw Spearpoint in the Star. The
defendants were not sitting down when I went in, nor did I or Spearpoint
knock their beer off the table. I do not know if they went to the Ship.
I went by the Star on my way to the harbour. I did not throw my oilskin
and say “Where is the ----?”, and I only fought with them in self
defence. We did not have a regular round, nor did a policeman separate
us. Spearpoind did not, so far as I know, fight with Reynolds. I did not
go into the Star, throw my oilskin off, and say “I'll fight the best
b---- here”.
Jane May, of 31, Radnor Street, said she was in the street about 11
o'clock and saw the defendants there. Stone was on the top of Hart,
punching him on the ground. She did not see the commencement of the
affray. Reynolds had his coat off, going to fight, saying he was “the
master piece of the street”. He appeared to be about to kick Hart, and
witness pulled him back, tearing his shirt off. Stone and Hart were
parted by her husband and another man. They picked Hart up and took him
into witness's house. He was bleeding from the nose and ears, and could
not see out of either eye. He was quite insensible. P.C. Knowles and
Sergeant Butcher saw him in that condition. The defendants did not
appear to be much the worse for drink.
Elizabeth Jeffrey, living at 7, Radnor Street, said she saw the two
defendants. Stone had Hart on the ground, but she could not see what he
was doing to him. She assisted to get Hart into Mrs. May's house.
Mr. Minter said the defence would be that there was a quarrel and a
fight, the complainant being the actual aggressor. He got the worst of
the fight, and had no right to come to the Bench for redress. He called
Charles Reynolds as a witness, who said: I am mate of a cessel, and
belong to Maidstone. On Saturday I was in company with Stone. We went to
the Ship, and about twenty minutes past ten we went to the Star. We
called for three pints of beer for three of us. Whilst we were sitting
there William Spearpoint came in, but Hart did not. Spearpoint commenced
to kick up a row with his father. Hart was in the passage at the bar. He
would let no-one pass. He said “I'll fight the best man in the house”. I
said to him “Dicky, let me come past”. He said “Yes, I don't want to
have any row with you”. Stone was just outside. I and Stone then went to
the Ship and remained there until eleven o'clock. We came out and saw
Hart and William Spearpoint. Hart said “Where are the ----?” I don't
recollect Stone saying anything. Hart threw down his oilskins and they
commenced to fight. I did not interfere. Spearpoint was coming to hit
me. He said “Where's that Charley?” I said “Here I am”, and I struck him
first. Hart and Stone fought for about ten minutes. They fell several
times. I did not see the finish of it as I was fighting with Spearpoint.
I did not see who struck the first blow.
Robert Lepper, a bricklayer, who was in the Ship on Saturday night, said
he saw Hart and Stone fighting together for ten minutes. They were
falling about on the kerb stones. He could not say which struck the
first blow.
Complainant was then re-called at the request of Mr. Minter, and the
Bench asked him if he did not ask Mr. Ford to hold his coat. He admitted
that he did so, but it was after he had been struck and knocked down by
Stone. He fought to defend himself.
Stone was then called as a witness for Reynolds by Mr. Minter, but the
Bench intimated that they were unanimously of opinion that the case
against Reynolds should be dismissed.
The Bench took some time coming to a decision, and the chairman then
stated that they were divided as to whether they ought not to commit
Stone to prison without the option of a fine. It was a most gross case,
the complainant having been unwarrantably attacked when proceeding on a
rough night to make his vessel secure. Defendant would be fined 40s.,
and costs 13s., or one month's hard labour in default.
Inquest.
An inquest was held at the Town Hall on Tuesday evening on the body of
Sarah Harold Baker, whose death was caused under the following
circumstances:-
William baker said: I am a fisherman and the son of the deceased. She
was 46 years of age. I identify the body just viewed as that of my
mother. She lived at 36, Radnor Street, and was a widow. On Sunday
night, the 4th instant I went out about ten to bale our boat out. I did
not see my mother then and supposed she was at one of the neighbours.
When I returned about eleven I was going down the cellar stairs, and saw
her lying at the bottom. I thought she was in a fit or dead and called
my uncle. I last saw her about seven, when I was going out. I did not
look down the stairs when I came back at ten.
Richard May said: I am landlord of the Ship Inn. The deceased was my
sister-in-law. About eleven o'clock on Sunday night William Baker called
to me from the window and asked me to get up, as his mother was lying at
the bottom of the stairs in a fit. I went in and found deceased lying on
her stomach, as if she had pitched forward downstairs. We took her in
our arms and laid her on the sofa upstairs, and I then sent for a
doctor. I felt her pulse and it did not beat, but her body was slightly
warm. In my opinion she was dead. I had seen her that evening between
nine and ten o'clock in her own house. She was quite sober. For the last
few years she had been very nervous. Dr. Mercer attended.
Mr. Richrds Mercer said: On Sunday night about half past twelve I was
called to see the deceased at 36, Radnor Street. I found her lying on
the sofa quite dead, and nearly cold. There was a slight oozing of blood
from the nostrils and mouth, but no signs of bruises or abrasions. In my
opinion death was caused by concussion and probably fracture of the base
of the skull. I have not made a post mortem examination, therefore I
could not say positively. I have known deceased seven or eight years.
She was subject to giddiness and fainting.
A verdict of Accidental Death was returned.
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Folkestone Express 11 February 1882.
Wednesday, February 8th: Before Colonel De Crespigny and Aldermen
Caister and Sherwood.
Dora Harris was summoned for assaulting Mrs. May, wife of the landlord
of the Ship Inn, on the 3rd inst.
Complainant said the defendant went to her house and struck her, making
her nose bleed. She had done nothing to provoke her.
Henry Baker, nephew of complainant, said he was in the house when Dora
Harris came in to his aunt's. After using very bad language she struck
his aunt on the forehead with her fist. He got up and defendant
scratched him down the face. His aunt did not strike defendant at all.
In reply to defendant, witness denied striking her.
Elizabeth Baker said she was in the Ship Inn on Friday and saw defendant
come in. She used very bad language and struck Mrs. May.
Richard Rodgers said he was called by Mrs. May's daughter to separate
her and defendant, who were fighting in the passage. The defendant
struck Mrs. May several times.
By defendant: I did not offer to fight you, and did not drag you along
the passage by your hair.
Defendant called Mary Ann Luck, who said she accompanied Mrs. Harris to
the Ship Inn. She was talking to Mrs. May in the passage when Henry
Baker struck her on the side of the face. She heard Mr. May call out to
Rodgers to go to her assistance.
The Bench fined defendant 5s. and 13s. costs, or 14 days' imprisonment
in default.
Richard Harris was then charged with assaulting Richard Rodgers on the
3rd of February.
This case arose out of the previous one. Complainant stated that
defendant went to the back of the Ship, where he accused him of
thrashing his wife, and “pitched into” him, giving him a black eye.
Defendant was misinformed, as he did not strike his wife, but only
separated her and Harry Baker.
Richard May, the landlord of the Ship, said he saw Harris go towards
Rodgers. He called out to him “Don't strike, Harris. You'll do wrong”.
Harris struck the first blow and then they had a short “up and down
row”.
William Spearpoint, who was called for the defence, said he saw Harris
go and speak to Rodgers. He asked him why he had wound his wife's hair
round the handle of the door. Rodgers replied that he did not do so, but
that Harris's wife hit him. They had some further words, when Rodgers
threw off his hat and struck at Harris, who in self defence returned the
blow. They then fought for about two minutes. Rodgers then ran into the
back way of the Ship. Harris went on doing his lines.
The defendant was fined 2s. 6d. and 11s. costs, or 14 days.
When the parties left the court, Rodgers and his friends were followed
by a crowd, hooting and casting flour at him, until they reached the
bottom of High Street.
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Folkestone Express 1 March 1884.
Wednesday, February 27th: Before Captain Crowe, Captain Fletcher,
Alderman Hoad, and F. Boykett Esq.
Temporary authority was granted to George Warman to carry on business at
the Ship.
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Folkestone News 22 November 1884.
Saturday, November 15th: Before The Mayor, Aldermen Caister and
Sherwood, Mr. J. Holden and Mr. J. Fitness.
Richard Oliver was charged with stealing nine pairs of stockings, value
12s., from the shop of Stephen Petts, on the 14th inst.
Prosecutor said the stockings were hanging outside his shop on Friday
morning. He identified the stockings produced as his property.
Charles Thew, a labourer, said he saw prisoner hawking some stockings
for sale, at 3d. per pair, in the Fish Market, about half past eleven on
Friday morning. Witness gave him 9d. for three pairs of them. Sergt.
Ovenden subsequently came to his house and h gave them up.
Turner Court said he saw the prisoner selling stockings, and he went up
to him, saying “What have you got?” Prisoner said “I will give you this
pair”. As soon as witness heard they were stolen property he went to Mr.
Petts's and gave them up. A few minutes afterwards Sergt. Ovenden came
in.
Edward Paine, a seaman, said the prisoner was offering stockings for
sale in the Railway Inn on Friday. Witness bought a pair for 6d.
Sergt. Ovenden said he found the prisoner in the bar of the Queen's Head
public house about ten minutes after one. The man was apparently asleep,
and the worse for drink. Witness took him to the police station. He made
no reply on being charged with theft. Witness received the stockings
produced from the above named witnesses.
Prisoner said he was Not Guilty. The stockings were handed to him by a
person he had seen several times in the town, who asked him to dispose
of them, as he might as well do that as stand about with his hands in
his pockets. The person spoken of said he would be satisfied if prisoner
brought back 1s. 9d., and appointed to meet him at the Queen's Head.
Prisoner had no idea they were stolen property.
The Bench found prisoner Guilty and sentenced him to six weeks' hard
labour.
Prisoner was then further charged with stealing three jugs, value 2s.,
from the shop of John Surrey on Thursday night.
Prosecutor identified the jugs produced.
Thomas Venner, a porter, said he saw prisoner at the Rendezvous. They
left the house together, and went along as far as Mr. Surrey's, when
witness saw prisoner take three jugs from the shop. Witness then turned
back.
Mr. Bradley: Why didn't you go into Mr. Surrey's shop and tell him?
Witness: Well, I thought it was nothing at all to do with me, and I made
no more to do but turned round and went back.
Mr. Bradley: Did you give information to the police?
Witness: No, sir.
Mr. Bradley: You thought he had a right to the things?
Witness: No, sir.
The Mayor: Do you mean to say you saw this man steal these jugs and
didn't think it was your duty to go and inform the police?
Witness: I could not say he stole them.
The Mayor: But you saw him take them?
Witness: Yes, sir.
The Mayor: Then why did you not go and inform them?
Witness: I did not know whether he bought them or not.
The Mayor: You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
George Warman, landlord of the Ship Inn, said the defendant came in on
Thursday night between half past nine and ten with three jugs. A
fisherman named Hart bought them of him. Hart left them with the
landlord to go to sea.
Prisoner (in reply to the usual question): To this charge I must plead
Guilty.
The Bench gave him a month's hard labour, to follow the last sentence.
The Mayor: Venner, I wish just to speak to you. The Bench consider the
way in which you have given your evidence is very unsatisfactory, and
the fact is you have run a very good chance of being put in the same
position as prisoner. You saw the man take the jugs and hadn't the
honesty to inform Mr. Surrey of his loss. Such conduct is very
reprehensible. You must be more careful.
Venner: Yes, sir. Thank you.
The Mayor: The Bench wish me to make a remark with regard to the
exposing of goods for sale by tradesmen. Now and then it acts as an
incentive to men out of employ to steal. We hope in future they will not
expose more goods than it is necessary.
Supt. Taylor said goods were very much exposed outside of the shops in
the town.
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Folkestone Chronicle 20 November 1886.
Advertisement.
Folkestone Bloaters.
A REAL TREAT
30 for 1s., 100 for 4s.
Bloaters are now in their prime, and may be had of T. Hall, Ship Inn,
Radnor Street.
Note: It made me smile that the “Special Offer” on bulk-buying would
actually get you less!
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Folkestone Chronicle 28 May 1887.
Monday, May 23rd: Before J. Holden and J. Fitness Esqs.
William Phillips, a tall, powerful navvy, was charged with refusing to
quit licensed premises, and pleaded Not Guilty.
Mr. George Warman, landlord of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, said: On
Saturday night about half past ten prisoner was in my house, and finding
he was the worse for drink I refused to serve him. I asked him to leave,
but he would not do so. I called P.C. Swift and gave him into custody.
Prisoner had been in about eight o'clock the same evening, and had been
refused. His language was very bad.
Cross-examined: You were going out when the constable took you into
custody. You were not going out willingly, and if the constable had not
been there, I expect you would have given me a “clout of the head”.
P.C. Swift said he was on duty in Radnor Street, and was called to the
Ship Inn, where he found prisoner refusing to leave the premises and
took him into custody.
Prisoner said he was leaving the house when the constable met him in the
passage and the landlord gave him in charge. He owned he had been
drinking, but considered he was improperly given into custody.
Fined 5s. with 5s. 6d., or in default seven days' imprisonment.
Prisoner said he would do the seven days.
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Folkestone Express 28 May 1887.
Monday, May 23rd: Before J. Holden and J. Fitness Esqs.
William Phillips, a tall, powerful-looking man, who said he was an
excavator, was charged with being drunk and refusing to quit the Ship
Inn, Radnor Street, on Saturday night.
George Warman, the landlord, said the prisoner went to his house about
half past ten at night. Prisoner was the worse for drink, and therefore
he refused to serve him with anything. He made a disturbance in the
house and was requested to leave, but refused, and a policeman was
called and he was given into custody.
P.C. Swift said he was on duty near the Ship Inn, and was called by Mr.
Warman to eject the prisoner, who was making a great noise. Mr. Warman
gave him into custody.
In answer to the prisoner, the witness said he went back to fetch Mr.
Warman up to the police station, but it was not because he had made a
mistake in taking him into custody. It was true that he told witness
there was no offence.
The prisoner was fined 5s. and 5s. 6d. or seven days, in default of
payment a distress. He said he was travelling the country and had a good
character, and he considered he had been cruelly treated and would have
the seven days.
Supt. Taylor said the man was an ex-policeman, having been in the
Metropolitan Police, which accounted for his acquaintance with the
technical forms.
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Folkestone Chronicle 31 August 1889.
Objection.
The Annual Folkestone Licensing Sessions were held at the Town Hall on
Wednesday, before Dr. Bateman and a full Bench.
The licence of the Ship, in the occupation of Mr. Warman, was objected
to because the house had not been conducted properly. The licence was
granted with a caution.
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Folkestone Express 31 August 1889.
Wednesday, August 28th: Before Dr. Bateman, Captain Carter, J. Hoad, J.
Clarke, H.W. Poole, J. Pledge and F. Boykett Esq.
The General Annual Licensing Meeting was held on Wednesday.
All the old licenses were renewed without opposition or comment except
the following:-
The Ship, Radnor Street: Mr. Warman was the applicant. Supt. Taylor said
the police had been refused admission in this case also, and the Bench
cautioned the applicant.
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Folkestone Chronicle 30 August 1890.
Annual Licensing Session.
Wednesday, August 27th: Before The Mayor, Major H.W. Poole, Alderman
Pledge, Dr. Bateman, and J. Clarke Esq.
Mr. Warman applied for a renewal of the licence of the Ship.
Superintendent Taylor said on the 13th of January four persons were
found on the premises at half past eleven. They were said to be friends,
and he thought there was some truth in the assertion. In all other
respects the conduct of the house was fairly good.
The renewal was granted.
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Folkestone Express 30 August 1890.
Wednesday, August 27th: Before The Mayor, Dr. Bateman, Alderman
Pledge, J. Clark, F. Boykett and H.W. Poole Esqs.
The Brewster Sessions were held on Wednesday. Most of the old
licenses were renewed, but some were objected to by the
Superintendent of Police.
The Ship.
Supt. Taylor said on the 18th January last several people were found
in this house at half past eleven at night. It was claimed that they
were friends of the landlord. In other respects the house was very
well conducted.
The applicant said it was his wife's birthday, and two days before
was his daughter's, and they had a few friends in.
Mr. Bradley: And you were celebrating the double event.
Applicant replied that they were, and added that he was up at the
police station at 25 minutes to 12.
Superintendent Taylor said Mr. Warman was very indignant that the
police should take the liberty of visiting his house after hours.
It appeared the constable was not in uniform, and the Bench granted
the licence.
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Holbein's Visitors' List 19 November 1890.
Extract from Folkestone Then and Now/
As the day passed, the weather became gloomy, and in the afternoon a
merry party of fishermen were enjoying themselves over a game of
ninepins in the cellar of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street. This was the
ninepin alley, where the space was so restricted that every time the
ball was thrown the spectators had to be on the look out and dodge it's
course as it bounded off the faggots which stood around the cellar,
answering the same purpose as the “cush” on a billiard table.
Sailors filled the place to overflowing, and the steps leading down the
cellar from the quay were also crowded to watch the game. The herring
season was at it's height, and had been fairly good thus far, and the
boats had come in that morning each with a last or two of fish, and were
ready for sea again, but the weather began to look squally and
threatening, hence the congregating of the ninepin players, where the
anxiety to see Jack Philpott “get the nine” conduced towards the
consumption of an unknown quantity of beer from the straight quart and
pint pots of the white and blue earthen pattern of the day.
The evening closed in, and gradually some of the party found their way
up the crooked staircase to the sanded-floored parlour over the ninepin
alley, where a “free and easy” was at once started, and Bobby Baker,
Squashy Hall, Mopsey Spearpoint, old Jimmy Hopkins the cobbler, and
others “favoured” the company till both singers and heares got tired of
the “harmony”. A strong smell of herrings – fresh herrings – oily and
pungent overpowered even the strength of the tobacco smoke that filled
the room and almost hid the flickering lights of the tallow candles on
the table, and seemed to forbid admission to the overcrowded, cabin-like
apartment, where the fierce fire in the grate added to the insanitary
conditions. Fishermen filled every corner of the room and puffed away at
their long clay pipes behind their pots of beer as the wind began to
howl outside and whistle through the closely-casemented windows, from
whence the men occasionally glanced to see that their boats in the
harbour were safe at their moorings.
A regular sou'-west gale blew as the night advanced, and it was evident
that the boats must stay ashore for the evening. “Nanny Widdy” made a
skirmish into the room, like an old hen after an erring chick, and
fetched out her son “Squashy” for the night before he became hopelessly
irremovable. Young “Bobby” heard outside the door the siren-like charms
of an old wheezy accordion, which lured him away to his lady-love; while
some of the most thirsty became silent under the combined somnolent
surroundings, and others indulged in a quiet chat as if enjoying the
most salubrious incitements to converse.
Discourse took a practical turn. All the herring “hangs” were said to be
full of fish, although Court and Willis and Golder had done a roaring
trade in bloaters. Spratters had got their nets ready and meant, if they
could, to catch some sprats for the Lord Mayor's Dinner. The
Harmbourmaster came in for an uncomplimentary share of the conversation,
the steam boats were voted a nuisance, and the tan-copper wanted
mending.
These and other subjects had been discussed when a newcomer entered the
parlour with his hands deep in his nether garments, and smoking a long
pipe, the bowl of which reached down to his waistcoat pockets. He seemed
to come meandering in, like a vessel entering the harbour. He worked his
way round the room into a berth and dropped anchor next to an old salt
who wore a tall weather-beaten beaver hat pushed down on the back of his
head over his ears as if the wearer was afraid of catching cold.
“You know what I told you Ant'ny?” he said as he seated himself.
“What say, Jack?” asked the other, who was deaf.
“Didn't I tell you Dick Hart was goin' to be Mayor?”
“You did, but I hope it ain't true”
“It's right, and I believe he'd make a good Mayor, too.”
“Do you? What about the rates?”
“Oh! Blow the rates; they won't hurt us”
“Won't they? You'll see; they'll go up like wild fire”
Thus, the gentlemen in Bennett's sail loft, and the fishermen in the
Ship parlour both agreed about the upward rush of rates in the future if
Mr. Richard Hart became Mayor. Nevertheless, on the 9th of November that
event came to pass.
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Folkestone Visitors' List 17 May 1893.
Police Court Jottings.
Publicans have need to be very careful nowadays, seeing how stringently
the law is interpreted against them, when, for instance a man's having
been seen to enter and leave a house, according to the judges, is
equivalent to his actually being found on the premises.
Mr. George Warman, of the Ship Inn, had rather a narrow escape. He was
summoned for keeping his house open for the sale of intoxicating liquors
during prohibited hours.
Sergeant Swift about half past eleven the previous Sunday morning saw a
little girl leave the premises, after the defendant had previously come
out and looked up and down the street, with a quart jug of beer in her
hand. When the sergeant spoke to the defendant about it he said he had
given it to the child for her mother. She, however, took it to the house
of a Mrs. Hopkins.
Mr. Haines, who defended, said no money had been shown to have passed,
and in fact it all arose out of acts of kindness. The wife of the
defendant was very seriously ill, and the neighbours came in and did
what cooking there was. Mrs. Hopkins had performed that charitable
office that morning, and having a friend call upon her sent for the
beer, which defendant made her a present of.
The little girl and the defendant were called and bore out the statement
as to no money having been paid for the liquor.
Mr. Holden gave the decision of the Bench. He said they considered it a
suspicious case, and they did not like the idea of beer being sent out
on a Sunday morning during prohibited hours, but there was no evidence
that a sale had been effected, and therefore the case would be
dismissed. At the same time the constable was to be commended for having
done his duty.
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Folkestone Chronicle 20 May 1893.
Saturday, May 13th: Before Aldermen Sherwood and Pledge, Messrs. W.G.
Herbert, S.J. Penfold, J. Fitness and J. Holden.
George Warman, of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, was summoned for having
his house open for the sale of beer on Sunday, the 7th instant.
It was stated that the beer was given away, and the Bench, after hearing
the evidence, held there was no sale and dismissed the case.
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Folkestone Express 20 May 1893.
Saturday, May 13th: Before The Mayor, Alderman Sherwood and Pledge, W.G.
Herbert, S. Penfold, J. Fitness and J. Holden Esqs.
George Warman, of the Ship Inn, was summoned for having his house open
for the sale of liquor during prohibited hours on Sunday the 7th May.
Mr. Haines defended.
Sergt. Swift said at a quarter past eleven on Sunday 7th May, he was
near the Ship Inn and heard the door unbolted. It was opened by the
defendant, who looked out in an opposite direction to where witness was
standing, and then in the other direction. On seeing witness he put his
arm across the doorway as if to prevent someone leaving. A girl named
Haylor left with a jug of beer under her apron. He asked who served her
with it, and she replied “Mr. Warman”. Defendant said “Yes. I gave it to
her for her mother”. The girl took the beer to 67, Radnor Street – not
her mother's. A Mrs. Hopkins lived there.
By Mr. Haines: Although defendant saw me he allowed the girl to run out.
Mr. Haines: How do you know what was in the jug? – I tasted it.
(Laughter)
Mr. Haines: Sunday morning – very convenient. (Laughter)
The girl was called, and said she was sent to the Ship Inn by Mrs.
Hopkins, between eleven and twelve, and asked Mr. Warman to let her have
a little beer – a quart if he would. Mr. Warman drew some beer into the
jug. She did not give him any money – she had none with her. She saw
Sergt. Swift outside. He asked her what she had there, and she said
“Some beer”. He put his finger in and tasted it. She took it to her
mother's and she told her to take it to Mrs. Hopkins's.
Mr. Haines contended that there was no sale of beer, but it was given as
an act of kindness. Mrs. Warman was ill, and the neighbours had done
defendant's cooking for him. They did not care to take money payments.
The defendant had no idea that he was doing anything wrong.
Defendant went into the box and gave evidence in support of this
statement. It was only in acknowledgement of the services Mrs. Hopkins
had rendered his wife that he sent the beer. He did not intend to charge
anything for it.
The Bench dismissed the case, holding that there was no evidence of a
sale. But Mr. Holden said they considered it was a suspicious case, and
they did not like the idea of beer being sent out on a Sunday morning.
They commended the sergeant for his action.
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Folkestone Up To Date 20 May 1893.
Hall Of Justice.
The Magistrates sat on Saturday to administer justice and carry out
those duties to which they are appointed by direct commission by Her
Majesty.
Mr. George Warman, a licensed victualler, was charged, on the
information of Sergeant Swift, with having his house open for the sale
of intoxicating liquors on Sunday last at 10.15 a.m.
Sergeant Swift deposed that he heard the bolt of the door move and saw
Mr. Warman come out and look up and down the street, and then a little
girl came out with a jug containing beer. He asked her, in the presence
of Warman, what she had got there, and who served her. Mr. Warman said
he had given it to her out of kindness for her mother.
Mr. Haines, who appeared for the defence, cross-examined Sergt. Swift,
and asked him how he knew it was beer, to which he replied that he had
tasted it. He further asked whether he saw any money pass. Sergt. Swift
said he did not.
The next witness was a little girl, who deposed that she was sent to Mr.
Warman's by a Mrs. Sanders for some beer. Mrs. Sanders did not give her
any money, and did not tell her how much to fetch.
In answer to Mr. Haines, she said that Mr. Warman did not make any
effort of concealment when he saw the policeman.
Mr. Haines addressed the Bench for the defence, and he asked for the
case to be dismissed on the grounds that there was no sale. He intimated
that Mrs. Warman had been ill for a considerable time, and that they had
been unable to do any cooking in the house, but that the neighbours,
acting in kindness, had cooked many articles of food at their own homes
for Mrs. Warman, for which they would not take any remuneration in the
shape of money. That the lady who had sent the little girl for the beer
had, on Sunday morning, cooked a sole and sent it in for Mrs. Warman.
Mr. Warman had offered to pay for this act of kindness, but the lady
would not take any money, but at 11 o'clock in the morning she sent the
little girl, who was in the habit of minding her children, down to Mr.
Warman's to ask him for a little beer. Mr. Haines said that he should
establish his defence, by proving these facts, that it was no sale, but
a neighbourly act of kindness in return for an act of kindness, and he
would ask their Worships to consider the matter.
Mr. Holden, who presided, announced that the Bench considered it a very
suspicious case, but they had decided to dismiss it for the want of
evidence. He said that beer should not be carried about the streets at
that time in the morning, and thought that great credit was due to Sergt.
Swift for bringing the matter forward.
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Folkestone Chronicle 16 September 1893.
Local News.
Not many hours had elapsed since the Town Hall was occupied by a gay and
brilliant company who were enjoying the pleasures of the terpsichorean
art, when a gathering of a very different nature took place within it's
walls at eleven o'clock on Wednesday morning. In the short space which
had elapsed the Hall had been denuded of all it's tasty decorations and
luxurious appointments, and had put on it's everyday appearance for the
transaction of the business of the Special Licensing Session, which had
been appointed for the purpose of dealing with the licenses to which
notice of opposition had been given by the police.
At the end of the Hall, backed by high red baize screens, raised seats
had been arranged for the accommodation of the Licensing Justices. Here
at eleven o'clock the chair was taken by Mr. J. Clark, ho was
accompanied on the Bench by Alderman Pledge, Messrs. Holden, Hoad,
Fitness, Davey, Poole, and Herbert.
Immediately in front of the Bench were tables for the accommodation of
Counsel and other members of the legal profession, while in close
proximity were seats for Borough Magistrates who were not members of the
Licensing Committee, and for the brewers and agents interested in the
cases that were to occupy the attention of the Bench. The body of the
Hall was well filled with members of the trade and the general public,
whilst there was quite an array of members of the police force who were
present to give evidence.
Objection to a Temperance Magistrate.
Mr. Glyn, barrister, who, with Mr. Bodkin, appeared in support of the
opposed licenses, made an objection at the outset against Mr. Holden
occupying a seat on the Bench. Mr. M. Bradley (solicitor, Dover), who
appeared on behalf of the Temperance Societies, rose to address the
Bench on the point, but an objection was taken on the ground that he had
no locus standi. The Magistrates retired to consider this matter, and on
their return to the court they were not accompanied by Mr. Holden, whose
place on the Committee was taken by Mr, Pursey.
