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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1669-

Queen's Arms

Latest 1859

(Name to)

Northgate

Canterbury

From the burial register of St Margaret's in Canterbury.

5th April 1669 "John May a servt at the "Qeenes Armes" buried"

 

Kentish Gazette, 9 January 1844.

DEATHS.

Jan 4, Charlotte, eldest daughter of Mr. G Rye, landlord of the "Queen's Arms" public-house, Northgate, Canterbury.

 

From the Kentish Gazette, 15 July 1845.

COURT OF BANKRUPTCY — SATURDAY, July 12.

(Before Mr. Commissioner Goulburn)

RE RYE, AN INSOLVENT.

The insolvent, George Rye, of the "Queen's Arms" public-house, Northgate-street, Canterbury, publican, tailor, and licensed to let post horses, applied for his interim order and protection.

Mr. Sturgeon, the barrister, supported the Insolvent, and Mr. Buchanan, Solicitor to the London Commercial Association for the opposition of Fraudulent Bankrupts and Insolvents, 73, Basinghall street, opposed on behalf of Mr. Gibbs and other creditors.

Mr. Sturgeon said he had an objection to raise in limine ("at the threshold,") referring to a motion before a trial begins. A motion to suppress illegally-obtained evidence is such a motion) to Mr. Buchanan being heard. A Society, called the London Commercial Association for the opposition of Fraudulent Bankrupts and Insolvents, had been formed, and as soon as a person filed his schedule in this court, a copy was obtained, and every creditor written to, stating that upon forwarding a post office order for 1 1s. the Association would oppose the Insolvent, including the charges for counsel, solicitor, &c. (a laugh). He contended that Mr. Buchanan had no locus standi, (the right or capacity to bring an action or to appear in a court,) inasmuch as Messrs. Constable and Van Boren, the Secretaries of the Association, were the parties who had been retained to oppose by the creditors, and as they were not solicitors, Mr. Buchanan could not be heard as their agent. The learned counsel also complained that the Association were in the habit of publishing a list of persons who went through the court as fraudulent insolvents.

Mr. Buchanan handed in the written instructions to oppose the insolvent from the creditors for whom he appeared, and remarked that the Association had already been the means of obtaining some thousands of pounds for creditors.

The learned Commissioner said, Mr. Buchanan need not trouble himself to reply. He saw nothing unlawful in the Association, nor did he think this Court, if so inclined, had the power to prevent tradesmen co-operating together for the protection of their own interests. Bankers had their association for the prevention of forgeries; and there were many societies — such as the Animals' Friend Society, the Anti Slavery Society, and the Society for the Protection of the Public Morals — in existence which had not a charter. In this instance, a body of gentlemen, probably thinking their interests were not sufficiently watched, and that there was an apathy on the part of the public to the stale of the law between debtor and creditor, associated together for the purpose of doing that collectively which they could not effect individually. The legislature had, on the previous night only, sanctioned a measure dispensing with the oath of a bankrupt and his wife; and in these days, when it was the fashion to withdraw all protection from creditors, he thought the objects of the Society extremely laudable. The learned Commissioner then directed the opposition to proceed.
Mr. Buchanan said he had three grounds of opposition to the insolvent's application — first, his making away with his property; secondly, contracting debts without reasonable prospect of payment; and thirdly, he believed he should be able to show the schedule was defective.

The insolvent was then sworn, and in the course of a severe cross-examination he said that he dealt with five brewers at the same time for goods, and four distillers; he did not tell them that he owed the others debts, nor that he had paid 1,500 purchase money for his house. In March last he sold a cart and a pony, and afterwards gave six separate orders for goods to various tradesmen. He had not misled Mr. Gibbs, as he was always inducing him to deal with him, and frequently stood pots of ale, &c. for him to do so. He had not filed the licenses of his public-house with the official assignee of the Court, because they had nearly run out. His house was near the barracks, and he depended chiefly upon the army. He told Mr. Gibbs, when he ordered the goods of him, that he was indebted to other brewers and distillers, upon which he said he did not mind that, as the business would improve when the soldiers returned to Canterbury. He would swear that was true.

The learned Commissioner said he should adjourn the case for the attendance of Mr. Gibbs, as he was to blame for inducing the insolvent to get into debt, or the insolvent had sworn to that which was false.

The further consideration of the case was then adjourned to the 26th instant, the insolvent's debts are 221 0s. 3 3/4d.

 

From the Kentish Gazette, 12 September 1848.

GENERAL LICENSING DAY.

Thursday being the annual licensing day of victuallers, in Canterbury, the magistrates were occupied some time in making the necessary preparations, and they granted licenses to a hundred and twenty-seven persons; four others being absent, will have theirs at a future sitting. The licenses taken from W. Cullen, "Queen’s Arms"; W. Hunt, "Three Grenadiers," Military-road; George Roberts, "Queen's Head," Northgate; and R. Walpole, "Roebuck," Northgate were restored; and the application made by J. B. Allen for a license of the "Golden Cross," Northgate was granted.

 

Kentish Gazette, 10 September 1850.

On the annual licensing day (Thursday last) our city magistrates suspended the following licenses:-

"Military Tavern," King Street;

"Eight Bells," King Street;

"Duke of York," Riding Gate;

"Kentish Arms," Jewry Lane;

"Eagle," Whitehorse Lane;

"Golden Cross," Northgate;

"Queen's Head," Northgate;

"City of London," Tower Street;

"Duke's Head," Wincheap;

"True Briton," Northgate;

"Royal George," Northgate;

"Queen's Arms," Northgate; and

"Three Grenadiers," Military Road.

 

Kentish Gazette, 24 September 1850.

At the adjourned petty sessions for licensing public houses on Thursday, those licences which have been suspended excepting for for the "Eight Bells," King Street,

"Queen's Head," and

"Queen's Arms," Northgate, we're granted; as also were a few of the cases of parties who were not in attendance on the regular licensing day.

 

From a report to the Mayor and Magistrates in Guildhall on 17th April 1859.

"Sergeant Ells reports that he found the following number of Prostitutes at the following public houses and beer-shops yesterday morning:

"Queen's Arms," Northgate, 1.

 

Only found from the above passage regarding prostitutes on the premises. Unfortunately no other information has been found at present.

Latest research found on the "Poem of Canterbury" notes say that the pub changed name to the "Jolly Gardener's" around about 1867. My research says the "Jolly Gardener's" was there in 1858.

 

LICENSEE LIST

RYE G Mr 1844-45

CULLEN William 1848-58+ Melville's 1858

https://pubwiki.co.uk/QueensArms.shtml

 

Melville's 1858From Melville's Directory 1858

 

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