Mr. Glyn's Opening.
Mr. Glyn said he had consulted with the Superintendent of Police, and
had agreed to take first the case of the Queen's Head. He accordingly
had to apply for the renewal of the licence. The Queen's Head was
probably known by all the gentlemen on the Bench as an excellent house.
The licence had been held for a considerable number of years, and the
present tenant had had it since 1889. It was a valuable property, worth
some £1,500, and the tenant had paid no less than £305 valuation on
entering the house. He need hardly tell the Bench that the licence was
granted a great many years ago by their predecessors, and it had been
renewed from time to time until the present. The Superintendent of
Police was now objecting on the ground that it was not required, and
that it was kept disorderly. With regard to the objection of the
Superintendent to all these licenses, he (Mr. Glyn) thought he would
admit when he went into the box that it was not an objection he was
making on his own grounds, but an objection made in pursuance of
instructions received from some of the members of the Licensing
Committee. Of course a very nice question might arise as to whether
under the circumstances the requirements of the section had been
complied with, and as to the Superintendent acting, if he might say so,
as agent for some of the justices had no locus standi at all to oppose
these licenses. The Superintendent of Police, in his report, states that
he raised these objections “in pursuance of instructions received from
the Magistrates”. Therefore, those gentlemen who gave those instructions
were really in this position: That having themselves directed an enquiry
they proposed to sit and adjudicate upon it. He knew there was not a
single member of that Bench who would desire to adjudicate upon any case
which he had pre-judged by directing that the case should be brought
before him for that particular purpose, and he only drew their attention
to the matter. He did not suppose it would be the least bit necessary to
enquire into it, because he felt perfectly sure, on the grounds he was
going to put before the Bench, that they would not refuse to renew any
one of these licenses. But he thought it right to put these facts before
them, in order, when they retired, that they might consider exactly what
their position was.
There was another thing, and it applied to all these applications. There
was not a single ratepayer in the whole of this borough who had been
found to oppose the renewal of any of the licenses. The first ground of
objection was that the licenses were not required. He repeated that no
ratepayer could be found who was prepared to come before the Bench and
raise such a point. No notice had been given by anybody except by the
Superintendent, who had given it acting upon the instructions of the
Bench.
He understood that even the Watch Committee, which body one generally
thought would be expected to get the ball rolling, had declined to have
anything to do with the matter, and had declined to sanction any legal
advice for the purpose of depriving his clients of what was undoubtedly
their property. He ventured to say, with some little experience of these
matters, that there never was a case where licenses were taken away on
the ground that they were not required, simply because some of the
learned Magistrates thought the matter ought to be brought before them,
without any single member of the public raising any objection to any of
the licenses, and the Watch Committee not only keeping perfectly quiet,
but declining to enter into the contest.
He was dealing with the case of the Queen's Head, but his remarks would
also apply to the others, with the exception of the cases of three
beer-houses, the licenses of which were granted before the passing of
the 1869 Act, and his client was, therefore, absolutely entitled to a
renewal. With regard to the other licenses, they were granted a great
many years ago. Although at that time the population of the Borough was
about half of what it is now the Magistrates thought they were required
then. They had been renewed from time to time since then, and were the
Magistrates really to say that licenses which were required for a
population of 12,000 were not necessary for a population of 25,000? He
ventured to say, if such an argument were raised by the other side, that
it was an absurdity. He should ask the Bench to consider first, and if
they formed an opinion on it it would save time, whether having regard
to the fact that all the licenses were granted a great many years ago
when the population was nothing what like it is now, and also that there
had not been a single conviction since the renewals last year. They were
prepared to refuse the renewal of any of the licenses. He asked them to
decide upon that point, because it decided the whole thing.
Some of the objections were only raised on the ground that the licenses
were not required; others referred to the fact that there had been
previous convictions, or that the houses had been kept in a disorderly
manner. With regard to any conviction before the date of the last
renewal he contended that the Bench had, by making the renewal, condoned
any previous offence. In not one single instance had there been a
conviction during the past year in respect of one of the houses for
which he asked for a renewal, and he ventured to put to the Bench what
he understood to be an elementary principle of British justice, that
they would not deprive the owner of his property simply because it was
suggested that the house had not been properly conducted, and where that
owner had never had an opportunity of appearing before the Bench in
answer to any charge which had been brought against his tenant. He
challenged anybody to show that there was a single case in any Bench
where a license had been taken away after renewal without there being a
criminal charge made against that house, but only a general charge to
the Licensing Committee.
Mr. Bodkin, who followed, reminded the Bench of their legal position
with regard to the renewal of licenses, and quoted the judgement of Lord
Halsbury in the case of Sharpe v Wakefield, in which he said in cases
where a licence had already been granted, unless some change during the
year was proved, they started with the fact that such topics as the
requirements of the neighbourhood had already been considered, and one
would not expect that those topics would be likely to be re-opened.
Continuing, Mr. Bodkin said that was exactly the position they were in
that morning. There had been no change with respect to these houses
except that Folkestone had increased in population, and there had been
an absence of any legal proceedings against any of the persons keeping
these houses. He ventured to say it would be inopportune at the present
time to take away licenses where they found the change had been in
favour of renewing them.
Mr. Minter said he appeared for the tenants of the houses, and he
endorsed everything that had fallen from his two learned friends, who
had been addressing them on behalf of the owners. Mr. Glyn referred to
the population having increased twofold since the licenses were granted,
and he (Mr. Minter) would point out that while the population had
increased no new licenses had been granted for the past twelve years.
Mr. Minter then referred to the fact that there was not a single record
on the licenses of any one of the tenants. Was there any argument he
could use stronger than that? As to the objection that the houses were
not required for the public accommodation, he was prepared to show, by
distinct evidence, that each tenant had been doing a thriving business
for the last four or five years, and that it did not decrease. How was
it possible, in the face of that, to say they were not required for the
public accommodation?
Mr. Bradley then claimed the right to address the Bench on behalf of the
Temperance Societies, but an objection was raised by his legal opponents
that he had no locus standi, as he had given no notice of his intention
to appear, and this contention was upheld by the Bench.
The Bench then retired for a consultation with their Clerk on the points
raised in the opening, and on their return to the Court the Chairman
said the Magistrates had decided where there were allegations of
disorderly conduct the cases must be limited to during the year, and no
cases prior to the licensing meeting last year would be gone into. They
thought it was right that the Superintendent should state the cases that
they might be gone into, and that the Bench might know what the
objections were.
The Ship.
Sergeant Swift said there were seven licensed houses within 100 paces of
the Ship. On the 7th May he was present at the Police Court when George
Warman was summoned for selling during prohibited hours.
Mr. Glyn: There is no notice given for any objection but that it was not
required.
Mr. Taylor said the house was situated in Radnor Street, where there
were eight other licensed houses.
Mr. Glyn said this was a very old established house, and the present
tenant had been there since 1884.
Benjamin Henry Flint, of the firm Flint and Sons, the owners of the
Ship, said the house was valued at £1,100. The tenant was doing a very
steady business of seven barrels a week.
Warman, the tenant, went into the witness box and, in answer to Mr.
Minter, said he was a fisherman and had a connection with that class.
During the last five years the fishing boats at Folkestone had increased
more than a third in number.
A Doctrine Of Confiscation.
This concluded the list of objections, and Mr. Glyn addressed the Bench,
saying the result of the proceedings was that with regard to all the
houses, except the Tramway, there was no serious charge of any kind. As
to the Tramway, he challenged anybody to show that any Bench of Justices
had ever refused to grant licenses unless the landlords had had notices,
or unless there had been a summons and a conviction against the tenant
since the last renewal. With regard to the other houses the only
question was whether they were wanted or not. Superintendent Taylor,
who, he must say, had conducted the cases most fairly and most ably, had
picked out certain houses, and he asked the Bench to deprive the owners
of their property and the tenants of their interest in respect of those
houses, while the other houses were to remain. How on earth were the
Bench to draw the line? There were seven houses in one street, and the
Superintendent objected to four, leaving the other three. In respect to
one of these there had been a conviction, and in respect of the others
none. Why was the owner of one particular house to keep his property,
and the others to be deprived of theirs? Mr. Glyn enforced some of his
previous arguments, and said if the Bench deprived his clients of their
property on the grounds that had been put forward they would be adopting
a doctrine of confiscation, and setting an example to other Benches in
the county to do the same.
The Decision.
The Bench adjourned for an hour, and on their return to the Court the
Chairman announced that the Magistrates had come to the decision that
all the licenses would be granted with the exception of that of the
Tramway Tavern.
Mr. Glyn thanked the Bench for the careful attention they had given to
the cases, and asked whether, in the event of the owners of the Tramway
Tavern wishing to appeal, the Magistrates' Clerk would accept service.
Mr. Bradley: Yes.
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Folkestone Express 16 September 1893.
Adjourned Licensing Session.
The special sitting for the hearing of those applications for renewals
to which the Superintendent of Police had give notice of opposition was
held on Wednesday. The Magistrates present were Messrs. J. Clark, J.
Hoad, W.H. Poole, W.G. Herbert, J. Fitness, J.R. Davy, J. Holden, C.J.
Pursey and J. Pledge.
Mr. Lewis Glyn and Mr. Bodkin supported the applications on behalf of
the owners, instructed by Messrs. Mowll and Mowll, with whom were Mr.
Minter, Mr. F. Hall, and Mr. Mercer (Canterbury), and Mr. Montagu
Bradley (Dover) opposed on behalf of the Good Templars.
Before the business commenced, Mr. Bradley handed to Mr. Holden a
document, which he carefully perused, and then handed to Mr. J. Clark,
the Chairman.
Mr. Glyn, who appeared for the applicants, speaking in a very low tone,
made an application to the Bench, the effect of which was understood to
be that the Justices should retire to consider the document. The
Justices did retire, and on their return Mr. Holden was not among them.
Mr. Glyn then rose to address the Bench. He said he would first make
formal application for the renewal of the licence of the Queen's Head.
It was known to all the gentlemen on the Bench as an excellent house,
and the licence had been held for a considerable number of years. The
present tenant had held it since 1887; it's value was £1,500, and the
present tenant had paid no less than £305 for valuation for going into
the house. The licence was granted a great many years ago, and had been
renewed from time to time. The Superintendent of Police now opposed on
the ground that it was no longer required and was kept in a disorderly
manner. First, with regard to the objections of the Superintendent, he
thought he would admit when he came into the box that it was not he who
was making the objections to all those licenses, but that they were made
in consequence of instructions received from some members of the
Licensing Committee. Of course in his view, and in their view, a very
serious question might arise, whether the Licensing Committee had any
locus standi. His general observations in that case would apply to all
the cases. The Superintendent, in raising those objections, was acting
under instructions from the Licensing Magistrates, so that they were
really in this position, that they were sitting to adjudicate in a case
they themselves directed. He felt certain the Bench would not refuse to
renew one of those licenses, but he thought it right to put the facts
before them, in order that when they retired they might consider what
their position was. He also pointed out that there was not a single
ratepayer objecting to any of the renewals. The first ground of
objection was that the houses were not required. Before going further he
referred to the very important action of the Watch Committee, who were
the parties one would expect to put the law in action. But they declined
to have anything to do with it, and declined to sanction any legal
advice to the Superintendent for the purpose of depriving his clients of
what undoubtedly was their property. He ventured to think that in all
his large experience in these matters that there never was a case where
a licence was taken away simply because it was not required, or simply
because some of the learned Magistrates thought it ought to be done and
instructed the Superintendent to raise objections. There were two or
three of the houses existing before 1869, and therefore his clients were
entitled to a renewal of their licenses, there having been no
convictions against them during the year. With regard to the other
licenses, they were granted a great many years ago, at a time when th
population of this borough was about half what it is now, and the
Magistrates then thought they were required. They had been renewed from
time to time by that body, and were they willing to say now that they
were not required, and deprive the owners and tenants of their property
and of their licenses? There was not a single Bench in the county,
which, up to the present time, had deprived any one tenant of his
licence and his property, simply because a suggestion had been made that
it was not required. There had been one case in the county two years
ago, but the party appealed to the Court of Quarter Sessions, and that
Court said the licence ought to be granted. It would be very unfair to
his clients, several of whom had spent large sums of money on their
property, to refuse a renewal of their licenses, especially having
regard to the fact that they were granted a great many years ago, and
against which there had not been a single conviction during the year. In
order to save time, he put two questions before the Magistrates:- first,
were they prepared to deprive the owners and tenants of their property,
and secondly, the licenses having all been renewed since any conviction
had taken place, were they prepared to deprive the owners of their
property without their having an opportunity and investigating the
charges brought against them. It would save a great deal of time if the
Bench would consider those two points.
Mr Bodkin followed with a few supplementary remarks. He referred to the
case of “Sharpe v Wakefield”, in which the decision had been given that
a licence, whether by way of renewal or whether it was an annual matter
to be considered year by year, and not renewed as of right. He quoted
from the remarks of Lord Halsbury, who seemed to consider that in
dealing with renewals they ought not to deal with them exactly in the
same way as in new applications. He dwelt upon the fact that last year
all the licenses were renewed, and that though no new licenses had been
granted for many years, the borough had increased in population, and
there had been an entire absence of legal proceedings against any of the
houses in the past year.
Mr. Minter, who appeared, he said, for the tenants, emphasised what had
fallen from the other two legal gentlemen, and said it would be
unnecessary for him to make any lengthy remarks. Mr. Glyn had referred
to the population having increased twofold since those licenses were
granted. There was another very important matter for consideration, and
it was this. That although the population had increased twofold since
the whole of those licenses were granted, during the last twelve years
no new licenses had been granted. Mr. Glyn had also referred to the
hardship on the owners if they lost their property, having regard to the
fact that there had been no conviction against the tenants during the
year, but in addition to that he desired to call attention to what was
the intention of the legislature. The legislature had provided that in
all cases where owners of licensed houses were brought before the Bench
and charged with any offence against the licensing laws, the Magistrates
had the power, if they deemed the offence was of sufficient importance,
to record that conviction on the licence. They could do that on a second
conviction, and on the third occasion the legislature said that the
licence should be gone altogether. He was happy to say there was no
record on any one of the licenses of the applicants, notwithstanding
that they might have been proceeded against and convicted before the
last annual licensing meeting. That showed they were of such trivial
account that the Magistrates considered, in the exercise of their
judgement, that it was not necessary to record it on the licence. Was
there any stronger argument to be used than that the Magistrates
themselves, although they felt bound to convict in certain cases, did
not record the conviction on the licence? He cordially agreed with the
suggestion of Mr. Glyn that the Magistrates should retire and consider
the suggestion he had made, and he thought they would come to the
conclusion that all the licenses should be renewed. There were cases
where the houses could claim renewals as a right, and in which he should
be able to show the licenses existed before 1869. That course would save
a great deal of time.
Mr. Montagu Bradley claimed to be heard on behalf of the Good Templars.
The Court held that Mr. Bradley had no locus standi, as he had not given
notice to the applicants that he was going to oppose.
Mr. Bradley thereupon withdrew.
The Magistrates again retired, and on their return the Chairman said the
Magistrates had decided that where it was a question of disorderly
conduct, it was to be limited to during the year just ended, and not to
go into questions prior to the annual licensing day of last year. They
thought it right that the cases should be gone into, in order that they
might know what the objections were.
Mr. Glyn enumerated the houses, and they were then gone into separately
in the following order:
The Ship, Radnor Street.
The only ground here was that the house was not required.
Sergeant Swift said there were seven licensed houses within 100 paces.
On the 7th May, 1893, he was present in the Police Court, when George
Warman was the tenant. (This was objected to as not in the notice).
Superintendent Taylor gave similar evidence in this case. In answer to
Mr. Glyn he said he did not know what trade the house did.
Mr. Glyn said the house did six to seven barrels a week, and was most
respectably conducted.
Benjamin Henry Flint, of the firm Flint and Sons, owners of the house,
said they acquired it in 1856. It was valued at £1,100. The present
tenant went in in 1884, and did a steady business.
George Warman said he had been a tenant of the house since 1884 and did
a good trade. He was a fish buyer and had a good connection. During the
last five years there were more boats in Folkestone than there used to
be and a great deal of foreign trade came in.
Mr. Glyn then addressed the Bench on the whole of the cases, and urged
that no Bench had ever refused a licence where there had been no
complaint or conviction. He said the Superintendent had conducted the
cases ably and fairly, but he had picked out several houses and asked
the Bench to refuse licenses to them. How, he asked, could they do so?
It would be very nice for the owners of other houses, no doubt. He
emphasised his remarks that no Bench in the county had refused a licence
on the ground that it was not wanted. Nothing had occurred in the
neighbourhood to alter the position of things, yet Folkestone was asked,
as it were, to set an example to other boroughs in the county, and to
confiscate his clients' licenses, when there was no ground whatever for
that confiscation. It was not a small matter. It was not a question of
£15. The lowest value was put at £800. The ground of objection was
merely that the licenses were not wanted, although they had been in
existence many years, and the owners had spent large sums of money on
the houses on the faith of the licenses which the justices' predecessors
had granted, and which they themselves had renewed. The population had
largely increased, and the Magistrates had refused to grant fresh
licenses because they thought there were sufficient. He ventured to
submit that they would not do what other Benches had refused to do, and
deprive his clients of their property. They looked to the Magistrates to
protect their property and their interests. If there had been any strong
views in operation against the licenses among the public, it would be
different. But they had not expressed any such views. There was the
Watch Committee, the proper authority to raise those points, who had
declined to support the objection, which came from a member of their
body, who was not present, and who had not taken part in the
proceedings. He asked them, without any fear of the result, to say that
under all the circumstances they were not going to deprive his clients
of their licenses.
There was some applause when Mr. Glyn finished his speech.
The Justices then adjourned for an hour to consider all the cases.
On their return Mr. J. Clark, the Chairman, said: The Magistrates have
had this question under consideration, and they have come to the
decision that all the licenses be granted, with the exception of the
Tramway Tavern. (Applause)
Mr. Glyn said he need hardly say they were much obliged to the Chairman
and his brother Magistrates for the care they had given the matter. With
regard to the Tramway Tavern, he asked if they would allow him, in the
event of the owners deciding to appeal, which it was probable they would
do, to serve the notice on their Clerk.
Mr. Bradley said there was no objection to that.
Mr. Glyn said his friends felt they ought to acknowledge the very fair
manner in which Superintendent Taylor had conducted those proceedings.
The business then terminated.
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Folkestone Herald 16 September 1893.
Editorial.
The large audience who crowded into the Licensing Justices' Court at the
Town Hall on Wednesday last were evidently representative of the
interests of the liquor trade in this Borough. Every stage of the
proceeding was watched with the closest attention, and it was impossible
not to recognise the prevalent feeling that a mistake had been committed
in objecting wholesale to the renewal of licenses. Thirteen houses in
all were objected to, but as two of them, through a technical point of
law, were entitled to a renewal, there remained eleven as to which the
Justices were asked to exercise their discretionary powers. In the
event, after a long hearing, and a weighty exposition of law and equity,
the decision of the tribunal resulted in the granting of ten of these
eleven licenses and the provisional extinction of one, as to which, no
doubt, there will be an appeal. As this journal is not an organ of the
trade, and as, on the other hand, it is not inspired by the
prohibitionists, we are in a position to review the proceedings from an
unprejudiced and dispassionate standpoint. At the outset, therefore, we
must express our disapproval of the manner in which the cases of those
thirteen houses have been brought up for judicial consideration. It was
rather unfortunate that a Magistrate who is so pronounced a Temperance
advocate as Mr. Holden should have taken a prominent part in having
those houses objected to. We say nothing of his official rights; we only
deprecate the manner in which he has exercised his discretion. We think
it likely to do more harm than good to the Temperance cause, inasmuch as
it savours of partiality if not persecution. We also think that Mr.
Holden would have done well not to have taken his seat on the Licensing
Bench. It would be impossible to persuade any licence holder that the
trade could find an unbiased judge in the person of a teetotal
Magistrate. Conversely, it would be impossible to persuade a Temperance
advocate that a brewer or a wine merchant could be capable of passing an
unbiased judgement upon any question involving the interests of those
engaged in the liquor traffic. The presence of Mr. Holden on the Bench
was not allowed to pass without protest. Counsel for the owners handed
in a written document, the Justices retired to consider it in private,
and as the result of that consultation Mr. Holden did not resume the
seat he had originally taken. The legal and other arguments urged by the
learned Counsel for the owners and the tenants are fully set out in our
report. We attach special importance to one contention, which was urged
with a degree of earnestness that made a deep impression in Court, and
will make a deeper impression outside. All these houses, be it
remembered, had had a renewal of licence at the annual licensing meeting
held last year. At that date the discretionary power of the Court had
been as firmly established in law as it is at the present moment. At
that date whatever laxity had taken place during the previous year in
respect of the conduct of any one of those thirteen houses had been
condoned by the renewal of the licence. At that date the congestion of
public houses in particular parts of the town was as notorious as it is
now, and nothing had happened in the interval to change in any material
degree the general circumstances which prevailed in 1892 when the
licences were renewed. In no single case out of the thirteen has there
been a conviction recorded on the licence since the licenses were
renewed in 1892, and under these circumstances it was argued by Counsel
that to extinguish any one of these licences would amount to an act of
confiscation. There can be no pretence for saying, therefore, that the
objections raised this year to the renewal of the licences originated in
the laches of the tenants themselves. They had their origin with either
the Bench as a whole or a section of the Bench, and it was at the
instance of the whole body or of a section of the Justices that the
chief officer of police was instructed to report upon the question. So
far as the ordinary course of police supervision was concerned the
houses, with one solitary exception, appeared to have had a clear
record, there being no conviction for any infraction of the Licensing
Acts. It therefore savoured of persecution to arraign the whole of these
thirteen houses and to press against them the argument that they are not
required by the population, although last year the Justices, by renewal
of the licenses, had decided that they were. Under these circumstances
it was rather unfair to throw upon the Superintendent of Police the
onerous and invidious duty of making the best case he could in support
of the objections. It is only right to say that the fair and
straightforward manner in which that officer discharged the duty
elicited the commendation of everybody in Court – Bench, advocates, and
general audience. Ultimately the Justices renewed all the licenses, with
the exception of that of the Tramway Tavern, and on this case their
decision will be reviewed by an appellate court. The impression which
all these cases have created, and will leave on the public mind, is that
the Temperance party have precipitated a raid upon the liquor shops, and
that in doing so they have defeated their own object. Persecution and
confiscation are words abhorrent to Englishmen. The law fences the
publican round with restrictions and penalties in abundance, but in teh
present case the houses had not come overtly within the law. To shut up
the houses would therefore savour of confiscation, although in strict
law the licence is deemed to be terminable from year to year. In the
result the victory lies with the trade, and the ill-advised proceedings
against a whole batch of houses have created a degree of sympathy for
the owners and tenants which was given expression by the suppressed
cheers that were heard on Wednesday at the close of the investigations.
Licensing.
It will be remembered that on the 23rd ult. the Justices adjourned until
the 13th inst. the hearing of objections to the renewal of the following
licensed houses – Granville, British Colours, Folkestone Cutter,
Tramway, Royal George, Oddfellows (Radnor Street), Cinque Ports, Queen's
Head, Wonder, Ship, Harbour, Jubilee, Victoria – thirteen in all. These
cases were taken on Wednesday last at the Town Hall, the large room
having been transformed for the purpose into a courtroom. The Justices
were Messrs. Clarke, Hoad, Pledge, Holden, Fitness, Poole, Herbert,
Davy, Pursey, with the Justices' Clerk (Mr. Bradley, solicitor).
Mr. Glyn, and with him Mr. Bodkin, instructed by Messrs. Mowll and Mowll,
of Dover, appeared on gehalf of the owners of the property affected; Mr.
Minter, solicitor, appeared for the tenants; Mr. Montague Bradley,
solicitor, Dover, appeared on behalf of the Folkestone Good Templars,
Sons of Temperance, Rechabites, and the St. John's Branch of the Church
Temperance Society. Mr. Superintendent Taylor, Chief Constable of the
borough, conducted the case for the police authorities without any legal
assistance.
Mr. Glyn, at the outset, said: I appear with my learned friend, Mr.
Bodkin, in support of all these licences except in the case of the Royal
George, for the owner of which my friend Mr. Minter appears. Before you
commence the proceedings I should like you to consider an objection
which I have here in writing, and which I do not desire to read. I would
ask if you would retire to consider it before proceeding with the
business.
Mr. Montague Bradley: I appear on behalf of some Temperance societies in
Folkestone.
Mr. Glyn: I submit, sir, that this gentleman has no locus standi.
The Justices now retired to a private room, and after about ten minutes
in consultation all the Justices except Mr. Holden returned into Court.
It was understood that the objection had reference to the appearance of
Mr. Holden as an adjudicating Magistrate, that gentleman being a strong
Temperance advocate.
Mr. Glyn then proceeded to say: Now, sir, it might be convenient if you
take the Queen's Head first, and I have formally to apply for the
renewal of the licence of the Queen's Head. That is a house which is
well known by everybody, and by all you gentlemen whom I have the honour
of addressing, as a most excellent house. The licence has been held for
a very considerable number of years, and the present tenant has had it
since 1889. It is worth £1,500, and the present tenant paid no less than
£305 valuation when he entered that house. I need hardly tell you that
the licence was granted a great many years ago by your predecessors and
it has been renewed from time to time until now, when the Superintendent
of Police has objected on the grounds that the house is not required and
that it is kept in a disorderly manner. As to the objection made by the
Superintendent, for whom I in common with all others have the highest
possible respect, I think he will admit that the objection in not made
of his own motion but that it is made in pursuance of instructions
received from some members of the Licensing Committee. Of course the
point has occurred to my learned friend and myself, and it is a very
nice one, whether under those circumstances the requirements of the
Section had been complied with, and as to whether, the Superintendent
having really been acting as agent for the Justices, he had any locus
standi at all to oppose these licences. I must leave that to your body,
guided as you will be by your most able Clerk. He knows the Section
better than I do. He knows under what circumstances and objection can be
raised, and that it must be done in open Court and not introduced in the
way these objections have been raised. These observations apply to the
whole of these renewals, and you will find in this case, sir, indeed in
all these cases, that the Superintendent of Police in raising these
objections has been raising them, as he says in his report, in pursuance
of instructions he received from the Magistrates; therefore those
gentlemen who formed that body and who give the Superintendent these
instructions are really in this position, if I may so put it to them
with humility, of people complaining, by having themselves directed an
inquiry, upon which inquiry they propose to sit, and, as I understand,
to adjudicate. Now, sir, I know from some long occasional experiences of
this Bench that there is not a single member of this Bench who desires
to adjudicate upon any case which he had prejudged by directing that the
case should be brought before him for a particular purpose, and I only
draw your attention to these matters because I am perfectly certain that
on the grounds I am going to place before you this Bench will not refuse
to renew any of these licences. I think it right, after very careful
attention, to put those facts before you in order that when you retire
you will consider exactly what your position is. There is another thing
I ought to say which applies to all these applications. There is not a
single person, not a single ratepayer, in all this borough – and I don't
know exactly what the numbers are, but they are very considerable – but
there is not a single ratepayer who has been found to object to the
renewal of any of these licences. Anyone would have a right to do it if
he chose, and I feel certain that the Justices will think that where
none of the outside public care to object, this Bench will not deprive
the owners and tenants of their property simply because they themselves
think that the matter ought to be brought before them, as I understand
has happened in this case, for adjudication. Now, let us see the first
ground of objection in respect of all these licences. The first ground
in respect of each of these licences is that the licence is not needed,
and I desire to make a few observations on that. I repeat that no
ratepayer can be found here who is prepared to come before the Bench and
raise this point. No notice has been given by anybody except by my
friend the Superintendent, who has told us in his report that he has
been acting upon the instructions of the Bench. But, sir, there is
another and very important matter. I understand that in the Watch
Committee, which one generally thought would be expected to get the ball
rolling, if it is to be rolled at all – if, as my friend suggests, there
is any public opinion upon it that these licences are not required – the
Watch Committee has actually been approached in this case, that is to
say, by some gentlemen connected with the Corporation. I don't know
whether it is any of the gentlemen I have the honour of addressing, but
they have declined to have anything to do with it or to sanction any
such device for the purpose of depriving my clients of what is
undoubtedly their property. Therefore I venture to think, speaking with
some little experience, that there never was a case in which licences
were taken away simply because some of the learned Magistrates thought
that the matter ought to be brought before them, and instructed the
Superintendent to do so. Now, sir, I am dealing with the Queen's Head,
but among the licences are some beerhouses that existed before the
passing of the Act of 1869, and the owner is therefore entitled to
renewal, for although notice of objection has been given on the ground
of disorderly conduct there has been a renewal, and that renewal has
condoned any misconduct there might have been. Therefore these houses
are absolutely entitled to renewal. Now, sir, with regard to these
licences that were granted a great many years ago. Of course at that
time, when the population of the borough was about half of what it is
now, the Magistrates then thought they were required. Those licences
have been renewed from time to time by your body, and are you really to
say now that although these, or some of these, licences were granted
when the number of inhabitants was 12,000, whereas it is now 25,000 –
these licences were not required or are not necessary for more than
double the original population? I venture to say that such an argument
reduces the thing to absurdity. Of course I know, with regard to these
houses, that in this case the Magistrates are clothed with authority, if
they choose to deprive the owners and tenants of their property, if they
think the licences are not required. But you will allow me to point this
out to the Bench, that there is not a single Bench in this County – I am
glad to be able to say – who yet have deprived an owner or tenant of his
property simply because a suggestion has been thrown out. That is at any
rate the case as far as Kent is concerned. It was done at one Bench in
this County, but when it came on appeal at the Quarter Sessions they
upset the decision of the Magistrates who had refused the renewal of the
licence on that ground. This is the only instance I know, and I am sure
that I am right, where a Bench in this County had been found to deprive
an owner of his property which you are asked to do in this way, and a
tenant of his livelihood. I venture to express my views, and I am sure
that all the Bench will coincide with me, that it would be very unfair
in such cases, when owners – whether brewers or private individuals –
have paid large sums of money in respect of licensed houses, when those
licences have been renewed from year to year, when the tenants have paid
large sums in respect of valuation, and some of them have been tenants
for many years and have gained a respectable livelihood in this business
– it would be very unfair to deprive the owners and tenants of their
property without giving them compensation of any kind for being turned
adrift. That brings me again to a consideration I must bring before you,
that these licences were granted at a time when the population of the
borough was about half what it is now; but now you are asked to say that
the licences are not required when the population has become twice as
much as it was when the licences were originally granted. Perhaps my
friend Mr. Minter will coincide with me that if you should consider this
point in the first place and form an opinion on it, it would save a
great deal of time. It is now a question as to whether you are, under
those circumstances, prepared to refuse the renewal of any of these
licences, having regard to the fact that there has not been a single
conviction since the last renewal. Having regard to the fact that these
licences were granted so long ago and have been renewed from time to
time, having regard to the fact that there has been no conviction in the
case of any one of them during the present year, and that if any offence
had been committed prior to the last renewal it was condoned by that
renewal – are you going to deprive the owners and tenants of their
property? Now, I only desire to say another word. Some of these
objections are made on the ground that the licences are not required;
others refer to the fact that here have been previous convictions or
that the houses have not been kept in an orderly way. Of course we shall
hear what the Superintendent says, and we know that he would be
perfectly fair to all sides, but I want to make a general observation
about it, and it is this; whether or not these houses have been
disorderly. As to that I think you would say that inasmuch as in any
case where there has been a previous conviction and you had renewed the
licence, that renewal condoned any previous offence. It clearly is so,
and if there had been any offence committed since the renewal we should
have to consider what was the class of offence which had been committed.
But that does not apply in this case. In no single instance has there
been a conviction in respect to any of the houses which Mr. Minter and
myself ask for the renewal of the licence, and I am going to put to you
what I understand to be an elementary proposition of law, that you would
not deprive an owner of his property because it is suggested that a
house has not been properly conducted where that owner has never had an
opportunity of appearing before the Bench or instructing some counsel or
solicitor to appear before the Bench in answer to any charge under the
Act of Parliament which had been brought against his tenant. If there
had been any charge in respect of any of these houses since your last
renewal, the tenant would have been brought here, he would be entitled
to be heard by counsel, and the question would be thrashed out before
the Bench. That has not been done in any single case since you last
renewed the licences of these houses, and I am perfectly certain that no
Bench in this County, and no gentleman in Folkestone, would deprive an
owner of his property simply because it has been suggested that since
the last renewal a house has not been properly conducted, although no
charge has been made against the tenant, so that he might have a right
to put the the authorities to the proof of the charge. I am not aware of
such a case, and I challenge anybody to show that there has been any
single case before any Bench where a licence has been taken away after
renewal following a conviction when there has been no criminal charge
against that house, but only a general charge after the renewal. I
submit that you are not going to deprive the owners of their property
when there has been no charge of any kind investigated in this or any
other court against the holders of those licences, and if you would
retire and consider this point and give an answer upon it, it would save
us a deal of time.
Mr. Bodkin followed on the same side dealing with the legal questions
involved in the application.
Mr. Minter then addressed the Court as follows: I appear for the tenants
of these houses. The learned Counsel have been addressing you on behalf
of the owners, and though I cordially agree with everything that has
been said by them, it will be necessary for me to make a few
observations. Mr. Glyn referred to the population having increased
twofold since these licences were granted, but there is another very
important consideration, and that is this – that although the population
has increased twofold since the whole of these licences were granted,
within the last twelve years, I think I am right in saying that no new
licence has been granted. Not only were the licences now under
consideration granted when the population was half what it is now, but
there has been no increase in the number of licences since that period I
have named. The second point is with respect to the hardship which would
fall upon owners if a licence were refused on the ground of convictions
against the tenant. The learned Counsel has urged that it would be
unjust to take into consideration a conviction that took place prior to
the last annual licensing meeting, and you will feel the force of that
argument. What is the intention of the Legislature? The Legislature has
provided that in all cases where the tenants of licensed houses are
convicted of a breach of the Licensing Laws the Magistrates have power
to record that conviction on the licence, and on a third such conviction
the Legislature says that the licence shall be forfeited altogether.
Appearing on behalf of the tenants, I am happy to say that there is no
such record on the licence of any one of the applicants, and
notwithstanding that a conviction may have taken place prior to the last
annual licensing meeting, the conviction was of such a trivial character
that the Magistrates did not consider it necessary to record it on the
licence. Is there any argument to be used that is stronger than that
observation? You yourselves have decided that although you were bound to
convict in a certain case, it was not of a character that required the
endorsement of the licence, and after that conviction you renewed the
licence, and again on a subsequent occasion. One other observation
occurs to me, with regard to suggestions that have been put before you
by Mr. Glyn and Mr. Bodkin, and I entirely concur in what has been said
upon it. It is very pleasing to be before you, but I think it will be
pleasing to us and you will be as pleased yourselves if time can be
saved, and if you will only retire and take into consideration the
points which Mr. Glyn has suggested to you, I think you will come to the
conclusion that the applications should be granted, but I am excepting
the one or two cases in which I appear and in which I can claim as a
right to have the licence renewed as they existed before 1869, and
therefore these special cases do not arise on the notice served upon my
clients. I am sure you will not take offence if I put it in that way,
but if we have to go through each one of these cases, and I appear for
nine or ten, the tenants are all here and will have to go into the box
and be examined, and their evidence will have to be considered in
support of the application I have to make. Now let me call attention for
a moment to the notice of objection. You may dismiss from your mind the
previous conviction; the suggestion is that the houses are not required
for public accommodation. I am prepared in each case with evidence to
show that the public accommodation does require it, and the test is the
business that a house does. I am prepared to show by indisputable
evidence that the tenants has been doing a thriving business for the
last four or five years, that it has not decreased, and how is it
possible with that evidence before you to say that the licence is not
wanted? You may regret, possibly, that the number of houses is larger
than you like to see, but you would not refuse to entertain the
application made today unless you were satisfied that the houses were
not wanted for the public accommodation. I hope you will take the
suggestion of Mr. Glyn and that you will renew all the licences that are
applied for, particularly as there is not a single complaint against
them.
Mr. Montague Bradley: I claim the right to address the Bench.
Mr. Minter: I object.
Mr. Bodkin: My friend must prove his notice of objection.
Mr. M. Bradley: I should like Mr. Glyn to state the Section under which
he objects to my locus standi.
Mr. Glyn: I should like to know for whom my friend appears – by whom he
is instructed.
Mr. M. Bradley: I appear on behalf of Temperance Societies of Folkestone
– Good Templars and others.
Mr. Glyn: Now, sir, I submit beyond all doubt that the practice is
clear.
Mr. M. Bradley: I think, sir, that the question ought to be argued. I
should like to hear Mr. Glyn state his objection.
Mr. Minter: We have objected on the ground that you have not given
notice of objection.
Mr. Glyn: My friend should show his right – how he proposes to establish
his right.
Mr. M. Bradley referred to Section 42, subsection 2.
Eventually the Chairman said: Mr. Montague Bradley, the Bench are of
opinion that you have no locus standi.
Mr. M. Bradley: Very well, sir.
The Justices now retired to their room.
The Chairman on their return said: The Magistrates have decided that
where there is a case of disorderly conduct it is to be limited to
within the year, and that the Superintendent is not to go into any case
previous to the annual licensing day of last year. We think it right
that Superintendent should state these cases and that they should be
gone into in order that we may know what these objections are.
The cases not eliminated by this decision were then proceeded with,
seriatim, and are noticed below in the order in which they were called.
Proceeding, the Bench considered the case in regard to the Ship.
The only ground of objection, said Mr. Glyn, was that it was not
required.
Sergt. Swift's figures were again in evidence, and this time he found
within 100 paces of the Ship 7 licensed houses existed. On the 7th of
last May he was present at the police court when the tenant was
summoned, but Mr. Glyn submitted that on this ground no objection could
be lodged, as it was only on the ground that it was not required they
had received notice.
The Magistrates upheld this view, and after Superintendent Taylor had
repeated some statistics concerning Radnor Street, Mr. Glyn submitted
that the tenant was a most respectable man, that a fair and steady trade
was done, and that the house was properly conducted, notwithstanding it
was suggested that the house was not required and that the Bench should
deprive the owners of their property.
He called Mr. Benjamin Henry Flint, director of the firm Flint and Sons,
and assistant manager, who deposed that the firm acquired the house in
1856, and it was now in their books as of the value of £1,100. The
present tenant went in in 1884, and did a steady trade of some 6 to 7
barrels weekly.
George Warman, the tenant, also gave evidence, and in reply to Mr.
Minter said he was a fisherman and had a connection among fishermen.
During the last five years there was one third more fishing boats than
there was before, and they were visited by one foreign fishing boat
then. They had ten now. That increased the trade.
On the conclusion of the cases Mr. Glyn rose and said: The result of
these inquiries is, sir, that in respect to all the houses except the
Tramway Tavern there is no serious charge of any misconduct of any kind.
It is only in the case of the Tramway Tavern that a serious attack has
been made, and I have already addressed you as to the Tramway Tavern. If
the brewers had notice they might have had an opportunity of testing the
case, whether the house has been properly conducted or not, and I
challenge anybody to allege that any Bench of Justices in this County
other than the Bench I have alluded to have ever refused to grant the
renewal of a licence unless the landlord had had notice, or unless there
has been a summons or conviction against the tenant. I take that point,
sir. It is a technical point, but I have not the slightest doubt that it
is conclusive against the points raised. Now, with regard to the other
houses, except the beerhouses which have a positive right of renewal.
The only other question is whether the remaining houses are wanted or
not. The Superintendent of Police has conducted his case most fairly and
most ably indeed, and he picks out certain houses and asks the
Magistrates to deprive the owners of their property and the tenants of
their livelihood, and he asks that other houses may remain. How on earth
are you to draw the line? There are seven houses in one street, and how
can you deprive four of them of their licence, and grant the renewal of
licence to the other three? I must again put before you that no Bench of
Magistrates in this County have refused to renew a licence – with the
exception of the case which I put before you, and in that case they were
overruled – to any old licensed house on the ground on which you are
asked to refuse, viz., because it is suggested that the house is not
wanted. The County Magistrates, as well as the Magistrates in Boroughs,
have felt this, inasmuch as their predecessors in office have granted
licences upon the faith of which repairs have been done and expenditure
has been incurred, it would be unfair to take that property away unless
– as the late Lord Chancellor pointed out – something fresh had happened
to alter the neighbourhood since the time of the last renewal. It is not
suggested here that anything has occurred with respect to any one of
these houses in order to satisfy you that they should be taken away as
not being required, and I venture to submit that this Bench at any rate
would not adopt a policy of confiscation, for I cannot call it anything
else, and, as it were, set an example to other Benches in the County by
confiscating my clients' property in any of these cases, having regard
to the fact that they are old licences, having regard to the fact that
the population has increased twofold, and having regard to the fact that
nothing fresh, in the words of the Lord Chancellor, has arisen to induce
you to deprive the owners of the licences that were renewed last year. I
submit that you, gentlemen, will not be a party to the confiscation of
property. It is no small matter that you have to consider. It is not a
question of £10 or £15, for the lowest in value of the houses before you
today is £800, and the licences have been granted by your predecessors
and renewed by you. Your population has largely increased since those
licences were granted, and as my friend (Mr. Minter) has pointed out,
you have refused to grant any new licences, and under these
circumstances I venture to submit that you will not deprive my clients
of their property. My clients look to you to protect their property;
they have no other tribunal. If there had been any strong view in the
Borough against these licences the public would have expressed their
views by giving notice of opposition, but they have not done it, whereas
the Watch Committee, the proper body to raise these objections, have
declined to touch it. Where does the objection come from? It comes from
a member of your body, who has not taken part in these proceedings, but
who has suggested that the Superintendent of Police should give notice
in respect of these houses and have these cases brought before you. I
thank you very much for the kind way in which you have listened to my
observations and those of my friends, and without fear of the result I
am confident that you are not going to deprive my clients of their
licences, to which, I submit, the law entitles them. (Suppressed
applause in the body of the court.)
It being now 2.50, the Justices adjourned for an hour, returning into
court just before 4 o'clock.
The Chairman then said: The Magistrates have had this question under
consideration, and they have come to the decision that all the licences
be granted, with the exception of the Tramway Tavern. (Suppressed
applause)
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Licensing.
That the lot of the publican, like that of the policeman in the “Pirates
of Penzance”, is not over and above a happy one, must be conceded. There
is no business to which so many pains and penalties are attached, and to
embark in which a man must be prepared to go through so keen an enquiry
into his antecedents as well as his character at the time when he
applies for his licence; and in which he has at last, by the expenditure
of much time and money, obtained permission to sell, during certain
periods out of the twenty four hours fixed for him by a tender-hearted
legislature desirous that he should not overwork himself, he is so
heavily handicapped by the restrictions which surround him. In fact, the
proverbial toad under the harrow would seem to lead almost a pleasant
existence in comparison with unfortunate Mr. Boniface. His natural
enemy, the teetotaller, is ever on the alert to worry him, and, if
possible, to shut up his shop for him, totally careless at to the ruin
which may accrue to him and his family.
In pursuance of some of these tactics some of the members of the
Folkestone Licensing Committee a twelvemonth ago discovered all at once,
after a lapse of some fifteen years, that there are too many houses in
the town. How some few weeks back a prominent member of that Committee,
and a steadfast advocate of the Temperance movement, reverted to that
decision, and announced that if the brewers did not agree among
themselves as to what houses should be closed, the Committee would
forthwith proceed to act upon their own judgement, is all a matter of
history. Between the time when this announcement was made and the
licensing day proper, the Superintendent of Police, who does not seem to
have held any pronounced opinions as to the number of houses, drew up,
at the request of the Committee, an elaborate report upon that point,
showing that there were in the town 130 houses; and in consequence of it
he was directed to give notice to the owners and occupiers of thirteen
houses that they would be objected to at the adjourned session.
On Wednesday, the 13th, the Special Adjourned Session was held. The
Magistrates had wisely provided for the very great interest taken in the
question by holding the enquiry in the Town Hall, a great improvement on
the stuffy little apartment dignified by the name of a police court. As
soon as the doors were opened the body of the hall rapidly filled, the
trade, of course, being present in strong force, neighbouring towns also
being represented. The teetotallers also mustered pretty strongly, but
it may here be stated that Mr. Montagu Bradley, of Dover, who appeared
for them, was objected to, and the Bench ruled that he had no locus
standi; or in other words the Magistrates could decide the questions
that would be submitted to them without the interference of any outside
body. So Mr. Bradley politely took his leave shortly after the
commencement of the proceedings. A somewhat singular feature in
connection with them was the large force of police in attendance in the
Hall; probably the authorities anticipated some exhibition of feeling,
but none such took place, except early in the morning a working man
shouted out “How can you expect justice from that lot? They gave me
eighteen months for nothing”. He was speedily ejected, and the business
for the remainder of the day was conducted in the most orderly manner.
The Magistrates on the Bench were Messrs. Hoad, Pledge, Pursey, Herbert,
Davey, Clarke, Fitness, and Poole. Mr. Holden also took his seat, but in
deference to a written protest handed in by counsel for the owners he
retired. Mr. Glyn and Mr. Bodkin appeared for the owners, instructed by
Mr. Mowll, of Dover, Mr. F. Hall, Folkestone, and Mr. Mercer,
Canterbury; Mr. Minter, the solicitor for the Folkestone Licensed
Victuallers' Association, for the tenants.
Mr. Glyn first opened the proceedings in a temperate and exhaustive
speech, delivered quite in the best Nisi Prius style, argumentative and
without an attempt at claptrap or sensational appeal. It was a capital
forensic effort, and afforded unmitigated pleasure to the Licensed
Victuallers themselves, whilst we fancy, from the somewhat lengthened
faces of the opponents of the licenses, they must have felt at it's
conclusion that the ground had been cut from under them. There was just
the faintest attempt at applause when the learned counsel sat down, but
this, the only manifestation of feeling throughout the day, was speedily
suppressed in the call for silence.
The Superintendent of Police supported his own objections – or rather
the objections of the Committee – in person. Armed with a voluminous
brief he made the best of a weak case, but evidently it was not a labour
of love to him.
Mr. Bodkin's work was chiefly confined to the examination of witnesses,
and those who attentively followed him could not have failed being
struck with the fact that not an unnecessary question was put to a
single witness.
Mr. Glyn based his arguments upon three general grounds, which he
applied to all the cases collectively. The first was that this
opposition did not emanate from the police. The Superintendent had no
grounds for complaint, but was acting under the direction of certain
members of the Bench. How far that was approved of generally was
evidenced by the fact that the Watch Committee refused to grant him
legal assistance in opposing these licenses. The objection urged against
them was that they were not required. Now, up to the present time not a
Bench in the county of Kent had been found to deprive an owner of his
property or a tenant of his livelihood because someone chose to say a
house was not necessary. But what were the facts in the present case?
Why, that all these licenses were granted a dozen years ago, and if they
were thought requisite when the population was only half what it was at
present, surely they could not say they were not required now. Secondly,
some of these houses had been objected to as not having been properly
conducted. To meet that assertion the learned counsel adduced the fact
that during the last twelvemonth not a single conviction had been
recorded against any one of the tenants. Any previous conviction had
been condoned by the renewal of the licence. That was common sense. The
Bench admitted that it was so by subsequently deciding not to enquire
into any laches that might have taken place previous to the last
licensing meeting in 1892.
Mr. Bodkin followed briefly in the same vein, and Mr. Minter, on behalf
of the occupiers, addressed himself to the requirements of the town,
arguing, as we have ourselves pointed out in the List, that the very
fact of their being supported by the public was a prima facie argument
in favour of the existence of these houses.
The Magistrates, at the conclusion of the learned gentlemen's arguments,
retired, and after an absence of about a quarter of an hour, on their
return announced they would hear any complaints there were against any
house since the last licensing meeting. This involved the calling of a
large number of witnesses – owners, tenants, civil and military police,
the examination of whom lasted well into the afternoon.
Ship, Radnor Street: Seven houses within 100 paces only objection.
Mr. Glyn having summed up his case, the Magistrates retired for an hour
to consider their decision, and on their return the Chairman briefly
announced that all the licenses would be renewed with the exception of
the Tramway.
Mr. Glyn intimated that in all probability the owners of the house would
appeal against the decision, and having thanked the Bench for the
attention they had given the cases, and Superintendent Taylor for the
fair manner in which he had conducted the opposition, the proceedings
came to an end.
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Folkestone Chronicle 18 November 1893.
Local News.
At the Borough Police Court on Wednesday, George Warman, landlord of the
Ship, Radnor Street, was charged with selling intoxicating liquor during
prohibited hours on the 6th November, and further with permitting
drunkenness on his premises.
The defendant, who pleaded Not Guilty, was represented by Mr. E.
Worsfold Mowll.
Sergeant Swift said that at 11.35 p.m. on the 6th instant he was in
Radnor Street in company with Boat Inspector Brice. He saw the front
door of the Ship standing ajar, and he went into the passage leading to
the bar. He saw the defendant with two fisherman come into the bar from
the back entrance, which opened on to The Stade. The names of the two
men were Weatherhead and Cornish. The bar was lit up, and witness saw
the defendant serve the men with two glasses of rum, which Weatherhead
paid for. The defendant took two glasses containing liquor into the
front room and then returned to the bar. Another fisherman named Hopkins
came in by the back entrance and was served with some rum for which he
paid. Witness then went into the bar and pointed out to the defendant
that it was then about 20 or 25 minutes to 12. He said “Yes. These men
have just come in from sea, and are travellers”. Witness knew that
Hopkins and Cornish lived in Radnor Street, and Weatherhead also lived
in the town. While witness was talking to the defendant another man came
from the front room into the bar. He was drunk. He pushed against
witness and said “All right. Don't trouble yourself. I will explain it.
I am a lodger here”. Witness took the addresses of the three fishermen
and they left. He then went into the front room, where he found the
defendant's housekeeper and a woman, who was pointed out to witness as
being the other man's wife. She was drunk, and there was a glass
containing whisky on the table before her. When witness asked the man
for his name and address he commenced to talk in a foreign language, and
it was only when witness told him he should take him to the police
station that he said his name was William Joseph Cloughton, while the
defendant said he lived at Warren Road. Witness pointed out to Warman
that they were drunk, and he said they had had nothing to drink since
11. He then called witness out of the room and said “I will explain it
all to you. The three fishermen have just come in from the sea and they
are travellers. The man and his wife came in during the evening, and
they had been sitting talking together. They often come in and they are
a nuisance to me. I wish you to get them out of my house before you go”.
Witness requested them to leave and they did so. Brice entered the house
with witness and was present the whole time.
By Mr. Mowll: Witness had never seen the man nor the woman before. He
did not know that she was a professional singer in the town. He came to
the conclusion that they were drunk by the man's general behaviour and
by the woman's appearance and conversation. The landlord did not tell
him they had come to see him about the purchase of a piano. Witness was
he Sergeant in the previous case against the defendant which was
dismissed by the Magistrates.
Boat Inspector Brice gave corroborative evidence.
In answer to Mr. Mowll, witness said he was not an expert French
scholar, but he could understand the man Cloughton when he spoke in
French, as well as in English. Witness knew most of the Folkestone
smacks, but he could not say whether the one the three fisherman
belonged to came in from sea that night.
Benjamin Harris, called by Mr. Mowll, said he was in the habit of
calling the fishermen and ferrying them to their smacks in the harbour.
The three men referred to went to sea in the smack Emily on Sunday night
the 5th instant, and did not return until eleven o'clock the following
night.
Henry May, owner of the smack Emily, gave similar evidence.
Emily Cloughton said she was a singer and dancer and lived at 5, Warren
Road. On the 4th instant witness's husband wrote the note produced to
Mr. Warman, asking if it would be convenient to see a piano on the
following Monday night, and in consequence they went to the house on the
6th instant. Witness only had a “small lemonade” in the house, and was
no drunk. They went to the house at half past 10 and left about half
past 11.
William Joseph Cloughton, husband of the last witness, said he wrote the
letter, and in consequence he and his wife went to the house. He was not
drunk while there.
Mr. Mowll, in addressing the Bench, said he ventured to submit that the
fishermen were bona fide travellers, and whether they were so or not he
certainly thought it was not a case in which the Bench could convict, as
he understood it was the practice in every seaport town, when the men
came in wet through from the sea, to serve them with rum. As to the
other case he had shown that the two persons went to the house with
reference to the piano mentioned in the letter he had put in. Mr. Mowll
criticised the evidence given as to their condition, and said he did not
think it was sufficient for the Bench to convict the defendant upon. He
had never heard of a case in which a drunken man could speak not only
his own language, but also French sufficiently fluidly to be understood
by one who was not an expert linguist. It was generally difficult for a
person in that condition to speak one language. (Laughter)
After a retirement the Mayor said, after a careful consideration the
Bench had come to the conclusion that the charge of selling during
prohibited hours was not proved to their satisfaction and it would
therefore be dismissed. They, however, considered that the charge of
permitting drunkenness was fully proved. They would inflict the
mitigated penalty of 50s. and 14s. costs, and the licence would be
endorsed.
Mr. Mowll asked the Bench to reconsider their decision as to the
endorsement of the licence, but they declined to make any alteration.
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Folkestone Express 18 November 1893.
Wednesday, November 15th: before The Mayor, Alderman Pledge, and J.
Fitness Esq.
George Warman, landlord of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, was summoned for
selling intoxicating liquor during prohibited hours on the 6th November,
and also with permitting drunkenness on his premises at the same time.
Mr. Worsfold Mowll appeared for the defendant, who pleaded Not Guilty.
Sergeant Swift said: On the 6th inst. I was on duty in Radnor Street,
accompanied by Boat Inspector Brice. I saw the front door of the Ship
standing open. I went into the passage which leads to the bar and saw
the defendant there, and two fishermen came in at the back entrance.
Defendant served them with rum. The men were named Cornish and
Weatherhead. Weatherhead paid for the rum. Defendant took a light into
the back room on the ground floor and was absent a few minutes. He then
returned to the bar, by which time a third fisherman, named Hopkins, had
come in by the back entrance. He said “I'll have a drop of rum, George”
and paid for it. I then said to the defendant “It is now from twenty to
twenty five minutes to twelve”, and he said “Yes. Those men have just
come in from sea and are travellers”. There was a clock in the bar, but
I looked at my own watch. I know the three men personally, and two of
them live in Radnor Street. I do not know where Weatherhead lives, but
he lives in the town. A fourth man came from the front room into the
bar, and pushed against me. He said “All right, don't trouble yourself.
I'll explain it. I am a lodger here”. Defendant said “No, you don't
lodge here. Go away and leave the sergeant alone”. Defendant said to me
“That man and his wife came in here this evening and sat talking
together”. I took the names of the fishermen and they left. After they
left I went into the front room and found there the defendant's
housekeeper and a woman who was pointed out to me by the fourth man as
being his wife. She had a glass in front of her which contained whisky.
I asked the man for his correct name and address. He commenced to talk
in some foreign language and refused to give his name and address, until
I told him I would take him to the police station. Defendant said “I can
tell you where he lives, but I don't know his name”. He then gave his
name as William Joseph Cloughton. Defendant gave me his address and said
he lived in Warren Road, but he could not give me the number. I pointed
out to defendant that the man and the woman were drunk. He said “They
have had nothing to drink here since eleven”. He then called me out of
the room and said “I'll explain it all to you. These three fishermen had
just come in from sea and were travellers. That man and his wife came in
during the evening and sat talking together. I don't want them, I don't
know them – in fact they are a ---- nuisance to me. I wish you would get
them out of my house before you go”. I requested them to leave, and they
left.
Cross-examined by Mr. Mowll: I don't know the name of the boat from
which the men came. I don't know the names of the smacks that come to
the harbour. The landlord did not tell me that Cloughton and his wife
came to see him on business. Nothing was mentioned about a piano. I do
not know that the three fishermen had come in from sea. I did not feel
their clothes, but the appeared to be dry. I do not know the owner of
the smack they belonged to. I do not know the owner of every smack in
the harbour. There are 50 or 60 of them. I was the sergeant in the case
when Warman was summoned before, and the case was dismissed.
William Brice, boat inspector, said he was with Sergeant Swift on the
night in question, and he gave evidence generally corroborating what he
had deposed to. He said he knew the three fishermen, and knew most of
the smack owners of Folkestone. After they left the house he went with
Swift into the front room. He saw the man referred to and the woman,
who. He said, was his wife. The woman was sitting at the table with a
glass in front of her. The glass contained whisky. Swift asked the man
for his name and address. He refused his address, and then commenced
talking in French, giving an address in Boulogne. Sergeant Swift said to
him “I don't understand what you are talking about. Will you give me you
address?” Warman said “I will give you his address, but I don't know the
number of the house where he lives. It is in Warren Road”. The man
ultimately gave his address in French and English. He said he had lived
many years in Boulogne, and his wife was an actress. I heard Warman say
to the sergeant “Come outside and I'll explain the whole matter to you”.
The sergeant went outside, and Warman said “The three fishermen had been
at sea four and twenty hours and had just come in. I am entitled to give
them a drink. The other man and woman come here occasionally. I don't
know who they are – in fact they are a ---- nuisance to me when they are
here. I wish you would assist me to get them out”. Warman went in and
spoke to them. They got up after a little while and went out. They were
drunk, both of them.
By Mr. Mowll: I am not an expert in French, but I knew what the man was
talking about in French. I mean to say that a gentleman who could talk
French and English could be at the same time drunk. The lady did not
talk in French and English. I know a few of the smack owners. I have
been boat inspector about seven years. I know the smack these three
fishermen belong to, but I cannot say if she had just come in from sea.
I did not make any enquiry.
Mr. Mowll: Don't you think it would be only the fair and right thing to
do to make enquiry whether their story was right? – (No answer) On the
question being repeated, witness said he did not make any enquiries. The
report was not made by him, but by Sergeant Swift.
By the Clerk: It was a rough night, and had been raining. The men have
got oilskins on, and when they take them off it is not easy to see
whther they have been to sea or not.
Benjamin Harris, examined by Mr. Mowll, said he was the ferryman, and it
was his duty to call the fishermen and ferry them to their smacks. He
knew the three fishermen in that case as belonging to the Emily. He
remembered them starting out for sea on the night of the 5th November
(Sunday) and they came back on Monday night about a quarter past eleven.
He did not know Sergt. Swift.
Superintendent Taylor: It is mutual, you see.
Mr. Mowll expressed surprise. He thought the men would be well known to
each other.
Henry May said he was the owner of the smack Emily, and Cornish was the
captain. He was captain himself before he started as a licensed
auctioneer in the fish market. The Emily went to sea on Sunday, the 5th,
at eleven. His son was one of the crew. He went to sea in her, and
returned at a quarter past eleven on Monday night. He was wet through,
and his mother got up and made him some tea, and hung up his clothes
before the fire to dry.
Emily Cloughton, wife of William Joseph Cloghton, said: I am an artiste,
and have been for 18 years. I am a singer and dancer.
Mr. Mowll: I believe you were in this house on the occasion of the night
of the 6th November? – I was, my lord (Laughter)
Mr. Mowll: I am not that yet. I may be by and by. (Laughter) It is no
good having a compliment paid you like that if you don't take some
notice of it. (Laughter)
Witness continued: I went down with my husband to this house. I have
lived in Warren Road since the 7th of August. On the 4th November my
husband wrote to Mr. Warman the letter produced. It has not been written
since then for the purposes of this case. The letter ran: “Dear Sir, If
it is convenient for me to see the piano on Monday night, as it is the
only time my wife is disengaged, will you kindly give the bearer an
answer. Yours truly, William Joseph Cloughton.” In consequence of that
letter we went down. I was not in the least intoxicated. I only had a
small lemon, and a glass of common ale I keep in my house.
By the Clerk: I went to the house about half past ten. My husband wrote
the letter.
William Joseph Cloughton said he wrote the letter, and in consequence of
the answer he received went down to the Ship about half past ten. He was
no more drunk then than he was at that time.
Mr. Mowll then addressed the Bench, urging that it was the custom to
supply fishermen when they came in late on such a night, and he believed
the Bench would say that the three fishermen in that case were bona fide
travellers. Therefore the charge of selling liquor after closing time
must fail. As to the second charge, it was not likely that a man who
could speak in two languages could be drunk. As a rule, when a man was
drunk, it was with difficulty he could speak in English. He expressed a
strong hope that the Bench would dismiss both summonses.
Mr. Bradley called Mr. Mowll's attention to the statement of the man
that he was a lodger, and the evidence of the constables that he was
drunk.
Mr. Mowll explained that it was due to the fact of the police coming
suddenly upon them. He did not think a statement hurriedly made under
those circumstances would have any weight with the Magistrates. It was a
great pity the letter was not mentioned in the first instance, but there
was no doubt about it being a bone fide letter, and that it accounted
for those people being there.
The Bench then retired to consider the case, and on their return the
Mayor said: Mr. Warman, the Bench have very carefully considered these
charges against you, and they are unanimously of opinion that in regard
to the charge of selling intoxicating liquor during prohibited hours, it
is not proved to their satisfaction. We therefore dismiss that charge.
The charge of permitting drunkenness is in the opinion of the Bench
fully proved, and e therefore fine you in the mitigated penalty of 50s.
and 14s. costs, leviable by distress, and in default of sufficient
distress, one month's imprisonment. The licence to be endorsed.
Mr. Mowll made an appeal to the Bench to alter their decision with
regard to the endorsement of the licence. The defendant had held the
licence for eleven years, and there was no conviction against him. It
was not the tenant only who had to suffer, but the owner of the house.
He therefore asked the Bench to reconsider their decision as to the
endorsement of the licence.
The Bench declined to entertain the application.
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Folkestone Herald 18 November 1893.
Police Court Notes.
Before The Mayor, Mr. Fitness, and Mr. Alderman Pledge, at the Borough
Petty Sessions on Wednesday, a case of exceptional interest was heard
and decided.
Mr. George Warman, landlord of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, (for whom
Mr. Worsfold Mowll, solicitor, appeared) was charged with two offences
against the tenure of his licence – (1) with having sold intoxicating
liquor during prohibited hours on the 6th November, and (2) with having
permitted drunkenness on his licensed premises on the same date.
Police Sergeant James Swift, examined by the Justices' Clerk (mr.
Bradley) said: On the 6th inst., at 11.35 p.m., I was on duty in Radnor
Street, accompanied by P.C. Brice, the Boat Inspector. I saw the front
door of the defendant's house standing open a little way, and I went
into the passage that leads to the bar. I then saw the defendant and two
fishermen coming from the back entrance into the bar. The back entrance
opens into the fish market, or Stade. When I got to the bar I saw that
it was lighted up, and I saw the defendant serve the two men with two
glasses of rum, for which he was paid by Weatherhead, the other man
being named Cornish. I could not tell how much money was paid to the
landlord.
Mr. Bradley: It is not disputed.
P.S. Swift continued: Defendant then took a lighted lamp and went into
the back room on the same floor. He returned immediately into the bar
and then took two glasses containing liquor into a front room on the
ground floor. I did not see him draw the liquor. When he returned to the
bar a fisherman named Hopkins entered by the back entrance and came up
to the bar. He said to the landlord “I shall have a drop of rum”. He was
served with it and paid for it. I then went into the bar and said to the
defendant “It is now between 20 and 25 minutes to twelve, Mr. Warman”.
He said “Yes. These men have just come in from sea, and are travellers”.
There was a clock in the bar, which then indicated a quarter to twelve,
but the time I mentioned was that shown by my own watch. I knew Cornish
and Hopkins, and that they lived in the same street. When I was speaking
to the defendant a fourth man came from the front room into the bar. I
did not know him. He was drunk. He pushed against me, and said “All
right. Don't trouble yourself. I will explain it. I am a lodger here”.
Defendant said “No, you don'ty lodge here. Go away and leave the
Sergeant alone”. Defendant then said to me “That man's wife came in with
him during the evening, and they have been sitting talking together”.
This man had then gone into the front room, and I went there with the
defendant, after having taken the names of Cornish and Hopkins. In the
front room I found the defendant's housekeeper and a woman, who was
pointed out to me by the man as being his wife. The woman was sitting
down, and was drunk. There was standing before her on the table a glass
containing whisky. I asked the man for his correct name and address. He
commenced to talk in some foreign language, and refused to give his name
and address until I told him I would take him t the police station. The
landlord then said “I can tell you where he lives, but I don't know his
name”. The man then gave his name as Wm. Joseph Cloughton. He said he
was living in the Warren Road, but the number he forgot. I pointed out
to the defendant that the man and woman were drunk. He replied “They
have had nothing to drink here since 11”. The landlord then came out
with me and said “I will explain all to you. Those three fishermen had
just come in from sea. That man and his wife came in during the evening,
and had been sitting and talking together. They often come in. I don't
want them. I don't know them. In fact they are a d----d nuisance to me.
I wish you would get them out of my house before you go”. I requested
the man and woman to leave, and they did so, the defendant being present
at the time.
Cross-examined by Mr. Mowll: Don't you know the man and woman pretty
well? – No, sir.
Do you mean to say you have never seen them before? – I have not.
Is not she a professional singer in the town? – I am not aware of it.
How long have you been here? – About 11 years.
You have said the man was drunk because he pushed against you. Was that
the only reason? – No, sir.
What else? – His general behaviour, manner, and appearance.
How do you know that the woman was drunk? – By her appearance.
Had you any conversation with her? – Yes, sir.
You say from her appearance and conversation she was drunk? – Yes, sir.
Did the landlord tell you they came to see him on business? – No, sir.
Was anything said about a piano? – No sir.
You are quite sure of it? – Quite.
Didn't you know that the fishermen had come from sea? – No.
Didn't you feel their coats and find them wet? – They were dry. They had
the appearance of going to sea, and not coming from it.
Do you know the owner of the smack these men belong to? – No, sir.
You know every smack in the harbour? – No.
Do you mean to say you have been here 11 years and don't know the 50 or
60 smacks in the harbour? – No, sir.
Do you mean to say you don't know the crews of these smacks? – No, sir.
Were you the Sergeant in the previous case when this man was summoned
before the Magistrates? – Yes.
And the Magistrates dismissed that case? – They did, sir.
Police Constable Brice, Boat Inspector, deposed: On the night of the 6th
inst, at 11.35, I was going along Radnor Street and heard loud talking
in the left hand room in front of the Ship Inn. I stopped a minute or
two with Sergeant Swift, and we then walked to the front door, which we
found open. Sergeant swift entered, and I was behind him. When we got
inside the second door Sergeant swift said “There are some men coming in
at the back; stand back”. I saw the defendant and two fishermen enter by
the back door and come up to the bar, in which there was then a light.
Defendant went into the bar and drew some liquor, with which he served
the men. I could not see what it was, but it was brown, and I did not
taste it. The men were Cornish and Weatherhead. The latter paid for it.
I saw him put the money on the counter. Defendant then took up a lighted
paraffin lamp and went from the bar to the back with it. He returned to
the bar with two glasses containing drinks, and during that time Hopkins
came in at the back door and said “A drop of rum, George”. He put
something down and was served with rum by the defendant. Sergeant Swift
went to the bar and said to the defendant “Do you know what time it is?
It is nearly twenty minutes to twelve”. Defendant replied “These men
have just come in from sea, and they are travellers”. While the Sergeant
was taking the names and addresses a man who was in the front room came
into the bar, went up to the Sergeant, and said to him “I will settle
the matter. I am a lodger here”. Defendant replied “You are not. Don't
interfere with the Sergeant, he is on duty”. The man then returned into
the front room, and Hopkins and Cornish left the house by the back door.
Swift and I then went into the front room, and found a woman sitting
down, and standing by her side the man who had just left the bar. He
said “That is my wife”. The woman had on the table in front of her a
glass containing whisky. He then commenced talking in French, mentioning
Boulogne, and the Sergeant said “I don't understand what you are talking
about. Give me your address”. The defendant then said “I'll tell you
where he lives, but I don't know the number. He lives in Warren Road”.
The man said “I have been many years in Boulogne. My wife is an
actress”.
The Clerk: Did you hear any conversation between the landlord and Swift
outside the room?
Witness: Yes, sir. Mr. Warman said “Come outside and I will explain the
whole matter to you”. On going into the bar Mr. Warman said “These
fishermen had been at sea 24 hours, and had just come in, and I thought
I was entitled to give them a drink. As for the other man and woman,
they come here occasionally, but I don't know who they are. In fact they
are a d----d nuisance to me when they are in the house, and I wish you
would turn them out”. After a while, on being spoken to, they went out.
The Clerk: In what state were they?
Witness: They were drunk, both of them.
Cross-examined by Mr. Mowll: You are not an expert, but you are a bit of
a French scholar? – No, sir.
Without being a French scholar you understood that this gentleman was
talking French? – Yes, sir.
And he had talked English before? – Yes.
Could you make out his French? – I did, sir.
You understood what he said in French? – Yes, sir.
And what he said in English? – Yes.
And do you mean to say that a gentleman who talks French that you can
understand, and English that you can understand is drunk? Do you meant
to say that a gentleman talking these two languages is drunk? – Witness
gave no reply.
You don't give me an answer. Did the lady talk in English and French? –
No, sir.
You know all these smacks? – A few of them.
How many years have you been boat inspector? – About seven.
You know all these smacks, and smacksmen, for you have lived your live
among them? – Yes, sir.
You know the smack these men belong to? – I know the one they went in.
Had it come in that night? – I don't know, sir.
Did you make any inquiry as to whether their story was true? – No, sir.
You are only here (as I am and the Magistrates are) in the interests of
justice, and don't you think it would be only fair to make enquiries? –
I did not make the report, the Sergeant did.
Is that your only answer? – That is all, sir.
By the Justices' Clerk: It had been raining that night, but as the men
had not got their sea things on I could not tell whether they had been
to sea or not.
This was the case for the prosecution, and evidence for the defence was
called, as follows.
Benjamin Harris, ferryman at the Harbour, deposed: It is my duty to call
the fishermen and ferry them to their smacks. Cornish, Hopkins, and
Weatherhead form the crew of the smack Emily. I ferried them out to the
smack on Sunday night, the 5th November, and they returned about 11
o'clock on Monday night, the 6th, having been to sea all that time.
Henry May, owner of the smack Emily, deposed: Cornish has been taking my
place as Captain during the last three months while I have been acting
as a licensed auctioneer on the fish market. The smack went to sea on
the 5th at 11 o'clock, and my son was one of the crew. He returned home
at 11.15 on Monday night, the 6th, and his clothes were so wet that my
wife got up, made a fire, and hung them up to dry. The three men named
by the police were members of the crew.
Mrs. Emily Cloughton, examined: What are you, Mrs. Cloughton? – I am an
artist, and have been for 18 years.
What sort of artist? – A singer and dancer. I went with my husband to
defendant's house on the night of the 6th inst. My husband and I lived
in Warren Road since the 7th August, and on the 4th November my husband
wrote (letter produced) to defendant, asking him to appoint Monday
night, the 6th, for me to see a piano, that being the only night I was
disengaged. In consequence of that letter my husband and I went to the
house on the 6th.
This is a disagreeable question to put to a lady at any time, but I am
bound to put it to you after the evidence of the Sergeant. Were you
intoxicated? – Not that I am aware of, sir.
What did you have to drink in the house? – A small lemon and a glass of
common ale I had at home.
You only had the lemon in defendant's house? – Only the lemonade. I
never had a whisky in my lips.
There is no question that you were in the house? – I was in the private
kitchen waiting to see the piano.
The Clerk: What time did you go to the house? – At half past ten.
What time did you leave? About half past eleven, as near as possible;
after we were disturbed.
Did you write this letter? – No, my husband did.
How was it sent? – My little son, 13 years of age, took it down.
Wm. Joseph Cloughton, husband of the last witness, proved writing and
sending the letter to defendant about the piano.
We hear that you answered the constable in French and English, as he
understood you in both languages. Were you drunk at the house? –
Certainly not. No more than I am now.
This concluded the evidence for the defence.
After hearing Mr. Mowll, the Justices retired to the Mayor's parlour and
spent about a quarter of an hour in private consultation. On their
return to Court, The Mayor said: George Warman, the Bench have very
carefully considered these charges against you, and they are of the
unanimous opinion that as regards the charge of selling intoxicating
drink during prohibited hours the charge is not proved to our
satisfaction, and we therefore dismiss it. The charge of permitting
drunkenness is, in the opinion of the Bench, fully proved. We therefore
fine you in the mitigated penalty of 50s. and 14s. costs, to be levied
by distress, and in default one month's imprisonment, and the licence is
to be endorsed. (Sensation in Court)
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Folkestone Visitors' List 22 November 1893.
Police Court Notes.
A case in which a publican met with what most people will think rather
“hard lines” came before The Mayor, Alderman Pledge, and Mr. Fitness on
Wednesday.
George Warman, landlord of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, was summoned for
selling intoxicating liquors during prohibited hours on the 6th of
November, and also with permitting drunkenness on his premises on the
same occasion. Mr. Worsfold Mowll defended.
The evidence of P.S. Swift and P.C. Brice was to the effect that on the
night in question they went into the defendant's house and saw two
fishermen come in, who were served with rum, which was paid for. These
men, the defendant stated, had just come from sea, and he regarded them
as travellers. While the police were in the house another man also put
in an appearance, and he was the worse for liquor, but not so bad but
that he had sense enough to say that he was all right and was a lodger.
Defendant, however, very candidly told the man that he was not a lodger
and that he must leave. In another room was a woman, the wife of this
man, whom the police also described as having been drunk. At the request
of the defendant Swift asked them to leave, which they did.
The defence, which was supported by several witnesses, was that the
fishermen had only just come home, having been away at sea since the
previous night; while as to the drunkenness, this was denied both by the
woman and her husband, who explained their presence on the premises by
asserting that they had gone to look at a piano, the woman being a
professional singer. Mr. Mowll contended that it was a custom, honoured
in the observance in every seaport town, of landlords supplying
fishermen with rum on their return, wet and tired, at night from a trip
to sea.
After a consultation in private the Bench found the charge of the
unlawful sale of liquor not proven, but they considered that of
permitting drunkenness had been fully proved, and fined the luckless
landlord 50s. and 14s. costs, and ordered the licence to be endorsed.
The severity of the decision created a considerable amount of surprise
in court.
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Folkestone Chronicle 25 November 1893.
Local News.
The Borough Police Court was crowded on Wednesday, when the Mayor,
Alderman Pledge, and Mr. J. Fitness were engaged for some three hours in
hearing a case which arose out of one which was before the court last
week, when the landlord of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, was fined for
permitting drunkenness on his premises on the 6th instant. The
defendants were William Joseph Cloughton, who described himself as an
engineer, and Emily Clouhgton, his wife, a singer and dancer, who were
summoned for being drunk on the premises.
Mr. Glyn, barrister, instructed by Messrs. Mowll and Mowll, Dover,
appeared for the defendants.
Sergeant Swift repeated his evidence as to visiting the Ship Inn at 25
minutes past 11 on the 6th instant, entering by the front door, which
was standing ajar. While the witness was in conversation with the
landlord the male defendant came into the bar from the front room. He
was drunk, and he pushed against witness saying “All right. Don't
trouble yourself. I will explain this. I am a lodger here”. The landlord
said “No, you are not a lodger here. Go away and leave the Sergeant
alone”. He went back into the room. Witness went with the landlord into
the front room, where he saw a woman sitting beside the table. Cloughton
said “This is my wife”. She was drunk and in a half-dazed condition. A
glass containing whisky was standing before her on the table. Witness
tasted it and handed it to Boat Inspector Brice, who accompanied him, to
taste also. Witness asked the male defendant for his correct name and
address. He commenced talking in some foreign language, and witness said
he would take him to the police station. Witness then said to the woman
“Perhaps you will give me your husband's name and address”. She murmured
something he could not understand and afterwards said “My husband is an
independent gentleman”. The male defendant ultimately gave him his name,
but refused his address. Witness said to the landlord in the defendants'
presence “That man and woman are drunk”, and after a few seconds the
landlord replied “They have had nothing to drink since 11”. When the
landlord requested the defendants to leave the house the man said to his
wife “Come along” but it was some few seconds before she attempted to
move. She then attempted to get up out of her seat by hanging on to the
table with her hands. She dropped back into her seat, and it was not
until she made a third attempt that she got on to her legs. While she
was arranging her hat in front of the glass she swaggered to and fro.
Her husband assisted her out into the street and they went off together
arm in arm, walking very slowly and unsteadily.
By Mr. Glyn: Witness gave evidence at the hearing of the objection to
the renewal of the licence of the Ship before the Licensing Justices,
and he also gave evidence at the Quarter Sessions when the ruling of the
Folkestone Magistrates was revoked. He had not been instructed to watch
this house. He was not watching it on the night in question, but
happened to be casually passing. Since he gave evidence on the last
occasion, when the landlord of the house was charged, he had not made a
statement to the Superintendent or to anybody about his evidence. He had
not seen the Superintendent about it or discussed the subject with him.
Before the last hearing he made a written report to the Superintendent.
Mr. Glyn: Is that here?
Sergeant Swift: I don't know.
Mr. Glyn: I call for it, please.
Supt. Taylor said he had not got it.
Mr. Fitness said they were re-hearing the case and he did not see what
it had to do with it.
Mr. Glyn said at the last hearing he omitted nearly the whole of the
evidence he had given that day.
Mr. Bradley: He was not asked about it.
Mr. Glyn: Mr. Bradley must either act as your adviser, or he can
prosecute, but he cannot do both.
Mr. Bradley: I have only done what has always been done – interrogated
the witnesses – and I shall continue to do so.
Mr. Glyn: We shall see, Mr. Bradley. I wish to have a note taken on the
depositions. Any observations you make will not have any effect.
Mr. Bradley replied “Nor will your observations have any effect”. Then,
turning to Supt. Taylor, he remarked “You do not produce it?”
Mr. Glyn: I have a shorthand writer.
Mr. Bradley: Bother the shorthand writer.
Mr. Glyn: Shorthand writer, take a note of it. He says “Bother the
shorthand writer”, and tells the Superintendent not to produce it.
Mr. Bradley: It is most untrue.
Mr. Glyn (to witness): Do you know whether the report you made to the
Superintendent is in existence or not?
Witness: I do not know. I made it verbally and the Superintendent wrote
it down.
Mr. Glyn: Do you suggest that you have given the same evidence today as
you gave when you were heard on the last occasion?
Witness: I did not detail her state. I gave her general behaviour.
Why did you leave it out? – I was not pressed for it.
Did you say a word last time about having tasted what was in the glass,
and finding it to be whisky? – I did not. I said the glass contained
whisky.
Did you forget last time, or think that it was not material? – I was not
cross-examined on it. I have given the details totay.
Did anybody tell you to do that? – No.
In the statement you made to the Superintendent did you tell him the
woman was in a half-dazed condition, and that you tasted what was in the
glass? – I told him, but I don't know whether he took it down.
The witness was further cross-examined at length by Mr. Glyn, who, in
the course of his questions, asked “Which was the more drunk of the two,
the husband or the wife?”
Witness: I don't think there was any distinction between them. The one
appeared to be ridiculously drunk and the other stupidly drunk.
As a policeman do you think it is a distinction without a difference? –
There is a little difference, certainly.
The husband was sufficiently sober to give his wife his arm and conduct
her into the street? – A drunken man could do that easily.
Do you think it evidence of drunkenness for a husband to give his wife
his arm? – They did that to support each other.
Supt. Taylor: In the case last week you were giving evidence against the
landlord? – Yes.
On that occasion did you go into details about the condition of the
defendants? – No.
Boat Inspector Brice, who accompanied the last witness to the house,
gave corroborative evidence.
Cross-examined by Mr. Glyn, the witness said at the last hearing he did
not give certain details at to the defendants' condition which he had
done in his evidence that day because he was not pressed for them. He
was simply asked their condition, and he said they were drunk.
The case for the prosecution having been closed, Mr. Glyn said he
proposed to call one or two witnesses, and then offer a few observations
to the Bench.
William Joseph Cloughton said he was an engineer, but was not in
occupation. He had lived at 5, Warren Road since the 7th August. Witness
wrote a letter, dated 4th November, to Warman, the landlord of the Ship
Inn, and in consequence he went to the Ship on the evening in question.
He went there at half past ten for the purpose of examining Mr. Warman's
piano, with the view of purchasing it. Witness left home about seven
o'clock to see the carnival procession. He was accompanied by William
Wilson, and his wife, and they went to the Harvey Hotel, where they each
had a drink. Before leaving home witness had a glass of bitter. They had
nothing else until they went to Warman's house. During the evening
witness met a man named Brice and had some conversation with him. On
arriving at the Ship, witness went into the kitchen. Mr. Warman was
attending behind the bar, and he asked witness to wait a few moments.
While there witness had a brandy and soda. They had nothing else to
drink in the house that night. There was no whisky on the table there.
The glass which the sergeant tasted contained lemonade – not whisky.
Neither witness, his wife, nor his friend were the worse for liquor. The
sergeant asked him his address and he gave it to him in French for a
joke, but he afterwards gave it to him in English. Witness certainly did
not refuse to give his name. He did not say he was a lodger. His wife
was not in a half-dazed, stupid condition. He never heard her say
witness was an independent gentleman. There was no truth in the
statement that his wife had great difficulty in getting up from her
seat. There was no truth in the statement that they could not get along
without staggering when they left the house. Witness had never been
charged with drunkenness before.
Emily Cloughton, the wife of the last witness, also gave evidence,
describing herself as a singer and dancer. She stated that she had never
been intoxicated in her life. Witness had an abscess in her knee for
which she was attended by Dr. Ellis and it was difficult for her to rise
from her seat.
John Taylor, the Superintendent of Police, called by Mr. Glyn, said on
the same night as the occurrence happened at the Ship, Sergeant Swift
made a statement to him which he took down shortly. He could not say
whether it existed now. It was handed in to the Court at the last
hearing.
Mr. Glyn then called for the report in question, and Mr. Bradley said he
was informed by his clerk that he tore it up after the sitting at the
last Court.
William Wilson, a fireman in the employ of the S.E. Company, and Herbert
Price, fly proprietor, who were in company with the defendants on the
evening in question both gave evidence to the effect that the defendants
were perfectly sober when they left them. Wilson left them at th Ship at
10 minutes to 11.
Jane Hogben, housekeeper at the Ship Inn, said she had been out on the
night in question, and returned at quarter to 11. The police came to the
house half an hour afterwards. Neither Mr. nor Mrs. Cloughton were the
worse for liquor. When the sergeant tasted the contents of the glass
belonging to defendant which was on the table and said it was whisky,
witness informed him that it was lemonade.
Charles Marsh, who manages the bar at the Harvey Hotel for his mother,
gave evidence as to the liquor with which the defendants were supplied
at the house, and said when they left they were perfectly sober.
By Superintendent Taylor: There were three others serving in the bar,
and it was possible they might have had other drink than that with which
witness served them.
Mr. Glyn, in the course of a forcible summing up, said it was
unfortunate that the case had already been investigated by the same
Bench, because having come to the conclusion that the holder of the
licence had permitted drunkenness by reason of the two persons having
been drunk in the house, they would stultify themselves if they came to
the conclusion that this case was not proved. Although he saw that
difficulty, he was quite sure that the Bench would look at this case
from an entirely impartial point of view, and so far as they could they
would shut out from their eyes anything that had previously happened
with reference to the house. He submitted without fear of contradiction
that if the case was brought up for the first time that day no Bench
would say the charge was made out against the two defendants. In the
last case the point was as to whether or not the landlord permitted
drunken persons to be on the premises, and the suggestion of Mr. Mowll,
who conducted the case, was that the persons were not drunk, and that
the reasons which were given by the witnesses for coming to the
conclusion that these two persons were drunk were not sufficient for the
Bench to act upon. It was a most extraordinary thing that the two
policemen should have omitted all the strong points in their previous
evidence and never said a word about them, although the matter was then
fresh in their recollection. He ventured to say that the evidence would
not be relied upon by any Court of Justice of a witness who omitted the
most important part of the evidence to which his attention was directed
and who afterwards put in a lot of extraordinary details for the purpose
of affecting a decision then before the Bench. When he heard the
constables endeavour to get out of it by telling them that they had made
a statement to the Superintendent he thought it right to call on the
Superintendent, without having the slightest knowledge as to where the
memorandum was or anything of the kind. He had not had an opportunity of
seeing it, but Sergeant Swift swore he made all these statements to the
Superintendent of Police, a man of large experience, who must have known
that all those statements were of the utmost importance to prove
drunkenness against this house; and having regard to what had already
taken place with reference to the house, he asked them whether it was
human, if the statements were made, he should not have recorded them?
The Superintendent's answer was that he took down general things. Mr.
Bradley had seen the document and he would be able to tell them as to
whether the statement produced at the last Court by the Superintendent
contained all those details. He (Mr. Glyn) must ask them what a Judge of
Assize, Mr. Justice Hawkins for instance, would say to a policeman, a
Superintendent or anybody who had taken part in these prior proceedings
and having this statement made to him omitted to take not of it? He
ventured to submit that any Judge would say that such evidence when it
was afterwards given was not reliable. He (Mr. Glyn) did not ask them to
find that the evidence was untrue, but he asked them to say that they
were not satisfied with it, and that his clients were entitled to be
discharged.
The Magistrates retired for deliberation and on their return to Court
the Mayor said: There is a decided conflict of evidence in this case and
we are called upon to decide which set of witnesses we believe. We
unanimously believe the evidence of the police constables, and we
therefore fine each of the defendants in the sum of 5s. and 13s. costs,
leviable by distress, or in default seven days' imprisonment.
Mr. Mowll: We shall, of course, have to consider the effect the decision
given today will have upon the notice of appeal we have given in the
other case. I must, therefore, ask the Superintendent of Police not to
take any further steps in the matter until I communicate with him,
because I may have to intimate to him that the matter will not proceed
further.
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Folkestone Express 25 November 1893.
Wednesday, November 22nd: Before The Mayor, Alderman Pledge, and J.
Fitness Esq.
William Joseph Cloughton and Emily Cloughton, man and wife, were charged
with being drunk in the Ship Inn on the night of the 6th November. They
pleaded Not Guilty.
Mr. Glyn, barrister, instructed by Mr. Mowll, appeared for the
defendants.
Sergeant Swift repeated the evidence he gave last week as to his visit
to the Ship on the night in question. He added that when he went into
the front room he saw a woman seated at the table. Cloughton said it was
his wife. She was in a dazed and stupid condition. A glass containing
whisky stood on the table before her. He knew it was whisky because he
tasted it, and handed it to inspector Brice to taste it. The woman said
“Yes, it is mine”. He said to the woman, after he had threatened to take
the man to the station if he did not give his name and address, “Perhaps
you can give me your husband's name and address and particulars”. She
murmured something he could not understand. Afterwards she said “My
husband is a gentleman”. He said to the landlord “That man and woman are
drunk”. After a pause of two or three seconds the landlord said “They
have had nothing to drink here since eleven”. After they were requested
to leave, the woman sat for some few seconds before she attempted to
move. Then she got up out of her seat by hanging on the table with her
hands. She dropped back into her seat, and at the third attempt she
succeeded and stood on her legs. She stood in front of the glass
arranging her hat, swinging to and fro, quite intoxicated. While she was
doing that the man said “Don't take any notice of my wife. She has been
on the stage”. She then went to the front door. Her husband took her arm
and assisted her into the street. They went up towards the railway, arm
in arm together, walking very slowly indeed.
In answer to Mr. Glyn, witness said he was a witness in the case at the
Quarter Sessions. He had had no conversation with the Superintendent or
anyone else as to the evidence he was going to give that day. No-one
instructed him to watch the Ship Inn. He went there casually. He
admitted that on the last occasion he did not say the woman was in a
half-dazed and stupid condition. On the last occasion he was not
examined or cross-examined as to the details. He said nothing about the
woman staggering or being assisted into the street by her husband and
going off arm-in-arm with him. Asked as to which was the most drunk of
the two he said there did not appear to be much difference – one
appeared to be ridiculously drunk, and the other stupidly drunk.
Boat Inspector Brice repeated the evidence he gave on the last occasion,
and also added somewhat to it. He said that when he went into the room
where the defendants had been sitting, Swift took up a glass from the
table and said “Taste that, Brice”. He tasted it and said “It's whisky”.
The woman appeared to him to be drunk. Her hat was disarranged, and it
took her some little time to get it right in front of the glass. After
some few seconds the defendants went out together.
In cross-examination by Mr. Glyn, witness said he made no statement to
the Superintendent, and he had had no conversation with anybody about it
since. He said on the last occasion all he had said that day, to the
best of his recollection. He wasn't asked about tasting the whisky last
time. He never said anything then about the lady having two or three
tries to get up and falling back in the chair again. He was asked their
condition, and he said they were both drunk. The man could talk
coherently, and they could both walk.
Mr. Glyn then called several witnesses for the defence. The first was
William Joseph Cloughton, the male defendant. He said he was supposed to
be an engineer, and lived at 5, Warren Road. He had received a
communication from Mr. Warman about a piano, and arranged to see him on
Monday night at the Ship Inn. He left home about seven o'clock on the
night of the 6th, with his wife and a young man named Wilson. They all
went together to the Harvey Hotel, where he had a half tankard of
bitter, his wife a half tankard of stout, and Wilson two pennyworth of
whisky. They stayed to see the torchlight procession, and then went to
the Ship Inn, which they reached at half past ten. They had nothing to
drink till they got there. On the way there they met a man named Price.
That was about nine o'clock. They had some conversation with him. When
they got to the Ship, Warman was busy and could not attend to them. He
had a glass of brandy and soda, and his wife had lemonade. Wilson had
soda. His wife had no whisky, and there was no glass containing whisky
on the table. The glass the policeman took up contained lemonade. The
policeman said it was whisky, and she replied that it was lemonade.
Neither of them was the worse for wear. He first answered the policeman
in French, and gave an address in Boulogne. He did not refuse to give
his name, nor did he say he was a lodger. He did not hear his wife say
he was an independent gentleman. There was no truth in the statement
that his wife attempted to get up twice from her seat before she
succeeded. He had never been charged with drunkenness before.
Emily Cloughton gave similar evidence, and said she had never been
intoxicated in her life. It was not true to say she attempted twice to
get up from her chair before she succeeded. She had an abscess on her
knee, and had been attended by Dr. Ellis.
Superintendent Taylor was next called, and in reply to Mr. Glyn he said
he took a note of the report made by Sergeant Swift. He could not say if
it was in existence now.
Mr. Bradley explained that the report was the notes handed to him for
the purpose of examining the witnesses. His Clerk informed him that
after the case was over he destroyed it. It was on a half sheet of
foolscap – he thought there were two.
William Wilson, a young man in the employ of the South Eastern Railway
Company, who was in the company of the defendants on the evening in
question, said they only had what the defendants said they had to drink.
They were perfectly sober when he left them about ten minutes to eleven,
so he saw nothing of what took place when the policeman came in.
Herbert Price, a fly proprietor, said he saw the defendants about nine
o'clock, and they were talking to him about a fly they wanted on the
following Saturday. He knew them very well and had often driven them
about, but never saw them the worse for drink. He had known them since
the middle of August.
Jane Hogben, housekeeper to Mr. Warman, said she was in the house during
the time the policeman was there. The Cloughtons were sitting in the
kitchen. The glass the sergeant took up from the table was hers and it
contained aired lemonade. It was not true that Mrs. Cloughton made two
unsuccessful attempts to get up. Mr. Cloughton gave the sergeant his
name when he was asked for it. The sergeant took him by the collar and
said he would take him to the police station. The house was closed at
five minutes to eleven; only Mr. and Mrs. Cloghton remained.
Charles Marsh, assistant to his mother, landlady of the Harvey Hotel,
corroborated the defendants' statements as to what they had to drink
there. He served them.
In reply to Superintendent Taylor, he said there were two others serving
in the bar, and he could not say whether they served defendants with
anything or not.
Mr. Glyn then made an eloquent and long speech for the defendants, his
main contention being that as the police evidence had been extended so
much in detail compared to what it was on the first occasion it was the
duty of the Magistrates to say not that it was untrue, but that it was
unreliable.
The Magistrates then retired to consider their decision, and were absent
for some time. On their return the Mayor said: The decision of the Bench
is as follows. I will read it. There is a direct conflict of evidence in
this case. We are called on to decide which set of witnesses we believe.
We unanimously believe the evidence of the police constables, and we
therefore fine each of the defendants in the sum of 5s. and 13s. costs,
leviable by distress, and in default of payment seven days'
imprisonment.
Mr. Mowll said they would consider the effect of the decision. They were
ready then to enter into their recognisances with respect to the notice
of appeal given in the other case. He would carefully consider the
evidence given that day, because he might have to notify that the matter
would not be proceeded with further.
Recognisances were then entered into to prosecute the appeal from the
decision of the Bench in the case against Warman.
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Folkestone Herald 25 November 1893.
Police Court Notes.
Last week we gave a full report of the prosecution instituted by the
police authorities against the landlord of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street,
Folkestone, on the charge of having permitted drunkenness on his
premises upon the night of the 6th November inst. In the result the
defendant landlord was convicted and the Justices directed that the
conviction be endorsed upon the licence. It will also be recollected
that the persons alleged to have been found drunk on the premises were
William J. Cloughton and his wife Emily Cloughton, who were stated to be
“artists”, and who were residing at No. 5, Warren Road, in this town.
Since the hearing of that case, the decision in which is, we believe,
about to be appealed from, Mr. and Mrs. Cloughton have been summoned for
having been drunk upon the Ship Inn premises upon the night of the 6th
instant. The case came on for hearing on Wednesday morning before The
Mayor, Mr. Fitness, and Mr. Alderman Pledge.
Mr. Glyn, barrister, (instructed by Mr. Worsfold Mowll, of Mowll and
Mowll, solicitors, Dover) was retained for the defence; the prosecution
was conducted by Mr. John Taylor, the Superintendent of the Folkestone
Police. Each of the defendants denied the charge of drunkenness, and the
evidence for the prosecution was to a great extent a recapitulation of
the testimony given on the hearing of the case against the landlord,
though, of course directed more in detail to the specific charge now
under investigation.
Police Sergeant Swift, in support of the case, said that he was
accompanied on the night in question by Boat Inspector Brice, and on
walking along Radnor Street they saw lights and heard voices in the bar
of the house. Witness and Brice both entered, and found defendants
drunk. The female defendant was half-dazed and in a stupid condition. A
glass containing whisky stood before her. The landlord (Warman) said
they had had nothing to drink since eleven. The woman was sitting down
and tried to get up by hanging on to the table. On the third attempt she
succeeded. Whilst she was arranging her hat, before a glass, the male
defendant said “Don't take any notice of my wife. She has been on the
stage”. Her husband ultimately assisted her out into the street, and
they walked in a staggering state towards the railway.
Examined by Mr. Glyn, the constable said he gave evidence before the
Justices, and also at the Quarter Sessions at Canterbury on the appeal
in reference to the Tramway licence. No-one had instructed him to watch
the house. Witness was casually passing. He had made no statement to the
Superintendent or anyone else since the last hearing. Witness had made a
verbal report to the Superintendent, which that official had written
down.
Mr. Glyn: I call for that report.
Mr. Bradley: We do not produce it.
In further examination the witness said he did not know whether the
report was in existence. He suggested that he gave the same evidence as
he did in the other case. If he had not mentioned certain facts then it
was because he was not pressed for them. The cross-examination of this
witness was continued for a long time, but was mainly directed to the
evidence given now for the first time by the witness, whose explanation
throughout was that on the prosecution of Warman he had only given
replies to the questions which had been put to him as being then
considered the most material to the issue.
P.C. Brice, Boat Inspector, was also called, and gave corroborative
evidence. He, likewise was submitted to a close cross-examination, but
his evidence-in-chief remained unshaken.
The defendants, on being severally sworn, denied the accusation. The
learned Counsel placed, through their evidence, a complete history of
the defendants' movements that evening before the Court. It appeared
that, as stated last week, they had made an appointment with Warman as
to inspecting a piano which the latter had on sale. The procession of
masqueraders took place the same evening, and both the defendants went
out to see it, leaving home about seven o'clock. They were accompanied
by William Wilson, a fireman in the employ of the South Eastern Railway
Company, and living at 12, Warren Road. They walked about for a time,
awaiting the procession, and called at Harvey's Hotel, where they had
drinks. – Mr. Cloughton half a tankard of bitter, Mrs. Cloughton half a
tankard of stout, and Wilson 2d. worth of whiskey. When the procession
came by they followed it, and ultimately proceeded to the Ship Inn,
which they reached at 10.30, and where Wilson remained with the
defendants until 10.50. During the interval the drink had on the
premises was – Mr. Cloughton a brandy and soda, Mrs. Cloughton a
lemonade, and Mr. Wilson a small soda. Each of these three people swore
in the most positive terms to their individual sobriety at the hour
named, 10.50 p.m., and it was deposed also by the Cloughtons that
neither of the latter had anything else to drink at the house that
night. The difficulty which Mrs. Cloughton had in rising from the chair
was caused by the fact that, owing to a fall on the stage, she has been
suffering from an abscess in the knee, for which she had been under
surgical treatment.
Herbert Price, a fly proprietor, who has frequently driven the
Cloughtons about the town and neighbourhood, proved that he met them
that night about nine o'clock in Tontine Street, that they were then
perfectly sober, and that on all occasions when he had driven them out
they had been distinguished for sobriety.
After a long address from the learned Counsel, who dealt exhaustively
with the various aspects of the case, the Justices retired with their
learned Clerk to consider the evidence. In the result, the defendants
were convicted, and were ordered to pay, severally, a fine and costs
amounting to 7s. 6d.
Great interest was taken in this prosecution, the little courtroom being
crowded to it's utmost capacity.
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Southeastern Gazette 28 November 1893.
Local News.
At the Folkestone Town Hall, on Wednesday, before the Mayor, in the
chair, Mrs. Emily Claughton, described as an actress, and Mr. William
Claughton, of 5, Warren Road, were charged with being drunk on the
licensed premises of the Ship Inn, on the 6th November. Mr. Glyn,
barrister, defended.
According to the evidence of the prosecution, Mr. Claughton was found
drunk in the bar of the Ship Inn by P.S. Swift and P.C. Brice. In the
front room Mrs. Claughton was sitting at a table in a half-dazed
condition. When leaving the house Mrs. Claughton had to make three
attempts before she succeeded in standing up.
The defence was an absolute denial of the evidence of the constable, and
several witnesses were called to prove the absolute sobriety of the
defendants. Mrs. Claughton was said to have injured her knee by a fall
on the stage, and that accounted for her being unable to rise readily
from her chair.
The Bench convicted, and fined each defendant 5s. and 13s. costs, or
seven days’ imprisonment in default. It was intimated that an appeal
might be made.
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Folkestone Visitors' List 29 November 1893.
Police Court Notes.
Considerable interest was manifested in a case which came before The
Mayor and Messrs. Fitness and Pledge on Wednesday, when Mr. William and
Mrs. Emily Cloughton, of 5, Warren Road, were summoned for having been
drunk on licensed premises, the Ship Inn.
The charge arose out of another which was heard at a previous sitting
when the same Magistrates inflicted a fine of 50s. and costs on the
landlord of the inn for permitting the drunkenness in question.
Mr. Glyn, barrister, instructed by Mr. Worsfold Mowll, appeared for the
defence.
The case, as stated by Sergt. Swift and P.C. Brice, was that on the
evening in question, about five minutes after eleven, the two constables
went into the Ship Inn, and there found the two defendants. Mr.
Cloughton said he was a lodger, which the landlord, however, denied.
When asked for his address he gave it in French, and the police had to
threaten to take him to the station before they could obtain it. Mrs.
Cloughton they described as in such an advanced state of intoxication
that they could not understand what she said, except that her husband
was a gentleman, and she had to make three attempts before she could
rise from her chair.
During the hearing of the case Mr. Glyn called for the original report
made by the officers to the Superintendent. The Magistrates' Clerk (Mr.
Bradley) at that point interfered, and Mr. Glyn intimated that it would
be as well for him either to act as adviser to the Bench, or prosecutor
– he could not do both. Mr. Bradley said he had only done what had
always been done and he should continue to do. Upon this Mr. Glyn told
him his observations would not have much effect, and Mr. Bradley
returned the compliment. Mr. Glyn stated that he could produce a
shorthand writer to give evidence as to what the constables stated at
the first hearing, but Mr. Bradley objected, remarking “Bother the
shorthand writer”.
The defence was a total denial of the charge, both defendants flatly
contradicting the story of the police. Mrs. Cloughton said she was an
actress, and had been living at Boulogne until the middle of August,
since when she had been living at Folkestone. She had injured her knee,
and that prevented her rising readily from her seat. A Mr. Wilson and
other witnesses also swore that all the female defendant had to drink
was a glass of stout at the Harvey Hotel, and that at the Ship what she
had was lemonade, which the police had declared to be whiskey. Mr.
Cloughton had a soda and brandy at the Ship. Several witnesses testified
to the fact that both were absolutely sober, while defendants explained
their presence in the house by stating that they had gone to look at a
piano.
Mr. Glyn, in addressing the Bench, said he would not ask the Magistrates
to stultify their former decision by declining to believe the police,
but to say that the evidence was not satisfactory, and with this end in
view he very forcibly reviewed the case.
The Magistrates retired, and on their return into court the Mayor said
there was a decided conflict of evidence, and they were called upon to
decide which they believed, and they unanimously believed the
constables. Defendants would therefore be fined 5s. and 13s. costs each;
in default seven days'.
Mr. Glyn intimated that very possibly the decision would be appealed
against.
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Folkestone Express 23 December 1893.
Wednesday, December 20th: Before J. Fitness and W.G. Herbert Esqs., and
Aldermen Dunk and Pledge.
Susannah Freeman was charged with assaulting Jane Hogben on December
18th.
Jane Hogben, housekeeper to Mr. Warman at the Ship Inn, Radnor Street,
said on Monday evening, between half past four and five, she was in the
bar, when defendant, who is Mr. Warman's half-sister, came into the bar
and tried to push her out. Witness told defendant to go out, but she
said she would not, as everything in the place belonged to her.
Defendant then knocked witness down and threatened to knock her brains
out. She took a poker to defend herself, but did not strike defendant.
Esther Taylor, servant in the employ of Mr. Warman, said she saw the
defendant come in on Monday, and asked her “where the thing was”, and
went into the bar and threatened to knock plaintiff's brains out.
Thomas Warman, a fisherman, said he saw defendant try to turn Mrs.
Hogben out of a chair, and heard her threaten to knock the plaintiff's
brains out.
The Bench bound the defendant over in her own recognisance of £10 for
the period of three months, and to pay 13s. costs.
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From a local paper 1893.
George Warman, licensee, was fined 50s. and
14s. costs, for allowing drunkenness on his premises.
He was also
a fish buyer.
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Folkestone Chronicle 21 April 1894.
Local News. Transfer.
The following transfer was granted at the Police Court on Wednesday:
Ship, Radnor Street, to John G. Griggs.
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Folkestone Visitors' List 20 May 1896.
Kaleidoscope.
An interesting licensing application was made by Mr. G.W. Haines,
solicitor, on Saturday to the Magistrates, but which was not sustained.
The points raised by Mr. Haines are, however, worthy of consideration,
and no doubt they are points that the Trade Association will consider
sooner or later.
Mr. Haines' application was in respect of three houses in the vicinity
of the harbour, and it was supported by two petitions, one bearing
eighty five signatures, and another signed by 150 men, chiefly employees
of the South Eastern railway Company. Mr. Haines pointed out that for
the Folkestone fishing industry alone this application should be
considered. The fishermen could not at all times enter the harbour at
such an hour as to enable them to get any refreshment before the houses
were opened at six o'clock.
But further, during the mackerel season there were some forty or fifty
boats that came from Newhaven, Ramsgate, and other places, and when
these boats entered Folkestone harbour at hours between two and six
o'clock in the morning, they invariably knocked up his clients. The
local fishermen could not be considered bona fide travellers, but with
regard to the other fishermen, his clients had to be very careful whom
they admitted, and had always to see the boats in order to justify
admittance.
Very often those Newhaven fishermen put up at these houses, and though
this application was made, it was not made so as to enable the landlords
to sell drink entirely. They invariably supplied coffee and other
refreshments. Put shortly, a local boat's crew, after being at sea all
night, on arriving at the harbour at say two or three o'clock in the
morning, have to wait until six o'clock, under the existing conditions,
before they can secure any refreshment.
The teetotallers themselves will think this hard, and it would be
equally hard on the mother of the household to be expected to have food
or any kind of refreshment prepared at this early hour.
But then again, it is hard on the railway employees, who have to turn
out of their homes at very early hours, to meet and work on the boats
bringing cargoes of produce for the London markets. These men can get no
refreshment or stimulants of any kind until the public houses open at
the hour of six.
When we consider the industries concerned, the application was a
reasonable one, and one which, in our opinion, the Bench should have
given due consideration to. The matter will doubtless be taken up by the
Licensed Victuallers Trade, whose duty it is not only to look after
their own interests but those of the public.
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Folkestone Chronicle 23 May 1896.
Saturday, May 16th: Before Messrs. J. Holden, J. Pledge, T.J. Vaughan,
and J. Fitness.
Mr. Haines applied that early opening licences be granted to three
public houses. He said there was not a single one in the borough, and he
thought when the Bench had heard the evidence they would be prepared to
grant some, especially considering that they could at any time revoke
them.
In the first case he applied on behalf of John Grigg, of the Ship Inn,
The Stade, that he might open his house at 3 o'clock to accommodate the
fishermen. There were some 68 or 70 boats that, by reason of the harbour
being a tidal one, sometimes had to come in at hours when the public
houses were not open, and were unable to obtain any kind of refreshment,
although they had been for hours battling with the wind and the weather.
They were not bona fide travellers, although they had been out to sea.
In the mackerel and herring seasons there were boats from Newhaven,
Shoreham, etc., put in and the applicant was knocked up, but for fear of
offending the law he had great difficulty in finding out if the men were
really travellers. He did not intend to keep open for the purpose of
drinking, but simply to accommodate these men. Grigg had been two years
in the house and had conducted it properly.
In the case of the other two applicants, they only wanted to open at 5
a.m. instead of 6.
Mr. Haines called Grigg, who bore out the statement.
Superintendent Taylor said he was not aware that anything had arisen
recently that showed any need of an alteration. He presumed it was
because of the remarks that were made the previous Saturday as to Dover,
but at Dover there was a great vegetable market, and men came long
distances from their houses to attend it. Mr. Haines' arguments were
illogical, for he might as well argue that because there were no early
opening licences in Folkestone, Dover did not require them. If this
application was granted, the applicant would be able to keep open
continuously from 3 a.m. to 11 p.m. If boats from Shoreham came in they
could be served, and if the police prosecuted there would be a good
defence, as they would be bona fide travellers.
The next application was by George Kirby, of the Chequers Inn, who
desired to open at 5 a.m. to supply the workmen going to work at the
Harbour, especially to the fruit boats.
The Chairman said they must decline all the applications, for if they
granted one they would be obliged in justice to grant all. Mr. Haines
had fought well, but had failed to show that the licences were needed.
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Folkestone Express 23 May 1896.
Saturday, May 16th: Before J. Holden, J. Pledge, T.J. Vaughan, and J.
Fitness Esqs.
Mr. Haines appeared before the Bench and made an application in respect
of three exceptional licences for certain houses in the town. It will be
remembered that a few days ago a publican was fined for opening his
house a few minutes before six o'clock in the morning in order to supply
the men who were going to work, and Mr. Mowll, who appeared for the
defendant, expressed surprise that there were no early opening licences
in Folkestone, there being no less than 33 in Dover. Mr. Haines said the
Section under which he applied was 26 of the Licensing Act of 1872,
which he read. The exception which he was about to ask the Bench to
grant was in respect to three houses, and he pointed out that it was
entirely in the discretion of the Bench. It was a matter entirely of
evidence, and he thought the Magistrates would see that it was desirable
to grant them. The matter was so much in their hands, that should they
think proper at any time to revoke a licence so granted, they could make
a revocation order.
The first case was that of Mr. J.G. Gregg, of the Ship Inn, and it was
in respect of the fishing industry that the application was made. There
were now 65 or 70 boats, and they could not come into the harbour at all
times, as it was tidal. The boats went out at all hours of the day, and
came in often at three or four in the morning, and the houses being
closed, there was no means of the men getting refreshments if they
required. As they resided in the town, they were not entitled to come
under the definition of bona fide travellers. In the mackerel season 20
or 30 boats came in from other ports, and the crews often required
refreshments from these houses. If the permission was granted, it was
not intended to keep the house open, but merely to open when it was
required. Mr. Gregg did not ask for the house to be allowed for the
house to be open from one until three, but only from three till six. Mr.
Haines then put in a memorial signed by the fishermen themselves to the
number of 85, and said he had given notice of the application to
Superintendent Taylor. There was nothing against Gregg, who had been two
years in the house, and had conducted it in a proper manner.
Mr. Holden: You say there are two others.
Mr. Haines replied that there was only one application for an early
opening licence, the others were different – applications to be allowed
to open at five.
Mr. Bradley remarked that the memorial was in favour of what the Bench
had no power to grant – a tidal licence. The signatures also were many
of them in the same writing, and there were crosses to them.
Mr. Haines replied that many of the men could not write, and Mr. Gregg
had permission to put their names, and they appended crosses.
John Galley Gregg was then called, and gave evidence as to his having
been frequently asked to serve men at all hours of the night, and, under
present circumstances, he had to go out and ascertain if their
statements were correct. He said there were between 60 and 70 boats, and
250 fishermen. There were also a good many boats from other ports, and
some of the crews stayed at his house.
Superintendent Taylor said there were no circumstances within his
knowledge which rendered the licence necessary. It was a fact that there
were no early opening licences in Folkestone, but there were in Dover,
but the circumstances were very different. At Dover, market carts came
in from the surrounding districts very early in the morning, and the
drivers wanted refreshments. There were also at Dover large ships coming
in, in addition to the fishermen. It might just as well be argued that
no licences were wanted at Dover because there were none at Folkestone,
as to argue that they were wanted at Folkestone because they had them at
Dover. He urged that there was no necessity for the houses to be open,
and it was very undesirable to make any change in the hours of opening.
Mr. Fitness: You have had no complaints from these fishermen that they
cannot get what they want?
Mr. Haines said he believed in Dover there were something like 33.
Mr. Holden said he had sat on the Bench for many years, and he had never
heard of a single case of hardship.
Mr. Haines said there was a memorial from the fishermen themselves.
Mr. Fitness said they would take that for what it was worth.
Mr. Haines said the men were often out all night, and there were
occasions when they were out all day. It showed what a law abiding
community they were, as they had not used the houses at forbidden hours.
Superintendent Taylor said he could not go so far as that, as there had
been prosecutions.
Mr. Fitness said after the statement of the Superintendent they could
not in all conscience go against it.
Mr. Haines then called Henry George Kirby, of the Chequers, who was an
applicant for permission to open at five.
Mr. Holden asked Mr. Haines if it did not occur to him that if the Bench
granted those applications, they must grant the same to other
applicants. If they took from one end of Radnor Street to the other,
there were about 20 houses.
Mr. Haines answered that the others had not applied. The Bench would try
every one on it's own basis.
Mr. Holden said in all justice they were bound to give it to one as well
as another.
Mr. Haines agreed that it would be so, if they applied for it.
Mr. Bradley said the application did not come from the public, but from
the publicans.
Supt. Taylor said it came from the brewers.
Mr. Haines said there was a large body of men who were employed by the
South Eastern company at the Harbour.
Mr. Bradley: I am sure the South Eastern Company would not support the
application.
Mr. Haines: The men support it.
Mr. Holden: You have made a very eloquent application, but the police
are against you.
Mr. Haines: Of course I must bow to the decision of the Bench.
Mr. Holden: You see where we are. If we give it to one we should have to
give to another.
Mr. Bradley: Mr. Haines has not satisfied you that the thing is either
necessary or desirable.
Mr. Haines said he had a memorial signed by 130 workmen, many of them
South Eastern Railway men, who had to go to work early in the morning to
unload the fruit boats and so on. They could not get refreshments before
they left their own homes.
The Bench decided not to grant the applications, although they
complimented Mr. Haines on the manner in which he had made them.
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Folkestone Herald 23 May 1896.
Police Court Record.
On Saturday Mr. Haines made an application in respect of an exemption
order, required by the Licensing Act, for certain houses in the town. It
was made under Section 36 of the Act. He said he believed that on
licensed houses in the town had this early opening, and the Bench would
see by the evidence put before them as to the desirability of it. If the
Bench should grant this order they would be able to revoke it at any
time.
The first application was from the landlord of the Ship Inn, on The
Stade. This was made in respect of the fishermen and the fishing
industry. They had 70 or 65 boats. These men, after being out fishing,
could not always get into the harbour, and after being out all day they
came in at about 3 o'clock in the morning, and there was no means of
getting the refreshment they desired, as they did not come under the
definition of bona fide travellers. Then again in the mackerel season
boats came in from Newhaven and other ports, and the landlord had
numerous applications in the early morning, and it was with great
difficulty that he could exercise his discretion as to who those men
were. It was not the landlord's intention to keep the place open for
drinking every night, but only when a boat came in. He asked that from 3
to 6 in the morning he should be exempt from closing. He put in a
memorial bearing 85 signatures, signed, he believed, by the men
themselves, for what it was worth. If the Bench thought the hours too
long, he asked them to limit the hours to a shorter period. He did not
think the police had anything against the landlord of the house, Grigg,
who had been there for two years. He asked the Bench to give the matter
consideration, as it had regard to one of the only industries of this
town.
Mr. Grigg stated that he was the licence holder of the Ship Inn. The
fishing industry was something considerable in Folkestone. There were
about 65 boats belonging to that part of the town, and about 250
fishermen. A good many boats came in from neighbouring ports during the
mackerel season. During the year he had many of these boats' crews
knocking him up for refreshment. If the Bench granted this application
it was not his intention to keep the house open always, but only when
knocked up.
Superintendent Taylor said that he was not aware of any circumstances
that made this early opening desirable. Reference was made in a case the
previous week that Dover had early opening houses, but in addition to
the ordinary fishing interest, they had a number of large ships coming
in there. With regard to ships coming in early in the morning from
ports, he had no doubt that if a case of this description was brought
before the Bench, it would be argued that those crews were bona fide
travellers. He did not think early opening necessary. He had received no
complaints from these men about not being able to obtain refreshment.
The section Mr. Haines quoted said that early opening could be granted
where it was necessary and desirable. It had not been desirable
hitherto, and it did not seem to be now.
Mr. Haines said he had another application to make with respect to the
Chequers Inn at the bottom of Dover Street. This was for an opening
order from 5 to 6 in the morning. He put in a memorial supporting the
early opening of this inn, containing 250 signatures. Several of them
were S.E.R. men.
The Chairman of the Bench said he believed there were about 20 public
houses in this part. If they gave the early opening order to one, the
would have in justice to give it to all.
Mr. Haines said the others had not applied for it.
The Chairman said they would be sure to do so. The application was not
granted.
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Folkestone Up To Date 23 May 1896.
Hall Of Justice.
May 16: Before Messrs. Holden, Vaughan, Pledge, and Fitness.
Mr. Haines applied for opening the Harbour Inn (sic) from 3 to 6 a.m. on
behalf of the fishermen whose boats came into the harbour. Strongly
opposed by Superintendent Taylor. Application refused.
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Folkestone Herald 2 July 1898.
Police Court Report.
On Saturday last – the Mayor (Col. Penfold) presiding – Mr. R. Pay was
granted a temporary authority for the Ship Inn.
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Folkestone Chronicle 6 August 1898.
Wednesday, August 3rd: Before Messrs. J. Pledge, W.G. Herbert, W.
Wightwick, and C.J. Pursey.
Mr. Pay was granted permission to sell at the Ship Inn.
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Folkestone Herald 6 August 1898.
Police Court Report
On Wednesday licence was granted to Mr. Pay, Ship Inn.
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Folkestone Up To Date 6 August 1898.
Wednesday, August 3rd: Before J. Pledge, W.C. Herbert, W. Wightwick, and
C.J. Pursey esqs.
Transfer was sanctioned to Mr. Kay, Ship Inn.
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Hythe Reporter 13 August 1898.
Folkestone Police Court.
At the sitting of the Bench of Magistrates last Wednesday, the following
licence was transferred:
Mr. Richard Pay was granted a transfer of the licence of the Ship Inn,
Radnor Street.
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Folkestone Express 11 November 1899.
Saturday, November 4th: Before The Mayor, Col. Westropp, J. Holden, J.
Fitness, J. Pledge, W. Medhurst, T.J. Vaughan, J. Stainer, and W.G.
Herbert Esqs.
Mr. Pope, architect, produced plans for alterations at the Ship Inn,
Radnor Street, which were approved.
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Folkestone Herald 11 November 1899.
Folkestone Police Court.
On Saturday last plans were submitted to the Bench for alterations to
the Ship Inn.
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Folkestone Chronicle 19 January 1901.
Wednesday, January 16th: Before Mr. J. Fitness and Mr. W. Wightwick.
Richard Pay, landlord of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, was charged with
having opened his house during prohibited hours on the 6th of January.
Mr. Minter appeared for the defendant.
Inspector Lilley said that on Sunday, the 6th, in company with P.C.
Sales, he watched the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, and about 7.45 a.m. the
landlord opened the door and took in a milk can. At 8 o'clock he again
opened the door, looked up and down the street, and admitted a man. Four
minutes later the door was opened and the man let out. At the same time
a woman went in. At 8.06 the same procedure was gone through. The woman
was let out, and another woman went in. Two minutes later she came out,
and at 8.14 the door was opened by the landlord, and a fisherman named
Boom went in. At 8.19 Boom was let out, but a minute previous to that
another man, named White, had been let in by the landlord, and he came
out at 8.22. At 8.27 another man, who he believed was the postman, was
let in by the landlord, who remarked that he had been looking for him.
At 8.36 two milkmen were let in by the landlord, and came out again in
two minutes. The door was then opened by defendant's daughter, and a
woman went in. She was let out at 8.45 by the daughter. At 8.50, two
men, one of whom was the fisherman Boom, were let in by the landlord's
son, and they came out again at 8.58. At 9.20 a man named Hall was let
in by Pay's daughter, and came out at 9.28. At 9.32 another man, whom I
had not seen go in, was let out by the landlord, and at 9.41 a woman was
let in, and stayed two minutes. Two men, named Starling and Bliss, were
let in by the landlord at 9.45, and at 10 a woman went in, but came out
at 10.02. At 10.22 Starling and Bliss were let out by Pay, and the
milkman Bailey went in for the second time. Before letting the men out,
the landlord looked up and down the street. At 10.45 a man came along
the street, tapped the window, and was let in by the landlord, and at
10.53, when the landlord opened the door, witness and P.C. Sales went
in. Behind the landlord in a passage was a man named Warman, who
endeavoured to push past, but was stopped. Witness asked the landlord
what the man was doing on the premises, and the landlord replied “I
asked him in to have some breakfast”. On the bar counter were a number
of freshly cleaned glasses, and standing by itself was a glass with a
quantity of froth in it. Witness said to the landlord “I shall report
you for opening your house during prohibited hours”. Pay replied that he
asked Warman to have a bit of breakfast and the beer he had himself. All
the people, witness added, were let in in answer to a signal, either by
a rap on the window or the door, or by walking past. He saw 13 men and 5
women enter and leave. Warman was the last.
P.C. Sales went into the box to give corroborative evidence, when Mr.
Minter said he had been instructed to defend the case, and his defence
would have been as to the man Warman having his breakfast there. But it
was impossible, as he had just pointed out to defendant, that Inspector
Lilley had deliberately perjured himself with regard to all the other
people visiting the house. Defendant had committed the offence, and the
only excuse he could urge was previous good character. Defendant had
been in the house three or four years, and Messrs. Flint, of Canterbury,
for whom he also appeared, had recently rebuilt the house, and had spent
a large sum of money on it, and he need hardly say, on their behalf,
that they would only have a respectable tenant there. Defendant in this
case was a publican and a sinner, but there was perhaps no reason why
they should not temper justice with mercy to the publican. The brewers
would be willing to get rid of the present landlord, but he appealed to
the Magistrates not to endorse the licence, thereby giving Pay another
chance, as by losing the house he would be practically turned into the
street.
The Chairman said the Bench had paid due attention to Mr. Minter's
eloquent appeal. They would not on this occasion be the means of turning
defendant into the street, but they hoped this would be a warning to
him. He would be fined £7 10s. and 17s. 6d. costs, and the licence would
not be endorsed.
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Folkestone Express 19 January 1901.
By The Way.
They are thirsty souls in Radnor Street, and not less so on Sunday than
on Saturday mornings, evidently. Quite a little army of ladies and
gentlemen boarded the old “Ship” on Sunday morning, and when they took
up a glassful of beer they must have “put it down at once”, so quickly
did they reappear. I cannot understand a publican being so foolish as to
run such a terrible risk. In this case again, if Mr. Minter had not
pleaded so eloquently for his client he would certainly have got into a
worse mess. “Go, and sin no more” was the virtual judgement, but the
defendant had to pay £8 odd for his foolish kindness to his thirsty
customers.
Wednesday, January 16th: Before J. Fitness and W. Wightwick Esqs.
Richard Pay was summoned for opening his house, the Ship Inn, Radnor
Street, during prohibited hours for the sale of liquor on Sunday, the
6th Jan. Mr. Minter appeared for the defendant.
Supt. Reeve asked that all the witnesses should leave the Court, and his
request was granted.
Police Inspector Lilley said: On Sunday the 6th I watched the Ship
public house in company with P.C. Sales. About 7.45 the landlord opened
the door and took in a milk can. At eight the landlord opened the door
and looked up and down the street. A man went in. At four minutes past
eight the landlord let the man out and a woman went in. Two minutes
later the woman was let out and another woman went in. Two minutes later
she was let out. At 8.14 the landlord admitted a man named Boorn, a
fisherman. He remained five minutes and left. A minute previous a man
named White was let in, and left at 8.22. At 8.27 another man was let in
by the landlord, he believed a bona fide assistant of the landlord. At
8.36 two men named Ball and Bailey, milkmen, were let in by the
landlord, and remained two minutes. At 8.39 the door was opened by a
young woman and a woman was admitted, and she left at 8.41. At 8.50 two
men were let in by the landlord, one of whom was Boorn, who had been in
previously. They were let in by the landlord's son, and remained eight
minutes. At 9.10 a man named Cook was let out. They had not seen him go
in. At 9.20 a man named Hall was let in by the daughter, and let out at
9.28. At 9.32 a man left who they had not seen go in. At 9.41 a woman
was let in by the landlord, and she left at 9.43. At 9.52 two men named
Starling and Bliss were let in by the landlord. At 10.00 a woman went in
who remained two minutes. At 10.22 Starling and Bliss were let out by
the landlord, and at the same time the milkman Bailey again went in.
Mr. Minter: The second delivery of milk, I suppose.
Witness: He remained two minutes. At 10.45 a man tapped the window and
was let in by the landlord.
Defendant: Ain't you afraid the house will drop in on you?
Witness: At 10.53 the landlord opened the door and I and the police
constable went in. In the passage there was a man named Warman, who
endeavoured to push past me to get out. I stopped him and said to the
landlord “What is this man doing on the premises?” The landlord said “I
asked him in to have some breakfast”. I walked through into the bar, and
on the counter there was a quantity of freshly-cleaned glasses near the
engine, and on the counter standing by itself was a glass which had
recently contained freshly drawn beer, and there was froth reaching from
the top of the glass to the bottom. Warman, the landlord, and P.C. Sales
followed me into the bar. I told the landlord I should report him. He
replied “I asked this man in (pointing to Warman) to have some
breakfast, and the beer I had myself”. I asked Warman for his address,
and he said he had none. All the people were let in in answer to some
signal.
In answer to the Bench, witness said there were really three entrances,
counting the cellar entrance.
Witness, in answer to the Superintendent, said they saw 13 men and five
women enter and leave, and two men they found in the bar.
Mr. Minter asked no question.
P.C. Sales was called to corroborate Lilley's evidence, but Mr. Minter,
having consulted with the defendant, said he would withdraw the plea of
Not Guilty and plead Guilty. He urged in an eloquent address the
defendant's previous food conduct, both as a master mariner and as the
holder of a licence. He said he foolishly served the people as it was
very inclement and cold weather, and gave an assurance that he would not
offend again. Under all the circumstances he asked the Bench to deal
leniently with the defendant, as it was his first offence.
The Bench imposed a fine of £7 10s. and 17s. 6d. costs, but did not
endorse the licence.
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Folkestone Herald 19 January 1901.
Wednesday, January 16th: Before Messrs. J. Fitness and W. Wightwick.
Richard Pay, landlord of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, was charged with
having opened his house during prohibited hours on the 6th January.
The Chief Constable asked that the witnesses be ordered out of Court,
and this was done. Mr. Minter appeared for the defence.
Inspector Lilley said on Sunday, the 6th inst., in company with P.C.
Sales, he watched the Ship Inn, Radnor Street. About 7.45 a.m. the
landlord opened the door and took in a milk can. At 8 o'clock he again
opened the door, looked up and down the street, and a man went in. About
four minutes past the door was again opened by the landlord, and the man
let out. At the same time a woman went in. Two minutes later the same
procedure was gone through, the woman was let out, and another woman
went in. Two minutes later she was let out. At 8.14 the door was again
opened by the landlord, and a fisherman named Bourne went in. At 8.19 he
was let out. A minute previous to that, another man, named White, had
been let in by the landlord, and he was let out at 8.22. At 8.27 another
man was let in by the landlord, who remarked that he had been looking
for him. He believed the last man was the potman. At 8.36 two milkmen
were let in by the landlord, and after two minutes came out. At 8.39 the
door was opened by a young woman – defendant's daughter - and a woman
went in, being let out by the daughter at 8.45. At 8.50 two men, one
being Bourne, who had previously been in, were let in and out again at
8.58 by the landlord's son. At 9.10 a man named Cook was let out by the
son. They had changed their position just previous, and it was possible
they did not see the man go in. At 9.20 a man named Hall was let in by
the daughter, and let out by her at 9.28. At 9.32 a man whom they had
not seen go in was let out by the landlord. At 9.41 a woman was let in
by the landlord, and left two minutes later. Two men, named Staling and
Bliss, were let in by the landlord at 9.45, and at 10 o'clock a woman
went in, coming out at 10.02. At 10.22 Starling and Bliss were let out
by the landlord. The milkman Bailey again went in as they went out. At
10.45 a man came along the street, tapped the window, and was afterwards
let in by the landlord, and at 10.63 the landlord opened the door and
witness and P.C. Sales went in. Behind the landlord in the passage was a
man named Warman, who endeavoured to push past witness to get out. He
stopped him and said to the landlord “What is this man doing on the
premises?” The landlord said he asked him in to have some breakfast.
Witness walked into the bar, and on the counter were a large number of
freshly-cleaned glasses in a lump near the engine, and standing by
itself was a glass with a quantity of froth reaching from the top to the
bottom. Warman, the landlord, and Sales followed him into the bar, and
he told the landlord he would report him for opening his house during
prohibited hours. He replied that he asked Warman to have a bit of
breakfast, and the beer he had himself. Warman refused his address,
saying he had not got one. He told Warman he would be reported. All the
people were let in in answer to a signal, either a rap on the window or
the door, or by walking past. He saw thirteen man and five women enter
and leave. Warman was the last man he saw enter.
P.C. Sales was giving corroborative evidence, when Mr. Minter said he
had been instructed to defend the case, and his defence would have been
as to the man having his breakfast there. It was impossible, as he had
just pointed out to defendant, to suggest that Inspector Lilley had gone
into the box and deliberately perjured himself with regard to all those
people being there. It was no use taking up their time. Defendant had
committed that offence, and the only excuse he could urge was his
previous good character. He had been in the house three or four years,
and Messrs. Flint, of Canterbury, for whom he also appeared, had
recently rebuilt the house. They had spent a large sum of money on it,
and he need hardly say, on their behalf, that they would only have a
respectable tenant there. If the Magistrates decided that the man should
be turned out, Messrs. Flint would fall in with their decision. There
had been no previous complaints about the house. It was the dreadful
snowy weather, and he dared say the people induced the landlord to let
them have what was really a breach of the law. It was not worthwhile to
go into the question of the truth of the statement as to Warman
breakfasting there, although he could prove it. Here, although the
defendant was a publican, he was a sinner, but there was perhaps no
reason why they should not temper justice with mercy to the publican.
Superintendent Reeve said he could prove Warman had his breakfast at his
son-in-law's house.
The Chairman said on this occasion they would not endorse the licence,
or turn the man into the street. He would be fined £7 10s. and 17s. 6d.
costs, and they hoped it would be a warning to him.
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Folkestone Chronicle 15 June 1901.
Wednesday, June 12th: Before Messrs. Hoad, Pursey, Wightwick, and
Pledge, and Lieut. Col. Westropp.
The following licensing transfer was granted: Mr. George Prior, late
landlord of the Warden Inn (sic) (actually Wonder), is going into fields
and pastures new, the Ship Inn being his new venture.
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Folkestone Express 15 June 1901.
Wednesday, June 12th: Before J. Hoad, J. Pledge, C.J. Pursey, and W.
Wightwick Esqs., and Lieut. Col. W.K. Westropp.
Mr. John W. Prior, late of the Wonder Tavern, was granted temporary
authority for the Ship Inn.
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Folkestone Express 10 August 1901.
Wednesday, August 7th: Before W. Wightwick, C.J. Pursey, W.G. Herbert,
and G.I. Swoffer Esqs., and Colonel Keily Westropp.
The following licence was transferred: the Ship Inn to Mr. Fryer (sic).
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Folkestone Herald 10 August 1901.
Wednesday, August 7th: Before Messrs. W. Wightwick, W.G. Herbert, C.J.
Pursey, G.I. Swoffer, and Lieut. Colonel Westropp.
Mr. Fryer (sic) was granted a licence for the Ship Inn.
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Folkestone Chronicle 24 August 1901.
Licensing Sessions.
Wednesday, August 21st: Before Messrs. Hoad, Pursey, Wightwick, Herbert,
and Hamilton.
The Chief Constable said: I offer no objection to the renewal of any of
the present licences, the holders generally appearing desirous of
conducting their houses in accordance with the law. I have received
notice from four persons of their intention to apply for new licences.
Mr. Hoad (the Chairman) asked the Chief Constable if, in his opinion,
any new licences were required.
The Chief Constable: I do not think so, sir. There are, in my opinion,
already too many.
In the case of the licence of the Ship Inn, objection was taken to the
renewal by the Temperance Council (represented by Mr. Bradley, of
Dover), on the ground of a conviction against a former tenant, who was
fined £7 for serving customers during prohibited hours. The present
applicant (Mr. Prior) being a licence holder of some years' standing,
being formerly landlord of the Wonder, and the police having no
complaint of him, Mr. Haines made a formal application for the renewal.
The objectors also took the ground that the locality was more than amply
supplied with licensed houses.
Mr. Minter, on behalf of the owners of the house, commented on the
“audacity” of the attack of the Temperance Council.
The Chairman said that undoubtedly the former licence holder had been
punished, and it was clearly not the intention of the Magistrates to
take away the licence, or it would have been endorsed. The renewal of
the licence would be granted. (Applause).
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Folkestone Express 24 August 1901.
Annual Licensing Meeting.
Wednesday, August 21st: Before J. Hoad, W. Wightwick, W.G. Herbert, C.J.
Pursey, and Lieut. Col. Hamilton.
The existing licences were renewed, with the exception of that of the
Ship Inn.
Mr. M. Bradley, of Dover, on behalf of the Folkestone Temperance
Council, and Mr. James Walker opposed the renewal of the licence of the
Ship Inn to Mr. Prior. Mr. G.W. Haines appeared for the applicant.
The grounds of opposition were that there was a conviction against the
house in the year just passed, and that the house was not required.
Mr. Wightwick: Was the licence endorsed?
Mr. Bradley said it was not, but the fact that a penalty of £7 10s. was
imposed showed that it was not a trivial offence. It was true the
licence had been transferred to a new holder, but that, he contended,
did not remove the effect of the offence against the house at all. It
was no injustice to the owners if they put in tenants who disobeyed the
law. As to the allegations that the house was not required, he said
there were eight licensed houses in Radnor Street, two in North Street,
seven in Beach Street, and three in Seagate Street – in all about 20.
Formal evidence was then given of the notice.
Mr. Walker (in answer to Mr. Haines) said he should not mind if all the
licensed houses were closed. It would be for the good of the town.
Mr. Haines then addressed the Bench on behalf of the applicant, urging
that before the licence of that particular house was refused the Bench
would require some further evidence. Had the convicting Magistrates felt
it was a case which ought to have been dealt with by the Licensing
Justices, the conviction would have been endorsed on the licence. The
applicant was a man of good character, who had held a licence for 12
years, and had paid £250 to go into the Ship, upon which the owners had
just expended £900. It was felt in the country that the number of
licences should be decreased, but the method of doing so had not yet
been arrived at. Taking all the circumstances into consideration, he
asked the Bench to renew the licence.
Mr. Minter, on behalf of the owners, denied most emphatically the false
suggestion of Mr. Bradley that they got rid of the old tenant a few days
before the licensing day in order that there might be a new tenant to
make the application. As a fact, the new tenant took possession in June.
He was a respectable tenant, who was entitled to the confidence of the
Bench. If those whom Mr. Bradley represented had not been so bigoted in
their view that no compensation should be given when a licence was taken
away, it was probable the difficulty of too many houses being in
existence would have been got over, He cited the case of the Tramway
with a view to show that the appellate Court in East Kent had decided
that it was not sufficient ground for refusing a licence that there were
too many in existence.
The Chairman said the Bench had fully considered the matter. The former
holder of the licence had been convicted and fined for what he did
wrong. They saw no reason why the objectors should select that
particular house. It was admitted that it was a subject that wanted
dealing with. Everywhere there were too many licensed houses in certain
localities – more than were required for the wants of the people – but
unless they could bring a stronger case than that against the Ship Inn,
they could not refuse a licence. To teh best of his belief, the Ship had
always been a well conducted house, but the conviction referred to he
knew nothing about. The man was punished, and it appeared the
Magistrates did not think the conviction should be endorsed on the
licence. The Committee considered they could not refuse the licence, and
therefore they granted the renewal.
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Folkestone Herald 24 August 1901.
Annual Licensing Meeting.
Wednesday, August 21st: Before Messrs. J. Hoad, C.J. Pursey, W.
Wiightwick, W.G. Herbert, and Lieut. Colonel Hamilton.
Mr. Prior applied for the renewal of the licence of the Ship Inn, Radnor
Street, which was opposed by the Folkestone Temperance Council. Mr.
Haines supported the application, and Mr. Montagu Bradley opposed.
Mr. Bradley said the grounds on which his clients opposed was that in
January the then licence holder was convicted for having sold
intoxicating liquors on a Sunday morning, and that the licence was not
required. The Magistrates must have considered that the case against the
previous licence holder was strong, or they would not have imposed such
a heavy penalty. In the interests of other holders, it was necessary to
take notice of such cases to encourage them to conduct their houses
properly. The Superintendent had said there were too many licences in
the town. In Radnor Street there were eight; North Street two; Beach
Street seven; and Seagate Street three; making about twenty licences
within a very narrow area.
Mr. Haines asked what evidence the Bench had before them that the house
should be the one to be struck out if there were too many in the town.
He thought it was a piece of impertinence, if they would pardon the
word, asking the Magistrates to come to that decision. His client had
held a licence in the town twelve years, and during that time had had no
complaint against him.
Mr. Minter, on behalf of the owners, said it was common knowledge that
there were too many licensed houses in every town in the kingdom. It was
not the rule in East Kent that because there were too many licences in
the town one should be taken away. That was upheld by the Appellant
Court at Canterbury.
The Chairman said they saw no reason why they should select that house
to take away the licence. They were all aware that there were too many
licensed premises in certain localities. As far as his memory served,
the Ship had always been a well-conducted house, and the licence would
be renewed.
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Folkestone Programme 26 August 1901.
Local News.
The Folkestone Annual Licensing Meeting was held on Wednesday.
The report of the Chief Constable showed that at present there are in
the borough 140 houses licensed for the sale by retail of intoxicating
drink, being an average of one licence for every 219 persons. Four
licence holders had been convicted during the year for offences under
the licensing acts, and eighteen licences had been transferred during
the same period. 116 persons were convicted of drunkenness, and it is
satisfactory to know that of this number only fifty four were residents
in the borough. The Chief Constable stated that he did not intend to
offer any opposition to the renewal of the existing licences, since the
licensees showed a desire to conduct their houses according to law.
The Chairman stated that it was the opinion of the Bench that the report
was altogether satisfactory. In reply to the Chairman (Mr. John Hoad),
the Chief Constable gave it as his opinion that new licences were not
necessary, and that there were already too many licences for the
requirements of the town.
This was the opinion, too, of those who petitioned against the renewal
of some of the existing licences. The Licensed Victuallers' Association
protested against certain statements made with regard to the conduct of
the houses in the town. The Bench merely received these petitions
without comment.
Considerable discussion took place, however, with regard to the renewal
of the licence of the Ship Inn. It would appear that the last landlord
had been convicted of an offence against the licensing law, but his
licence was not endorsed. Since then the house had been well conducted,
and, the Chief Constable having no objection, this licence was renewed.
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Southeastern Gazette 27 August 1901.
Brewster Sessions.
The annual Brewster Sessions were held on Wednesday, before J. Hoad,
Esq., and other Magistrates.
All the existing licences, with the exception of that of the Ship Inn,
were renewed. Mr. M. Bradley, of Dover, on behalf of the Folkestone
Temperance Council, and Mr. James Walker opposed the renewal of the
licence to the Ship Inn to Mr. Prior. Mr. G. W. Haines appeared for the
applicant. The grounds of opposition were shat there was a conviction
against the house in the year just passed, and that the house was not
required. The renewal was granted.
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Folkestone Chronicle 23 May 1903.
Saturday, May 16th: Before Alderman G. Spurgen, Mr. J. Pledge, Lieut.
Col. Westropp, Mr. W.C. Carpenter, Mr. T.J. Vaughan, Lieut. Colonel
Fynmore, Mr. G. Peden, and Mr. J. Stainer.
James May, a mariner, appeared to answer a summons for assaulting
another mariner, names Charles Taylor. Mr. G.W. Haines appeared for May.
Complainant said he resided at 15, East Street. On Monday, the 11th
inst., he went to the Ship Inn. Defendant came in after him, and brought
up an argument about some rope, which he alleged complainant lost for
him some 18 months ago. Witness denied losing the rope, and asked why
that should be brought up after all that time. On going out into the
street, defendant hit him in the eye and knocked him down. He was
unconscious for a minute, and his eye remained closed until Thursday
night. He had not been able to go to sea for a week, and reminded the
Bench that he had a wife and three children to keep.
Cross- examined: Witness denied that the injury to his eye was caused as
he fell down. He also denied annoying the defendant by arguing and
pushing close up to him.
Fredk. Bayley, another mariner of the same address, corroborated the
complainant, but in answer to Mr. Haines that they all left the Ship
arguing about the rope. They were all perfectly sober, he added.
Mr. Haines said it was not denied that his client did push complainant,
but defendant would go into the box and state that there was an argument
about some lost rope. Complainant annoyed his client by becoming
offensive and pushing up close to him. Defendant thereupon pushed him
and complainant fell down. In that way his eye was injured.
May went into the box and bore out this version of the case, but added
that it was only 12 months ago that the rope was lost.
This the Chairman cut short by saying the Bench considered the case
proved, and defendant would be fined 5s. and 12s. costs.
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Folkestone Express 23 May 1903.
Saturday, May 16th: Before Aldermen Spurgen and Vaughan, Lieut. Cols.
Westropp and Fynmore, G. Peden, J. Pledge, W.C. Carpenter and J. Stainer
Esqs.
James May was summoned for assaulting Chas Taylor. Mr. Haines appeared
for the defendant.
Complainant stated that on Monday night he was in the bar of the Ship
Inn, Radnor Street, about 6.20. Shortly after, defendant came in and
started an argument about some lines that were lost at sea about 18
months ago.
Complainant remarked that it was rather late to bring the matter up.
Thereon defendant struck him a violent blow in the eye, which knocked
him down. Defendant was about to strike complainant as he lay on the
ground, when a man named Bailey said “Don't hit him while he is on the
ground”. Defendant then struck Bailey.
Witness, who was examined at some length by Mr. Haines, denied that he
insulted defendant.
Frederick Bailey corroborated.
Defendant then entered the witness box and stated that he met
complainant and Bailey in the bar of the Ship Inn. A dispute arose about
some nets which were lost some time previously. High words ensued, and
witness pushed complainant, who fell down, and struck his eye on the
ground.
The Bench considered the case proved, and inflicted a fine of 5s. and
12s. costs.
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Folkestone Herald 23 May 1903.
Saturday, May 16th: Before Aldermen G. Spurgen and T.J. Vaughan,
Councillor G. Peden, Lieut. Colonels Westropp and Fynmore, Messrs. W.C.
Carpenter, J. Pledge, and J. Stainer.
James May was summoned by Charles Taylor for assault. Defendant, who
pleaded Not Guilty, was represented by Mr. G.W. Haines. Both parties are
fishermen.
According to complainant's evidence, they were in the Ship Inn, Radnor
Street, shortly after six o'clock the previous Monday night, when a
dispute occurred between tem respecting “some belongings” which May
alleged complainant had lost at sea. Taylor resented this, whereupon May
struck him a blow in the eye with his fist, knocking him down. Owing to
the occurrence he (Taylor) had not been able to go to sea.
Replying to Mr. Haines, witness said he did not make himself very
offensive to defendant. There was a little bit of argument, but nothing
to speak of.
Frederick Bailey, a fisherman, gave corroborative evidence.
On oath, defendant stated that as defendant kept sticking his nose in
his face he pushed him away. Taylor fell to the ground, but got up again
with the intention of striking, and he (defendant) only struck back in
self defence.
The Bench considered the case proved, and imposed a fine of 5s. with
12s. costs, or, in default, seven days' imprisonment.
The money was paid.
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Folkestone Chronicle 17 June 1905.
Local News.
“It would take all the ---- policemen in Folkestone to lock me up” was
the defiant remark of Thos. Riley, who hails from the Emerald Isle, when
P.C. Simmonds asked him to go home quietly and not make such a noise. It
did not require the whole force as Mr. Riley prophesied, but still a
goodly number of stalwart constables found plenty of employment in
conveying him to the cells.
On Friday Mr. Riley appeared before the Folkestone Bench, charged with
being drunk and causing a disturbance, and had a little conversation
with The Mayor.
The Mayor: Well, Riley, what have you to say for being drunk in the
highway?
Prisoner: Nothing, sir. I am very sorry.
The Mayor: Well, you know, Riley, you have been found Guilty of being
drunk, and under the circumstances you will have to pay a fine of 2s.
6d. and 4s. 6d. costs, or in default seven days' hard labour.
Prisoner: Will you allow me time, sir?
The Mayor: Is there anything known about him?
The Chief Constable: He was here two years ago.
The Mayor: Are you a ratepayer?
The Chief Constable: He is a visitor at the Old Ship, Radnor Street.
(Laughter) On the last occasion when he was allowed time it took him 18
months to pay.
The Mayor: You must go to Canterbury, and don't let us see you again.
The prisoner left the dock with a smile which seemed to say that he
rather enjoyed the prospect.
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Folkestone Daily News 11 December 1908.
Friday, December 11th: Before Messrs. Banks, Leggett, Stainer, and
Swoffer.
George S. Weatherhead was charged with wilfully damaging a plate glass
window at the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, doing damage to the extent of 7s.
6d.
Mr. Prior, landlord of the Ship Inn, said just before eleven last night
the prisoner came into his house, and commenced to quarrel with a man
inside. Witness ordered him to leave the house, and he refused, so
witness ejected him. When prisoner got outside he stood on the doorstep
and prevented witness from closing the door. Witness pushed him off the
step and closed the door, whereupon prisoner put his fist through the
plate glass panel of the door. The damage done amounted to 7s. 6d. A
constable came along, and witness gave him into custody.
Prisoner said the window was broken accidentally, and he had offered to
pay for it.
He was fined 5s., 4s. 6d. costs, and the damage 7s. 6d., or 14 days'
hard labour.
Prisoner asked for time to pay, but was refused.
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Folkestone Express 19 December 1908.
Friday, December 11th: Before Alderman Banks and Messrs. J. Stainer,
G.I. Swoffer, and R.J. Linton.
George S. Weatherhead was charged with committing wilful damage by
breaking a panel of glass in the door of the Ship Inn. He pleaded
Guilty.
Mr. Prior, landlord of the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, said shortly before
eleven the previous night defendant came into the house. He began to
quarrel with someone, so witness ordered him to leave the house. He
would not go, so he ejected him. He prevented witness from closing the
door, and when he asked him to go home he refused to go. Witness pushed
him off the step and closed the door. The prisoner then put his fist
through the glass panel, which would cost 7s. 6d. to replace. P.C.
Simmons came up, and witness gave him into custody.
Prisoner said he broke it accidentally. He offered to pay for the damage
done. He was sorry it had occurred, and he had not broken it for the
purpose.
The Chief Constable said the prisoner was a Folkestone man, and had
eight convictions against him, the last being fifteen months ago.
Fined 5s. and 4s. 6d. costs, and the damage, 7s. 6d., or fourteen days'
hard labour.
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Folkestone Herald 28 June 1930.
Inquest.
A party from the Ship Inn, Radnor Street, Folkestone, had a most
distressing experience on Monday afternoon, when their charabanc, driven
by Mr. Henry Freeman Sarjeant, of Oaks Road, Cheriton, came into
collision with a motorcyclist at Willesborough. The cyclist, Mr. Cedric
Alfred White, agent, of 18, North Street, Ashford, died before the
ambulance reached the scene of the accident. It appears that the
deceased was riding his motor bicycle down Lees Road, Willesborough, and
turning into the main road from Lacton Hall to Kennington, came into
collision with the charabanc.
An inquest was held on Tuesday afternoon, when evidence was given by
deceased's son, Cedric Alfred Wright, 18, North Street, Ashford, who
said his father was an experienced motorcyclist, and had ridden a motor
bicycle for about five years.
George Charles Prior, Ship Inn, Radnor Street, Folkestone, said he was a
passenger in Mr. Sarjeant's charabanc, sitting next to the driver. He
was looking round, and did not see the accident. He felt the bus swerve
suddenly to the right, there was a crash, and the bus stopped. The bus
was going very slowly at the time of the accident. He did not hear a
horn sounded.
P.C. Legge said he found the charabanc standing in the road, and lying
across, and partly under the charabanc, was a motor bicycle. A little in
front of the bicycle was the body of the deceased, who was dead.
Deceased's head was lying against the kerb. There was a skid mark 33ft.
long from the point of impact to where the bus stopped. Twenty one feet
from the point of impact there were marks where the charabanc had
swerved across the road. There was a mark on the near side front dumb
iron of the charabanc, and the starting handle was bent back. The front
wheel of the motorcycle was jammed up under the front part of the frame
of the charabanc. The view of the side road was obscured by a stone wall
and a hedge. Mr. Sarjeant said to witness “I was coming down this
street, and when I got practically on the corner a motorcyclist came out
round the corner. I looked to see if he was coming up the road. As soon
as I spotted him I served across the road to avoid him. The cyclist
seemed to half turn and went across the front of my car and the car
struck him. I sounded my horn”.
Dr. J.C. Hodgson, Ashford, said deceased had a fracture at the base of
his skull, which caused death. Witness said he drove a car, and where
the accident happened was a most dangerous corner.
Mr. Sarjeant intimated that he did not wish to give evidence.
The jury returned a verdict of death from misadventure, and recommended
that the corner should be widened.
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Folkestone Express 13 February 1932.
Annual Licensing Sessions.
Wednesday, February 10th: Before Alderman R.G. Wood, The Mayor, Alderman
A.E. Pepper, Mr. J.H. Blamey, Alderman T.S. Franks, Eng. Rear Admiral
L.J. Stephens, Mr. F. Seager, Mr. W. Griffin, Dr. W. Nuttall, Miss A.M.
Hunt, Councillor Mrs. E. Gore, Mr. S.B. Corser, and Councillor the Hon.
Mrs. N.E. Howard.
The Bench granted music licences for the use of wireless concerts at the
Ship Hotel and the Black Bull.
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Folkestone Herald 13 February 1932.
Annual Licensing Sessions.
The Magistrates were: Alderman R.G. Wood, The Mayor, Alderman A.E.
Pepper, Mr. W. Griffin, Dr. W.W. Nuttall, Mr. J.H. Blamey, Miss A.M.
Hunt, Mrs. E. Gore, Alderman T.S. Franks, Rear Admiral L.J. Stephens,
the Hon. Mrs. N. Howard, Mr. F. Seager and Mr. S.B. Corser.
Music licences were granted to the Ship Hotel and the Black Bull Hotel
so that wireless concerts might be given on the licensed premises.
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Folkestone Express 7 October 1933.
Council Meeting Extract.
The Folkestone Town Council on Wednesday approved of the Health
Committee's recommendations concerning the scheme for dealing with the
whole of Radnor Street as a slum clearance, and further progress will
therefore be possible in connection with the rebuilding of the area. The
scheme include the compulsory purchase of four licensed houses, lodging
houses, a restaurant, stores, temporary buildings for amusement, and
workshops.
The Health Committee's recommendations dealing with the matter were as
follows: (extract)
Resolved: That Compulsory Purchase Orders be made for the purchase by
the Council; that there shall be included in the above-mentioned
Compulsory Purchase Orders the under-mentioned properties and such other
properties which are surrounded by or adjoin the clearance area,
including: Radnor Street, No. 59, public house (Packet Boat Inn); No.
24, public house (Jubilee Inn); No. 30, public house (Oddfellows Arms);
No. 38, public house (Ship Inn)
Councillor Dallas Brett said with regard to the four public houses those
were matters presenting somewhat of a difficulty. It was a difficulty
which had not been got over at the present moment, because it had not
been tackled, but he was informed at the Ministry in other schemes
throughout the country, where public houses had existed and had to be
got rid of, private arrangement with the brewers had been made, which
had been more satisfactory than would have been thought possible He
proposed to ask his Committee to give instructions to himself and the
Town Clerk to see what arrangements could be made. Whatever they did,
they had got to realise that the whole area had to be cleared, and that
they included in their plans two very valuable sites for public house
property, to take the place of one or two or more of the houses which
were in existence in Radnor Street at the present time. It was a matter
of negotiations.
Councillor Barfoot said he believed that the scheme would be materially
reduced if the stores and two public houses on the Fish Market were left
as they were, and if the houses which it was proposed to build on that
site were built on what was now the amusement park.
The resolution confirming the adoption of the recommendations was almost
unanimously carried.
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Folkestone Express 6 October 1934.
Council Meeting Extract.
On Wednesday the Folkestone Town Council had before them the letter from
the Ministry of Health in which they practically approved of the
Council's scheme for making a slum clearance area. They made
suggestions, however, for a few properties to be excluded in order to
lessen the cost of the scheme.
The Health Committee, in consequence, in their minutes recommended the
preparation of fresh plans in order to provide for forty houses on the
site, and also that the three licensed houses, which were to be dealt
with under the original scheme, should be allowed to remain. The
Council, without any discussion, approved of the recommendations.
The Town Clerk submitted the following letter from the Ministry of
Health (extract): Ministry of Health, Whitehall, S.W. 1. 30th August,
1934. “At the same time the Council will appreciate that when the
inclusion of expensive properties is proposed it is necessary to
consider carefully whether the cost of their acquisition does not
outweigh their benefit to the scheme, and in this connection the
estimated cost of acquiring the licensed premises in the area is of
particular importance. The conclusion which the Minister has reached is
that the properties reference Nos. 88, 91, and 97 should be excluded”.
Note: It is unclear which three properties this refers to, as originally
there were to be four licensed houses cleared. I suspect that it means
the Oddfellows, Ship, and Jubilee.
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Folkestone Express 24 November 1934.
Council Meeting Extract.
A general scheme for the re-housing of the Radnor Street area was
definitely approved by the General Purposes Committee of the Folkestone
Town Council at their meeting yesterday (Thursday).
The Borough Surveyor submitted a report and description of the proposed
lay-out of the Radnor Street area.
The proposal assumes that the licensed houses will be moved to
alternative and more commodious sites, and it is desirable that these
premises should be moved, as only by these means can a symmetrical and
generally accepted lay-out be obtained.
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Folkestone Express 26 January 1935.
Editorial.
The Folkestone Council are making material progress with the scheme for
the clearance of the slums in Radnor Street, and this will undoubtedly
be pleasing to the majority of Folkestone people. Practically all
opposition to the scheme in the Council Chamber has vanished, and it is
clear that the members are determined that without any delay now the
operations will be pushed forward to a successful conclusion. Yesterday
the General Purposes Committee considered the Health Committee minutes
in connection with the further development of the scheme, and the
members were almost unanimous concerning the Committee's decisions.
These were mainly concerned with the licensed houses in teh area. These
might have provided a very knotty problem, for they were left out of the
proposed scheme by the Health Minister's order. Unless something had
been done in this direction three of the houses would have remained as
they were, and would have undoubtedly proved an eyesore set amidst a
modern and what will be a model housing estate. The Town Clerk (Mr. C.F.
Nicholson) was instructed to negotiate with the owners of the Jubilee
Inn, the Oddfellows Arms and the Ship Inn, and he is certainly to be
complimented upon the able manner in which he carried out those
negotiations, and which will certainly contribute towards the ultimate
success of the scheme. The present three houses will, if the proposals
go through as it is hoped, be demolished and will be re-built within the
layout of the whole scheme. This will necessitate an exchange of land,
and the owners will receive an added piece of land. Another licensed
house in the area will disappear, but that will be a matter of purchase.
The re-erection of modern licensed houses will certainly add to the
effectiveness of the clearance of the whole of the area. The purchase of
three houses in Radnor Street not included in the order will also give
added scope for dealing with the whole of the area in a manner which
will resound to the credit of Folkestone. In order that the re-housing
of people from the area and other areas can be efficaciously carried
out, the Committee yesterday also agreed to the erection of 32
additional houses on the Hill Road Housing Estate. Everyone who has
consideration for those people who have had to live in houses not worthy
of being called houses will assuredly agree with this extension of the
Corporation estate. It looks like being full steam ahead now with regard
to the Radnor Street slum clearance, and those who have regard for the
fair name of Folkestone will be exceedingly pleased.
Council Meeting Extract.
Yesterday (Thursday) the General Purposes Committee of the Folkestone
Town Council had before them the recommendations of the Health Committee
regarding the Radnor Street slum clearance scheme, and by their approval
considerable progress will be made in the proposals for the demolition
of the property. The recommendations include the demolition of three of
the licensed houses on the sit and their removal on to different sites,
and the removal of one house altogether.
The Health Committee's recommendations were as follows:- Radnor Street
Area: (a) Licensed Houses: The Town Clerk reported that, as instructed
by the Committee, he had been in negotiation with the owners of the
licensed houses excluded from the provisions of the Folkestone (Radnor
Street No. 1) Housing Confirmation Order, 1934. The result of the
negotiations is as follows: Jubilee Inn: The owners of this house are
prepared to erect a new house on the site provisionally allocated for
this purpose in the lay-out plan approved by the Council, subject to the
cleared site being conveyed to them in exchange for the site of the
existing Jubilee Inn. Oddfellows Arms: The owners of this house are also
prepared to erect a new house on the site provisionally allocated for
this purpose in the lay-out plan approved by the Council. This proposal
will also involve an exchange of lands, and is subject to the
Corporation agreeing to compensate the tenant for his trade fixtures and
fittings, such compensation to be fixed by a valuer to be agreed upon.
Ship Inn: No definite decision has yet been received from the owners of
this house, but it is likely that they will also agree to demolish and
re-build this house on a site in the vicinity of the present house. The
arrangement will also involve an exchange of lands. The whole of the
above mentioned arrangements are, of course, subject to the approval of
the Licensing Justices.
Resolved that the committee approve in principle of the above mentioned
arrangements.
Councillor Lillie said that meeting was brought forward a week in order
that the negotiations which the Town clerk had had in connection with
the licensed houses could be considered. If the licence holders had to
transfer their licence from the present house to the house it was
proposed to build no time should be lost in considering the
recommendations in order that the owners could be informed so that they
could appear before the Justices at the Brewster Sessions and make
application for their transfer. He would like the Committee to express
their approval of those negotiations, and also to make any remarks they
wished in regard to any items on those proceedings. He moved that the
minutes be approved. Alderman Mrs. Gore seconded.
Councillor Barfoot: Do you not think as the public houses are to be
pulled down an attempt should be made to reduce the number there? There
certainly does not appear to be any need for three in teh area. Cannot
an application be made to the licensing authorities to have the number
reduced?
Councillor Mrs. Thiselton: How many houses have to be sacrificed if the
Ship Inn is to be given a plot?
The Town Clerk: If it remains as it is it will take the site of two
houses.
Councillor Hart asked the Town Clerk whether the Ministry of Health did
not state that the licensed houses should not be reduced.
The Town Clerk: They did not say that. The Ministry excluded the
licensed houses under the Compulsory Purchase Order, which prevented you
from acquiring the properties. The point raised by Councillor Barfoot is
quite a different matter. I understand representations were made
comparatively recently to have one removed.
Alderman Stainer: That was about a year ago.
The Town Clerk: And the licensing Justices decided not to refuse the
licence.
Councillor Barfoot: The circumstances have altered.
The Mayor: In what respect?
The Town clerk: There is one house going. We are acquiring one of the
four there at present.
Councillor Johnson: Have we any information about trade done by these
houses – the barrelage?
Councillor Gadd: On a point of order. Is this not a question of slum
clearance and not redundancy of licence? Have we any authority for
dealing with redundancy this morning?
The Mayor: We have not. It will have to be brought up by an outside
authority. At the present time it is not before us.
Councillor Mrs. Thiselton said they offered doubling the plot of land
for the re-building of the public houses. Land constituted wealth, so
they were offering something in the shape of wealth to the owners of the
licensed houses. They were having to buy those new houses, and they had
a number of deficiencies which were caused through having to give up
that land.
The Town Clerk: It is not so.
Councillor Mrs. Thiselton said when they were in Committee the Town
clerk asked the Borough Engineer why he could not squash the houses up a
little more, and the Borough Engineer said it was impossible. It was
then discussed that they should buy the three additional houses.
The Mayor: That was more from the point of view of giving a better
approach to the houses.
Councillor Thiselton: I deny that.
The Town Clerk said he wished to explain that the Minister merely said
that they were not to spend £20,000 to buy public houses.
Councillor Mrs. Thiselton said it was no use discussing that; the public
houses were there. She was referring to the first meeting after the
Ministry's decision was published.
The Town Clerk said the Minister's order excluded the public houses in
order that the expense of acquiring them might be avoided. As, at any
rate, two of them interfered with the lay-out it became incumbent upon
them to arrange for their removal on some terms. The owners had agreed
to remove them all to other sites on the terms of exchanging land. They,
therefore, got the houses removed from their present sites as they
desired, at no cost other than that the sites on which they were going
were slightly larger than the sites on which the present houses stood.
“I have”, he said “seen the Ministry of Health of those proposals. They
think the proposals before you are extremely satisfactory”. They had got
the removal of the three licensed places from their present lay-out at a
very small cost indeed.
Councillor Davis said in four or five years' time the question of
redundancy might come up again. Would it not then cost more than it
would today to reduce the number? That was what he thought Councillor
Barfoot was driving at.
The Town clerk: Why should it be suggested in five years that you would
want to buy a new house?
Councillor Davis: It would not cost so much now.
The Town Clerk said the question of redundancy had nothing to do with
the Council. If there was a wish to reduce them in five or six years'
time there was the question of redundancy to consider, and that would
have to be decided by the Compensation Authority.
The Mayor: This question does not come within the scope of this Council.
Councillor Barfoot: Was it not understood that on the site of Nos. 5, 7,
and 9 a public house would be built on that corner?
Several members: No.
Councillor Kent said if that scheme was carried out they would have
three modern public houses with adequate accommodation, which they did
not possess now. The arrangements were, he considered, splendid.
The Mayor said he was present at the meeting of the Health Committee,
and he thought they were all indebted to the Town Clerk for the very
able manner in which he had carried out very delicate negotiations. He
thought the Council had done exceedingly well, and he considered the
best thing they could do was to agree to those recommendations
unanimously.
The resolution approving the minutes was carried, only Mrs. Thiselton
voting against it.
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Folkestone Express 9 February 1935.
Council Meeting Extract.
The monthly meeting of the Town Council was held on Wednesday.
The Radnor Street Scheme.
Councillor Mrs. Thiselton said she would like to know if Nos. 5, 7, and
9, Radnor Street had been offered for the re-building of the Ship Inn.
Councillor Lillie said Councillor Mrs. Thiselton had learned there was a
wish by the owners of one of the licensed houses in the area to build a
new public house on the site of the three houses. The offer was still
open and they could negotiate with the Council. He thought he could hold
out no hope that they were likely to do so.
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Folkestone Express 16 February 1935.
Annual Licensing Sessions.
The annual Licensing Sessions was held on Wednesday at the Folkestone
Town Hall, when the Chief Constable (Mr. A.S. Beesley) reported that
there had only been 15 convictions for drunkenness, the number being the
same as the previous year. One licence, that of the Mechanics Arms, was
referred to the adjourned licensing sessions, all the others being
renewed. The licensing hours were extended for the whole of the summer
time period by half an hour, from 10 p.m. to 10.30 p.m. on weekdays.
Mr. R.G. Wood presided, and a number of Magistrates were on the Bench.
Radnor Street Licensed Houses.
Several of the clergy and ministers and representatives of various
religions and temperance bodies were present in Court, evidently with a
view to watching the proceedings concerning the licensed houses in the
Radnor Street area. Mr. C.F. Nicholson, the Town Clerk, was also
present.
The Chairman asked the Town Clerk if he had anything to say.
Mr. Nicholson said he really did not quite understand the position with
regard to the licences in the Radnor Street area. Did they want him to
explain what the Corporation's proposals would be?
The Clerk (Mr. C. Rootes): These licences will be renewed today?
Mr. Nicholson: Certainly.
The Clerk: Nothing comes in force until next year?
Mr. Nicholson: The Corporation do not own any of the licences for the
moment. I did not anticipate I should have to explain anything today.
The Chairman: We are asked to renew four licences in the area. We have
no official information. It is a question whether they should be renewed
or referred to the adjourned sessions. We know something by newspapers.
We can defer the renewal and in the meantime think over what action we
shall take.
Mr. Nicholson: The owners of these houses are not represented this
morning. Is it proper for me to say anything about it?
The Chairman: Why are you here?
Mr. Nicholson: I did not ask to be here.
The Rev. Dr. Carlile: Is this an application now being made for the
renewal of the four licences? If so, have the applications been made in
order?
The Clerk, to Mr. Nicholson: Is there anything you have to officially
mention? In the ordinary course there is an application for the renewal
of all the licences, which does not affect what you are doing in the
Radnor Street area.
Mr. Nicholson: I am not making any application this morning.
The Chairman: We would like to have some information of what is likely
to happen.
Mr. Nicholson said as they were probably aware the Corporation had
submitted to the Ministry of Health a compulsory purchase order. There
were four licensed houses in the area. The Ministry declined to allow
the Corporation to purchase three of the houses and they were struck out
of the order. The remaining house, the Packet Boat, would be acquired by
the Corporation as a going concern. It so happened that the Jubilee, the
Ship, and the Oddfellows Arms, where they now stood, interfered with the
proposed lay-out of the new houses, and on instructions he entered into
negotiations with the owners. Two of them, the Jubilee and the
Oddfellows Arms, agreed to re-erect, subject to the approval of the
Magistrates, on alternative sites that would enable the Corporation's
lay-out scheme to be proceeded with. With regard to the Ship Inn, he had
not yet received the decision of the owners as to whether they were
prepared to pull down and re-erect a new house. The terms of the
arrangements with the Jubilee and the Oddfellows were subject to
applications which would be made to them in due course. There was to be
an exchange of land in connection with them. There was to be no cost to
the Corporation other than paying the tenant for the trade fixtures.
With regard to the Ship Inn, he had not obtained information whether
they were prepared to pull down. That house did not interfere with the
scheme so much as the other two. It would be much better for the scheme
if that house was pulled down and re-erected, but the Corporation could
not insist upon it. The other owners had done all they could to assist
in their scheme. The Packet Boat would be definitely acquired. Notice to
treat had been served and a claim had been sent in. The Ministry
confirmed the order which included that house.
Mr. E.H. Philcox, who stated he represented a number of residents in
that area, said he would like to raise a question on the renewal of the
houses.
The Clerk: I cannot see you have any locus standi.
Mr. Philcox asked if the matter for the removals would come up at the
adjourned sessions. If so, he would be there to object. It seemed to him
they would be able that day to only provisionally renew the licences for
the time being, or mention that they would be referred on the ground of
redundancy.
Dr. Carlile said a very considerable number of residents were interested
in those four licences. If there was any consideration of the question
of the renewal of the licences they definitely asked that their views
might be considered in reference to redundancy.
The Chairman enquired what the police view was.
The Chief Constable said at the Magistrates' primary meeting he received
instructions to go into the question of redundancy and ascertain whether
it would be possible to differentiate between the houses. He did so and
he found some considerable difficulty in saying because it was an
established fact that there were not too many licensed houses for the
summer trade in the area. All the houses did extremely well. Whether
they were structurally adapted or not was open to enquiry. The houses
less structurally fitted were doing a better trade. More customers were
in those pokey houses than in the better houses. There was, he supposed,
a psychological reason for it. He had had a system of paying monthly
visits and it gave him a line on the trade. He had selected a certain
number of houses and they had put them into three groups.
The Chief Constable then described the groups and gave details of the
numbers of customers in them at certain times. The first group consisted
of the Mechanics Arms, the Honest Lawyer, and the Harvey Hotel. The
second group included the Harbour Hotel, the True Briton, the London and
Paris Hotel, and the Princess Royal. The third group were the Alexandra
Hotel, Royal George, South Foreland, the Wonder, the Pavilion Shades,
the Chequers, the Wellington, the Royal Oak, and the Lifeboat.
The Magistrates retired to consider the matter and on their return the
Chairman said they had decided to renew all the licences with the
exception of the Mechanics Arms, which they renewed until the adjourned
licensing sessions when it would be considered with regard to
redundancy.
Dr. Carlile: Then no objection can be taken here and now, or in any
other place, to the four licences involved in the scheme?
The Clerk: There will be applications for removals later and anyone can
be heard at the time those applications are made. That is the position.
The Chairman: It will be better for the objections to be raised when the
transfer comes along.
Dr. Carlile: It puts us at a very serious disadvantage. There will only
be a question of renewal then.
The Chairman: It is a question of renewing them for one year now.
Dr. Carlile: It will be a question of the removal of licences that have
already been granted.
The Chairman: That is the position.
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Folkestone Herald 16 February 1935.
Annual Licensing Sessions.
Another year of sobriety was reported by the Chief Constable (Mr. A.S.
Beesley) to the Licensing Magistrates at the annual Licensing Sessions
for the Borough, which were held at the Town Hall on Wednesday. All the
licenses were renewed with the exception of that of the Mechanics’ Arms,
which was referred to the adjourned annual Sessions with a view to the
question of redundancy being considered. During the Sessions reference
was made to the four licensed houses in the Radnor Street area, a
statement being made by the Town Clerk.
The Magistrates were Mr. R.G. Wood, Mr. A.E. Pepper, Mr. J.H. Blarney,
Dr. W.W. Nuttall, Alderman T.S. Franks, Alderman Mrs. E. Gore, Mr. P.
Seager, Alderman W. Hollands and Alderman J.W. Stainer.
The Chief Constable presented his report (for details see Folkestone
Express).
The Town Clerk (Mr. C. F. Nicholson) was present and it was suggested he
should address the Magistrates. He said that he did not quite understand
what they wanted him to tell them.
The Clerk (Mr. C. Rootes): What is the position of the licensed houses
in the Radnor Street area?
The Town Clerk: You want me to explain what the effect of the
Corporation’s proposals in regard to the Radnor Street area will be?
The Clerk: These licences won’t be renewed, will they?
The Town Clerk: Certainly. The Corporation don’t own any of the licences
at the moment.
The Clerk: They may.
The Town Clerk: Only one. If the Bench want me to explain what the
position is likely to be I shall be pleased to do so.
The Chairman said they were asked to renew four licences in the area.
They had no official information as to what would happen to them. The
question arose whether they should be renewed that morning or put over
to the adjourned Sessions.
The Town Clerk pointed out that the owners of the houses were not
represented that morning. Was it proper for him to say anything about it
in their absence?
The Chairman: Why are you here?
The Town Clerk explained that he was asked to come.
The Clerk said he thought the Magistrates might like some information.
Dr. J.C. Carlile, who was present with other clergy and ministers, then
asked if an application was now being made for the renewal of these
licences in the Radnor Street area.
The Clerk (to the Town Clerk): Is there anything you have to mention
this morning why the licences should not be renewed in the ordinary way?
The Town Clerk said it would not affect what the Corporation were doing
in the Radnor Street area if the licences were renewed. He pointed out
that he was making no application to the Magistrates that morning. As
they were probably aware the Corporation had submitted to the Ministry
of Health a Compulsory Purchase Order for the acquisition of most of the
properties in the Radnor Street area. Included in the order were four
licensed houses, the Jubilee Inn, the Oddfellows’ Inn, the Ship Inn and
the Packet Boat Inn. When the Minister came to consider the order he
declined to allow the Corporation to purchase three of those houses, the
Jubilee, the Oddfellows’ and the Ship. They were struck out of the order
on the ground of the expense which would be involved if the Corporation
had to acquire them. The remaining house, the Packet Boat Inn, would be
acquired by the Corporation. It so happened that the position of the
Jubilee Inn and the Oddfellows’ Inn as they stood at the present time
interfered with the proposed lay-out of the new houses. On the
instructions of the Corporation he had entered into negotiations with
the owners of the houses concerned and two of them, namely the Jubilee
and the Oddfellows, had agreed, subject to the approval of the
Magistrates, to pull down and build new houses on alternative sites.
That would enable the Corporation’s lay-out scheme to be proceeded with,
but with regard to the other house, the Ship Inn, he had not yet
received the decision of the owners of that house as to whether they
were prepared to pull down and erect a new house on a new site. These
terms of the arrangements with the owners of the Jubilee and Oddfellows’
were subject to an application which would be made to the Magistrates in
due course. The owners of the houses were conveying to the Corporation
the sites of their existing houses in exchange for sites on which they
would build new houses. There was to be no cost to the Corporation other
than certain compensation to the tenant. In spite of the fact that the
houses were struck out of the order, the way in which the owners had met
the Corporation would enable the lay-out scheme to be proceeded with as
they desired.
The Chairman: That’s for two of the houses?
The Town Clerk replied that that was so. With regard to the Ship Inn, as
he had stated, he had not yet obtained the decision of the owners of the
house. If they decided to stay where they were, their house would not
interfere with the scheme so much as the other two had done. It would
mean that their house would abut in front of a line of cottages which
were going to be built there.
The Chairman: It won’t seriously interfere with you?
The Town Clerk: No, but it would be much better if they would. We cannot
insist on them doing so. The other owners have done all they can to meet
the wishes of the Corporation. Continuing, the Town Clerk said the
fourth house was the Packet Boat Inn which was to be acquired by the
Corporation.
Dr. Carlile: Is it?
The Clerk: Don’t interrupt, please.
Continuing, the Town Clerk said notice to treat had been served and a
claim had been sent in. That house was being acquired because the site
was definitely required in connection with the lay-out scheme, and the
Ministry had confirmed an order which included that house but excluded
the other three.
Mr. E.H. Philcox, a solicitor, then rose and asked permission to speak.
He stated that he represented a number of residents in the area: He
wanted to address the Bench on the question of the renewal of these
licences.
The Clerk said he could not see any locus standi.
Mr. Philcox said when the matter did come before them again in
connection with the removals of these houses he would be there to object
on behalf of a number of residents. It did seem to him, however, that it
would be more satisfactory if they only provisionally renewed those
licences that day. Amongst the points he would make would be one on the
grounds of redundancy.
Dr. Carlile said if the Magistrates were going to discuss this matter he
wished to point out that a considerable number of residents were
interested in these four houses and if there was any consideration of
the question of the renewal of these licences then they asked that their
views might be considered in reference to the question of redundancy. If
the Magistrates were going to refer them back no further word need be
said now on the subject.
The Chief Constable said he received the Magistrates’ instructions at
their preliminary meeting in regard to the question of redundancy. He
had found some considerable difficulty in deciding. It was an
established fact that there were not too many licences in the borough
for the summer trade, for all houses did extremely well during the
period, whether structurally adapted for the purpose or not. One found
that houses the least structurally fitted were doing a better trade.
They found more customers in these pokey houses. He supposed there was a
psychological reason for it. He had had a system since he had been there
of monthly visits and those visits gave him a line on what trade the
houses were doing. He had selected a number of houses and grouped them
into three groups.
The first group included the Mechanics Arms, the Honest Lawyer, and the
Harvey Hotel. He had taken comparative figures for the year and these
figures showed that the Honest Lawyer had an average of 19 customers on
every occasion they were visited; the Harvey Hotel 16, and the Mechanics
Arms six. They made a special series of visits between January 17th and
February 3rd and they found that the Mechanics Arms had an average of
five; the Harvey 10; and the Honest Lawyer 17. They would see from those
figures that the figures were pretty well the same for the whole year.
It would appear superficially that of these three the Mechanics Arms was
the one to go.
He had another group made. It consisted of the Harbour Hotel, the True
Briton, the London and Paris and the Princess Royal. The figures for the
year showed an average of 28.5 for the Harbour Hotel; 17.5 for the True
Briton; 46.5 for the London and Paris; and 7 for the Princess Royal. The
licensee of the Princess Royal had been there for 25 years and in spite
of the figure he had mentioned they seemed to be making a living somehow
or other.
The Chief Constable mentioned a third group which included the
Alexandra, the Royal George' the South Foreland, the Wonder, the
Pavilion Shades, the Chequers, the Wellington, the Royal Oak and the
Lifeboat. The two which were doing the least trade, judged by' his
figures, were the' Wonder with an average of 12 and the Lifeboat with an
average of 14. The others were not doing very much better. It. was
difficult to differentiate in that group. He was prepared to take
directions from the Magistrates, but he was not prepared to give any.
The Magistrates then retired.
The Chairman stated on their return that with reference to Dr. Carlile’s
question, the Bench had decided that later on he (the Chairman) should
renew all the licences with the exception of the Mechanics Arms, the
licence of which the Magistrates had decided not to renew that morning
but refer to the adjourned Sessions to have evidence of redundancy or
otherwise.
Dr. Carlile: That means ho objection can be taken here and now or at any
other place to the four licences involved in the Radnor Street scheme?
The Chairman: I think now is the time for you to raise any objection.
The Clerk pointed out that there would be applications for the removals
of these licences later on and then anyone could be heard.
The Chairman: That will be the better time, then.
Dr. Carlile said it put them at a very serious disadvantage because the
licences would be granted again and there would only be the question of
removal. It meant that when it came to the question of removal of the
licences, it would be the removal of a licence which was already in
being.
The Chairman: I am afraid that that is the position.
The Chairman then announced the renewal of all licences with the
exception of the Mechanics Arms, which he stated would be deferred until
the adjourned sessions.
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Folkestone Herald 9 March 1935.
Council Meeting Extract.
The Health Committee reported that the Town Clerk had been informed by
the owners of the Ship Inn that it was not their intention to re-buiid
the premises. They had asked whether the Corporation would be prepared
to sell to them a piece of land in the area adjoining the existing inn
to be utilised in the event of the owners deciding to re-build at some
future date. The Committee recommended that the owners the Ship Inn be
informed that the Corporation were not prepared to sell to them a piece
of land fur this purpose.
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Folkestone Herald 7 January 1939.
Local News.
The Folkestone Licensing Magistrates on Wednesday granted the transfer
of the licence of the Ship Inn, Folkestone, from Mr. G.W. Prior to his
son, Mr. Albert John Prior.
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Folkestone Herald 15 April 1939.
Local News.
At the Folkestone Police Court on Wednesday, the Magistrates approved
alterations to the Ship Inn, Folkestone.
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Folkestone Herald 8 February 1941.
Local News.
Albert John Prior, of the Ship Inn, The Stade, summoned at the
Folkestone Police Court on Friday last week for having a chimney on
fire, told the Magistrates it was a difficult chimney to sweep. He
attributed the fire to the fact that a quantity of soot had been
dislodged by a bomb explosion recently. The chimney had been swept last
summer.
The Magistrates fined defendant 2s. 6d.
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Folkestone Herald 5 January 1946.
Local News.
On Christmas day the death occurred of Mr. George William Prior, of 6,
Bonsor Road, Folkestone, one of the oldest and best-known licensed
victuallers in the district. He was 80. Mr. Prior was born on a farm at
Preston, near Dumpton Park, Kent, and was only seven when he began work
on a milk round.
He came to Folkestone 51 years ago, and opened a restaurant in Beach
Street. Later he acquired the licence of the Wonder Tavern, which was
demolished by a land mine in 1940. In 1901 he left the Wonder to take
over the licence of the Ship Inn, which he held until 1938, when it was
transferred to his son. Altogether Mr. Prior had been in the licensed
trade for 42 years, and for some years was Chairman of the Folkestone
and District Licensed Victuallers' Association. His hobbies included
gardening and rough shooting. Mr. Prior, who had been a widower for 31
years, leaves two sons and two daughters.
The funeral took place at Folkestone Cemetery, Cheriton Road, last
Friday.
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Folkestone Herald 19 January 1946.
Local News.
Pte. Joseph Henry Dimery (18) pleaded Not Guilty at Folkestone
Magistrates' Court to stealing a doormat, valued 12/-, from the Ship
Inn, The Stade, Folkestone.
Albert J. Prior, licensee of the Ship Inn, said on Friday last after the
premises were closed he found a doormat missing.
P.C. McFazdean said on Friday night he saw several soldiers boarding a
bus. Defendant was carrying a doormat. He questioned Dimitry, who said
“I have been down the Ship Inn in the Fishmarket and when I left I
bought the mat from a bargeman for 3/-“.
Dimery told the court that he was drunk when he bought the mat.
An officer said defendant had a very good character.
Chief Insp. R.J. Butcher said Dimery was fined £5 in 1942 for stealing
cases of corned beef.
The Magistrates fined Dimery 10/-.
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Folkestone Herald 1 May 1948.
Local News.
An inquest was held yesterday afternoon on Albert John Prior, ager 49,
licensee of the Ship Inn, The Stade, Folkestone, who was found dead in
the kitchen of the inn on Tuesday morning. His wife, who had only
returned from a holiday in America a few days before, made the
discovery.
Mr. Prior was a member of the Folkestone L.V. Association and followed
his father as licensee of the Ship Inn before the war.
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Folkestone Herald 8 May 1948.
Local News.
"I am certain the gas had not been turned on deliberately with the idea
of taking his life”, said the Folkestone Coroner (Mr. B.H. Bonniface),
returning a verdict of “Death by misadventure” at an inquest last Friday
on Albert, John Prior, 49, licensee of the Ship Inn, The Stade, who was
found dead in a gas-filled kitchen.
P.C. Seeker said when he saw Prior's body his head was as far away from
the gas stove as it could be; if the man had taken his own life the
position of the body would be extraordinary.
Dr. W.C.P. Barrett said Prior was suffering from a disease of the heart
and it might be possible that he turned on the gas and then collapsed.
George Charles Prior, cellarman, of 27, Stuart Road, Folkestone, said he
last saw his brother about five weeks ago and he told him that Mrs.
Prior was going to America.
Mrs. Dorothy Lilian M. Prior, the widow, said her husband’s health had
not been good for a long time. She had left Folkestone for America on
March 31st, making the trip by air. She went to see her two sisters.
The Coroner: You went with the approval of your husband?
Mrs. Prior: Yes.
The Coroner: I ask that because I understand there have been certain
suggestions down the Fishmarket and I want to clear that up.
Mrs. Prior said she left America on April 22nd and arrived home about 6
p.m. the following day. When she returned her husband said “You have had
your holiday and now I am going to have mine”, and he went off duty in
the ordinary way, not because of his health. On April 27th she rose
later than usual, at about 9.15 a.m., and went to the kitchen. The door
was closed, and on opening it she smelt gas. At the same time she saw
her husband lying across the room, head towards the pantry and right
away from the gas stove. She could not say whether one or two taps of
the gas stove were turned on. The kettle was not on the stove. The oven
door was partly open, but as far as she could remember the oven taps
were not on. Her husband was wearing pyjamas and dressing gown. She
turned the tap or taps off and opened the windows, which were always
closed at night. Her husband had never threatened to take his life and
she knew of no reason why he should; she did not think he did.
The Coroner: Financially, everything is all right?
Mrs. Prior: Definitely.
Dr. W.C.P. Barrett said the deceased had been, a patient of his, and
knowing him for many years he did not think he was a man who would take
his own life. Witness had carried out a post mortem examination and
found there was heart disease, which might have caused deceased to
collapse, especially after getting up early in the morning. Death was
due to asphyxia from carbon monoxide poisoning.
The Coroner: Do you think it might be possible that he turned on the gas
and then collapsed?
Witness: I think it is quite possible.
In your experience have you ever known a person turn on the gas and lie
with their head as far away from the gas stove as possible? - All those
I have seen have always been careful to put their heads in the oven.
The Coroner said having regard to what Dr. Barrett had told him, his own
observation of the room and the position of the body he had no doubt
what his verdict should be in that case. “The verdict I shall record,
and I have no doubt about it, is that deceased died from carbon monoxide
poisoning”, said the Coroner. “There is no evidence to show how the taps
became to be turned on, and I am certain that the gas was not turned on
deliberately with the intention of taking his life”.
The funeral took place at St. Peter's Church on Saturday. The interment
was at Hawkinge.
A member of the Folkestone Licensed Victuallers' Association, Mr. Prior
took over the Ship Inn from his father, who had held the licence for
over 40 years. His premises remained open throughout the war.
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Folkestone Herald 28 August 1948.
Local News.
Alleged to have concealed himself in the Ship Inn, The Stade,
Folkestone, on July 8th, and. stolen £15 from the till, Walter Henry
Todd (29), a labourer, of 11, Invicta Road, Folkestone, was committed
for trial by Folkestone Magistrates on Wednesday.
The accused pleaded guilty to breaking into the premises and stealing
the money.
Mrs. D.L.M. Prior, licensee of the Ship Inn, said she closed the bar at
2.30 p.m. on July 8th, locking and bolting the doors. She left the bar
at 2.45 p.m. after cleaning up, and went upstairs to her private rooms.
She went to the bar again at about 5.55 p.m. and found the till drawer
open. One of the keys of each register had been pushed down to release
the drawer and £15 in notes was missing. The back door of the premises
had been unbolted. Witness said the prisoner, who was a customer had
been in the house that morning.
D/C. Huddart said at 4 p.m. on August 24th he saw Todd detained at
Margate police station. He told the prisoner he was making enquiries
about the theft of £15 from the Ship Inn and that he had reason to
believe he had concealed himself on the premises when the bar was
closed. Todd replied: “I admit that. I have spent the money”.
The accused, who was committed to Folkestone Quarter Sessions to be held
on October 9th, was remanded in custody.
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Folkestone Gazette 7 August 1957.
Local News.
The licensees of three public houses on the Fishmarket – the Oddfellows
Inn, the Ship Inn, and the Jubilee Inn – have placed their premises out
of bounds to all troops at Shorncliffe Camp.
One of the licensees informed the Gazette yesterday that the behaviour
of some troops was so bad that it injured their holiday trade. “People
just walked out when soldiers came in”, stated the licensee. “We have
shown great tolerance and tried to reason with these men, but tolerance
has been interpreted as fear. Therefore, we have had no alternative but
to take the decision we have. We have notified the military authorities
of our decision”.
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Folkestone Herald 10 August 1957.
Local News.
Because they allege continuous bad behaviour by soldiers patronising
their houses, the licensees of three public houses on the Folkestone
fishmarket, at their own request, have had their premises placed out of
bounds to all troops at Shorncliffe Camp. The licensees of the Jubilee
Inn, the Oddfellows Arms and the Ship Inn discussed the position and on
Friday each of them sent a telegram to the Adjutant at Shomcliffe
informing him of their decision. Since the ban was announced, a fourth
licensee, Mr. George Prior, of the Royal George, near the Fishmarket,
has also placed his premises unofficially out of bounds.
Apparently the main trouble has been caused at the Jubilee Inn, where
the landlord is Mr. Donald A. Mayne, who was formerly a Second Officer
in the Merchant Navy. He has been at the house for three years. His
wife, Mrs. Mary Mayne, told the Herald this week that the trouble had
been caused by troops of a certain regiment who arrived back from Malaya
about three months ago. “They are so badly behaved, brawling, fighting
and shouting”, she said. “If we try to reason with them all they say is
“You ought to have been where we have been”, and don't take any notice.
Many times we have sent for the Military Police to deal with them. We
have told them time and time again that if they do not behave themselves
we would put the premises out of bounds. They just turn round and tell
us we can't turn them away because they spend too much money here”, said
Mrs. Mayne. “The fact is that we are losing money because when the
troops come in, the holidaymakers walk out rather than sit and listen to
continuous shouting and singing. Even our regulars have been keeping
away from the premises”. Mrs. Mayne said the houses had to make their
money at this time of year from the visitors, but their holiday trade
had been greatly affected. She said there was a noticeable improvement
in trade following the ban. “We have talked and talked, and tried to
reason with these men, but it has only been interpreted as fear. They
have been in Folkestone for some time and we have stood it long enough.
We have got to put our foot down. We do not like this action, but we
have been forced into it. We realise that the good ones must suffer
because of the bad. We do not condemn them all by any manner of means”,
she stated.
The other two licensees, Mrs. D. Bentley, who has been in charge of the
Ship Inn for 25 years, and Mr. George Skinner, of the Oddfellows Arms,
said they had not experienced any real trouble from troops, but they had
heard them shouting and singing outside. Mr. Skinner and Mrs. Bentley
decided to combine with Mr. Mayne and place their premises out of
bounds. They said “We have got to do the same thing and stick together.
We do not want to catch the overflow if only one of us bans the troops”.
A notice “Out of bounds to troops” is displayed on the doors of the
three houses.
On Wednesday morning an officer from the Camp interviewed the licensees
and took down details of alleged incidents of fighting and smashing
glasses in the Fishmarket during the past few months.
Asked for his views, Major R. Smith, Garrison Adjutant, Shorncliffe,
agreed there had been a little touble with one of the regiments on the
Camp; he was doing his best to find out what it was all about. “As far
as I can make out there has been some shouting, but there are no civil
charges pending against any troops at Shorncliffe Camp”, he said. Major
Smith said if the licensees wished to put their premises out of bounds
it might possibly be a good thing. There had been complaints, but it was
always difficult to trace specific instances. On Saturday night, he
said, they had heard that troops were rioting in the town, but when
patrols were sent out to investigate the matter they found absolutely
nothing.
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Folkestone Herald 12 July 1958.
Local News.
Two men, told by the landlord of a public house in Folkestone Fishmarket
to leave the premises, thought they would have their revenge by emptying
a drum of diesel oil they found outside the premises. But the oil
belonged to a ship's chandler and had been left on the quayside for the
crew of a fishing boat putting to sea early the next morning.
Stanley Beck (42) and John Gordon Farnell (28), both of no fixed
address, pleaded Guilty at Folkestone Magistrates' Court on Tuesday to
stealing the oil, belonging to Mr. W.T.B. Saunders. Beck was fined £5
and Parnell £2.
Mr. T.H. Jones, prosecuting, said apparently Beck and Farnell had been
told by the landlord of the Ship Inn to leave the premises. They thought
they would have their revenge by pouring the oil over the wall of the
public house. They were seen by the manager of the Ship Inn and when he
shouted the two men ran off. They were later found at the back of
premises in Marine Parade. Farnell told P.C. Lower “We have had a few
drinks. What has it got to do with you?” Told they would be arrested,
Beck replied “It will be a good night's kip”. Farnell said “I took the
drum of oil away because the landlord told us to get outside”.
Beck denied to the Magistrates that he touched the oil and offered to
make restitution of 7/4, its value.
“It was drink that made me do it”, said Farnell. “I am willing to pay
the cost”.
Chief Inspector L.A. Hadlow said Farnell had a good character, but Beck
had eight previous convictions.
Both men were allowed 14 days to pay the fines, with 14 days'
imprisonment in default.
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Folkestone Gazette 13 February 1963.
Local News.
Permits under the Betting and Gaming Act for amusements with prizes have
been granted to the Martello Hotel, True Briton, Ship Inn, East Cliff
Tavern, Raglan Hotel, Royal Pavilion Bars, Railway Tavern, and Royal
Standard.
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Folkestone Herald 20 September 1969.
Local News.
After 21 years as licensee of the Ship Inn, The Stade, the longest
serving member of Folkestone Women's Auxiliary, Mrs. “Blossom” Bentley,
will retire on Monday.
Mrs. Bentley, who is retiring on doctor's advice, will take a special
holiday to celebrate her retirement. She will go to America to visit two
of her 13 surviving brothers and sisters. Mrs. Bentley will arrive in
America in time to see the marriage of her niece, Miss Margaret
Hamfland, in October. After three weeks she hopes to return to
Folkestone and search for a flat.
The licence of the Ship has been in the family for 68 years. It was
first held by her father in 1901, and was later passed to her first
husband, Mr. Albert Prior. On his death 21 years ago Mrs. Bentley took
over the licence. The only time she has closed the Ship was during the
war when police evacuated people from the harbour area - and when she
ran out of beer.
Even though she is retiring from the trade she will keep in touch with
her friends and remain active in the auxiliary of which she is a life
member.
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Folkestone Herald 15 May 1971.
Local News.
When 1,400 continentals visit Folkestone next Thursday the doors of
local pubs will be open to them all afternoon. On Tuesday local
Magistrates decided in favour of a second application to allow 17 pubs
to remain open especially for the visitors. They had vetoed a previous
application. The second made by publicans was amended to allow for a
half-hour break at 5.30 p.m. before their premises opened for the
evening session.
Mr. J. Medlicott, for the publicans, told the Magistrates that the
visitors were delegates attending a conference in Bruges. One of its
highlights was to be a visit to England. He referred to a letter
received by Folkestone Corporation from the British Tourist Authority
supporting the publicans' application. The visit – by Dutch, Swiss,
Belgians and Germans – was a special occasion, not just a shopping
expedition, said Mr. Medlicott. It had been arranged by a Bruges tourist
organisation which had particularly asked that pubs should be open in
the afternoon.
Police Inspector R. Sanders made no formal objection to the application
– but doubted whether the visit was a special occasion.
The Chairman of Folkestone Chamber of Trade, Mr. Alan Stephenson, said
later “The cross-Channel visitors' committee of this Chamber is very
pleased that this has been seen as a special occasion by the Justices.
When one is reminded that this extension is no more than happens in many
market towns every week of the year, it seems a fair request, especially
as Folkestone’s image abroad could be much influenced by the original
decision not to allow the pubs to open”.
The pubs which will stay open are; Jubilee, Ship, Oddfellows, Royal
George, London and Paris, True Briton, Harbour Inn, Princess Royal,
Clarendon, Brewery Tap, Earl Grey, Prince Albert, George, Globe, East
Kent Arms, Guildhall and Shakespeare.
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Folkestone Herald 22 July 1988.
Local News.
Bed and breakfast took on a new meaning for a drunken visitor to
Folkestone at the weekend. James McKenzie, 54, from Wakefield, fell
asleep in the loo after an evening drinking session at the Ship Inn, in
The Stade, last Friday. And when he woke up in the early hours of
Saturday morning he found himself in a boozer's paradise – a bar empty
of customers but full of drinks!
Owner of the Ship, Stan Dawkins, said “When the man was found in the
morning he could hardly walk – he had to be carried out. I didn't notice
the man when I checked the gents' toilets – he was in one of the
cubicles. We've never had anything like this before and everyone has
been having a laugh about it”.
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From the Adscene, 14 November, 2002.
HENGIST CREW GET BACK TOGETHER FOR TV SHOW.
Above shows the crew with presenter Julie Peasgood.
THE crew of former Folkestone ferry the Hengist have been re-united
for the first time since the ship stopped running from the harbour.
Ten members of crew led by captain Sid Bridgewater hooked up at the
"Ship Inn" at Folkestone harbour where they were being filmed for a new
television series.
The Hengist and its sister ship the Horsa plied the Channel routes
from Folkestone and Dover to France and Belgium. Party of your Life,
presented by Julie Peasgood will air on Meridian from Thursday November
7 at 7.30pm.
The Folkestone show focuses on the great storm in 1987 when the crew
were at sea. The order in which the seven-show series will run has yet
to be confirmed.
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LICENSEE LIST
TIDDYMAN
Elizabeth 1717+
SMITH
John 1734+
BROWN
Edward 1741+ Ex Blue Anchor
MANTELL
Reginald 1765-68
TREVELLION
Joseph 1768- 72 (Also "Crown" 1765-71)
TREVELLION
Elizabeth 1772-93
GREGGS
John 1793-94
EASTWICK John 1794-22
SMITH Jane 1822-25+
LOTT William 1825-30+
KNIGHT Richard 1830-35
PHILPOTT John 1835-45+
PHILPOTT Elizabeth 1841 (age 25 in 1841)
HALL James
to Aug/1845
HARRISON John Aug/1845+
DAVIS Thomas 1845-50+
HALL Harriet 1850-63
(age 43 in 1861)
PAGE
Charles 1863-66+
BATES
George 1866-70+
POPE
John ???? ???? (SE Gazette 4 July 1876 John Pope at Queen's Head
“formerly of Ship Inn”)
MAY Richard 1870-84
WARMAN George 1884-94
GRIGG John 1894-98
PAY Richard 1898-1901+ (age 51 in 1901)
From Wonder Tavern
PRIOR George William 1901-39
PRIOR
Albert 1939-48
BENTLEY
Dorothy 1948-69
DAWKINS
Stanley 1969-91
MITCHELL
Alan 1991-92
WHITTLE
Philip & Patricia 1992-94
DARLING
Walter & FOREMAN Andrew 1994-96 Also Oddfellows Arms 1995
MALONE
Alan & HUSSEY Margaret 1996-99
HOLLIS
Gillian Hollis & ROBERTS Keith 1999-2000
HOLLIS
Gillian & ELKINGTON Melanie 2000-04+
???? Alison (Manageress) ????
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